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[quote=rao2;657146]switch 1st round pick with buffalo at 9 and also get their second round pick over all number 41 and with the 9th pick select Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers[/quote]

If Gailey's top priority is finding a franchise QB and the guy he wants is still on the board at #4, I think we could rip the Bills for more than just #9 and #41. We should demand their third round pick as well. The chance to draft a franchise QB demands a premium.

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[quote=skins89moss;657135]I think it depends on Jarmons ability to drop in coverage and lateral quickness to move to LB in the 3-4. He would need to drop down around 260 and he might benefit with some added quickness. [B]In the 3-4 is London a good fit a the ILB spot[/B][B]?[/B][/quote]

On paper, no. But I would expect that he could make the transition if he must. London Fletcher is a great player. I would expect him to play well in any system.

Also, it's hard to replace the on-field leadership he provides, so I'd expect that the Redskins would want him to stay with them as a 3-4 ILB. But I wouldn't be totally shocked if he asked to be traded if the Skins drop the 4-3 as their base set. That's because he's always been a MLB in a 4-3 defense and [U]he[/U] may not be comfortable in making the transition this late in his career.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;656455]Jarmon weighs 274, they said the main thing he needed to do was bulk up, because his bench press was very weak. that says to me that he could easily get to the 280s. I think hr could be a good fit as a DE in a 3-4.[/quote]

Most 3-4 ends weigh about 300 pounds. I think it would be a lot to ask Jarmon to add 15-25 pounds. Also, if he wasn't considered strong for a 4-3 end, he'd be considered a weakling as a 3-4 end.

He's much closer in size to a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 end.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;657197][B]On paper, no. But I would expect that he could make the transition if he must. London Fletcher is a great player. I would expect him to play well in any system.[/B]

Also, it's hard to replace the on-field leadership he provides, so I'd expect that the Redskins would want him to stay with them as a 3-4 ILB. But I wouldn't be totally shocked if he asked to be traded if the Skins drop the 4-3 as their base set. That's because he's always been a MLB in a 4-3 defense and [U]he[/U] may not be comfortable in making the transition this late in his career.[/quote]

Good point. Small ILB's usually don't project well in the 3-4, but there's a difference between "small" and "short". With his weight and tenacity I would imagine he'd play well. As you mentioned, whether he'd want to or not is another question.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;657049]If the Skins go to a 3-4 defense, the real question might be if Jarmon can play linebacker in that defense. He would have good size and skills for that position. For example, the starting OLB's in the Ravens' 3-4 defense are Jarret Johnson at 6-3, 265 and Terrell Suggs at 6-3, 260.[/quote]

I do not believe that he can convert. Like I have said before he has the potential to be a good DE in the 4-3 but he serves no purpose in the 3-4. He is too small to play DE and does [B]not[/B] posess the natural skills to play LB.

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I like like Buffalo Scenario too: Here's my draft if that happens

1st round#9 Rolando McClain* ILB 6'4" 248 Alabama (Too good at 9 to pass up. Especially if we are going 3-4)
2nd Round#37 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho
2nd Round#41 Kyle Calloway OT 6'7" 318 Iowa
4th Round#101 Dan LeFevour QB 6'3" 226 Central Michigan
5th Round#132 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
7th Round#196 Tony Washington OT 6'7" 300 Abilene Christian

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[quote=skinsfan242;657281]I like like Buffalo Scenario too: Here's my draft if that happens

1st round#9 Rolando McClain* ILB 6'4" 248 Alabama (Too good at 9 to pass up. Especially if we are going 3-4)
2nd Round#37 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho
2nd Round#41 Kyle Calloway OT 6'7" 318 Iowa
4th Round#101 Dan LeFevour QB 6'3" 226 Central Michigan
5th Round#132 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
7th Round#196 Tony Washington OT 6'7" 300 Abilene Christian[/quote]

I love that draft, especially the first two picks

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Right now, I would go with Okung in the first (the day-one type LT), and I would go defense in the second. There are some really intriguing prospects that should be available with the 37th overall picks, including Brandon Spikes, including Jason Pierre-Paul, including Devin McCourty and/or Patrick Robinson. That's just the way this appears to be shaping up.

This course of action still allows the Redskins to use the 4th and 5th round to grab a quarterback and another offensive lineman to help the offense out.

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Trade down get an extra draft pick and and address the these needs (BPA):


(1) OT-Bruce Campbell OT Maryland
(1) OG/OT-Mike Iupati, Idaho OG/OT
(2) DT/NT-Terrence Cody, Alabama
(3) QB- Colt McCoy
(4) RB/KR/PR-Joe McKnight (USC)/ Noel Divine (WVU)
(5) ILB Boris Lee (Troy)
(6) RB-LaMarus Coker (Howard)
(7) DB-Brian Jackson (Oklahoma) others 7th rounders or UDFA DBs

Traye Simmons, Minnesota
Height: 5-11. Weight: 178.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.

Brandon Brinkley, Houston
Height: 6-0. Weight: 180.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.

Chris Chancellor, Clemson
Height: 5-10. Weight: 173.
Projected 40 Time: 4.42.

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Remember Tracy porter ran a slow 40yd dash, look at him now.

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[quote=skinsfan242;657281]I like like Buffalo Scenario too: Here's my draft if that happens

1st round#9 Rolando McClain* ILB 6'4" 248 Alabama (Too good at 9 to pass up. Especially if we are going 3-4)
[B]2nd Round#37 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho [/B]
2nd Round#41 Kyle Calloway OT 6'7" 318 Iowa
4th Round#101 Dan LeFevour QB 6'3" 226 Central Michigan
5th Round#132 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
7th Round#196 Tony Washington OT 6'7" 300 Abilene Christian[/quote]

Don't like the idea of a mauler that holds and can't get to the second level while blocking. We already have that type in Dockery, though Dockery ironically might be a little bit better at moving this point in his career.

[quote]Can improve his angles as a blocker. Struggles a bit when asked to reach LBs on the second-level but is very effective when working in confined space. He shows some great initial pop and works hard to sustain.[/quote]

If we ran a power running scheme he would be a great fit. However if he comes here we'll be asking him to take precise angles and eventually reach the linebackers in the interest of breaking big runs. These are not his strong suits. By the way Derrick Dockery might need to loose 10-20 pounds this offseason.

I also don't think Tony Washington will be available in the 7th round. We would however be very fortunate if fell to the fourth. LeFevoure reminds me a little of Kevin Kolb a few years ago and I think it's very possible that a team, including us, could take him in the second round. I like Ronaldo, I think he's going to be one of the better LB's this decade, but we need offense so much that it would be impractical to take him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661573]Don't like the idea of a mauler that holds and can't get to the second level while blocking. We already have that type in Dockery, though Dockery ironically might be a little bit better at moving this point in his career.



If we ran a power running scheme he would be a great fit. However if he comes here we'll be asking him to take precise angles and eventually reach the linebackers in the interest of breaking big runs. These are not his strong suits. By the way Derrick Dockery might need to loose 10-20 pounds this offseason.

I also don't think Tony Washington will be available in the 7th round. We would however be very fortunate if fell to the fourth. LeFevoure reminds me a little of Kevin Kolb a few years ago and I think it's very possible that a team, including us, could take him in the second round. [B]I like Ronaldo, I think he's going to be one of the better LB's this decade, but we need offense so much that it would be impractical to take him.[/B][/quote]

I don't think we should take him at #4 necessarilly, but I disagree that it would be impractical to take him w/our 1st round pick. Whether 3-4 or 4-3, we're going to need an ILB or MLB. Fletcher probably has 1 more year. LB has been a position of need for a few years, though not as much so as O line.

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This is a bad year to be picking in the top four unless you're looking for a defensive superstar.

Okung should still be the pick if he's available. If he's not, you pretty much have to decide between taking the top quarterback on your board, or taking an elite linebacker, corner, or safety. That's not an ideal choice for a team that is weakest at RB, OL, and WR, but that's how the draft position dictates the pick.

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They're going to trade down and get CJ Spiller.

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^ they as in us? Right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;661673]They're going to trade down and get CJ Spiller.[/quote]

do you think someone will be willing to trade into the top 5, if so who and why. and why do hyou think we would go after spiller? shanny has proven he can use pretty much anyone in his system and have them turn out yards.

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[quote=mlmdub130;661720]do you think someone will be willing to trade into the top 5, if so who and why. and why do hyou think we would go after spiller? shanny has proven he can use pretty much anyone in his system and have them turn out yards.[/quote]

Well if Bradford and/or Clause are available at #4 I'm sure they will be a lot of takers.

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^^or eric berry

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I would rather have Joe Haden then Eric Berry

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^ I'm talking about teams that would want Eric Berry who would trade up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;661673]They're going to trade down and get CJ Spiller.[/quote]

I have to ask: is that based on what you have heard around the park or just your personal opinion?

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[quote=SmootSmack;661673]They're going to trade down and get CJ Spiller.[/quote]

I don't think you understand. Vinny resigned......right?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661777]I don't think you understand. Vinny resigned......right?[/quote]

Nah, to me a Vinny/Snyder move would be trading the #4 for Brandon Marshall. LOL.

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[quote=skinsfan242;656315]Trade the 4th Pick to the Patriots for the 22nd, 42nd, and 48th. Doubt they do that but would be great!!

We trade 1800 points for 1680 so the Patriots get a deal and we get what we want. 4 Picks in the top 48!!!

22nd we take: Brian Bulaga*OT6'6"312Iowa
37th we Take: Colt McCoyQB6'3"205Texas
42nd we take: Toby GerhartRB6'1"235Stanford
48th we take: Jason FoxOT6'7"314Miami
111 we take: Sergio RenderOG6'3"320Virginia Tech


Thought? Comments?[/quote]

Toby Gerhart? are wishing for John Riggins to walk through those door's, toby gerhart, is some superstar running backs, blocker... HE IS NOT A STAR RUNNING BACK I THE NFL. Wow Gerhart?

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Here's a kiper thought on Sam Bradford to the Skins I just read.
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Kiper's Mel BagThe Giants' first pick, a QB for Carolina, Bradford to the Skins, Tebow and moreEmail Share By Mel Kiper
ESPN Insider
Archive
I couldn't get to the -- literally -- thousands of questions that filled the mailbag, but I tried to hit a pretty wide range here, from questions about possible inconsistencies in where I have guys rated to direct personnel needs to why the Giants could somehow land a running back in Round 1. And yes, I even explain why Tim Tebow could land in the second round. (Not that he belongs there, but hear me out.)


Anyway, on to the 'bag.



Q: For much of the season, you had Jimmy Clausen as your No. 4 prospect on the Big Board, ahead of Sam Bradford. But then you have the Skins taking Bradford with the No. 4 pick. I realize the Skins have mismanaged the draft for years, but they have done fairly well in the first round. Are you projecting the Skins to make a mistake by taking Bradford, or do you just think he's the guy who will fit well with Mike Shanahan?

-- James (Washington, D.C.)


A: The reason I projected Bradford to land with the Redskins at No. 4 has nothing to do with where he had been rated. I should be clear on this: It's my assumption that his shoulder will check out well, and based on what I've heard, I've actually moved him just ahead of Clausen on my board. All things equal, I think Bradford is the better player, and I even had him as the top player on the board last year. So I put him there with the belief that he'll be fine.


The early reports we've gotten say he'll be fine, and he's consulted with Dr. James Andrews. His draft grade now reflects what we're hearing. So it's really a case of assuming where I believe he'll be. The Big Board is a week-to-week thing. Bottom line is he's an exceptional talent and would be a fit for the Redskins at No. 4. I also could note that Clausen had toe surgery and won't throw for a while too, but I think he'll recover just fine.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661798]Here's a kiper thought on Sam Bradford to the Skins I just read.
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Kiper's Mel BagThe Giants' first pick, a QB for Carolina, Bradford to the Skins, Tebow and moreEmail Share By Mel Kiper
ESPN Insider
Archive
I couldn't get to the -- literally -- thousands of questions that filled the mailbag, but I tried to hit a pretty wide range here, from questions about possible inconsistencies in where I have guys rated to direct personnel needs to why the Giants could somehow land a running back in Round 1. And yes, I even explain why Tim Tebow could land in the second round. (Not that he belongs there, but hear me out.)


Anyway, on to the 'bag.



Q: For much of the season, you had Jimmy Clausen as your No. 4 prospect on the Big Board, ahead of Sam Bradford. But then you have the Skins taking Bradford with the No. 4 pick. I realize the Skins have mismanaged the draft for years, but they have done fairly well in the first round. Are you projecting the Skins to make a mistake by taking Bradford, or do you just think he's the guy who will fit well with Mike Shanahan?

-- James (Washington, D.C.)


A: The reason I projected Bradford to land with the Redskins at No. 4 has nothing to do with where he had been rated. I should be clear on this: It's my assumption that his shoulder will check out well, and based on what I've heard, I've actually moved him just ahead of Clausen on my board. All things equal, I think Bradford is the better player, and I even had him as the top player on the board last year. So I put him there with the belief that he'll be fine.


The early reports we've gotten say he'll be fine, and he's consulted with Dr. James Andrews. His draft grade now reflects what we're hearing. So it's really a case of assuming where I believe he'll be. The Big Board is a week-to-week thing. Bottom line is he's an exceptional talent and would be a fit for the Redskins at No. 4. I also could note that Clausen had toe surgery and won't throw for a while too, but I think he'll recover just fine.[/quote]

I really wish that these mock drafts would focus on what the teams actually need. I know that the Redskins have had a HORRIBLE draft history , but all these mock drafts (including now) start with "Dan Snyder likes to draft QBs..." or "Since Snyder tried to get rid of Campbell last year..."

Honestly, I wish one of these mock drafts would say something along the lines of "The Redskins had a horrible offensive line, and while they will probably go QB, they SHOULD take a tackle."

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[quote=GridIron26;661752]I have to ask: is that based on what you have heard around the park or just your personal opinion?[/quote]

Neither, really. I just kind of threw it out there for the fun of it. It's too early to get any clear ideas from inside Redskin Park. I mean you hear about people they're interested in but still too early to make such sense out of it. I know that both Shanahans like Spiller and think he'd be a nice fit for their offense, but they're very, very unlikely to take him at #4.

I'm really not sure what the plans are right now, to be honest. And really, anyone who tells you they do isn't telling you the truth. This isn't like last year.

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Smootsmack, since you work with ESPN, can you ask Kiper and McShay why the Skins fans should want Bradford since some say Bradfords in a QB friendly offense. Also can you ask Kiper if he's jewish, yes I know its a random question but my neighbor and I were having this debate about him being jewish, but my neighbors reasoning says he looks like a lawyer, so therefore he must be jewish which I say has nothing to do with that, but to end this debate would you ask him that aswell. Thank you.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661945]Smootsmack, since you work with ESPN, can you ask Kiper and McShay why the Skins fans should want Bradford since some say Bradfords in a QB friendly offense. Also can you ask Kiper if he's jewish, yes I know its a random question but my neighbor and I were having this debate about him being jewish, but my neighbors reasoning says he looks like a lawyer, so therefore he must be jewish which I say has nothing to do with that, but to end this debate would you ask him that aswell. Thank you.[/quote]

Kiper's been pretty public about why the Skins fans should want Bradford. Intelligent, accurate, underrated arm, etc. I think McShay has said similar stuff, can't recall right now. I never see Kiper, McShay I haven't seen since CFB ended.

He's Jewish because he looks like a lawyer? Interesting...

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/09/shanahan-planning-to-take-a-quarterback-at-no-4/]Shanahan planning to take a quarterback at No. 4? | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Skinny Tee;661964][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/09/shanahan-planning-to-take-a-quarterback-at-no-4/]Shanahan planning to take a quarterback at No. 4? | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

Bradford is the most commonly referred to choice. But don't discount the possibility that he'll take a QB in the 4th or 5th round to develop. Someone who's stock has plummeted this year, yet at his best has shown the abilities to be someone Shanahan can mold into a top QB in a couple of years.

No question the Redskins are drafting a QB, no guarantee it will be in the first round.

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[quote=SmootSmack;661966]Bradford is the most commonly referred to choice. But don't discount the possibility that he'll take a QB in the 4th or 5th round to develop. Someone who's stock has plummeted this year, yet at his best has shown the abilities to be someone Shanahan can mold into a top QB in a couple of years.

No question the Redskins are drafting a QB, no guarantee it will be in the first round.[/quote]

i heard somewhere that shanahan has an immense amount of confidence in his coaching abilities and drafts players based on their best attributes, while "ignoring" some of their defficiences, because he beleives he can coach them up to be their best all of the time. Its still too early to tell definatively, but he certainly got more out of Jay Cutler than anyone else. That, combined with everything i continue to hear about the QB class, makes me hope with some amount of confidence that we won't take a QB at 4.

I love envisioning trade-down scenarios, but those are just too unpredictable. Assuming we don't make any trades, here's my "Dream Draft" atleast at this early stage in the game:

[B]1st Round - Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers [/B]- He's currently the #2/#3 OT on most boards, but he has tremendous upside and could easily surpass Okung and Williams as the draft approaches. Regardless, if we stay at 4, i'm hoping we take the best OT on our board (unless Suh or G McCoy happen to fall. At that point, its a no-brainer that we take either of them)

[B]2nd Round - Tim Tebow, QB, Florida[/B] - I know Tebow is pretty raw, but remember what I said about Shanahan drafting based on seeing what a player can do at his best. And before anyone says there's no way we should take Tebow this high - If Devin Thomas was worth taking in the top of the 2nd, Tebow most definately worth the risk. The potential is there. He wouldn't start for atleast 2 years, but could be used situationaly immediately. If Tebow is gone (and I think he probably will be), i'd take Ciron Black, the OT from LSU.

[B]4th Round - RB we've never heard of - [/B] You know we're taking one in the 4th.

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Not to say, YES the REDSKINS SHOULD ABSOLUTELY TAKE TEBOW, or even that they should at all, but the only teams who fit the Tebow profile are teams on offense that 1) are in complete rebuilding and can do completely gimmicky stuff in order to get offensive production out of 11 guys who are essentially system players, and 2) teams with excellent structure and continuity already in place.

I don't know if the Redskins fall in either of those categories, but if we're absolutely determined to spend a top 40 pick on a QB, then we might as well be in full on rebuilding mode. We don't have very many useful parts at critical skill positions.

Shanahan probably isn't gimmicky enough to tolerate Tebow though, so the point is moot. You'd probably have to build primarily from a college playbook to make option 1) work. Option 2) sort of makes itself work.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661945]Smootsmack, since you work with ESPN, can you ask Kiper and McShay why the Skins fans should want Bradford since some say Bradfords in a QB friendly offense. Also can you ask Kiper if he's jewish, yes I know its a random question but my neighbor and I were having this debate about him being jewish, but my neighbors reasoning says he looks like a lawyer, so therefore he must be jewish which I say has nothing to do with that, but to end this debate would you ask him that aswell. Thank you.[/quote]Kiper is a Polish Catholic, raised in Baltimore.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;662007]Kiper is a Polish Catholic, raised in Baltimore.[/quote]

Thats what I was saying, thank you for your clarification

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[quote=SmootSmack;661966]Bradford is the most commonly referred to choice. But don't discount the possibility that he'll take a QB in the 4th or 5th round to develop. Someone who's stock has plummeted this year, yet at his best has shown the abilities to be someone Shanahan can mold into a top QB in a couple of years.

No question the Redskins are drafting a QB, no guarantee it will be in the first round.[/quote]

Are we talking Tafka, Lefevour, Robinson?

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My list:

1st: Russell Okung OT Eric Berry FS Bryan Bulaga OT Bruce Campbell OT

2nd: Terrance Cody NT Mike Johnson OG Anthony Dixon RB Toby Gerhardt RB

4th:Tony Pike QB Zane Beadles OG Matt Tenant C Major Wright FS

5th: Lendrick Lewis FS Nate Allen FS

7th: Cody Grimm ST

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(Trade w/Buffalo Bills so they can get Clausen or Bradford) add 2nd Round #41

1st round #8 OT Anthony Davis

2nd Round #37 OT Bruce Campbell (i doubt he will fall to us but he has bad tape out there so if he did that would give us prob the two most athletic Tackles in the draft to run the Zone Blocking Scheme) if not him If not him then OT Jared Veldheer (hope his short arms arent a problem) or OT Jason Fox (needs to get meaner)

2nd Round #41 CB Chris Cook (6'2" 212 physical corner, who is also great against the run and ended up running a faster 40 then anticipated. Good to have physical corners in a 3-4who can press)

(Trade Carlos Rogers to the Lions/Rams/Texans for a 3rd) (Tired of listening to him Run his mouth without backing it up with play. He didnt even try last year cuz he was unhappy and with the tender, hes gonna be unhappy again this year)

3rd Round RB Montario Hardesty (if we can trade with Lions or Rams, if we trade with Texans Hardesty prolly wont be there anymore n in that case RB Ben Tate (not a big Tate fan but we need a RB here)

4th Round#101 FS Kam Chancellor or FS Terrell Skinner (Two local guys that we have prolly scouted extensively. Whichever one of these guys is available here in this order. Let one of these guys go into training camp n battle with Kareem Moore for the starting FS spot, if they lose then they would still be solid special teams players. Whatever it takes to get Laron Landry back to SS)

5th Round#132 OG Marshall Newhouse or OG Ciron Black (competition at the RG spot) or OT Ed Wang (can be coached up)

7th Round#196 DE Clifton Geathers ( 6'7" 300lbs. A good run stuffing 3-4 DE, needs work but what 7th rounder doesnt (excluding marques colston lol) Can swallow up defenders and be a good contributor in a rotation)

Undrafted Rookies

ILB Lee Campbell 6'3" 250

ILB Clinton Snyder 6'4" 240

DT Travis Ivey 6'4" 340 (like to see him at NT, would even risk grabbin him with the 7th pick if we thought he would get drafted elsewhere)

RB/WR LaMarcus Coker (change of pace back if Alridge doesnt work out, plus he's a KR/PR that we desperately need and has even played receiver, versitile and with so few picks and so many holes, gettin some1 who can wear multiple "hats" would be EXTREMELY benefitial.

QB Sean Canfield (I only put this hear for ppl who think we need to bring in a project QB, but he started this offseason as a 3rd/4th round pick, but now has dropped to a 7th or even undrafted. givin him a chance cant hurt for not giving up a pick at all)

In conclusion, this would be my dream draft lol

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Dream Draft take our 4th pick and trade with Seattle for their 2 1st rd picks then trade are now 6th pick with San Fran for their 2 1st rd picks now we have 3 1st rd picks then i would go OL, OL, & LB

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;671259]Dream Draft take our 4th pick and trade with Seattle for their 2 1st rd picks then trade are now 6th pick with San Fran for their 2 1st rd picks now we have 3 1st rd picks then i would go OL, OL, & LB[/quote]

a dream indeed

there's no way that they'd give up the 6th and 14th pick just for the 4th

I wouldn't think anyways.. it'd def be one balanced towards us

then the 13th and the 17th for the 6th? not likely

you might sucker one of those if they're sold enough on say, Clausen, but you're not duping both I don't think