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Doesn't matter who started it or not, and while I don't discredit Hall at all, the entire Atlanta bench shares blame in this as well. You see Hall being physically pulled into the melee by the ATL Coaching staff. Whether he's talking shit or not, whether he started it or not and whether he's a punk or not, that is totally unacceptable. The Falcons lost their cool period.

Mike Smith's beef should have been with Landry, who got up after the hit and trotted back to the huddle. Instead, he lost his cool and took it out on the completely wrong person.

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Shut up and play D. Hall!

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[quote=Mattyk72;622652]I think Hall might have a legit gripe about what went on there. Smith and the strength coach had no business getting involved like that.[/quote]

Hall had no right to be on the Falcons sideline, not after Ryan AND Landry walked off the sideline together before the melee started.

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[quote=skinsfan69;622767]I fully applaud Mike Smith. [B]He saw his QB get hit late and he wanted a piece of someone[/B]. I have no problem with that. Guys talk shit on the field all the time....there was some pushing and shoving and some f bombs. Big deal. It's football, not golf. My problem is why was Hall even involved? As usual he didn't hit anyone. Like a lil' bitch he walked over there looking for trouble AFTER the hit. His non tackling ass should've walked back to the huddle.[/quote]

a coach should never want a piece of someone and def should never put hands on a player.

this seems like that GB coach and warren sapp years ago when sapp blindsided chad clifton and teh GB coach tried talkin smack to sapp after the game. a coach needs to be held to a higher standard.

go for AH to step in there a move that pile back.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;622825]Shut up and play D. Hall![/quote]

Hate to break it to you, but that's never going to happen, there's a reason the Falcons AND Raiders, let me repeat that the RAIDERS washed their hands of that problem.

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[quote=FalconsFan;622834]Hall had no right to be on the Falcons sideline, not after Ryan AND Landry walked off the sideline together before the melee started.[/quote]

Dude give me a break, let's not act like the Falcon's sideline acted like a bunch of choir boys.

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[quote=firstdown;622799]I like when AH comes running in the whole pile of At. players went backwards. The more I watch the clip the more I see the coaches grabbing Hall and hall is not grabbing them. I always thought that as a coach you pull back your players not grab one from the other team.[/quote]

Is that why Hall kept pushing his way back into the mass of players and coaches?

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[quote=Mattyk72;622838]Dude give me a break, let's not act like the Falcon's sideline acted like a bunch of choir boys.[/quote]

They didn't they acted like a punk walked onto THEIR sideline and started to talk shit. I realize you all only have a few games worth of the DHall knowledge to work with, but defending him will only make you second guess yourself later on. There's a reason even the RAIDERS didn't want him on their team.. he's a punk.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;622821]Doesn't matter who started it or not, and while I don't discredit Hall at all, the entire Atlanta bench shares blame in this as well. You see Hall being physically pulled into the melee by the ATL Coaching staff. Whether he's talking shit or not, whether he started it or not and whether he's a punk or not, that is totally unacceptable. The Falcons lost their cool period.

[B]Mike Smith's beef should have been with Landry, who got up after the hit and trotted back to the huddle. Instead, he lost his cool and took it out on the completely wrong person[/B].[/quote]

If you watch the video with your eyes open you'll see that the Landry issue was completely separate from what happened with Hall. Coach Smith defended his players and sideline, the Falcons are not to be messed with. It's really too bad that Hall got his feelings hurt when he was traded to the Raiders but he had no reason to step a foot onto the Falcons sideline.

I just wonder how some of you would be reacting if the situation was reversed. Frankly I love that Smith stands up for his players, maybe if the Skins had any heart they'd do the same. How long exactly did it take for any players to come to Halls aide?

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It's funny how the same cast of characters will shred anything that certain players (Hall, Thomas, Portis, Haynesworth, Campbell) do or say REGARDLESS OF THE EVIDENCE! There's a great breakdown done on the DC Sports Bog ([url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/inside_the_sideline_melee.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Inside the DeAngelo Hall sideline melee[/url]) that neither implicates nor absolves Hall of wrongdoing but clearly shows that at WORST it's 50/50. If Rogers had done the same exact thing, or even worse, would there be the same outcry? How about McIntosh? Don't give me 'well they wouldn't do something like that anyways' BS either. Some of you guys have such agendas it removes all credibility from your opinions.

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MIKE SILVER, YAHOO! SPORTS:

“Is [Hall] experiencing problems with the imaginary friend who lives in his helmet? That’s my theory after he capped a ridiculous week by starting a bunch of drama on the Falcons’ sidelines in his team’s 31-17 defeat at the Georgia Dome on Sunday, then had the gall to whine that Atlanta coach Mike Smith had “put his hands on me in a harmful way.” Cue the violins. I’ve repeatedly watched the video of the incident, which began after Redskins safety LaRon Landry put a late hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan on the Atlanta sideline, and I’m having a really hard time believing that Hall’s planned complaint to the NFL about Smith will be met by anything but laughter. … The opposing sideline is off-limits; even Landry had the good sense to leave after his cheap shot on Ryan. Hall made a point of coming over and getting involved, and then he acted surprised that former teammates and others wanted him gone.”

DON BANKS, SPORTS ILLUSTRATED:

“And speaking of brainless, how transparent was it of Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall to go over and mix it up on the Atlanta sideline after Washington safety LaRon Landry got flagged for a late out of bounds hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan? … Hall, the ex-Falcon who left Atlanta for Oakland in 2008 with bruised feelings intact, wound up pretty much tussling with Falcons head coach Mike Smith, who’s never afraid to mix it up. And here I thought it was Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff that Hall had a grudge against, given his pointed comments of last week.”

CHRIS NEEDHAM: NBCWASHINGTON.COM

“[B]How low was yesterday’s loss? We found out that even the Falcons’ coach is tougher than the Redskins[/B]. … DeAngelo Hall, the Skins cornerback, is afraid of the Falcons’ 50-year-old silver-haired head coach, Mike Smith. Smith, Hall alleges, roughed him up on the sideline during a skirmish and said a bad word to him. A bad word!”

BARRY SVRLUGA, WASHINGTON POST

“[Hall] has a penchant for drama, and though there were more costly plays in the Redskins’ 31-17 loss to the Falcons, none better typified Washington’s utter loss of self-control than Hall’s mix-up with the Atlanta coaching staff and players.”



Seems like very few are still in denial about who Hall really is.

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[quote=FalconsFan;622839]Is that why Hall kept pushing his way back into the mass of players and coaches?[/quote]
Watch the video they grabbed him and pulled him around. I'm not defending him I'm just saying what I saw and when it looked like he was leaving the coach then grabed him.

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[quote=FalconsFan;622844]If you watch the video with your eyes open you'll see that the Landry issue was completely separate from what happened with Hall. [B]Coach Smith defended his players and sideline, the Falcons are not to be messed with.[/B] It's really too bad that Hall got his feelings hurt when he was traded to the Raiders but he had no reason to step a foot onto the Falcons sideline.

I just wonder how some of you would be reacting if the situation was reversed. Frankly I love that Smith stands up for his players, maybe if the Skins had any heart they'd do the same. How long exactly did it take for any players to come to Halls aide?[/quote]

Yeah, real tough guy stepping in with a 24-1 advantage. :rolleyes:

Were there not enough verbs being properly conjugated on the Falcons boards that you felt the need to come hang out over here after a win?

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[quote=FalconsFan;622839]Is that why Hall kept pushing his way back into the mass of players and coaches?[/quote]

look at the video, Hall was pulled in by one of your coaches and your players surrounded him. Hall jawed and made remarks, certainly stupid, but one of your coaches actually grabbed his jersey and pulled him further into your sideline.

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[quote=Paintrain;622849]Yeah, real tough guy stepping in with a 24-1 advantage. :rolleyes:

Were there not enough verbs being properly conjugated on the Falcons boards that you felt the need to come hang out over here after a win?[/quote]


...and you're defending Hall's actions why? :goodjob:

I like to debate with you all.. some of you are so delusional that you're sticking up for Hall.. that's always good for a laugh. At least some of you are bright enough to see Hall for what he is. (Love the Title of this thread)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;622853]look at the video, Hall was pulled in by one of your coaches and your players surrounded him. Hall jawed and made remarks, certainly stupid, but one of your coaches actually grabbed his jersey and pulled him further into your sideline.[/quote]

If that's what you want to believe.. I saw it live and on video replay.. Hall is a punk and he instigated the entire mess.

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Bottom line the coach is wrong for getting into it rather Hall was wrong or right wtf your professional athletes people see you on tv if Im in the office of the NFL i'm suspending both of them. .

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[quote=FalconsFan;622861]If that's what you want to believe.. I saw it live and on video replay.. Hall is a punk and he instigated the entire mess.[/quote]

So you came on a Redskins board to tell us Hall is a punk?

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Fact of the matter is, no one is defending Hall going over there and jawing it up. It was childish. My question is why is a Falcons fan defending 2 of his coach's equally inappropriate actions? A coach grabbing an opposing player's jersey is stupid, and a coach giving an opposing player an elbow to the face is equally stupid. (Watch the video in this thread somewhere around 16 seconds has a good view of the scene- focus on your HC Hall and the ref next to Hall try and ignore the rest while you watch, the ref turns away, and your HC purposely throws the elbow)

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[quote=FalconsFan;622861]If that's what you want to believe.. I saw it live and on video replay.. Hall is a punk and he instigated the entire mess.[/quote]

Yep everything you say is correct. Unfortunately we have some fans that think cause the skins paid him big money that he is some kind of superstar. I can't wait till they play Oakland and he tries that shit on their sideline. [B]Tom "Jawbreaker, Womanbeater" Cable[/B] will kick his ass.

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[quote=FalconsFan;622861]If that's what you want to believe.. I saw it live and on video replay.. Hall is a punk and he instigated the entire mess.[/quote]

ok he instigated it. let's say I agree, does that justify two of your coaches making very bad decisions. I saw it live and on the video in this thread also. yay

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It is never ok for a coach to put his hand on a player (esp that of an opposing team), just like it is never ok for anyone to put their hands on a referee. Imagine if the situation was reversed and hall had pushed Smith or one of the members of the ATL coaching staff. You can bet your bottom dollar that Goodell would be handing out an unprecedented suspension to whoever that player may be, much less D. Hall.

This issue has nothing to do with the player and coach in the scenario, the reputation of either party, or the circumstances surrounding the incident (unless someone genuinely felt that another person's long term health or life was at stake, neither of which was the case). This is a plain black and white issue, no gray area.

It almost reminds me of the NBA's bench rule. No matter what the issue or profile of the player, if they leave the bench for any reason during a fight, it's an automatic 1-game suspension. I think football should institute a similar rule involving player-coach interactions.

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[quote=FalconsFan;622859]...and you're defending Hall's actions why? :goodjob:

I like to debate with you all.. some of you are so delusional that you're sticking up for Hall.. that's always good for a laugh. At least some of you are bright enough to see Hall for what he is. (Love the Title of this thread)[/quote]

Not specifically defending his actions per say but simply saying that it wasn't as one sided as some fans with agendas try to paint it.

I was in Atlanta for Hall's first 2 years so the revisionist history and short memories of Falcons' fans is pretty funny to me.

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[quote=pg86;622863]Bottom line the coach is wrong for getting into it rather Hall was wrong or right wtf your professional athletes people see you on tv if Im in the office of the NFL i'm suspending both of them. .[/quote]

That's silly, you're not suspending someone who didn't throw a punch.

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[quote=Paintrain;622845]It's funny how the same cast of characters will shred anything that certain players (Hall, Thomas, Portis, Haynesworth, Campbell) do or say REGARDLESS OF THE EVIDENCE! There's a great breakdown done on the DC Sports Bog ([url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/inside_the_sideline_melee.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Inside the DeAngelo Hall sideline melee[/url]) that neither implicates nor absolves Hall of wrongdoing but clearly shows that at WORST it's 50/50. If Rogers had done the same exact thing, or even worse, would there be the same outcry? How about McIntosh? Don't give me 'well they wouldn't do something like that anyways' BS either. Some of you guys have such agendas it removes all credibility from your opinions.[/quote]

Not to be forgotten, this write-up was pretty damn funny too.

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Another mature thread title. :doh::Flush:

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First of all everyone is so eager to say that it's The Skins' fault. Be real now, that situation didn't even have to be that bad. Hall 1 guy was there. A whole team including their coach that was upset for the late hit. Not one time do you see Mike Smith pulling his players away rather grabbing a player and yelling. You see other Falcons players going over to the 1 player that was there. Once Redskins players come to pull Hall away you still have the players and said coach keeping it going, not trying to calm the situation down but adding fuel to the fire. Then Haynesworth comes over and shoves the people back away from the now 2-3 players attempting to back up and he's a knucklehead ? Get the fuck out of here. If that was a Falcons player and the Redskins bench was over there with them you all would be bitching and moaning about how the Skisna acted like a bunch of jackasses. Call it the same way you would if it were the other way around. Everyone did what they would do to "protect" their teams. Let it go man. If you can blast Haynesworth for doing what he did then I don't know what you expect them to do.

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Frankly, I was pleased that (finally) some of the Redskins players came over as backup. When it was just Hall and no one came over, I was just disgusted. It reminded me of the time Jeff George got dragged across the field in Dallas near the end of one of our more embarrassing losses, and no one did anything. (And I never even liked Jeff George.) But if someone is dogging one of your mates, you go after them at the risk of a penalty, it seems to me.

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I'm happy that the fight broke out. It sparked the game.

I have absolutely no problems with what the Redskins did. What it did do is justify (in my mind) why I think that ATL has zero class.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622868]Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconsFan
If that's what you want to believe.. I saw it live and on video replay.. Hall is a punk and he instigated the entire mess.

Yep everything you say is correct. Unfortunately we have some fans that think cause the skins paid him big money that he is some kind of superstar. I can't wait till they play Oakland and he tries that shit on their sideline. [B]Tom "Jawbreaker, Womanbeater" Cable[/B] will kick his ass.[/quote]

Dude you're siding with another team's fan against your own team? Turn in your card.

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[quote=Ruhskins;622914]Dude you're siding with another team's fan against your own team? Turn in your card.[/quote]

He's an agenda fan. Certain players are good and always right. Others suck and are always wrong. Don't waste your time.

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[quote=Paintrain;622916]He's an agenda fan. Certain players are good and always right. Others suck and are always wrong. Don't waste your time.[/quote]

No shit. I mean damn, if you f'ing hate a player on "your" team that much, why even bother.

Anyway, I hope the league looks into this situation.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/zorn-expects-league-to-look-in.html]Redskins Insider - Zorn expects league to look into Hall-Smith incident[/url]

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bottom line. if the falcons would have lost, would falconsfan be here? quit trolling

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Its really sad to see DeAngelo surrounded by the entire Falcon team and not one player from the defense comes over to help him or come to his defense. Just goes to show how f-ed up our locker room is.

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[quote=Ruhskins;622914]Dude you're siding with another team's fan against your own team? Turn in your card.[/quote]

I guess you can't accept the truth about DH, I said nothing against the Redskins. I guess you just can't find anything else but to make me look bad since I disagree with you. I guess most of writers of the articles about what happened must be wrong and you are right?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622969]I guess you can't accept the truth about DH, I said nothing against the Redskins. I guess you just can't find anything else but to make me look bad since I disagree with you. I guess most of writers of the articles about what happened must be wrong and you are right?[/quote]

I already posted this once but [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/inside_the_sideline_melee.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Inside the DeAngelo Hall sideline melee[/url] here it is again. I hadn't seen anything resembling this level of a breakdown in an article, have you? If so, can you post it? If anyone will side AGAINST the Skins it's Steinberg and the Post and they clearly didn't.

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[quote=Redskins_P;622938]Its really sad to see DeAngelo surrounded by the entire Falcon team and not one player from the defense comes over to help him or come to his defense. Just goes to show how f-ed up our locker room is.[/quote]

It looked to me like other Redskins were not aware of the situation. As soon as they were aware, Tryon, AH, and others came over to help.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;622969]I guess you can't accept the truth about DH, I said nothing against the Redskins. I guess you just can't find anything else but to make me look bad since I disagree with you. I guess most of writers of the articles about what happened must be wrong and you are right?[/quote]

Hey, you're the one that's making yourself look bad.

When I saw the whole D. Hall thing, I was pissed off initially b/c I thought he had gone to the sideline to cause trouble (well initially I was pissed off more about Landry). But it wasn't all him, the ATL bench and their coaches did their part. Now you will never care about that nor any of the facts, you just have your blind opinion about the guy. So be it, but don't be upset when people call you out. Need I remind you that you were the person that bitched about Hall because (if memory serves me right) he tried to make a play and "would not just fall on the ball" after he picked off a pass.

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[quote=firstdown;622643]Actually Landry was running out of their sidelines as Hall was running in and Landry had to go back and try to get Hall out.

[/quote]
lookin at this again, watchin d hall specifically, he was already on teh falcons sideline when landry was getting up. hall goes over to landry, hall and a falcons player exchange words, then the falcons HC among others get behind hall so he is surrounded with no way off teh sideline.

hall was stupid but he did not go over to the sideline after the play to talk ish b/c he was already there then the ish talkin started.

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[quote=Lotus;622992]It looked to me like other Redskins were not aware of the situation. As soon as they were aware, Tryon, AH, and others came over to help.[/quote]

yeah i agree with this. its just a hunch until some other skins players are asked but with the play being alll the way over on the falcons sideline im guessin it wasnt that the skins players didnt want to catch d hall's back but that they didnt know a shoving match was breaking out with a 20 on 1 status.

im sure a skins player or two will comment on what thye saw or thought was happening.