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[quote=Paintrain;622902]Tackling technique, no. Taking bad angles, yes. Do you not get this? If he's closer to the line of scrimmage, it vastly reduces the angle to the ball he has to take. If he's closer to the ball, he can arrive quicker. If he's closer to the ball, there's less chance of him being one on one with a ball carrier. It really is simple, how do you not understand this?[/quote]

No I do get it. Fine..he takes bad angles cause he's out of position. I'll give him that. But the missed tackles are just pathetic. Have some pride about your job, have some courage and man up. If you get run over then so be it. But make the effort. I'd rather have Reed in there at SS. He's not the athlete that Landry is but he's always in position and he's a MUCH better tackler.

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Bust? I would say no.

Disappoint? Yes. This defensive scheme makes him the last line of defense. He must be more disciplined with his tackling. He always seems to be going for the Sports Center hit. I think Landry is trying too hard to make the big play. Landry. Orakpo and Haynesworth seem like they really care and can't stomach losing and are going overboard. But it has resulted in mistakes that has hurt the team.

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[quote=The Goat;622897]Landry was playing close to the LOS on Turner's second TD run and had a clear shot to make the tackle. He didn't try for the "big hit." He didn't try to wrap up. HE DOVE AT THE TURF TO AVOID CONTACT. Please, please stop w/ this nonsense that Landry is always going for the lights out hit but just can't find his mark. He's avoiding direct. He fails at the two things he's supposed to do: [B]stopping the big play (air or ground)[/B], and punishing anyone who gets into his territory.

...sometimes I feel like we're all watching different games. How the hell does anyone not see Landry avoiding contact? There are dozens of no-name safeties in the league who take every opportunity to lay the would and punish the opponent. They play fierce and fiery defense and when they punish their prey they just look to do it again. Landry isn't even in the same realm. Name me one play this season where Landry put the hurt on someone and got a reaction from the announcers or made you hold your breath?[/quote]

I agree w/you on everything unless you're saying he fails at stopping big pass plays, which he does. How many deep balls have been completed on the skins the last couple years? The Desean Jackson td was on Horton's side in what looked like a cover 2.

He is avoiding contact though, which is the opposite of his scouting report out of Lsu as a safety that plays the run well.

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[quote=skinsfan69;622947]No I do get it. Fine..he takes bad angles cause he's out of position. I'll give him that. But the missed tackles are just pathetic. Have some pride about your job, have some courage and man up. If you get run over then so be it. But make the effort. I'd rather have Reed in there at SS. He's not the athlete that Landry is but he's always in position and he's a MUCH better tackler.[/quote]

I agree completely about his tackling, it's been awful for 2 years now. He's more concerned about not getting trucked than making a good tackle. Even his play behind the line of scrimmage yesterday was a borderline horse-collar. I'd love to see him come up, break down and make a solid fundamental tackle but then again, outside of Fletcher, Orakpo and McIntosh nobody on our defense does that!

Reed is just a guy. Nothing special, he's a good 3rd safety but that's about all.

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This just in from Redskins Park:

Laron Landry was so upset after they arrived back at the park last night about the scuffle in Atlanta that he got in his Hummer and attempted to drive back to Atlanta to confront Head coach mike smith. He was pulled over in Pennsylvania this morning for speeding.

I guess Laron is staying true to himself he took the wrong angle to get to Atlanta and ended up in Pennsylvania trying to deliver a late hit

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[quote=mredskins;623049]This just in from Redskins Park:

Laron Landry was so upset after they arrived back at the park last night about the scuffle in Atlanta that he got in his Hummer and attempted to drive back to Atlanta to confront Head coach mike smith. He was pulled over in Pennsylvania this morning for speeding.

I guess Laron is staying true to himself he took the wrong angle to get to Atlanta and ended up in Pennsylvania trying to deliver a late hit[/quote]

I hope you didn't spend much time thinking that one up.

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[quote=mredskins;623049]This just in from Redskins Park:

Laron Landry was so upset after they arrived back at the park last night about the scuffle in Atlanta that he got in his Hummer and attempted to drive back to Atlanta to confront Head coach mike smith. He was pulled over in Pennsylvania this morning for speeding.

I guess Laron is staying true to himself he took the wrong angle to get to Atlanta and ended up in Pennsylvania trying to deliver a late hit[/quote]

This just in:

Lame jokes suck.

Carry on now.

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[quote=Paintrain;622968]I agree completely about his tackling, it's been awful for 2 years now. He's more concerned about not getting trucked than making a good tackle. Even his play behind the line of scrimmage yesterday was a borderline horse-collar. I'd love to see him come up, break down and make a solid fundamental tackle but then again, outside of Fletcher, Orakpo and McIntosh nobody on our defense does that!

[B]Reed is just a guy. Nothing special, he's a good 3rd safety but that's about all.[/quote][/B]

I agree but watch the guy tackle. He's fundamentally sound and he always gets the guy down.

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[quote=skinsfan69;623062][/b]

I agree but watch the guy tackle. He's fundamentally sound and he always gets the guy down.[/quote]Reed has been our best safety by a wide margin this year. He is without question the surest tackler in our secondary.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;622585]Yes, Landry needs to return to SS. We didn't draft him to play FS. But apparently some of our fans do.[/quote]

Agreed. I just hope people aren't saying in a yr or two that Orakpo needs to be cut cause he has not panned out at SLB. Landry was drafted to be the SS where he was in college. Due to ST's murder Landry was moved to FS cause he was the best we had at the time. At this point I would put him back at SS and move a CB maybe even smoot to FS. I know I'll get ripped for the Smoot comment but Smoot is getting old and can't keep up with the young guys running down the field, but if he had to sit down field and simply move to the side the ball is coming to he might not be too bad. Other wise find someone with some speed and tackling ability for FS.

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landry is not a bust...yet, he needs one more year if he doesn't produce next year no matter if he is at fs or ss i will consider him a bust considering where we drafted him and who else was available, if we would have drafted him say 20th this conversation wouldn't be going on right now

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[quote=SBXVII;623071]Agreed.[B] I just hope people aren't saying in a yr or two that Orakpo needs to be cut cause he has not panned out at SLB.[/B] Landry was drafted to be the SS where he was in college. Due to ST's murder Landry was moved to FS cause he was the best we had at the time. At this point I would put him back at SS and move a CB maybe even smoot to FS. I know I'll get ripped for the Smoot comment but Smoot is getting old and can't keep up with the young guys running down the field, but if he had to sit down field and simply move to the side the ball is coming to he might not be too bad. Other wise find someone with some speed and tackling ability for FS.[/quote]I'm on record saying that I HATE Blache's use of Orakpo. The guy is a D-lineman, plain and simple. It reminds me of Dallas trying to make Randy White a MLB coming out of Maryland. That didn't work out well until he was moved to his natural DT and went on to a HOF career.

Also for the record, I want Kareem Moore to get more playing time at FS, allowing Laron to play SS.

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[quote=SBXVII;623071]Agreed. I just hope people aren't saying in a yr or two that Orakpo needs to be cut cause he has not panned out at SLB. [B]Landry was drafted to be the SS where he was in college.[/B] Due to ST's murder Landry was moved to FS cause he was the best we had at the time. At this point I would put him back at SS and move a CB maybe even smoot to FS. I know I'll get ripped for the Smoot comment but Smoot is getting old and can't keep up with the young guys running down the field, but if he had to sit down field and simply move to the side the ball is coming to he might not be too bad. Other wise find someone with some speed and tackling ability for FS.[/quote]

You always incorrectly say he was a SS at LSU. That is wrong.
According to LSU web sight (link below) and his college Bio LaRon Landry was a FS in college at LSU.
In his freshmen year he had 10 starts, his first career LSU start at CB. Then his second career start was at SS. Then for the final 8 games of his freshmen year he was [B]starting FS[/B] . [B]He remained the starter at FS for the remaining 3 years (Soph, jr. and sr. years). [/B]
[url=http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27812&SPID=2164&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=174956&Q_SEASON=2006]LaRon Landry Bio - LSUsports.net - The Official Web Site of LSU Tigers Athletics[/url]

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the difference between ss and fs is not night and day it's not de to lb or lb to cb, being drafted that high he shold be a good enough talent to play either

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[quote=mlmdub130;623088]the difference between ss and fs is not night and day it's not de to lb or lb to cb, being drafted that high he shold be a good enough talent to play either[/quote]

Exactly. Why are we parsing the differences between the positions. I would argue for where we drafted this bum, he should be able to play either position. At the end of the day Landry is a football player. Football players, especially ones getting paid as much as Landry is, should know how to tackle. That's not asking too much of first round pick who plays in the National Football League. It just isn't

There are some quarterbacks I've seen tackle better in the open field than this guy.

As an aside, boy does this team makes me cranky.

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[quote=Defensewins;623082]You always incorrectly say he was a SS at LSU. That is wrong.
According to LSU web sight (link below) and his college Bio LaRon Landry was a FS in college at LSU.
In his freshmen year he had 10 starts, his first career LSU start at CB. Then his second career start was at SS. Then for the final 8 games of his freshmen year he was [B]starting FS[/B] . [B]He remained the starter at FS for the remaining 3 years (Soph, jr. and sr. years). [/B]
[URL="http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27812&SPID=2164&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=174956&Q_SEASON=2006"]LaRon Landry Bio - LSUsports.net - The Official Web Site of LSU Tigers Athletics[/URL][/quote]

Thank you for the correction. I have failed to go look at his college status and will admit this time around simply acted like a sheep when having seen other speaking about his play at FS and that he should be a SS. But I will say I thought the Skins hired him to be their SS cause they already had ST at FS. Landry was moved after ST's death to FS cause he was the best player we had for the position.

He has not lived up to the FS position. If he's not late getting to help cover the WR, he's failing to use fundamental tackling. Again I will get blasted for saying he should be a SS when he has terrible tackling skills, but I think he does better at the line of scrimage where Doughty does well. We need someone who has the speed to get from sideline to sideline and plays to actually hit someone.

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[quote=12thMan;623119]Exactly. Why are we parsing the differences between the positions. I would argue for where we drafted this bum,[B] he should be able to play either position.[/B] At the end of the day Landry is a football player. Football players, especially ones getting paid as much as Landry is, should know how to tackle. That's not asking too much of first round pick who plays in the National Football League. It just isn't

There are some quarterbacks I've seen tackle better in the open field than this guy.

As an aside, boy does this team makes me cranky.[/quote]

I would argue that ST was an exception to the rules and had the speed to cover sideline to sideline and the size and weight behind him to hit like a LB. Landry is the size of most safeties, but does not have the speed to keep up with some #1 WR's out there. Watching him try to take down RB or WR's is basically watching him throw his body in the general direction and hope he hits something or slows it down. His tackling actually reminds me of how Smoot plays the CB position. They might make the tackle half the time the other half the opponant either side steps the tackle or leaps over them.

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There's actually some big differences between the safety spots. To think there's not is a little naive.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that playing out of position for Landry is hurting him and perhaps it's time to move him back and admit he's not cut out for FS.

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[quote=mlmdub130;623088]the difference between ss and fs is not night and day it's not de to lb or lb to cb, being drafted that high he shold be a good enough talent to play either[/quote]

I would agree with you if we played alot of 2 deep safety defenses.
But, we don't we play mostly single deep FS with the SS in the box.(Cover 1 & Cover 3)
In these defenses the FS role is sideline to sideline.
That's why we play the FS so far back.

[quote=SBXVII;623184].....but does not have the speed to keep up with some #1 WR's out there. Watching him try to take down RB or WR's is basically watching him throw his body in the general direction and hope he hits something or slows it down. His tackling actually reminds me of how Smoot plays the CB position. They might make the tackle half the time the other half the opponant either side steps the tackle or leaps over them.[/quote]

Speed ain't the issue with LaRon (he's faster then most teams no.1 WR)and i don't have a problem with his coverage.
I agree 100% with your Smoot comparison when it comes to tackling.
Landry takes too many bad angles then lunges himself at the ball carrier making no real attempt to wrap them up, almost like a lame body check.

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[quote=Mattyk72;623187]There's actually some big differences between the safety spots. To think there's not is a little naive.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that playing out of position for Landry is hurting him and perhaps it's time to move him back and admit he's not cut out for FS.[/quote]

there are differences but they are not huge all depends on the package

and like defensewins said this is his position he played it his whole college career

like i said he isn't a bust... yet give him one more year, he was 6th overall, being that high in the draft by your 4th year you need to put up or shut up

and side note if he crosses his arms after making a tackle that he should make, i would bench him, he misses way too many tackles, then he thinks he is the shit when he make a routine play, i don't think so

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[quote=mlmdub130;623199]there are differences but they are not huge all depends on the package

and like defensewins said this is his position he played it his whole college career

like i said he isn't a bust... yet [B]give him one more year[/B], he was 6th overall, being that high in the draft by your 4th year you need to put up or shut up

and side note if he crosses his arms after making a tackle that he should make, i would bench him, he misses way too many tackles, then he thinks he is the shit when he make a routine play, i don't think so[/quote]

I agree. He is our best safety by far. Who are you going to start in his place? Kareem Moore or Doughty? They were average in college.
The Redskins are the #1 defense in pass yardage allowed per game allowed 159.9 yards per game. Say what you want about his tackling and run support. In the pass game he is doing his job.
Mr. Landry is the leader of our secondary. His issues in the run game are easily correctable.
Safety can be a lot like Offensive lineman, in that if you do not hear his name they are playing well in the passing game. QB's throw away from good FS, so you might not hear their name in defending the pass. A tipped pass or an over thrown pass for a pick is when you usually hear the name of a good FS in the passing game. Right now the few good players we have are trying too hard because the are frustrated with our constant losing. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. We have very few of the good young ones. He can come back from this.
Who on this squad is playing lights out right now?

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I just want to say that Ithink that Landry is no where near as bad as this thread makes him out to be but at the same time he is nowhere near the top tier at his position. If I had to regrade the 2007 draft I'd say Landry should have been a second round pick.

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I agree with OP/The Goat. I saw those missed tackles and they weren't even close. The only time I usually remember his name for doing something in a game is for a missed tackle or a late hit.

I haven't given up on him yet, but the people who say he's still great are usually the ones who say that Campbell can still be our franchise QB. Both are possible - but after a couple of years -- hope is merely hope and you really want some action.

I hope he pans out.

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[quote=ethat001;623242]I agree with OP/The Goat. I saw those missed tackles and they weren't even close. The only time I usually remember his name for doing something in a game is for a missed tackle or a late hit.

I haven't given up on him yet, but the people who say he's still great are usually the ones who say that Campbell can still be our franchise QB. Both are possible - but after a couple of years -- hope is merely hope and you really want some action.

I hope he pans out.[/quote]

CAMPBELL R IZ DA fRAnchize QD 4 GRATE JUST1Ce. 17 runs batted in purr game

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[quote=Defensewins;623215]I agree. He is our best safety by far. Who are you going to start in his place? Kareem Moore or Doughty? They were average in college.
The Redskins are the #1 defense in pass yardage allowed per game allowed 159.9 yards per game. Say what you want about his tackling and run support. In the pass game he is doing his job.
Mr. Landry is the leader of our secondary. His issues in the run game are easily correctable.
Safety can be a lot like Offensive lineman, in that if you do not hear his name they are playing well in the passing game. QB's throw away from good FS, so you might not hear their name in defending the pass. A tipped pass or an over thrown pass for a pick is when you usually hear the name of a good FS in the passing game. Right now the few good players we have are trying too hard because the are frustrated with our constant losing. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. We have very few of the good young ones. He can come back from this.
Who on this squad is playing lights out right now?[/quote]

i'm not saying get rid of him by any means, for a top ten to be a bust doesn't mean he can't play and be a starter, it just means we could have used the pick a little better, but you could say that about more than one of our picks

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Could have had Peterson or Willis instead.

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[quote=RedskinMike;623609]Could have had Peterson or Willis instead.[/quote]

LOL!
I wish I was little bit taller,
I wish I was a baller,
I wish I had a girl who looked good, I would call her
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat
and a six four Impala

We could of had Tom Brady and Randy Moss and ......

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At least the issue is being addressed within Redskins Park:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Landry_Talks_Tackling_77345.jsp]News & Notes: Landry Talks Tackling[/url]

Gray's comment here says it all:

"I think LaRon is going to be a lot better," Gray said. "The thing you have to do is take a better angle. [B]LaRon is not going to shy away from contact.[/B] We have to keep understanding to use the the old wrapping technique when a guy gets into open space. Just get him down."

I'm no psychiatrist but that sure sounds like "Landry has been avoiding contact...it's not going to continue."

But it's a little scary too. Aside from being a liability to your defense, the guy who shy's away from contact always seemed the most likely to get hurt out there. Landry has basically missed contact altogether when the impact could really hurt i.e. flailing his body 3 feet wide of the ball-carrier or simply diving to the turf as he did on Turner's 2nd TD. But if he does it "half-way" the next time, making contact but w/ lousy technique I think that's a real dangerous situation for the scared kid.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;623244]CAMPBELL R IZ DA fRAnchize QD 4 GRATE JUST1Ce. 17 runs batted in purr game[/quote]

come again?

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LaRon Landry needs to be moved to SS where he can be closer to the LOS. He is a better suited for blitzing and tackling near the LOS. He would be a monster near the LOS were he could use his speed and physical ablity. I bet he would cause some FF if he played closer to the LOS. We need to put Kareem Moore at FS.

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Can I just bump this thread so I can complain about how Landry feels the need to stroke his own ego after every tackle he makes? I mean come on, if you pound some WR coming across the middle, okay cool. Thats worth celebrating. But if you just tackle a RB who got a 6 yard gain and you feel the need to celebrate over that?

Is something wrong with Landry in the head or...? If anyone watches Ravens games does his brother do that BS? I get the feeling he doesn't...

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[quote=DynamiteRave;629200]Can I just bump this thread so I can complain about how Landry feels the need to stroke his own ego after every tackle he makes? I mean come on, if you pound some WR coming across the middle, okay cool. Thats worth celebrating. But if you just tackle a RB who got a 6 yard gain and you feel the need to celebrate over that?

Is something wrong with Landry in the head or...? If anyone watches Ravens games does his brother do that BS? I get the feeling he doesn't...[/quote]Laron has A LOT of maturing to do. I'll concede that this was one of his better games, but after the big hit on Roy Williams, he went out of his way to step over Williams, who was still down on the field, then crossed his arms and mugged for the audience. That to me is dangerously close to taunting, and could have sustained a Dallas drive. Unfortunately Landry will be flagged in a key moment for this type of BS until he starts to get it. I don't recall #21 feeling the need to mug for the crowd after blowing up a receiver. Steve Jackson needs to step up and tell Landry to knock that shit out of his whole act.

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[quote=Defensewins;623616]LOL!
I wish I was little bit taller,
I wish I was a baller,
I wish I had a girl who looked good, I would call her
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat
and a six four Impala

We could of had Tom Brady and Randy Moss and ......[/quote]
And what , the suspense is killing me :) We have next year .... I would say it will be better than '09 ?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;629200]Can I just bump this thread so I can complain about how Landry feels the need to stroke his own ego after every tackle he makes? I mean come on, if you pound some WR coming across the middle, okay cool. Thats worth celebrating. But if you just tackle a RB who got a 6 yard gain and you feel the need to celebrate over that?

Is something wrong with Landry in the head or...? [B]If anyone watches Ravens games does his brother do that BS? I get the feeling he doesn't...[/B][/quote]

Yea his brother does it as well but not to Laron's extent. Ray Lewis is the only player that does it as much as dirty 30.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;629200]Can I just bump this thread so I can complain about how Landry feels the need to stroke his own ego after every tackle he makes? I mean come on, if you pound some WR coming across the middle, okay cool. Thats worth celebrating. But if you just tackle a RB who got a 6 yard gain and you feel the need to celebrate over that?

Is something wrong with Landry in the head or...? If anyone watches Ravens games does his brother do that BS? I get the feeling he doesn't...[/quote]

I'm getting tired of Moss and El doing it too. I could have sworn I saw El jumping up and down after another fair catch

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[quote=SouperMeister;629216]Laron has A LOT of maturing to do. I'll concede that this was one of his better games, but after the big hit on Roy Williams, he went out of his way to step over Williams, who was still down on the field, then crossed his arms and mugged for the audience. [B]That to me is dangerously close to taunting, and could have sustained a Dallas drive. Unfortunately Landry will be flagged in a key moment for this type of BS until he starts to get it. I don't recall #21 feeling the need to mug for the crowd after blowing up a receiver. Steve Jackson needs to step up and tell Landry to knock that shit out of his whole act.[/B][/quote]

It's another case of a player simply doing what he's supposed to do, nothing spectacular but just routine football, and then act like it was game-changing or something.

Sadly we have a few too many these types on the roster. Landry IMO is the worst though. I've never seen him make a play that most of the safeties in the league couldn't. What I have seen is a lot of truly piss-poor plays that would have gotten most safeties benched i.e. avoiding contact like the plague, horrible cheap shots that cost the team dearly, etc etc. Landry's an embarrassment because of his play part of the time and because of his behavior all the time...I hate the fact he plays on my team.

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Landry did play very well for the most part today though.

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I like how after making a routine tackle Landry dances and celebrates like he just made the game winning tackle in the super bowl...

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[quote=Zorny;629330]I like how after making a routine tackle Landry dances and celebrates like he just made the game winning tackle in the super bowl...[/quote]

can't stand it either

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[quote=DynamiteRave;629200]Can I just bump this thread so I can complain about how Landry feels the need to stroke his own ego after every tackle he makes? I mean come on, if you pound some WR coming across the middle, okay cool. Thats worth celebrating. But if you just tackle a RB who got a 6 yard gain and you feel the need to celebrate over that?

Is something wrong with Landry in the head or...? If anyone watches Ravens games does his brother do that BS? I get the feeling he doesn't...[/quote]
Yeah he didn't even really get that tackle yet he was still spouting off... and no I haven't seen his brother go that crazy with it.