Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;651635]Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.[/quote]

How about injuries to your best 3 lineman? Samuels, Thomas and Jansen. This year even the backups were injured which made 3rd and 4th stringers start. Who would you consider a better OL coach in your opinion?

Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;651635]Put him in the Ring of Honor if that makes you feel good. He had one great run with OLs in the 1980s and had 4 Hall of Fame level talents play most of that time on his offensive lines. I'm not saying he is a bum or a failure; I am saying that his achievements have to be measured in terms of the contributions that others handed to him. That's all.[/quote]I'm saying that at least 3 of those 4 HoF caliber players would likely not be in that position without Joe Bugel's coaching. I wouldn't put anyone in the Ring of Honor to feel good, only if they deserve it....and Buges certainly does.

[quote]Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.[/quote]I know my numbers in the post were a little hard to read due to the formatting, but Buges' OLs have performed very well for 19 out of 25 years since 1977. I don't know how else to explain that you can't summarize 25+ years of coaching in the final two years of Buges' career, coaching a system (Zone Blocking) he wasn't experienced with, with a dysfunctional FO and coaching staff/structure surrounding him.

Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

Peace!

Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;651637]I'm saying that at least 3 of those 4 HoF caliber players would likely not be in that position without Joe Bugel's coaching. I wouldn't put anyone in the Ring of Honor to feel good, only if they deserve it....and Buges certainly does.

I know my numbers in the post were a little hard to read due to the formatting, but Buges' OLs have performed very well for 19 out of 25 years since 1977. I don't know how else to explain that you can't summarize 25+ years of coaching in the final two years of Buges' career, coaching a system (Zone Blocking) he wasn't experienced with, with a dysfunctional FO and coaching staff/structure surrounding him.[/quote] Well said SS33 . He took T) Starke # 74 and eliminated all those holding penalties . Other's G) F. Dean , C) Bostic < cut/philly > , G) R Mckenzie .... we won 3 Super Bowls with 3 diff. QB's being protected by Buges line . We also had diff. starting RB's in all three SB wins . No coach wins SB rings with poor talent , Buges took no names and gave OL ... a name .... HOGS #1 ... Thanks coach Buges .... good luck in all you do !

Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;651635]Put him in the Ring of Honor if that makes you feel good. He had one great run with OLs in the 1980s and had 4 Hall of Fame level talents play most of that time on his offensive lines. I'm not saying he is a bum or a failure; I am saying that his achievements have to be measured in terms of the contributions that others handed to him. That's all.

Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.[/quote]

Do you feel the same about Joe Gibbs? he never won a SB without the hogs. His teams struggled without superior talent.

Would Jacoby have been as successful if he played for another team?
I doubt it.

Lachey and May are the only two players who are superior athletes. Jacoby and Grimm didn't come out of college playing like hall of famers.

Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

:doh: haters dont have to post on an appreciation thread...

Re: the great Joe Bugel
 

I say this, it takes a good coach to develop players into hall of fame status. I understand that it takes a good GM to find the talent, but without a good coach, a HOF players is an average player. Just my opinion.