Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I'm disappointed in Rogers at this point. First off with his play and second with his attitude.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

As much as I despise Rogers for what he said, couldn't you make the argument that it speaks a little to the inability of the coaching to kind of correct his mindset, its not like he is a new player...him more than anyone has been ingrained in the Redskins culture for a while and if he has an attitude like that, Zorn/Blache have failed miserably in instilling the right kind of attitude in him.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;626014]As much as I despise Rogers for what he said, couldn't you make the argument that it speaks a little to the inability of the coaching to kind of correct his mindset, its not like he is a new player...him more than anyone has been ingrained in the Redskins culture for a while and if he has an attitude like that, Zorn/Blache have failed miserably in instilling the right kind of attitude in him.[/quote]

I dunno man, attitude comes from within. It's not something that someone else can ingrain in you, especially as an adult.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I think he is frustrated with how things are going as a redskin. But still, he is one of our most talented CBs, and I am not gonna forget how he has shutdown other receivers in the past.

I think this has gotta be the biggest worry for us going into next week. A CB corp of Smoot and Hall has got to have Romo licking his chops.

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[quote=GTripp0012;625822]Keep in mind: when Hall is beaten badly one on one vs a TE on the Giants with safety help over the top, it's a bad scheme. When Rogers is beaten one on one by the No. 1 WR for the Denver Broncos on a double move with no safety help, it's classic underachieving.

Noted: that you can't expect to play winning defense without taking risks that require Rogers to look competent in these situations. Rogers got pwned. A good coordinator might chew him out on the sideline, but would certainly take the blame for the call post game. Blache is no one's image of a good coordinator. Just another guy on this team collecting a paycheck.[/quote]

I think that even though Hall is a soft bitch who won't hit anyone, he does seem to make some INT's, he's the best playmaker we have in the secondary so he gets the benefit of the doubt. Rogers gets beat and drops easy Ints so he doesn't. So I don't know why you continue to blame Blache. Actually doesn't he defer to the secondary coaches??? so maybe it is his position coach who is actually benching him, which would be Grey. Did you ever think of that??

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=The Goat;625809]Rogers strikes me as somethin as a headcase, though one could argue the way he's been coached could be the reason I guess. That said he's not a shutdown corner against the top WR in football, which sucks because it we don't have anyone else to fill that role either. The other big thing about Rogers is his horrible ball skills, so he can't be a big play type of corner. I REALLY doubt there will be much of a market for him. He'll go somewhere next year but it won't be an impressive contract.

Totally agree w/ GTripp: Blache is a crap coach. There's no reason IMO he should still have a job because his group is definitely not playing up its potential and he's not returning anyway. Fire him and give the best position coach a shot to see what we might have going for next year.[/quote]
Well then please explain why our D is 1st against the pass

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

i think ill take a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2011 over Rogers and be happy.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Carlos would say, "After this game he don't play no more."

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Hopefully our new GM can convince another team to give up a 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft for Los. That would be ideal!

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

First, our D is best against pass because the majority of teams we have played are crap.

I promise you that number will be getting worst as get to the meat of our schedule. Philly made our Pass D look terrible, and Denver(a bad vertical passing team) burnt us with the deep ball.

Dallas is gonna try this several times.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Rogers is a cancer. He has mentally checked out on this season and is counting the days until free agency. I wouldn't be suprised if he wasn't blowing coverages on purpose to blow the season, he seems to have serious personal issues with the front office.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

See I was thinking he may be stinking up on purpose, but that just doesn't make sense. If he really wants out and he wants to get paid by another team, why suck on purpose? That just decreases his value and desirability.

It just doesn't make sense; I think he is just having a bad stretch.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

He's only hurting his own value if he was tanking on purpose. Besides, there's no guarantee he's a FA after this season if the CBA falls through.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=hooskins;626171]See I was thinking he may be stinking up on purpose, but that just doesn't make sense. If he really wants out and he wants to get paid by another team, why suck on purpose? That just decreases his value and desirability.

It just doesn't make sense; I think he is just having a bad stretch.[/quote]

I don't think he's intentionally tanking it, I think he's a quitter. That would be a bigger red flag for me as a potential employer than poor performance in a contract year because of scheme or technique.

He got benched yesterday NOT for biting on the double move but for completely giving up on the play and jogging while the ball was in the air. That was more pathetic than falling for the move. CB get beat all the time but how they react is what coaches look at.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I would say that also, but it's like Lavar paying to leave. As long as he see's the field, he'll get paid. If he has a decent year here he would run the risk of us signing his tender. He can go to Atlanta or where ever and have a big year elsewhere then renegotiate.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Yeah I guess, but I haven't seen him quitting on a regular basis before that. I am not too concerned. I am, however, concerned about how our secondary looks without 'Los next week.

A brick wall, is an upgrade over Smoot.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=firstdown;626071]Well then please explain why our D is 1st against the pass[/quote]

Great post. Losing the way have this season can create a mob mentality against certain players. Last week it was Landry, this week it is Rogers. It is so easy to hate your DB's. When they make a mistake the results is usually a TD or something costly. All DB's will eventually get beat. There is no such thing a "shut down corner". It is impossible.
Not to say that some of the complaints on Rogers like attitude, no hands and not living up to expectations are legitimate. These things are true to varying degrees. But he is a very serviceable corner and while he drops many potential interceptions and gets beat on occasion, the guy is a better than average corner. I think the anger and hate on this thread is a bit over the top.
I hate to see another hole created in our lineup that will need to be filled, just because he is unpopular. He have other needs, lets not create another.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;625782]Did he attend the "Emmit Smith Learn Speak English Academy"? Heck, I'd say Emmit sounds like he has PHD when compared to Los.[/quote]
Earl Campbell an instructor there?

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=Mattyk72;626174]He's only hurting his own value if he was tanking on purpose. Besides, there's no guarantee he's a FA after this season if the CBA falls through.[/quote]

Yup. If the CBA falls through, he is screwed. The skins could give him either a 1st or 2nd round tender and that's it for him. I don't think any team would give up there 1st to sign him and doubt that many would give up their 2nd. If any team wants him at that price, let him go. If not, Hall and Barnes are the starters and Rogers is the nickel.

I am with GTripp, however, it seems when Rogers screws up Blache throws him under the bus. When Hall screws up, Blache can't kiss up fast enough.

Not a big Blache supporter these days as, I believe, he is responsible for the fact that our defense has players whose strengths do not mesh well with each other (e.g. D Hall, C Rogers). The defense does not seem creative and Blache seems truly unconcerned with manufacturing pressure. To me this defense is underperforming - with its personnel, it should have been dominant against Det., KC & the rest of the 0'fers. It flashed but did not play consistently.

I think Blache needs to go and would be happy to seem him replaced by a G. Williams guy (Jackson, Gray).

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;626222]Yup. If the CBA falls through, he is screwed. The skins could give him either a 1st or 2nd round tender and that's it for him. I don't think any team would give up there 1st to sign him and doubt that many would give up their 2nd. If any team wants him at that price, let him go. If not, Hall and Barnes are the starters and Rogers is the nickel.

I am with GTripp, however, it seems when Rogers screws up Blache throws him under the bus. When Hall screws up, Blache can't kiss up fast enough.

Not a big Blache supporter these days as, I believe, he is responsible for the fact that our defense has players whose strengths do not mesh well with each other (e.g. D Hall, C Rogers). The defense does not seem creative and Blache seems truly unconcerned with manufacturing pressure. To me this defense is underperforming - with its personnel, it should have been dominant against Det., KC & the rest of the 0'fers. It flashed but did not play consistently.

[B]I think Blache needs to go [/B]and would be happy to seem him replaced by a G. Williams guy (Jackson, Gray).[/quote]

That would be a good thing.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=firstdown;626071]Well then please explain why our D is 1st against the pass[/quote]Bulger, Stafford, Johnson, Delhomme, and Cassel. Did I miss anyone?

Actually, you could add Orton to that list of craptacular QBs, but he threw for so many yards that we're actually not first, second, or third against the pass anymore. Actually, it turns out that we don't even bother to cover receivers going down the field anymore.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Let him sign with the Cowboys. Then next year, Santana Moss can put a double move on his ass.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Rogers is a mystery to me this year. I understand that he doesn't want to be here, fine. But this is a contract year and he is killing himself if he is looking for a big deal. He should be having his BEST year not one of his worst. Plus my understanding is under an uncapped year (which seems likely), we can retain him for an additional year for relatively cheap. I have told people that I think he is tanking it but he is killing his value. He may think that he is a good player stuck in a bad franchise but I think that an outsider might say that our defense has been good in spite of his poor play.

If I were the Redskins going into the offseason, I would restrict him and trade him for the highest draft pick just to show him who is really calling the shots. Now typically we don't do this but I certainly wouldn't reward him with a long term deal or reward his poor play and bad behavior by cutting him outright.

For a corner who cannot catch the ball, I think he is overplaying his hand.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I dunno if he gotta a future here neither? For real, I don't never eben think bout him not haven no future here. What college gave him a diploma, Auburn? Is that a trade school?

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

"I ain't even going to think about no future here."

You're not that good fool....don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you can take Hall with you that would be awesome.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=saden1;626298]"I ain't even going to think about no future here."

You're not that good fool....don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you can take Hall with you that would be awesome.[/quote]

I dissagree with you about Hall for all the mistakes Hall has made he is still tied for 4rth in the league in interceptions. He does what we paid him to do which is make plays when we need him too. He doesn't make great tackles, but neither did Deion in his prime.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=saden1;626298]"I ain't even going to think about no future here."

You're not that good fool....don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you can take Hall with you that would be awesome.[/quote]

I don't disagree with your conclusion, but if one takes what he said literally, considering that it has a double negative, the actual words mean he does expect a future here. (Now, I am sure that isn't at all what he meant, and, let's face it, he's not splitting atoms in his spare time. But it is what he said.)

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=hooskins;626187]Yeah I guess, but I haven't seen him quitting on a regular basis before that. I am not too concerned. I am, however, concerned about how our secondary looks without 'Los next week.

A brick wall, is an upgrade over Smoot.[/quote]

He quit last year vs. Cincy and against Philly when he gave his reps to Smoot.. [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/carlos-rogers-possibly-on-the.html]Redskins Insider - Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out[/url]
[quote=Redskins Insider]Rogers said he played only nine snaps against Cincinnati a few weeks back, [B][I]with him deferring to fourth corner Fred Smoot on many snaps. "I said Smoot, 'You can take some of these reps.'"[/I][/B][/quote]

Seriously, what NFL player that is serious about his game GIVES REPS to another player? If that's not a quitter, I don't know what is.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I have one problem with Carlos.

If you were to ask him right now if he has a problem catching the damn ball he seems like he would say "No".

He has the worst hands for a skill player I have ever seen in all my years of watching football.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Let him and his "I would've been a Pro Bowler if..." attitude go somewhere else. He can cover unless he get's hit with a double move. If he could catch then he would've gotten a deal before Hall got here but he can't that's why him and the other bum from Auburn will be gone. They have a bunch of if's and hopefully next years going for them.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

Rogers is a weak link with cinder blocks for hands, I don't think he could catch a cold. He is a liability that is useless and clueless. Yes, he certainly has that Auburn size brain.

They have found a nice place to park his ass until seasons end. Oh, just on the bench not paying attention.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

His grammar sucks, cut him

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I don't know how you leave a guy with pretty average open field cover skills on an island against one of the top 5 WR's in the league and then act surprised when he gets smoked. But if this performance and his subsequent whiny tirade put the nail in the coffin of his Redskins tenure I think that's a good thing. Someone is going offer him Nate Clements money, or at least Dangelo Hall money, and I'm glad it won't be us.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=firstdown;626071]Well then please explain why our D is 1st against the pass[/quote]

because weve had the easiest schedule of all time.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

gtripp, let me ask you something. i value your posts. very informative, and insightful. but whats up with the personal vendetta against Hall? here's my take on him. not very good in man coverage. but... he MAKES PLAYS. that's the name of the game in the NFL. you put enough play makers on both sides of the ball, and ill give you a super bowl contender. sometimes your hatred towards him clouds your credibility

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=firstdown;626071]Well then please explain why our D is 1st against the pass[/quote]

because turner hit us up for 170 last week and they didn't have to pass, los is a bum, and a bust, just a shame we won't get dick for him if he is benched the rest of the season

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=hooskins;626037]I think he is frustrated with how things are going as a redskin. But still, he is one of our most talented CBs, and I am not gonna forget how he has shutdown other receivers in the past.

I think this has gotta be the biggest worry for us going into next week. A CB corp of Smoot and Hall has got to have Romo licking his chops.[/quote]

I'd be frustrated too if i was a shutdown corner who couldnt catch balls or actually shutdown receivers. It's been a horrible season but a couple of pick 6's could have really changed some games.

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[quote=skinster;626405]because weve had the easiest schedule of all time.[/quote]

I think this point has been lost on a lot of us, we had such a cupcake schedule. Such a waste...

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[quote=dmek25;626408]gtripp, let me ask you something. i value your posts. very informative, and insightful. but whats up with the personal vendetta against Hall? here's my take on him. not very good in man coverage. but... he MAKES PLAYS. that's the name of the game in the NFL. you put enough play makers on both sides of the ball, and ill give you a super bowl contender. sometimes your hatred towards him clouds your credibility[/quote]He doesn't ever really make a play though, as much as plays seem to come to him. When he's up against a bad opponent, Hall's technique of severe trail coverage means he's in position to take really ill-advised throws by the quarterback and turn them into big defensive plays. That's something.

Problem with that is that it inherently relies on mistakes by the opponent to become big plays by the defense. If you're going to be a winning team, you shouldn't be in close games against teams that employ Josh Johnson, and Jake Delhomme (and Chris Simms). The fact that the Redskins were is in no way Hall's fault, but any quarterback worth his salt just takes advantage of Hall's complete lack of route recognition ability.

Look at the [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HallDe99/gamelog/"]opponents on his interceptions[/URL] (26 career).

His aggragate numbers are mediocre, but he has astounding splits between great passing offenses and weak ones. That just suggests that he'll make the plays that come to him, but he's not a playmaker. And that's not worth tens of millions of dollars.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

i don't believe he is worth that kind of money. but on a team that struggles to create turn overs, you take them any way you can. and Rogers cant even make the ones he is handed. and with McNabb, Hassleback, Brees, and both Manning's on your list, im not sure of your point