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[quote=Schneed10;632897]Yeah he commands 8 defenders devoted to stopping him, because if he gets ANY space at all he'll find a way to break it. You've got to smother him before he gets a chance to breathe.

IMO he's the whole reason Vince Young looks at all competent right now. I don't think Young is doing anything special, but talking heads are kissing his ass because he's extending the play and making smart decisions.

[B]There are tons of QBs in the NFL capable of that, especially when 8 defenders are looking run first.[/B]

6 straight games of 125 yards or more, only Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson have done that. On pace for 2000 yards, that's only been done 4 times.

Barry Sanders holds the NFL record in the SB era for yards per carry in a single season, his 1997 season in which he broke 2000 yards. He ran for 6.1 per carry. Johnson currently sits at [B]6.4[/B].

If he keeps this up, you can make the case that this is the best season by any NFL running back in the SB era.[/quote]
there is a flaw in this logic. because Collins, for the first 6 games looked anything but capable. and he also had Johnson right beside him

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[quote=GMScud;632640]That last TD that Brees threw to Meachem was one of the best throws I've seen all year. A "dime" as Trent Dilfer would say.[/quote]
The one he threw over the middle to the receiver who was blanketed by the defender was particularly impressive as well.

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[quote=12thMan;632957]On a side, but related note, it seem like every other year we're talking about a different running back. Last year it was Peterson, couple of years back it was LT, this year Chris Johnson is running wild.[/quote]
yep.. mostly a QB league though

Alexander and LT did win it back to back though so I feel that Johnson should get serious consideration

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[quote=Schneed10;632897]Yeah he commands 8 defenders devoted to stopping him, because if he gets ANY space at all he'll find a way to break it. You've got to smother him before he gets a chance to breathe.

IMO he's the whole reason Vince Young looks at all competent right now. I don't think Young is doing anything special, but talking heads are kissing his ass because he's extending the play and making smart decisions.

There are tons of QBs in the NFL capable of that, especially when 8 defenders are looking run first.

6 straight games of 125 yards or more, only Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson have done that. On pace for 2000 yards, that's only been done 4 times.

Barry Sanders holds the NFL record in the SB era for yards per carry in a single season, his 1997 season in which he broke 2000 yards. He ran for 6.1 per carry. Johnson currently sits at [B]6.4[/B].

If he keeps this up, you can make the case that this is the best season by any NFL running back in the SB era.[/quote]I disagree, I think, with the framing of Johnson's season in a historical context. Johnson's best attribute may be his patience, it's what allows them to break those 30 yard chunks off against whatever front he sees.

But the problem is that Johnson, even this year, is not a great player at the line of scrimmage, as evidenced by his 42% [URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2004/introducing-running-back-success-rate"]success rate[/URL] on carries this year. I wish I had the advanced information at my fingertips, and I don't, but the median Chris Johnson run this year is something like 3 yards, which is pretty standard, not anything spectacular.

What Chris Johnson has been this year is a brutally fantastic finisher of runs. When he gets through the second level to that sideline, he outruns everyone on the field. It's ridiculous. He can do it with power too, as I've seen him run over safeties trying to stop him short of the first down marker.

The other thing that makes Johnson's MVP case less-than-stellar is that he hasn't offered much as a receiver in addition to his long runs. He had that one 69 yard reception two weeks ago or whatever, but outside of that, he does have a minor case of the butterfingers out of the backfield.

Again, I think anyone could make a really strong case that Johnson has been the most valuable running back in the NFL this year, and starting with the obscene yards per carry figure, that'd be a hard case to beat. I'm not even going to try to act like I can disprove a case that Johnson is the best runner in the NFL right now, even if I don't necessarily think that.

I would just think that if we're talking about him as MVP, the separation between him and others: Steven Jackson, DeAngelo Williams, and particularly Ray Rice is pretty minimal upon further review. If you use YPC, Johnson is clearly the best. Combining everything we have though, he's probably still the best runner, but there are better receivers out there who are also having really great rushing seasons.

As awesome as he's been every week, Johnson's air is hardly rarefied.

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Right now it ain't even close...it's Drew Brees. If Vince young takes the Titans to the playoffs he is the MVP. I mean having Chris Johnson helps but it didn't seem to help while they were losing 6 games in a row. Clearly Young is the x-factor not Johnson!

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I think of the named QB's for one of them to win MVP they must also win the SB. If none of those teams win the SB then CJ wins MVP.

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[quote=firstdown;632987]I think of the named QB's for one of them to win MVP they must also win the SB. If none of those teams win the SB then CJ wins MVP.[/quote]
MVP is announced about a month before the Super Bowl.

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drew brees.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;632586]Let's wait and see who makes it to the SB, that's how an MVP should be determined.[/quote]

I think they call that the Super Bowl MVP, its a different award :cool-smil

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It's between these two CJ & Brees I think in was always noted that Minny was a QB away from serious Super Bowl contention. Peyton always plays well so the Colts success doesn't impress me as much as the Titans & Saints

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I think Brees wins it and maybe shares it with Favre or Manning but I believe Brees wins it for sure

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[quote=skinsfaninok;632581]. What do you all think?
1. Peyton Manning
2.Drew Brees
3.Brett Favre
4. Chris Johnson
5. Phillip Rivers[/quote]

If there is another award for most outstanding player i would give it Chris Johnson.

but Most [I]Valuable[/I] Player

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Success in the NFL is measured in wins and Manning and Brees are the main reasons why their team's are undefeated.

But i would give the edge to Manning, imo he's doing it with less talent around him and that Miami game was sick he had the ball for 14-15 minutes and won the game-sick!

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AFC - Manning, unless Titans continue to roll and make playoffs...then Johnson, especially if he hits 2,000 yds

NFC - Brees, Favre not far behind

Redskins - Fletcher

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it's obviously on johnson's mind, and he sounds pretty bitter he didn't get rookie of the year last year

[url]http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2009/12/02/chris-johnson-consider-me-for-mvp/[/url]