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[quote=mlmdub130;630620]tonight on news4 rogers said "i wish he was still here... or with me"

sounds like gray is definitely gone

and kinds sounds like rogers is saying he his gone too, espesically the way he said it, smirking and laughing[/quote]

Wish I could view that clip, they don't have it online that you know of do they?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;630638]Man I was hoping that he could take over the defense next year. I have posted this numerous times that the reason why the defense is so successful, because the defense we run is Williams defense with a few Blache wrinkles. The structure stability on defense allows them to add players and lose players and continues to be a top ten defense. I wish we could keep the defense the way they are next year.[/quote]

What so we can have more ten yard cushions for the DBs? I don't think so. As Bang said on the other board, I will gladly drive him to airport to see those 10 yards cushions vanish.

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He's not taking the job. Will post a link shortly

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4695641]Memphis Tigers coaching search: Washington Redskins assistant Jerry Gray says he's not next coach - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;631000][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4695641"]Memphis Tigers coaching search: Washington Redskins assistant Jerry Gray says he's not next coach - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Could it be...could it be he's staying and...umm...being considered for head coach? I think he has to at least interview for it.

This is going off topic a bit, but I wonder if any former and/or current black head coaches got in Gray's ear about staying on board and throwing his name in the hat to become the Skins first black head coach?

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Even if Gray is considered, it would be a sly PR move fron Snyder. I think this is a move a lot of local fans would support. If it happens.

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[quote=SmootSmack;631000][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4695641]Memphis Tigers coaching search: Washington Redskins assistant Jerry Gray says he's not next coach - ESPN[/url][/quote]

It may be their loss and our gain. I would like to see what he could do as HC but I'd rather see what he could do as our DC first if he gets the chance.

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[quote=53Fan;631003]It may be their loss and our gain. I would like to see what he could do as HC but I'd rather see what he could do as our DC first if he gets the chance.[/quote]

I would prefer that, as well..

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[quote=mcarey032;630966]What so we can have more ten yard cushions for the DBs? I don't think so. As Bang said on the other board, I will gladly drive him to airport to see those 10 yards cushions vanish.[/quote]

That's on Blache not on Gray he is in control of the defense and he can easily make that adjustment at anytime. So i guess that is what he wants.

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Who hires a HC with no experience of calling plays? Oh wait......

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[quote=12thMan;631002]Even if Gray is considered, it would be a sly PR move fron Snyder. I think this is a move a lot of local fans would support. If it happens.[/quote]

Hiring Gray would not be a popular move with the fan base unless they first hired a GM who then chose Gray. Snyderatto firing Zorn and replacing him with Gray is just more of the same.

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[quote=celts32;631023]Hiring Gray would not be a popular move with the fan base unless they first hired a GM who then chose Gray. Snyderatto firing Zorn and replacing him with Gray is just more of the same.[/quote]

Of course all things being equal. Correct, hiring Gray in and of itself won't rally the fans, but if Snyder makes the additional changes I think it would be well received locally if not nationally.

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[quote=celts32;631023]Hiring Gray would not be a popular move with the fan base unless they first hired a GM who then chose Gray. Snyderatto firing Zorn and replacing him with Gray is just more of the same.[/quote]

Let me see what if I got what others are saying is correct, we take someone who does not have any Co-ordinator quality background or HCing experience and make him a HC. Sorry I don't see DS making the same mistake twice. He might get the DC job with whoever we bring in as HC.

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[quote=SBXVII;631031]Let me see what if I got what others are saying is correct, we take someone who [B]does not have any Co-ordinator quality background[/B] or HCing experience and make him a HC. Sorry I don't see DS making the same mistake twice. He might get the DC job with whoever we bring in as HC.[/quote]

he was the DC for Buffalo from 2001-2005

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I hope DS brings in a GM ( Holmgren) and let him pick the coach he thinks can get Redskin Nation back to winning NFC Tittles. I could see if Holmgren is hired as GM Sherman Lewis stays as OC and Zorn could stay to 1 more year. If Zorn still can not get this team over the hump than maybe Gruden comes next season. I think Vinny will be given a new title but Holmgren will be calling the shots. This will allow the defense coaches to stay together for at least another year as well. I think Zorn can turn the team around with the right GM picking the right personal for the W/C offense. Who knows the W/C offense better than Holmgren? The Redskins have to allow the young players to get use to 1 scheme instead of trying to learn a new offense all over again this will set them back once again just when they(DT,Davis,Kelly,Mitchell) are getting use to the W/C system why change it now. We need brains at the top lets go after Holmgren.

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[quote=Big C;631033]he was the DC for Buffalo from 2001-2005[/quote]

Forgot sorry. But again how was the defense when he was there? Hopefully he has learned something while working with GW and Blache.

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[quote=SBXVII;631366]Forgot sorry. But again how was the defense when he was there? Hopefully he has learned something while working with GW and Blache.[/quote]


wiki says they were good.

"Gray served as the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills from 2001 to 2005, where he oversaw one of the top defenses in the NFL until his final season."

and from redskins.com

"While with Buffalo in 2005, Gray directed a Bills defense that battled multiple injuries. The unit finished 29th in the league in total defense.

In 2004, Gray led a defense that finished second in the NFL in total defense and top five in the NFL in touchdowns allowed (29), yards allowed per game (264.2), passing yards allowed per game (164.0), sacks registered (45) and led the league with 39 turnovers forced.

He orchestrated a major defensive turnaround in 2003 when his defense finished the year ranked second in the NFL in total defense (second against the pass, eighth against the run). His defense also ranked fifth overall in points allowed in 2003."

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Sounds more like he isn't getting the job more so than he's not taking it.

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Yeah that article clearly sasy Memphis rejected him. Who knows the reason(s) for the rejection but I'll say coming from Snyder's organization can't help anyone.

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[quote=The Goat;631974]Yeah that article clearly sasy Memphis rejected him. Who knows the reason(s) for the rejection but I'll say coming from Snyder's organization can't help anyone.[/quote]

Right...if not for the Redskins connections he probably doesn't make it as one of two finalists.

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it sucks because he deserves a chance in my opinion to be a HC

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[quote=diehardskin2982;632079]it sucks because he deserves a chance in my opinion to be a HC[/quote]
Yeah, he deserves to be more than a DB coach

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632081]Yeah, he deserves to be more than a DB coach[/quote]

why? our secondary has always been suspect and we haven't developed anyone since he has been here, besides rogers and that's not saying much

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we have the number 1 pass defense regardless of how bad people think they are

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[quote=mlmdub130;632087]why? our secondary has always been suspect and we haven't developed anyone since he has been here, besides rogers and that's not saying much[/quote]
Cornerback is all about god given talent. But we have had a good secondary as long as he has been here. Tryon, and hall, have show serious improvement.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;632108]we have the number 1 pass defense regardless of how bad people think they are[/quote]Regardless, I can casually name 14 or 15 better pass defenses without looking anything up. Pass defenses that wouldn't allow blown coverages week after week, and if they did, would fix the problem.

The best passers we've seen this year are Eli Manning or Matt Ryan, and I think everyone else in the league has played at least ONE quarterback/team passing game better than NYG or ATL.

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This is not really Gray's fault though. It's on the players. Our corners are merely decent (Tryon is a better than decent NB), but outside of the Dallas game, our safeties have been atrocious.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;632108]we have the number 1 pass defense regardless of how bad people think they are[/quote]

I would like to see league wide stats on that for the last 5 minutes of games. We don't STOP anyone when the game is on the line.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632121]This is not really Gray's fault though. It's on the players. Our corners are merely decent (Tryon is a better than decent NB), but outside of the Dallas game, our safeties have been atrocious.[/quote]

I don't blame Gray either. He's playing what Blache is calling.

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this board has become nothing more then one giant excuse. its not the players fault. its not Gray's fault. who the hells fault is it? they all need to be accountable. while our defense isn't top tiered, its at least as good as 8 wins. our offense is getting better, but Zorn is supposed to be an offensive guy. the west coast offense sucks. i personally hate it. and that was even before it came here. without the right pieces, its useless

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[quote=mlmdub130;632087]why? [B]our secondary has always been suspect[/B] and we haven't developed anyone since he has been here, besides rogers and that's not saying much[/quote]
I might disagree with that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632121]This is not really Gray's fault though. It's on the players. Our corners are merely decent (Tryon is a better than decent NB), but outside of the Dallas game, our safeties have been atrocious.[/quote]
Yeah, our pass D relied heavily on ST.. DeSean would've been concussed long before Fletcher got to him had he still been around and they tried those same plays.

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[quote=tryfuhl;632516]I might disagree with that.[/quote]

So would the facts!

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Defense&cat=Rankings&conference=NFL&year=season_2009&sort=1122&timeframe=]NFL - Statistics by Team - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;632119]Regardless, I can casually name 14 or 15 better pass defenses without looking anything up. Pass defenses that wouldn't allow blown coverages week after week, and if they did, would fix the problem.

The best passers we've seen this year are Eli Manning or Matt Ryan, and I think everyone else in the league has played at least ONE quarterback/team passing game better than NYG or ATL.[/quote]

The truth about this secondary good or bad will be shown on sunday against the Saints. If we can contain them to a lower scoring percentage I honestly hope all the crap talk about this defense will stop.

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[quote=Buster;632519]So would the facts!

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Defense&cat=Rankings&conference=NFL&year=season_2009&sort=1122&timeframe=]NFL - Statistics by Team - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

you love the stats but this ain't fantasy football, all i know is our secondary gives up big plays and you can't deny that, i define that as suspect.

no one prepares for our games scared to throw, like they would if they were denver with bailey and b dawkins, they know if they need a big play they can usually get one

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[quote=T.O.Killa;632109]Cornerback is all about god given talent. But we have had a good secondary as long as he has been here. Tryon, and hall, have show serious improvement.[/quote]

If Bill Belichick can take a WR and turn him into a DB, I don't know how true taht really is. Yes you do have to have some talent and be able to work with what you have, but we have been killed on some long plays over the last few weeks. I am sorry, but I don't want to see any more 15 yard cushions which result in nickel and diming us all the way down the field. I guess we will see what happens with Gray. If he becomes the HC, you will only see more of the same because he will be a guy like Zorn who will be easily controlled and that will also mean that probably Cerrato will stay on.