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[quote=Redskin301;656366]He's a RFA if thers no CBA[/quote]I know, that's why I said "at most, a year."

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;656372]I know, that's why I said "at most, a year."[/quote]

That shoud be more attractive to teams that he has no big contract

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;656369]If that is what you call it and if you ignore all of the rest of the parts of the deal that went down, [B]that is a good indication as to why there aren't a half-dozen NFL teams knocking down your doors to make you their Director of Player Personnel or their GM.[/B]


It was [B]NEVER[/B] a choice of Cutler/Campbell/Orton. If it were that simple, Danny Boy would have bid higher in terms of money for the three of them and gotten Orotn - - whom the Skins lusted after - - than the notoriously cheap Bears. This was a deal that Danny Boy's money could not make all by itself.[/quote]

so, have you sued those bastards for knocking yours down.

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[quote=Ruhskins;656345]You mean our tight end who had a foot injury? Solid.

I still think this whole "let's trade Cooley" thing is laughable. Just as laughable as the notion of drafting a QB with a twice-injured shoulder with the #4.[/quote]

Cc is a 2 time PB player so yea I think ee could get picks for him. As far as Bradford goes, he is still projected as the number 1 qb, so it wouldn't be so dumb to draft him . You can have jc who has a horrible record

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[quote=Ruhskins;656345]You mean our tight end who had a foot injury? Solid.

I still think this whole "let's trade Cooley" thing is laughable. Just as laughable as the notion of drafting a QB with a twice-injured shoulder with the #4.[/quote]

If NE can get a 1st for Seymour we can get at least a 2nd for Cooley. There will be a team that drafts Bradford/McCoy/Clausen and they will look for a reliable target for him to grow with. ala Falcons.

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Jason Campbell and trade value in the same sentence?

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[quote=hooskins;656384]Jason Campbell and trade value in the same sentence?

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LOL good one.

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Ha HA......I think some people underestimate the skills of Jason Campbell.....

2009 NFL Free Agents


Top Quarterbacks
Age as of 9/1/10. All free agents listed here are done so with an optimistic outlook that a new CBA will be agreed upon. Accordingly, only four accrued seasons are necessary to obtain an Unrestricted Free Agency status on this list.

Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (27)
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (28) [/COLOR]
Chad Pennington, Miami Dolphins (34)
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (27)
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (27)

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Out of that short list I'd take Pennington over the rest in a heartbeat assuming his shoulder is rehabbed. Dude is the most accurate passer in pro football. For the WCO...lots of quick passes in the 10 to 25 yard range it's hard to think of a better fit.

I'd very much like to see Shanny dump JC, grab Pennington for our vet QB to start the season, and then start developing someone younger.

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[quote=WaldSkins;656279]I like how everyone is answering that JC has zero trade value and yet it seems that everyone wants to keep him as our starting QB.:laughing-[/quote]

I think there's a difference between trade value and actual value. Based on how he's played and how other teams would perceive him, I think it would be hard to argue that he should fetch a high pick. On the other hand, I believe that if given a good line he would be a serviceable starting QB in the league. So therefore, I both think that he has little-to-no trade value AND would like him to be our starting QB for the next couple years.

Trade value is all about perception. For example, in Week 1 of 2001, you could probably have gotten Tom Brady for a 6th or 7th rounder. Ditto for Tony Romo through 2005. Today, they are both probably untradeable. Exact same QB, vastly different perceptions around the league at those different points in time. Thus, it is perception, not actual talent, that drives trade value.

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[quote=The Goat;656395]Out of that short list I'd take Pennington over the rest in a heartbeat assuming his shoulder is rehabbed. Dude is the most accurate passer in pro football. For the WCO...lots of quick passes in the 10 to 25 yard range it's hard to think of a better fit.

I'd very much like to see Shanny dump JC, [B]grab Pennington for our vet QB to start the season, and then start developing someone younger.[/B][/quote]

I agree with this part, though rather than dump JC, I would tender him at a 2nd round rate. He clearly has the statistics to be valued at that point, and there are several teams who will dismiss his play here as the result of Redskins mis-management, a fact I am sure his agent would make quite eloquently.
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I would be happy with using that 2nd round pick to get a young qb, and have Pennington, and Brennan in camp. Collins ought to be let go also. We would still have our 1st and 2nd to address the OL. This would be a good solution to me.

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[quote=Ruhskins;656282]It's going to be hard to trade anyone with the possibility of a work stoppage in 2011. Furthermore, Campbell is the best option right now until we can develop a QB or until we have a team good enough that a rookie can come in and have success (like Flacco or Sanchez).[/quote]

I agree, there are so many intangibles' involved as far as long range planning is concerned because of the uncertainty surrounding the status of a CBA.

I've said it before, Jason Campbell is one of the most difficult QB's to evaluate mainly because of the many unsettling circumstances within the teams framework that make a fair and unbiased evaluation virtually impossible. One cannot argue that his numbers have improved each year he has been the starting QB, and there has to be some value in progress. I don't think they will trade Campbell even if it is their intention to draft a QB for the future. Despite Campbells' shortcomings, he does have value if you look at his numbers in comparison. Speculation will continue to run rampant however until the draft, free agency and all other pre-season evaluations have been exhausted.

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[quote=The Goat;656395]Out of that short list I'd take Pennington over the rest in a heartbeat assuming his shoulder is rehabbed. Dude is the most accurate passer in pro football. For the WCO...lots of quick passes in the 10 to 25 yard range it's hard to think of a better fit.

I'd very much like to see Shanny dump JC, grab Pennington for our vet QB to start the season, and then start developing someone younger.[/quote]

Ugh say hello to Brunell 2.0 if that were to happen. He's accurate because he rarely throws the ball beyond 10 yards. Might as well stick with our own guy who's shown he can dump the ball off, at least JC can scramble now and then too.

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[quote=Mattyk;656477]Ugh say hello to Brunell 2.0 if that were to happen. He's accurate because he rarely throws the ball beyond 10 yards. Might as well stick with our own guy who's shown he can dump the ball off, at least JC can scramble now and then too.[/quote]

Jason also has the mobility to execute the boot-leg and waggle plays Shanahan is noted for. Get the QB out on the edge as opposed to being a stationary target taking a pounding.

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[quote=The Goat;656395]Out of that short list I'd take Pennington over the rest in a heartbeat assuming his shoulder is rehabbed. Dude is the most accurate passer in pro football. For the WCO...lots of quick passes in the 10 to 25 yard range it's hard to think of a better fit.

I'd very much like to see Shanny dump JC, grab Pennington for our vet QB to start the season, and then start developing someone younger.[/quote]

Tooooooo many injury issues with Pennington at this point. JC IMO is our best option at this point. Im for drafting a QB to let him learn under Shanny system, while at the sametime seeing what JC has in Shanny's offense. We are not in position to challenge for a playoff spot next year, lets just playout JC and build a good O line next year

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[quote=Chico23231;656481]Tooooooo many injury issues with Pennington at this point. JC IMO is our best option at this point. Im for drafting a QB to let him learn under Shanny system, while at the sametime seeing what JC has in Shanny's offense. We are not in position to challenge for a playoff spot next year, lets just playout JC and build a good O line next year[/quote]

Agreed, too many holes to fill in one off-season, therefore putting our priorities in order is essential. Now, if we're fortunate enough to be able to get a good young QB for future development and fix the O-line simultaneously I'm all for it, but I'm not in favor of putting a Sanchez type behind an ineffective offensive line.

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First of all, the CBA is not going to be extended and Campbell will not be a free agent, so we can easily keep him in DC.

I don't think Pennington has EVER been a WCO quarterback. he's old and he wasn't that good in Miami before he got hurt. I'd rather Tavaris Jackson than Pennington and thats saying alot, because I don't like Jackson at all.

Unless a team is willing to give up a 2nd rounder for Campbell, then we would be foolish to trade him. He has two years of WCO experience and while no one really beleives he is the long term answer, he's the best QB on that list. As far as guys not on the list, if we did trade Campbell, i'd say Jeff Garcia (or even Jake Plummer) would be good pickups to start for a bit while a rookie QB develops.

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[quote=WaldSkins;656279]I like how everyone is answering that JC has zero trade value and yet it seems that everyone wants to keep him as our starting QB.:laughing-[/quote]

Who wants to keep him as our starter? If your refering to the Poll on him I think it was kinda skewed the way the question was asked. It simply stated do you want to keep JC. I said yes cause I think we need a viable back up. Collins is too old. Now do you think JC see's himself as a viable back up? No, which is why I think will leave.

The only way I see him staying is if Shanahan tells all the QB's there will be an open camp and whoever takes it is the #1 QB. JC might be interested enought know Shanahan is going to give him a fair shake and want to stay knowing Shanahan is a good HC. But I still think if he (JC) gets the idea he's not going to be the #1 QB he will test the open market to see if he's going to be a #1 elsewhere.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;656331]Anthony Aldridge? WTF are you guys saying? Your basically saying he is our answer at RB LOL[/quote]

Never know in Shanahan's system. Shanahan had the Skins retaine Anthony so apparently Shanahan likes him.

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Sorry, forgot about he no CBA issue so JC leaving is a moot point I think. Most likely the team will retain him until Shanahan can get "his" QB up to speed with playing in the NFL. I still think JC is the back up next year but could be starter until the teams "franchise QB" is ready.

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[quote=SBXVII;656493]Never know in Shanahan's system. Shanahan had the Skins retaine Anthony so apparently Shanahan likes him.[/quote]

Without knowing a lot about the guy, everybody's so down on the guy because he's exhibited a bad habbit of fumbling. It's a problem that can be corrected, and one not uncommon to some players in the league. Adrian Peterson (for example) a franchise back has had problems with the issue. Once Aldridge overcomes the problem, I'd like to see what else he has to offer when given ample opportunity.

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Matt Hasselbeck just dropped a "keep it medium" on NFL Live. Still no clue what that means.

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I'll take a wild guess and say it means: Don't get too high, don't get too low.

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Going by Seattle and Washington's records, I'm going to say it means, don't expect too much and.........don't expect too much.

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[quote=53Fan;656888]Going by Seattle and Washington's records, I'm going to say it means, don't expect too much and.........don't expect too much.[/quote]

Would you say it's a philosophy used primarily to keep the emotions in check? It's a good principle to utilize in an effort to monitor run-away expectations and to dull the thud of depression when those expectations are not met to our satisfaction.

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If Hasselbeck is released, do we take a chance on him? as a good stopgap to bridge the gap until a young QB is deemed ready?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;656894]If Hasselbeck is released, do we take a chance on him? as a good stopgap to bridge the gap until a young QB is deemed ready?[/quote]

He was pretty aweful this year. Id say no at this point.

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I think Hasselbeck's days as a starter are over.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;656894]If Hasselbeck is released, do we take a chance on him? as a good stopgap to bridge the gap until a young QB is deemed ready?[/quote]

I'd rather keep a healthy Campbell than an injury prone Hasselbeck. If he was healthy yes (as long as it doesn't cost us an arm and a leg), but he's basically on his way out.

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This is assuming Campbell doesn't win the job in training camp, and isn't released/traded before then...

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Shanahan's not going to trade/release Campbell without having a very good idea who his starter will be.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;656916]Shanahan's not going to trade/release Campbell without having a very good idea who his starter will be.[/quote]

I agree....And I'm also curious to know what his eventual opinion will be of Colt Brennan. We know what the Zorn administration had to say, but I never trusted their ability to make proper evaluations of players.

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JC is better than Hasslebeck. Keep Jc, draft a decent newbie and play it out. Flip the script with JC playing the role of Brunell and the newbie being the understudy til Shanny deems him ready.

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[URL="http://tiny.cc/INH9V"]Orton is better than JC[/URL]? Really?

Your pants are on the ground!

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Anyone who argues that JC has no value is a moron. IMO.

He isn't a great quarterback, far from it, but he has a plus NFL arm, very good character, is very mobile when used correctly and has been battle tested.

Half the qb's in this upcoming draft will shit themselves every single time they step on the NFL stage. They will be eaten alive. JC has been in the fight. He is tough as hell.

JC clearly has problems breaking down certain coverage schemes at NFL speed, but there are maybe ten or twelve quarterbacks on the planet who can do that trick very well.

Give the guy a year to work with this particular coach and his offensive minded son/ or trade him for a third and a sixth.

There are teams that will give us draft picks for JC, but not really good picks and that's why I argue that we keep him!

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[quote=saden1;657111][URL="http://tiny.cc/INH9V"]Orton is better than JC[/URL]? Really?

Your pants are on the ground![/quote]

well he threw for more tds and has a better passer rating! :laughing2

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[quote=saden1;657111][URL="http://tiny.cc/INH9V"]Orton is better than JC[/URL]? Really?

Your pants are on the ground![/quote]

pwned

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Honestly i think theyre both comparable players at this point... although Campbell has more experience.

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[quote=wilsowilso;657112]
Give the guy a year to work with this particular coach and his offensive minded son/ or trade him for a third and a sixth.

There are teams that will give us draft picks for JC, but not really good picks and that's why I argue that we keep him![/quote]

Buffalo would probably be in the market but I don't wish that on anyone, even though I'd grade JC a C- on his football skillz, the dude get an A+ for character, and I 'd like to see him go somewhere more stable.

There are a few more teams I can think of, Carolina/KC(if they can unload Cassel)/Seattle?/Browns/Cardinals(if KW retires)/Rams(if Bulger retires)/Tampa/Da Raiders... wow this list keeps getting longer the more I think of teams with QB issues. I couldn't imagine trading for picks unless we got at least a 2. Otherwise keep him for a year and draft a QB in the 4th.

Okung for LT in 2010!

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[quote=Longtimefan;656997]I agree....And I'm also curious to know what his eventual opinion will be of Colt Brennan. We know what the Zorn administration had to say, but I never trusted their ability to make proper evaluations of players.[/quote]

If Shanahan saw something in Colt and/or Campbell that he could work with, that would be phenomenal. I really really really don't want us to have to use our #4 pick on a QB.