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[quote=RedskinMike;657674]Here is a list of starting QB's and where they were drafted
1.NO Drew Brees-2nd
2.IND Peyton Manning-1st
3.NE Tom Brady-6th
4.PIT Ben Rothlisberger-1st
5.SD Phillip Rivers-1st
6.ARZ Kurt Warner-undrafted
7.CHI Jay Cutler-1st
8.CIN Carson Palmer-1st
9.NYG Eli Manning-1st
10.SEA Matt Hasselback-6th
11.DAL Tony Romo-undrafted
12.PHI Donovan NcNabb-1st
13.SL Marc Bulger-6th
14.GB Aaron Rogers-1st
15.KC Matt Cassel-7th
16.ATL Matt Ryan-1st
17.CLE Derek Anderson-6th
18.BAL Joe Flacco-1st
19.TEN Kerry Collins-1st
20.HOU Matt Scaub-3rd
21.JAX David Garrard-4th
22.MIA Chad Pennington-1st
23.BUF Trent Edwards-3rd
24.WAS Jason Campbell-1st
25.SF Shaun Hill- undrafted , Alex Smith-1st
26.DET Matthew Stafford-1st
27.CAR Jake Delhomme-undrafted
28.OAK Jamarcus Russell-1st
29.DEN Kyle Orton-4th
30.MIN Bret Farvre-2nd
31.TB Josh Freeman-1st
32.NYJ Mark Sanchez-1st[/quote]

According to this, 14 of the 32 starting QB's were not taken in the first round. With some of the notables being Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Brett Favre. I'm not sure J. Russell should be counted as a starter. Since 2000, 16 out of the 22 Pro Bowl LT's were former 1rst round picks. 5 were 2nd round picks, and only one was undrafted.

What does all this prove?
(a) If you want an elite tackle you should take one in the first round and that you have an almost 50% chance of getting a starting QB after the first round?

(b) Each year should be approached separately depending on who's available no matter what the stats say?

(c) Lately I've had too much time on my hands?

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"Lately I've had too much time on my hands?" haha yeah but something to think about. But look at it this way, how many quarterbacks are usually drafted in the 1st round? 3-6? to say that the odds of finding a starting qb in the first round is 50% doesn't make sense considering so many are drafted that every year there are 2 to 3 starters? nope..

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[quote=rbanerjee23;657704]"Lately I've had too much time on my hands?" haha yeah but something to think about. [B]But look at it this way, how many quarterbacks are usually drafted in the 1st round? 3-6? to say that the odds of finding a starting qb in the first round is 50% doesn't make sense [/B]considering so many are drafted that every year there are 2 to 3 starters? nope..[/quote]

You're right. So the chances of drafting a starting QB in the first round are not very good?

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[quote=53Fan;657705]You're right. So the chances of drafting a starting QB in the first round are not very good?[/quote]

When the only player you have to beat is JC to become a starting QB, i'd say you have a pretty good chance of starting.

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[quote=WaldSkins;657706]When the only player you have to beat is JC to become a starting QB, i'd say you have a pretty good chance of starting.[/quote]

Well if JC is such a bad QB, do you want to spend the #4 pick on someone just because they can beat him out? According to your post, it wouldn't take much of a player to do so.

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[quote=53Fan;657707]Well if JC is such a bad QB, do you want to spend the #4 pick on someone just because they can beat him out?[/quote]

You can spend the 2nd pick on someone to beat him out. I'm still holding out hope for a trade down.

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[quote=WaldSkins;657708]You can spend the 2nd pick on someone to beat him out. [B]I'm still holding out hope for a trade down[/B].[/quote]

We definitely could use more picks. Does anyone remember when we had all our picks? But even without a trade, you could still draft an o-line man at #4 and get a QB later. Either with the 2nd or later.

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[quote=53Fan;657709]We definitely could use more picks. Does anyone remember when we had all our picks? But even without a trade, you could still draft an o-line man at #4 and get a QB later. Either with the 2nd or later.[/quote]

I think the second round QB pick is risk enough. After the 2nd round it's pretty much a throw away pick. Unlike Offensive Line which is more likely to be found all over the draft. I mean maybe you'll get Matt Schuab but that will take years to develop and if you do hit on something like a fourth round QB they usually end up being no better then Charlie Frye.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657712]I think the second round is risk enough. After the 2nd round it's pretty much a throw away pick.[/quote]

Why?

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[quote=53Fan;657713]Why?[/quote]

Man that was quick. Anyway edited my answer to explain.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657714][B]Man that was quick.[/B] Anyway edited my answer to explain.[/quote]

:laughing- I'm not so sure we'd have as much chance of getting [B]quality[/B] starters at o-line after the 2nd round either. Unless you're talking about guys like Rinehart. There have been some pretty good QB's taken in the later rounds. What I'd like to see is a comparison of how many o-linemen vs how many QB's taken in the first round, percentage-wise, who went on to start in the last 10 years. Or more importantly, in the first 5 picks. It may not be fair because some of the linemen went on to start at a different position which gives them more of a chance of contributing.

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Todd McShay was just interviewed during halftime of the East-West Shrine game and has us picking Anthony Davis. He has KC picking Okung at #5. He also said in his opinion, Bradford is the only QB that should be drafted in the first round.

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[quote=53Fan;657715]:laughing- I'm not so sure we'd have as much chance of getting [B]quality[/B] starters at o-line after the 2nd round either. Unless you're talking about guys like Rinehart. There have been some pretty good QB's taken in the later rounds. What I'd like to see is a comparison of how many o-linemen vs how many QB's taken in the first round, percentage-wise, who went on to start in the last 10 years. Or more importantly, in the first 5 picks. It may not be fair because some of the linemen went on to start at a different position which gives them more of a chance of contributing.[/quote]

Many of the lines in Denver were made up of 4th and 5th round picks and were easily considered among the best lines in the league. Shanahans most recent starting line was made up of a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 1st round pick. Ironically this year under McDaniels the line struggled in part because of the switch from Shanahan's scheme to McEgo's. Or as I've seen Denver fans put it, we've gone from one of the leagues best lines under Shanahan to one of the worst under McEgo.

More locally the Giants line was made up of a 4th, 5th, 2 undrafted free agents, and a second round pick.

As far as numbers for QB's. Only thing I can tell you is that many of the QB's at the top and bottom were selected in the top 32 (Brees is considered a second round pick by many but today he would have been the last pick of the first round). 4 out of the 5 best QB's in terms of QB rating were top 32 picks and 4 of the bottom 5 were first round picks.

Ironically as far as the pro bowl goes, it seems to be a mix of first round picks and UDFA's. Same with QB's.

Also worth noting is the last line that Clinton Portis worked with in Denver was made up of a 1st, 4th, 3rd, 7th, and UDFA. Ironically in that group the first round pick might have been the worst of the bunch.

My own personal prediction see's us adding a tackle in the first or second round and maybe an interior lineman in the fourth though it would be better if they could add a second tackle. I personally feel like Edwin Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger are going to work out well for our interior. Heck Casey Rabach might have his best season for the first time in a while. The thing we do know right now is that we need two tackles. Maybe for now the best COA would be to add one this year early in the draft and use Levi Jones as a stopgap at RT but theres a lot of time between now and the draft.

The most important thing however, as far as O-Line is concerned, could be the creation of a pipeline in which we bring in mid round picks on an annual basis to develop and eventually earn a starting job.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657727]Many of the lines in Denver were made up of 4th and 5th round picks and were easily considered among the best lines in the league. Shanahans most recent starting line was made up of a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 1st round pick. Ironically this year under McDaniels the line struggled in part because of the switch from Shanahan's scheme to McEgo's. Or as I've seen Denver fans put it, we've gone from one of the leagues best lines under Shanahan to one of the worst under McEgo.

More locally the Giants line was made up of a 4th, 5th, 2 undrafted free agents, and a second round pick.

As far as numbers for QB's. Only thing I can tell you is that many of the QB's at the top and bottom were selected in the top 32 (Brees is considered a second round pick by many but today he would have been the last pick of the first round). 4 out of the 5 best QB's in terms of QB rating were top 32 picks and 4 of the bottom 5 were first round picks.

Ironically as far as the pro bowl goes, it seems to be a mix of first round picks and UDFA's. Same with QB's.

Also worth noting is the last line that Clinton Portis worked with in Denver was made up of a 1st, 4th, 3rd, 7th, and UDFA. Ironically in that group the first round pick might have been the worst of the bunch.

My own personal prediction see's us adding a tackle in the first or second round and maybe an interior lineman in the fourth though it would be better if they could add a second tackle. I personally feel like Edwin Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger are going to work out well for our interior. Heck Casey Rabach might have his best season for the first time in a while. The thing we do know right now is that we need two tackles. Maybe for now the best COA would be to add one this year early in the draft and use Levi Jones as a stopgap at RT but theres a lot of time between now and the draft.

The most important thing however, as far as O-Line is concerned, could be the creation of a pipeline in which we bring in mid round picks on an annual basis to develop and eventually earn a starting job.[/quote]

Well there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL and there are 160 starting o-linemen. They can't all be #1 picks, but teams like the Jets who do have more than 1 on the o-line seem to be doing pretty well and I would certainly give their line more credit than their QB. One of those #1 QB picks is our own JC who we would be replacing because he's.....not good enough?

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I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, but should we try to have the best o-line in the league or just be pretty good?

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[quote=53Fan;657737]I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, but should we try to have the best o-line in the league or just be pretty good?[/quote]

Would you rather have Peyton Manning or the Jets offensive line?

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[quote=53Fan;657737]I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, but should we try to have the best o-line in the league or just be pretty good?[/quote]

Those pretty good O-Lines you're referring to produced multiple 1,000 yard rushers, frequently were among the top of the league in total rushing, and were generally considered among the elite units in the league. You don't need a bunch of first round picks to run this system. If you want to run a power running scheme like the Jets then probably but in a zone blocking scheme you can have your pick of the litter throughout the draft.

[quote=53Fan;657724]Todd McShay was just interviewed during halftime of the East-West Shrine game and has us picking Anthony Davis. He has KC picking Okung at #5. He also said in his opinion, Bradford is the only QB that should be drafted in the first round.[/quote]

Anthony Davis would be a great pick. He was the #1 rated O-Line prospect coming out of high school (a la Michael Oher who ended up easily being the best rookie lineman last year). On top of that he has a ton of upside and is very light on his feet.

As for the QB's, Kiper and McShay seem to be pretty far apart on their QB evaluations. Kiper thinks that Clausen is the best QB prospect to come around in a long time while McShay has him as a second round pick. I guess the best thing to do would be to take it with a grain of salt.

By the way you are a pain in the ass for not agreeing with me :D

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[quote=WaldSkins;657739]Would you rather have Peyton Manning or the Jets offensive line?[/quote]

Would you rather have Ryan Leaf or the Jets offensive line? I don't think there's any guarantee's we'd be getting a Peyton Manning.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657740]Those pretty good O-Lines you're referring to produced multiple 1,000 yard rushers, frequently were among the top of the league in total rushing, and were generally considered among the elite units in the league. You don't need a bunch of first round picks to run this system. If you want to run a power running scheme like the Jets then probably but in a zone blocking scheme you can have your pick of the litter throughout the draft.



Anthony Davis would be a great pick. He was the #1 rated O-Line prospect coming out of high school (a la Michael Oher who ended up easily being the best rookie lineman last year). On top of that he has a ton of upside and is very light on his feet.

As for the QB's, Kiper and McShay seem to be pretty far apart on their QB evaluations. Kiper thinks that Clausen is the best QB prospect to come around in a long time while McShay has him as a second round pick. I guess the best thing to do would be to take it with a grain of salt.

[B]By the way you are a pain in the ass for not agreeing with me [/B]:D[/quote]

I didn't say I disagree with you Dirtbag, just making discussion. What's the first thing a pain in the ass says? "I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass." :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;657330]And then the obvious disclaimer: even if you don't believe that Jason Campbell has much of a future in Washington, there are still 9 (8, if both TEs are counted) positions on the offense where we are receiving less per-play production than quarterback. And of the 8, only Antwaan Randle El is really even providing close to the level of expected production, and I don't believe he's all that irreplaceable in the greater sense. [The stats don't say "Randle El shouldn't be cut" but they do say that "everyone else that isn't Randle El probably should be"]

Not all of those positions can be addressed in one draft, and not all those positions would be practical targets with the 4th overall pick. The point is: that's a whole lot of non-quarterback related suck, and to say that there's no one we can find at No. 4 overall except Okung that would fix the problem seems like kind of a defeatist attitude. There's got to be a WR, RB, or OL not named Russell Okung who is worthy of the 4th overall pick. I would think.[/quote]

The funny thing about taking a Tackle at 4 is that Davis might be the perfect fit over Okung. Aside from the reasons I listed before Davis played in a Zone Blocking Scheme at Rutgers. Even if we don't go OT first we might still end up with a perfect fit in Charles Brown (T USC). Selvish Capers could also be a quality fit due to his experience with zone blocking.

[url=http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/zone_runs.html]USC Trojan Football Analysis[/url]
"Since 2002 zone blocking has been a critical success factor for the overall USC running game. In an average game for USC there might be 36 running plays for ..."

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[quote=53Fan;657748]Would you rather have Ryan Leaf or the Jets offensive line? I don't think there's any guarantee's we'd be getting a Peyton Manning.[/quote]

I was merely asking what you would prefer. It had no indication on who you would want drafted.

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[quote=RedskinMike;657674]Here is a list of starting QB's and where they were drafted
1.NO Drew Brees-2nd
2.IND Peyton Manning-1st
3.NE Tom Brady-6th
4.PIT Ben Rothlisberger-1st
5.SD Phillip Rivers-1st
6.ARZ Kurt Warner-undrafted
7.CHI Jay Cutler-1st
8.CIN Carson Palmer-1st
9.NYG Eli Manning-1st
10.SEA Matt Hasselback-6th
11.DAL Tony Romo-undrafted
12.PHI Donovan NcNabb-1st
13.SL Marc Bulger-6th
14.GB Aaron Rogers-1st
15.KC Matt Cassel-7th
16.ATL Matt Ryan-1st
17.CLE Derek Anderson-6th
18.BAL Joe Flacco-1st
19.TEN Kerry Collins-1st
20.HOU Matt Scaub-3rd
21.JAX David Garrard-4th
22.MIA Chad Pennington-1st
23.BUF Trent Edwards-3rd
24.WAS Jason Campbell-1st
25.SF Shaun Hill- undrafted , Alex Smith-1st
26.DET Matthew Stafford-1st
27.CAR Jake Delhomme-undrafted
28.OAK Jamarcus Russell-1st
29.DEN Kyle Orton-4th
30.MIN Bret Farvre-2nd
31.TB Josh Freeman-1st
32.NYJ Mark Sanchez-1st[/quote]

WOW. I don't know how you guys find this stuff cause I simply googled it and couldn't find it. I figured the statistical data would prove me right that the majority of the good QB's were drafted in the top few rounds and you pretty much proved it.

I'm not saying we can't find a decent QB down in the draft further but those are hard to find. If we are finally saying JC is not a Franchise QB but is good enough until we get one or that he is a decent back up then we most likely would need to either look for one in FA or draft one at #4 this year.

I also hope everyone gets off the "hey we are one person away from the play offs" routine. If we look at it as a "rebuilding" process, even though the team hates the word "rebuild", then expectations will be lower and fans will be excited to see Shanny get more then 4 wins next year we should be ok.

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[quote=WaldSkins;657754]I was merely asking what you would prefer. It had no indication on who you would want drafted.[/quote]

That's a good question and the obvious answer would be Peyton Manning. I do wonder though which would be the most productive, Manning behind our line, or JC behind the Jets line. But of course I'd be crazy not to take arguably the greatest QB to ever play. I do think it's very important to remember this is a team sport though. Dan Marino could never win the Super Bowl because the rest of his team was not up to the task.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657753]The funny thing about taking a Tackle at 4 is that Davis might be the perfect fit over Okung. Aside from the reasons I listed before Davis played in a Zone Blocking Scheme at Rutgers. [B] Even if we don't go OT first we might still end up with a perfect fit in Charles Brown (T USC).[/B] Selvish Capers could also be a quality fit due to his experience with zone blocking.

[url=http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/zone_runs.html]USC Trojan Football Analysis[/url]
"Since 2002 zone blocking has been a critical success factor for the overall USC running game. In an average game for USC there might be 36 running plays for ..."[/quote]

I think Charles Brown would be an excellent fit for Shanny's offense. But I do not believe he'll last past the first round. I guess we'll have to wait and see what kind of trade offers we get, if any.

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Look at the beating Stafford took behind a bad offensive line. Bradford already has a bad shoulder. How long do you think he'd last behind our line even with an acquisition or two?

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[QUOTE=53Fan;657734]Well there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL and there are 160 starting o-linemen. They can't all be #1 picks, but teams like the Jets who do have more than 1 on the o-line seem to be doing pretty well and I would certainly give their line more credit than their QB. [B]One of those #1 QB picks is our own JC who we would be replacing because he's.....not good enough?[/[/B]QUOTE]

I'll have to give you this one. Most teams thought we reached for JC when most likely he would have been drafted in later rounds if drafted at all. Some teams felt because of where he was from he would have been a UFA.

To tell you the truth it wasn't until today that it finally sunk in that this team actually feels totally different to me. If the bus were to pull up today (which I think it has) I'm all at the back of the bus near the toilet... just in case I'm wrong so I can vomit. :) but I'm on the bus. This year I'm not expecting SB chances, however I do get jealous with the teams that draft QB's then all of a sudden look 110 % better like Atlanta, Baltimore, and Jets. but honestly I'll be satisfied even if we put a 5-11 team on the field so long as there is a sign of improvement on the field, play calling, and clock management. I'm not asking for miracles, just asking for them to look like an NFL team.

I found myself feeling sorry for the Raider fans who most likely would give their left nut for Al Davis to either keel over or back off and hire a decent GM and HC and let them run the team knowing that it will take whoever comes in more then a few years to fix the mess he has turned the team into.

Whoever or however our team chooses to utilize the draft will be ok with me knowing adiquate minds are at work with a plan on turning this team around. ;)

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[quote=53Fan;657759]I think Charles Brown would be an excellent fit for Shanny's offense. But I do not believe he'll last past the first round. I guess we'll have to wait and see what kind of trade offers we get, if any.[/quote]

That could go either way. Currently he's ranked as the 6th best tackle in the draft. In 2008 7 OT's were drafted in the first, however last year only 4 went in the top 32. Kiper and McShay both have Brown available after the first round.

2009: 4 First Round OT's
2008: 7 First Round OT's
2007: 3 First Round OT's
2006: 1 First Round OT (This was an amazing 2nd round class including Marcus McNeil, Andrew Witworth, and Jeremy Trueblood)
2005: 2 First Round OT's

Right now it looks like 2008 was a statistical anomaly.

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Every year I expect the Skins to win but this year took it's toll. I said I would temper my expectations but then I changed my mind. ATL and Miami turned it around fast so why can't we. Shannahan is a proven coach that won't have that stupid look on his face like he doesn't know what sport he's coaching and that has to count for a couple wins at least. The players will have to do the rest.

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[quote=SBXVII;657762] I'll have to give you this one. Most teams thought we reached for JC when most likely he would have been drafted in later rounds if drafted at all. Some teams felt because of where he was from he would have been a UFA. [/quote]

If drafted at all? You're saying that some teams didn't consider him worthy of being drafted at all?

That's just not accurate.

He was a top five QB prospect in that draft at the very very worst.

His most common projection was as a second round pick.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/65730.html"]SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Jason Campbell[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=53511&draftyear=2005&genpos=qb"]Jason Campbell*|*Auburn,*QB*:*2005 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/URL]

[URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/archive/2005/2005-Mock.php"]Draft Countdown - 2005 Final Mock Draft[/URL]

[URL="http://www.askthecommish.com/2005nfldraft/topprospects.asp"]Ask The Commish.com - Top 2005 NFL Draft Prospects By Position[/URL]

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/2005-04-22-mock-draft-bell_x.htm]USATODAY.com - Mock 2005 NFL Draft starts with surprise[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657763]That could go either way. Currently he's ranked as the 6th best tackle in the draft. In 2008 7 OT's were drafted in the first, however last year only 4 went in the top 32. Kiper and McShay both have Brown available after the first round.

2009: 4 First Round OT's
2008: 7 First Round OT's
2007: 3 First Round OT's
2006: 1 First Round OT (This was an amazing 2nd round class including Marcus McNeil, Andrew Witworth, and Jeremy Trueblood)
2005: 2 First Round OT's

Right now it looks like 2008 was a statistical anomaly.[/quote]

We'll see. I've already seen Trent Williams fall a little bit but I could see CB rising. The combine should be very interesting. Fortunately we will have a clearer picture come draft day. In another post I had us taking Okung 1rst round and TW in the 2nd if available. That would make me very happy. If the staff sees Bradford as a franchise QB and he checks out healthy, taking him # 1 and CB #2 would certainly not break my heart. :)

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[quote=wilsowilso;657766]If drafted at all? You're saying that some teams didn't consider him worthy of being drafted at all?

That's just not accurate.

He was a top five QB prospect in that draft at the very very worst.

His most common projection was as a second or third round pick.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/65730.html"]SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Jason Campbell[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=53511&draftyear=2005&genpos=qb"]Jason Campbell*|*Auburn,*QB*:*2005 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/URL][/quote]

I'm speculating as well as you ant SI is. Yes they think he was worthy of the draft spot but it doesn't mean he actually would have been drafted there. It all depends on what teams need and what teams had him on there radar and well after the draft we heard from media people saying some teams felt we reached for him taking him in the 1st round and some teams wondered why we even drafted him because they felt JC would have been available after the draft as a UFA. But.... as I said it's all speculation. What we do know is he was drafted in the 1st round. Whether he's worthy of that spot is opinion.

My opinion? JC was most likely worthy of a 4,5,or 6th round spot and was majorly coached up. He's definitly a great back up QB. We need a Franchise QB though for the long haul. Hopefully between Dad and Son the Shanahan's can find one where ever they draft him.

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Walterfootball has CB targeted by zone blocking teams in the late first. Funny that they say his weight at the combine is going to be very important.

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[quote=53Fan;657767]We'll see. I've already seen Trent Williams fall a little bit but I could see CB rising. The combine should be very interesting. Fortunately we will have a clearer picture come draft day. In another post I had us taking Okung 1rst round and TW in the 2nd if available. That would make me very happy. If the staff sees Bradford as a franchise QB and he checks out healthy, taking him # 1 and CB #2 would certainly not break my heart. :)[/quote]

Trent Williams would be a coup in the second round, but highly unlikely (I know you weren't implying he could fall down that far). Actually for a while I thought he was the worst guy for this offense but to be honest all of the top 7 tackles look like they could easily be day 1 starters for us (and I mean that in a good way). After that I like Tony Washington as a long term project but he could go as early as the second round. Though Charles Brown and Trent Davis seem like perfect fits.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657770]Trent Williams would be a coup in the second round, but highly unlikely (I know you weren't implying he could fall down that far). Actually for a while I thought he was the worst guy for this offense but to be honest all of the top 7 tackles look like they could easily be day 1 starters for us (and I mean that in a good way). After that I like Tony Washington as a long term project but he could go as early as the second round. Though Charles Brown and [B]Trent Davis[/B] seem like perfect fits.[/quote]

You mean Anthony Davis or Trent Williams? I'd be surprised if Washington went that high but anything could happen after the combine. Are you familiar with Jared Veldheer?

[url=http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=3758]Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;657771]You mean Anthony Davis or Trent Williams? I'd be surprised if Washington went that high but anything could happen after the combine. Are you familiar with Jared Veldheer?

[url=http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=3758]Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale[/url][/quote]

Guys way to small. We need someone a lot bigger. How do you expect him to get any rebounds for us......wait.

As for Anthony Davis, you're right, I meant to say Anthony Okung.

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6'6 320 is too small?

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[quote=Mattyk;658043]6'6 320 is too small?[/quote]

For an elephant, yes. LOL.

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[quote=SBXVII;657768]I'm speculating as well as you ant SI is. Yes they think he was worthy of the draft spot but it doesn't mean he actually would have been drafted there. It all depends on what teams need and what teams had him on there radar and well after the draft we heard from media people saying some teams felt we reached for him taking him in the 1st round and some teams wondered why we even drafted him because they felt JC would have been available after the draft as a UFA. But.... as I said it's all speculation. What we do know is he was drafted in the 1st round. Whether he's worthy of that spot is opinion.

My opinion? JC was most likely worthy of a 4,5,or 6th round spot and was majorly coached up. He's definitly a great back up QB. We need a Franchise QB though for the long haul. Hopefully between Dad and Son the Shanahan's can find one where ever they draft him.[/quote]

Nobody thought Campbell was going to go undrafted. It might have been a reach to take him in the first but there wasn't an analyst anywhere who did not have campbell as a top 3 round talent.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657727]....I personally feel like Edwin Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger are going to work out well for our interior. Heck Casey Rabach might have his best season for the first time in a while. The thing we do know right now is that we need two tackles. Maybe for now the best COA would be to add one this year early in the draft and use Levi Jones as a stopgap at RT but theres a lot of time between now and the draft.[/quote]What we also know right now is that Bruce Allen is a member of this site and he's been reading my past posts :)

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/22793-the-official-draft-marcus-monk-thread.html#post429251[/URL]

I didn't even know we picked up KL until I read your post, see how much I'm paying attention.

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Something that just hit me now is that the argument to draft a QB at No. 4 is identical to the BPA argument.

I.e. we don't have a pressing concern at quarterback, but if a franchise guy is available at number four, we should take him and not think twice about it.

I agree with the logic. But that's the BPA argument that we always poked Vinny for, and a lot of people are using the same logic to suggest that Bradford/Clausen should be the pick.

/off-topic rant.