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I know that I'll probably get blasted for this...but I like Snyder. I always have liked him as an owner. He has a passion for the job, turns a profit, and pours it back into the team. he's made some HUGE mistakes and takes some deserved criticism, but presses forward. For a guy that bought the team in his mid-30's I kind of expected some growing pains. However, I also see how he is evolving and thinks he has the makings of being an exceptional owner once he puts it all together. I'm cool with the Danny!

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[quote=skinsguy;650174]I love how people are going to start ripping on Shanahan just because he may in fact be a "Snyder" hire. "But he only won Super Bowls with a quarterback named Elway". Yet Dan Reeves couldn't win a Super Bowl with a quarterback named Elway who was also at the time a young sprout QB.

So Shanahan wins those Super Bowls with a gray-beard Elway at the end of his career. I say Shanahan is a good hire no matter who is the one responsible....Snyder or Allen or both guys.[/quote]

I love the fact people throw the QB name out there quickly. Let me throw one who is in the Hall of Fame.... Dan Marino. I forgot how many SB's he won.

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[quote=SBXVII;650178]I honestly don't think I would want him now. Cowher. Especially after he has told many of media people he would not want the Redskins job or it's front office issues. Then the well dries up and all of a sudden the Redskins look like an oasis. Tampa says they are keeping their HC. Carolina says they are keeping their HC. Houston says they are keeping their HC. Browns hire Holmgren who is a WCO type of guys so most likely they will try to turn the page to a WCO style. Then you have the Bills. No one want to work in Buffalo. It sucks, it's cold, and the owner is cheap. Only then does Cowher decide the Skins look like a good situation and comes begging or calling Allen. I think I too would say have a nice day.[/quote]

Do you blame him (or anyone) for not wanting to come to the skins with the old FO structure? I don't. The the skins deserved every bad thing that was said about them.

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[quote=SBXVII;650183]I love the fact people throw the QB name out there quickly. Let me throw one who is in the Hall of Fame.... Dan Marino. I forgot how many SB's he won.[/quote]


Yep! Exactly my point! Shanahan won with a talented Denver Broncos team. Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, etc...

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[quote=CRT3;650091]I am afraid to say everybody is missing the point. The desire to have a GM who is responsible for everything in the organization is being circumvented already. This is Dan's hire (Shanahan) and this will not be called out till the next season or the one after that is another failure. As fans many of us have expressed our views to have the owner step aside but it is clear that this is business as usual at Redskin Park.[/quote]
Think of it this way. While Snyder's pick is Shanahan, Allen is Shanahan's hire and not Snyder's. Allen's here to help Shanahan run the books and acquire the talent that Shanahan hand picks. Snyder will be able to disassemble his office at Redskin Park and stay out of the day to day. He will also have two guys he trusts running his franchise, and while Snyder will still have some say, ultimately the final decision will lie in Shanahan's hands, and not Allen's or Snyder's.

And for those who don't think Shanahan can get the job done, look at it this way. The message that has echoed from this board for a long time has been to get rid of Cerrato, stop Snyder's meddling and hire football guys to run the franchise. We've got 2 out of 3, and if Allen and Shanahan are successful, you might get the 3rd.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650176]I don't think anyone is saying Shanahan isn't a [I]good[/I] hire, but is he the [I]best[/I] one? How can we know when he's the only one who we give a [I]real[/I] interview to?[/quote]

You don't ever know if who you hire is the best hire until you see how they perform the job. On paper, some other coach might be the perfect fit but can't translate it into his job. At least we know that Shanahan has been very successful in the NFL and knows how to win. His resume speaks for itself. I'd hire him in a heartbeat.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;650131]Well, actually its a [B]72 win and 96 loss [/B]thing. That's what it boils down to - until those number turns around, Snyder will be lambasted.

With that said, I agree with Paintrain and think "Best post ever" sentiment.[/quote]

I get it, our win-loss record is shitty, but with the move of hiring Allen and then getting Shanahan, isn't Snyder trying to turn those numbers around? I mean I don't think that Snyder ever brought someone in and thought to himself, "I hope this adds more losses to the team!!" My point was that Snyder is trying, has he made some piss poor choices? Sure, but other than when he brought back Gibbs, this is probably his best move since he owned the team, IMO...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650176]I don't think anyone is saying Shanahan isn't a [I]good[/I] hire, but is he the [I]best[/I] one? How can we know when he's the only one who we give a [I]real[/I] interview to?[/quote]

Both Shanahan and Cowher have impressive resumes. Who's the best one? That's pretty subjective. Strong cases can be made for both. But it comes down to who is the best fit for the organization. Shanahan just seems to be the better fit for a variety of reasons. If Cowher had a genuine interest here, I'd find it hard to believe he wouldn't be considered.

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It doesn't even matter if Snyder wanted Shanihan. What matters is that we will have compitent people running the football operation. Do you really think that Shanahan & Allen are going to let Snyder tell them what to do? They may let him feel involved but I am very confident that Snyder will not be making any more football decisions as long as Allen & Shanihan are in town. That is what really matters.

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So whats wrong with interviewing someone else? what's the rush? why lock in on shanahan and ignore all other options? is there something wrong about performing due dilligence?

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[quote=Paintrain;650123]At the risk of sounding like a dick, anyone who cannot recognize that Allen/Shanahan is the best thing that's happened to this franchise since '93 is a moron.

We've all been screaming for a 'football guy' which Allen clearly is. We clearly need a powerful, respected head coach, which Shanahan clearly is. Look, Snyder is going to be involved at some level. Get used to it or get over it. I'm choosing to believe that he's going to let Shanahallen do their thing and not micro-manage them.

If I'm proven wrong then blast me for being naive but the negative nellies who will find something wrong with everything the franchise does are really annoying.[/quote]
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[quote=celts32;650214]It doesn't even matter if Snyder wanted Shanihan. What matters is that we will have compitent people running the football operation. Do you really think that Shanahan & Allen are going to let Snyder tell them what to do? They may let him feel involved but I am very confident that Snyder will not be making any more football decisions as long as Allen & Shanihan are in town. [B]That is what really matters[/B].[/quote]

:food-smil

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650216]So whats wrong with interviewing someone else? what's the rush? why lock in on shanahan and [B]ignore all other options?[/B] is there something wrong about performing due dilligence?[/quote]

What other options? Holmgren is gone, The Chin is not interested...

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I think when you are looking for a new coach, it's best to strike quickly. We saw what happened 2 years ago when you string out the coaching search.

This process didn't start yesterday... Allen and Snyder undoubtedly had a plan in place weeks ago.

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[quote=Mattyk;650259]I think when you are looking for a new coach, it's best to strike quickly. We saw what happened 2 years ago when you string out the coaching search.

This process didn't start yesterday... Allen and Snyder undoubtedly had a plan in place weeks ago.[/quote]

Yeah, 10 weeks. :D

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[quote=Lotus;650253]What other options? Holmgren is gone, The Chin is not interested...[/quote]

Gruden apparently out of the job hunt also.

That leaves Tom Cable and Fassel. :D

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[quote=Lotus;650253]The Chin is not interested...[/quote]

then why did he call Allen to inquire about the HC position yesterday?

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It appears obvious that Snyder hired them both, therefore the question will linger in the minds of many, Did he do what he's doing because he's actually changed his ways, or did he do what he had to do? I'm inclined to believe there's a little of both.

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[quote=Mattyk;650259]I think when you are looking for a new coach, it's best to strike quickly. We saw what happened 2 years ago when you string out the coaching search.

This process didn't start yesterday... Allen and Snyder undoubtedly had a plan in place weeks ago.[/quote]

Two years ago we were forced to string along the coaching search because no one wanted to work for Snyderatto. Cerratos gone now; Snyder's allegedly stepped back, and a real GM has been hired. Two years ago Bill Cowher told Snyder, No Thanks. Yesterday, he called; presumably to ask for an interview. The change in our front office structure has completely changed the "appeal" of the redskins head coching job. Shanahan doesn't have any other legitimate potential suitors right now. We have all the leverage. There's no reason to rush things. The job has only truly been vacant one day. Instead of handing the job on a silver platter to anyone, we should interview several top candidates. Shanahan may end up being the best option for us out there, but it would be foolish not to consider all our options.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650274]then why did he call Allen to inquire about the HC position yesterday?[/quote]

You don't know that he called to inquire about the HC position. You just know that they reportedly spoke to each other

Cowher incidentally is reportedly scheduled to meet with the Bills again.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650274]then why did he call Allen to inquire about the HC position yesterday?[/quote]

Doesn't it strike you as odd that, in that report, The Chin called Allen, rather than the other way around? That report seems fishy to me.

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[quote=Lotus;650285]Doesn't it strike you as odd that, in that report, The Chin called Allen, rather than the other way around? That report seems fishy to me.[/quote]

I think Cowher misread the market for him and now he is calling around to see what possibilities may be out there at this point.

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[quote=Paintrain;650123]At the risk of sounding like a dick, anyone who cannot recognize that Allen/Shanahan is the best thing that's happened to this franchise since '93 is a moron.

We've all been screaming for a 'football guy' which Allen clearly is. We clearly need a powerful, respected head coach, which Shanahan clearly is. Look, Snyder is going to be involved at some level. Get used to it or get over it. I'm choosing to believe that he's going to let Shanahallen do their thing and not micro-manage them.

If I'm proven wrong then blast me for being naive but the negative nellies who will find something wrong with everything the franchise does are really annoying.[/quote]


Paintrain:

I think you got it right. Allen/Shannahan will be a more competent "football pair" at the top of the organization than has been here since the departure of Bobby Beathard at the end of the 1980s.

I am willing to suspend my disbelief that Danny Boy will step out of the way for a while and let these guys try to put some order into the chaos that is this team. Allen said in his presser that the new coach - - presumably but not yet certainly Shannahan - - has to be able to get the players already in the locker room to perform at levels they have never performed before. That means lots of these guys are going to be coming back. That means Danny Boy isn't going to go nuts in an uncapped year and try to buy up half the league. For the recrod: That's a good thing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650286]I think Cowher misread the market for him and now he is calling around to see what possibilities may be out there at this point.[/quote]

That's how i interpretted it. Cowher really should have returned to coaching last year. There look to be very few openings this year and as the head coaching vacancies are much more limited.

[quote=Lotus;650285]Doesn't it strike you as odd that, in that report, The Chin called Allen, rather than the other way around? That report seems fishy to me.[/quote]

That was exactly my point. Allen should have been the one calling The Chin. The fact that he didn't (combined with history) makes me feel Allen is just doing Snyders bidding. - which is fishy.

It could just be an erroneous report and Cowher is no more interested in the job than he was before. If thats the case, then Shanahan is the best we can get.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650281]You don't know that he called to inquire about the HC position. You just know that they reportedly spoke to each other

Cowher incidentally is reportedly scheduled to meet with the Bills again.[/quote]

Why else would he call?

Read the thing about the Bills job too. Lucky Bills.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650347]That's how i interpretted it. Cowher really should have returned to coaching last year. There look to be very few openings this year and as the head coaching vacancies are much more limited.



That was exactly my point. Allen should have been the one calling The Chin. The fact that he didn't (combined with history) makes me feel Allen is just doing Snyders bidding. - which is fishy.

It could just be an erroneous report and Cowher is no more interested in the job than he was before. If thats the case, then Shanahan is the best we can get.[/quote]Perhaps Cowher is interested in one of our assistants? Like SS said, he is meeting with the Bills today. I think this is his second round of talks with them. Maybe he is asking about the availbility of one of our coaches that is currently under contract?

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[quote=SmootSmack;650281]You don't know that he called to inquire about the HC position. You just know that they reportedly spoke to each other

Cowher incidentally is reportedly scheduled to meet with the Bills again.[/quote]

Meaning Fox is getting an extension in Carolina?

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[quote=Buster;650362]Meaning Fox is getting an extension in Carolina?[/quote]The last I heard, it was no extention, but he can coach out the last year of his contract.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650348]Why else would he call?

Read the thing about the Bills job too. Lucky Bills.[/quote]

Could have been various reasons

-Following up on our conversation just wanted to let you know I'm not interested for sure

-How much money are we talking (so he could use that as leverage elsewhere)

-Did you see Brothers and Sister last night? Holy shit I wasn't expecting that to happen

-Look I'm thinking of taking the Bills job and I'm putting my staff together. I know you've worked with so and so. What can you tell me about him?

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[quote=gibbsisgod;650366]The last I heard, it was no extention, but he can coach out the last year of his contract.[/quote]

Right. And Fox might still say no to that.

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i wouldn't mind him here as D.C but that's probably not going to happen

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Cowher calling to ask about some of our staff seems more likely than discussing the vacant HC position. Me may be interested in Gray, Polermo, or someone else.


Also, news reports also revealed the fact that half of what was wrong between Shanahan and the Bills job was that Shanahan wanted the Bills to bring in Allen as the GM with him. Well DS got wind of that one, probably from talking with Shanahan himself, and went in and hired Allen in order to get Shanahan. We effectively hired Shanahan around week 13.

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Man, Allen must be pissed that Snyder did this. Yikes!

lol

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[quote=Mattyk;650177]I don't believe there has ever been any significant interest from Cowher in coaching the Redskins.[/quote]haha yeah, people are acting like we can pick up coaches draft-style or something

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Sounds like Allen is involved to me:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4795477]Mike Shanahan and Washington Redskins working on contract - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE]Allen had interviewed Shanahan via phone Monday morning, a source close to the situation told Schefter. The Redskins and Shanahan reportedly began talks last month, a day after Allen was hired.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=tryfuhl;650415]haha yeah, people are acting like we can pick up coaches draft-style or something[/quote]

We should draft the ghost of Curly Lambeau with our #4 pick.

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OMG! I'm amazed at the turn this topic has taken, seriously wow. So does it really f'n matter if Snyder or Allen 'picked' shanahan?! Is he a great choice or isn't he? Does he have what it takes to win? Does he have a proven track record? Does he a big fat ring? I feel like some of the comments here are pissing and moaning just to be pissing and moaning. Seriously I don't get it.

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I dont care who hires him him, if we have Shanny Jr. as OC, Zimmer as DC, and hopefully Bobby April coaching Special Teams, if its Snyder or not, what is there to complain about.

Try using more commas than that!

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Brian Mitchell said it best. Snyder will no longer be handd on but that doesnt mean he wont be finger on. He'll always be involved.

That isnt such a bad thing.

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[quote=GreekSkin;650566]Brian Mitchell said it best. Snyder will no longer be handd on but that doesnt mean he wont be finger on. He'll always be involved.

That isnt such a bad thing.[/quote]

He's the freaking owner. As other people have said it, all owners are involved in some way, shape or form. People need to just get over it.