Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Can't say I'm really surprised that the team folded last night. Did I see it coming? No. But in hindsight I think the signs were there for a potential collapse.

Vinny stepping down, Allen coming in, Shanahan in the rearview, rumblings of coaches on the staff interviewing for the HC job and the resulting dissention amongst the ranks of the staff, it's not a surprise we got smoked.

Finally, let's tip our hats to the Giants who came in and played like a team with a purpose. We were overmatched in every phase of the game.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;644191][B]Jason Campbell[/B] I know the protection was pretty putrid today. But the numbers don't lie...he threw two horrible interceptions that were his fault. Plus, how is it that Collins comes in and fires off two deep passes? I'll tell you why, because he wasn't afraid to take on 3rd string DBs, even in tight coverage. I think JC will and should be re-signed but quit playing scared. Make some throws.
[/quote]

Yeah, he looked scared tonight, but he actually hasn't played that way in the last several weeks. I don't know if it was the Giants, or primetime, or the fact that the rest of the team mailed it in, but he definitely didn't have it last night... And because of that, gave all the haters an excuse to come out of the woodwork.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

With a complete lack of protection I really can't blame JC for being off. Dude was getting killed and kept coming back for more.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Mattyk;644422]Not much else to say, right?

I turned the game off early in the 3rd quarter. Not sure I've ever done that before.[/quote]

Quitter!


:benched:

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

I was just following the example set by the team.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

I actually hung in and saw the whole game as I couldn't believe that there wouldn't be at least a drive in which we showed a little fight. I give credit to Fred Davis who really hustled for extra yards (and got 1st downs -- most of the few we made -- and a TD as a result), to Haynesworth for trying to protect a teammate, and to Fletcherfor constant hustle. No one really came to play, and it was really disheartening. Zorn looked completely lost and befuddled. JC looked like he'd just survived Bastogne (did you see how glassy-eyed he was at the end of the game?. Our O-line functioned like matadors last night, and it was painful to watch.

This may be the worst overall effort I have seen by our team since I became a fan in 1973.

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[quote=GTripp0012;644200]All of the above. I don't know what to think about Jason coming back in. On one hand, [B]no one can possibly say he's not a leader now.[/B] On the other, he definitely hurt his stock around the league in doing so. Or at least, I think he did.[/quote]

Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that he's not a leader.

I said it during the MNF thread, but I see a lot of parallels between his attitude and Chris Leak's attitude at UF before Urban Meyer showed up. Chris Leak was a quiet guy who chose to lead by example. He never complained, never got in anybody's face, and was content to play as hard as he could and do everything he could to help the team win.

For Urban Meyer (and the Gators' winning percentage), this wasn't enough.

Meyer immediately came in and challenged Leak's passion and willingness to be a vocal leader. As a leader, it's not enough to go out, play your hardest, and hope for the best. You have to go out, play your hardest, and make sure everybody around you plays their best, too. It took about a season for Chris Leak to come around, but when he did, we won a National Championship.

I don't expect Jason Campbell to get fired up for the two remaining games (no sense in confronting your teammates when the season is over and the main priority is, in all honesty, keeping everybody healthy).

So I say keep Jason Campbell. There's absolutely no reason why he can't become the complete-package leader this team desperately needs. We have a lot of "skill" issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but keep in mind this team exposed and almost beat the Saints. It's the NFL, and everybody on this roster is in the top 1% of football players in this country.

So who is the leader? On offense, on defense, on special teams. Nobody.

There is NO player leadership on this team, and I don't see much coming from the coaching staff. This team, no matter if they are acquiring free agents or drafting players, has historically ignored the leadership/psychological aspect of this game. They insert players that are intended to address specific issues instead of inserting players who make the other 10 guys on the field play better. So as the other 10 players fail, we scream at Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder, or we yell at a wide receiver spinning the ball during a 2-minute drill. This is bad veteran leadership and bad coaching.

The coaching will be addressed, but what about the players? Sometimes somebody needs to grab these guys by the facemask, and it can't always be a coach. Again, I just want everybody to make it to the end of the season unhurt. It would be a shame for somebody to get seriously hurt in a complete waste and a debacle of a season.

And Jason Campbell doesn't have to jump around and yell and grab people by the facemask. He DOES have to immediately be talking to them after they fail to chip a blitzer, or they run a go pattern when they should have run a crossing pattern. Campbell is a capable quarterback and a great human being, but he is not (yet) a leader. Not even close.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

I felt if we had showed up BA might keep some of the staff, but screw them, and to bring a lathargic act of football to National TV is pathetic. Allen has a helluave lot of work to bring this team back to being respectable.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;644455]Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that he's not a leader.

I said it during the MNF thread, but I see a lot of parallels between his attitude and Chris Leak's attitude at UF before Urban Meyer showed up. Chris Leak was a quiet guy who chose to lead by example. He never complained, never got in anybody's face, and was content to play as hard as he could and do everything he could to help the team win.

For Urban Meyer (and the Gators' winning percentage), this wasn't enough.

Meyer immediately came in and challenged Leak's passion and willingness to be a vocal leader. As a leader, it's not enough to go out, play your hardest, and hope for the best. You have to go out, play your hardest, and make sure everybody around you plays their best, too. It took about a season for Chris Leak to come around, but when he did, we won a National Championship.

I don't expect Jason Campbell to get fired up for the two remaining games (no sense in confronting your teammates when the season is over and the main priority is, in all honesty, keeping everybody healthy).

So I say keep Jason Campbell. There's absolutely no reason why he can't become the complete-package leader this team desperately needs. We have a lot of "skill" issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but keep in mind this team exposed and almost beat the Saints. It's the NFL, and everybody on this roster is in the top 1% of football players in this country.

So who is the leader? On offense, on defense, on special teams. Nobody.

There is NO player leadership on this team, and I don't see much coming from the coaching staff. This team, no matter if they are acquiring free agents or drafting players, has historically ignored the leadership/psychological aspect of this game. They insert players that are intended to address specific issues instead of inserting players who make the other 10 guys on the field play better. So as the other 10 players fail, we scream at Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder, or we yell at a wide receiver spinning the ball during a 2-minute drill. This is bad veteran leadership and bad coaching.

The coaching will be addressed, but what about the players? Sometimes somebody needs to grab these guys by the facemask, and it can't always be a coach. Again, I just want everybody to make it to the end of the season unhurt. It would be a shame for somebody to get seriously hurt in a complete waste and a debacle of a season.

And Jason Campbell doesn't have to jump around and yell and grab people by the facemask. He DOES have to immediately be talking to them after they fail to chip a blitzer, or they run a go pattern when they should have run a crossing pattern. Campbell is a capable quarterback and a great human being, but he is not (yet) a leader. Not even close.[/quote]

Kinda hard being the leader when the ownership clearly doesn't want you there.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

It is better this way. THis way we do not get a false sense of improved play and the SKins can be assured a higher draft pick.
The one thing that cemented it for me and proves the players on this team except for maybe Haynesworth have losers mentality: when losing by three or more TD's, Santana Moss made a first down completion and spun the ball and started celebrating. Santana Moss YOU ARE AN IDIOT! You do not celebrate when losing that bad. Besides not having the talent, these players do not know what it means to be a winner.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

I think the biggest problem was the coaching.

As SS said in his first post, we were badly outcoached on both sides of the ball early in the game. Their gameplan, playcalling and execution was perfect while we didn't seem to have a clue what we were doing.

Looking back, the first game with the Giants was very similar. The only reason the score on that occasion didn't reflect their overwhelming superiority was because of them not finishing their drives as well as they did last night.

Obviously when you get a team with nothing to play for down early against a team with everything to play for it's likely to get ugly.

I'm hopeful we can bounce back next week and show some of the spirit that we have in the previous few games.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;644455]Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that he's not a leader.

I said it during the MNF thread, but I see a lot of parallels between his attitude and Chris Leak's attitude at UF before Urban Meyer showed up. Chris Leak was a quiet guy who chose to lead by example. He never complained, never got in anybody's face, and was content to play as hard as he could and do everything he could to help the team win.

For Urban Meyer (and the Gators' winning percentage), this wasn't enough.

Meyer immediately came in and challenged Leak's passion and willingness to be a vocal leader. As a leader, it's not enough to go out, play your hardest, and hope for the best. You have to go out, play your hardest, and make sure everybody around you plays their best, too. It took about a season for Chris Leak to come around, but when he did, we won a National Championship.

I don't expect Jason Campbell to get fired up for the two remaining games (no sense in confronting your teammates when the season is over and the main priority is, in all honesty, keeping everybody healthy).

So I say keep Jason Campbell. There's absolutely no reason why he can't become the complete-package leader this team desperately needs. We have a lot of "skill" issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but keep in mind this team exposed and almost beat the Saints. It's the NFL, and everybody on this roster is in the top 1% of football players in this country.

So who is the leader? On offense, on defense, on special teams. Nobody.

There is NO player leadership on this team, and I don't see much coming from the coaching staff. This team, no matter if they are acquiring free agents or drafting players, has historically ignored the leadership/psychological aspect of this game. They insert players that are intended to address specific issues instead of inserting players who make the other 10 guys on the field play better. So as the other 10 players fail, we scream at Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder, or we yell at a wide receiver spinning the ball during a 2-minute drill. This is bad veteran leadership and bad coaching.

The coaching will be addressed, but what about the players? Sometimes somebody needs to grab these guys by the facemask, and it can't always be a coach. Again, I just want everybody to make it to the end of the season unhurt. It would be a shame for somebody to get seriously hurt in a complete waste and a debacle of a season.

And Jason Campbell doesn't have to jump around and yell and grab people by the facemask. He DOES have to immediately be talking to them after they fail to chip a blitzer, or they run a go pattern when they should have run a crossing pattern. Campbell is a capable quarterback and a great human being, but he is not (yet) a leader. Not even close.[/quote]

Very very well stated. JC is a tough player with some quality skills, but he has shown very little leadership. Like to see him here next year, still a chance he gain it with a coach who has full confidence in him.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Mattyk;644434]
Finally, let's tip our hats to the Giants who came in and played like a team with a purpose. We were overmatched in every phase of the game.[/quote]

i will tip my hat to most but brandon jacbos is a first class douche bag

[I]We took the stadium over," Brandon Jacobs said. "You know, that's what we do every year here. We come to D.C., half of the stadium is Giants fans.[/I]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/jacobs_we_took_the_stadium_ove.html#more]D.C. Sports Bog - Jacobs: "We took the stadium over"[/url]

[I]I didn't throw a punch," Jacobs said, when asked point-blank whether he did. "I got jumped. I got jumped by two guys. I tried to get out of there, but one had me and one was hitting me. But it is what it is. I guess those guys [are teammates], and they worked together."[/I]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/jacobs_im_not_scared_of_anybod.html#more]D.C. Sports Bog - Jacobs: "I'm not scared of anybody"[/url]

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=davy;644461]I think the biggest problem was the coaching.

As SS said in his first post, we were badly outcoached on both sides of the ball early in the game. Their gameplan, playcalling and execution was perfect while we didn't seem to have a clue what we were doing.

Looking back, the first game with the Giants was very similar. The only reason the score on that occasion didn't reflect their overwhelming superiority was because of them not finishing their drives as well as they did last night.

Obviously when you get a team with nothing to play for down early against a team with everything to play for it's likely to get ugly.

I'm hopeful we can bounce back next week and show some of the spirit that we have in the previous few games.[/quote]

It's just pathetic how this coaching staff can't adjust to game situations. In offense, the coaching staff for some reason thought the line would hold, and it didn't...on defense, they kept getting burned by screen passes, yet kept blitzing like crazy.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Southpaw;644436]Yeah, he looked scared tonight, but he actually hasn't played that way in the last several weeks. I don't know if it was the Giants, or primetime, or the fact that the rest of the team mailed it in, but he definitely didn't have it last night... And because of that, gave all the haters an excuse to come out of the woodwork.[/quote]

Well if you're going to play scared against a division opponent on national tv in primetime...then you're going to rightfully get hated on.

I agree though he hadn't played that way in recent weeks. Still, it's a lot different playing at Oakland

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Two things:

1) Why weren't the Refs not calling all the holding calls? I'm not trying to make excuses for the defense. We had major issues last night, but on almost every play the Giants RG #76 was holding. I also thought I saw Carter being held most of the evening. It doesn't explain why the offense sucked.

2) Sorry to say I didn't see the second half of the game. I figured if the team was not going to show up then I didn't need to either. Bring on Dallas.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;644208]In my opinion, every player should be on the list except for Albert Haynesworth. I was opposed to signing Haynesworth and still think he's not worth the investment. That said, tonight he played well and I liked the fire he showed. I usually blast players for drawing flags, but I make a special exception for players who draw flags while defending teammates. Haynesworth has been flagged twice for defending Hall. He's got that nasty attitude and shows loyalty to his teammates. I love it.[/quote]

Haynesworth defends his teammates and that's all he's worth. The guy can't play two plays in a row w/out coming out of the game. Pathetic. He's useless.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;644477]Well if you're going to play scared against a division opponent on national tv in primetime...then you're going to rightfully get hated on.

I agree though he hadn't played that way in recent weeks. Still, it's a lot different playing at Oakland[/quote]

I agree. When is the last time JC has stepped up in a primetime, "big" game? This wasn't even a big game. He looked scared from the beginning. The line was horrible. The coaching didn't help. It was just a horrible, embarrassing night. Alot that happened last night wasn't JC's fault. He didn't play well though and looked shell-shocked out there.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

My Smackdown:

Moss: stop acting like a jack ass- i'm adding you to my I'm so done w/ list
Refs: call a fair game
The entire Skins coaching staff: You were outcoached by a wide margin last night
Danny Smith: Holy shittyness
Brandon Jacobs: You may now be on my most hated list
London Fletcher: Thanks for you effort last night, at least one player was playing
Orakpo: We all knew, but your coverage needs alot of work
Landry: Add safety to our list of needs- This saddens me, but you can't tackle or cover

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Chico23231;644403]. Danny Smith too, yeah he called a couple fakes this year, f8ck him.
[/quote]
Pretty sure Smith isn't making the decision to fake it.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Haynesworth apparently said that from what he's seen we can play football.. but it's definitely not showing in our record and that game.. says that people are going in all different directions and what the team needs is a leader that can get them all working together.

I assume he's referring to coaching deficiencies?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=calia;644454]I actually hung in and saw the whole game as I couldn't believe that there wouldn't be at least a drive in which we showed a little fight. I give credit to Fred Davis who really hustled for extra yards (and got 1st downs -- most of the few we made -- and a TD as a result), to Haynesworth for trying to protect a teammate, and to Fletcherfor constant hustle. No one really came to play, and it was really disheartening. Zorn looked completely lost and befuddled. JC looked like he'd just survived Bastogne (did you see how glassy-eyed he was at the end of the game?. Our O-line functioned like matadors last night, and it was painful to watch.

This may be the worst overall effort I have seen by our team since I became a fan in 1973.[/quote]
Yeah, roommate and I were talking about how Zorn was just wandering around the sidelines, quite a few times he wasn't even near the field, but off talking to an assistant or something.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

I just hope whoever comes in cleans house and has this team acting like a team. I pray next year the HC has this team playing well and we run up the score on the Giants in both games just to humiliate them, especially on their turf.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;644466]i will tip my hat to most but brandon jacbos is a first class douche bag

[I]We took the stadium over," Brandon Jacobs said. "You know, that's what we do every year here. We come to D.C., half of the stadium is Giants fans.[/I]

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/jacobs_we_took_the_stadium_ove.html#more"]D.C. Sports Bog - Jacobs: "We took the stadium over"[/URL]

[I]I didn't throw a punch," Jacobs said, when asked point-blank whether he did. "I got jumped. I got jumped by two guys. I tried to get out of there, but one had me and one was hitting me. But it is what it is. I guess those guys [are teammates], and they worked together."[/I]

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/jacobs_im_not_scared_of_anybod.html#more"]D.C. Sports Bog - Jacobs: "I'm not scared of anybody"[/URL][/quote]

Dude is delusional; he and another guy are the ones that doubled up on Hall.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/8780/fake-fgs-and-other-stuff]Fake FGs and other stuff - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[quote=][B][U]Fake FGs and other stuff[/U][/B]

...Here's how Zorn described the play: “[B]It was good defense. [I]That’s[/I] what hurt that play. [/B]I contemplated going back, after [Tom Coughlin] called timeout, and kicking the field goal. The play was unique enough to where I didn’t think they saw what we were really trying to do and then they smelled it out pretty quickly, we didn’t really have a chance to get it started.”
[/quote]

The man needs firing. At this point, who does Zorn think he's fooling? he might as well just blame it on the thetons.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;644523]Dude is delusional; he and another guy are the ones that doubled up on Hall.[/quote]

Jacobs was being pissy because he got stripped by Hall. One of the few plays defensively that the team made gets called back by horrible officiating.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;644520]Yeah, roommate and I were talking about how Zorn was just wandering around the sidelines, quite a few times he wasn't even near the field, but off talking to an assistant or something.[/quote]

I want to say we haven't played this bad in a while which makes me wonder like I was wondering last night if Allen gave Zorn back his reigns to see what Zorn would do. Honestly it just screamed of Zorn all over it....no game planning, bad play calls, bad timing. I'm waiting to hear something about "execution".

Did the team sleep all week? It's like they never exploited any form of weakness of the Giants; ie their bad secondary. It took me 2 series to figure out they needed to get the ball to Ganther behind the defensive line. How hard is it to pass to a RB beyond the defensive line?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644493]Haynesworth defends his teammates and that's all he's worth. The guy can't play two plays in a row w/out coming out of the game. Pathetic. He's useless.[/quote]
He didn't flop on the ground a single time yesterday did he? We knew what we were getting, I'd like to see his pct of snaps played. He's not the only person that we rotate in and out; I'd rather see Haynesworth take a breather than come up tired and get hurt. Then if they want him to condition differently they can ask it of him.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;644534]He didn't flop on the ground a single time yesterday did he? We knew what we were getting, I'd like to see his pct of snaps played. He's not the only person that we rotate in and out; I'd rather see Haynesworth take a breather than come up tired and get hurt. Then if they want him to condition differently they can ask it of him.[/quote]

We rotate players in and out I'm sure, but there's always a camera pointed at him.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Honestly I kinda liked the fake field goal, but after the time out was called I figured it wouldn't work. Watching the play develope it still would have worked had we actually had a QB as our holding specialist instead of the punter. I'm not sure who it was but we had on player behind all the Giants players and if the ball was thrown better into the corner of the endzone he would have had a TD. All the Kicker needed to do was roll out more to his left and pass it farther. I think his arm was hit at release though.

In a nutshell trick plays are used by despirate teams making a despirate attempt to win the game. Most HC 's only use them when their down by 1 score and are in a must win situation. Not when they are down by 3 or 4 scores already.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SBXVII;644541]Honestly I kinda liked the fake field goal, but after the time out was called I figured it wouldn't work. Watching the play develope it still would have worked had we actually had a QB as our holding specialist instead of the punter. I'm not sure who it was but we had on player behind all the Giants players and if the ball was thrown better into the corner of the endzone he would have had a TD. All the Kicker needed to do was roll out more to his left and pass it farther. I think his arm was hit at release though.

In a nutshell trick plays are used by despirate teams making a despirate attempt to win the game. Most HC 's only use them when their down by 1 score and are in a must win situation. Not when they are down by 3 or 4 scores already.[/quote]

Once the trick play failed, they should have just gone for it. While I may agree with the whole "what's 3 points when you are playing this poorly?" but one of the things that usually work for trick play is the element of surprise, which obviously was gone. Apparently Zorn was absent the day they taught that in coaching school.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

So what was the idea behind that retarded play design on the fake FG? Seemed like a pop warner move to me. Seriously, just take your points and try to build on that. Don't bring out a circus formation and get your punter killed.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;644543]Once the trick play failed, they should have just gone for it. While I may agree with the whole "what's 3 points when you are playing this poorly?" but one of the things that usually work for trick play is the element of surprise, which obviously was gone. Apparently Zorn was absent the day they taught that in coaching school.[/quote]

I don't think Zorn ever completed the prerequesite courses to even enter coaching school.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;644534]He didn't flop on the ground a single time yesterday did he? We knew what we were getting, I'd like to see his pct of snaps played. He's not the only person that we rotate in and out; I'd rather see Haynesworth take a breather than come up tired and get hurt. Then if they want him to condition differently they can ask it of him.[/quote]

I'm sorry but he's freakin TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! Haynesworth is as soft as BUTTER. I've never seen a professional football player that can only play one play and then take 4 off.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Mattyk;644547]So what was the idea behind that retarded play design on the fake FG? Seemed like a pop warner move to me. Seriously, just take your points and try to build on that. Don't bring out a circus formation and get your punter killed.[/quote]

That was Zorn say F-U to Snyder. Why else would he make that stupid ass call? I thought it was funny and started laughing.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644552]That was Zorn say F-U to Snyder. Why else would he make that stupid ass call? I thought it was funny and started laughing.[/quote]

Kind of a lame FU if that was the intent. I thought it made Zorn look like the ass, along with the entire team. That's really a guy I would want as my HC.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;644208]In my opinion, every player should be on the list except for Albert Haynesworth. I was opposed to signing Haynesworth and still think he's not worth the investment. That said, tonight he played well and I liked the fire he showed. I usually blast players for drawing flags, but I make a special exception for players who draw flags while defending teammates. Haynesworth has been flagged twice for defending Hall. He's got that nasty attitude and shows loyalty to his teammates. I love it.[/quote]

We played our best games of the year w/out Haynesworth. He is obviously a beast & can beat anybody WHEN he's in the game. During that opening drive, he was on the sidelines when the g men were inside the 5. The guy just can't be counted on for much.

I really wonder if he has caused the D to regress overall. Think about this, you're playing hard every play making 1/10 of what he does, yet he comes out of the game about any time he's tired or 'nicked up.' Then he's got the audacity to say he's not being used right!

That's the reason some teams simply don't sign big name free agents, there is a chemistry transition. Look at every year the Skins have made a big splash in free agency, 00, 03, 06, 09. It hasn't turned out well that season. The only exception is maybe the D in 04.

Hopefully, next year AH becomes part of the team more. He really looks like an independent contractor right now. (I will give him props for sticking up for Hall, but isn't that ironic, he sticks up twice for the dude that also got a big contract. I don't think anyone else is sticking up for Hall.)

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Mattyk;644555]Kind of a lame FU if that was the intent. I thought it made Zorn look like the ass, along with the entire team. That's really a guy I would want as my HC.[/quote]

Yeah I guess it did make Zorn look stupid but how many times can a man get shit on before he cracks?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644550]I'm sorry but he's freakin TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! Haynesworth is as soft as BUTTER. I've never seen a professional football player that can only play one play and then take 4 off.[/quote]

I'm not really sure what games you're watching man.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644552]That was Zorn say F-U to Snyder. Why else would he make that stupid ass call? I thought it was funny and started laughing.[/quote]

that was my initial reaction to but then i considered it in the context that zorn already tried this with success twice before this year with hunter smith so this decision was not exactly against zorn's MO.

watching those guys all swing out outisde the numbers was funny at that point. the crowd cheered. then they did it again after the TO i almost lost it laughing at us. just sad all around.