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[quote=Kalisto2010;657888]I don't see how Peyton gets so much time and room to throw.[/quote]

an offensive line not consisting of mike williams and heyer helps.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657897]Anyone with half a brain.[/quote]

JC has proven nothing but he's a consistent loser. Who's incapable of taking the team on his shoulders. Blame whomever you want. The fact remains he's a proven loser. Sanchez is a winner, who made a lot of big throws today. He'll have a much better career than Campbell. After next season, Campbell will be a perennial pine rider for the rest of his career.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657903]JC has proven nothing but he's a consistent loser. Who's incapable of taking the team on is shoulders. Blame whomever you want. The fact remains he's a proven loser.[/quote]Given that I had the Colts today, I'll just point out that it takes one to know one.

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DynamiteRave came closest in his prediction of the outcome. He predicted Colts 28 - Jets 17. As usual I'm not very good at it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657891]Combination of Howard Mudds coaching, Jeff Saturdays leadership, and Peytons ability to call the right protections. The third factor is something a lot of experts attribute to Mannings ability to avoid injury throughout his career.

On a separate note you guys are seeing now why I want the brass in the Redskins front office to draft a potential franchise QB if they think they see one at 4. See a dominant O-Line is awesome, but having a franchise QB for 10-15 years is golden. I don't see Campbell ever getting to that level where teams are terrified of him. We need to find someone that can strike that kind of fear into opponents, similar to what Ovechkin does for the Capitals.[/quote]

JC has changed systems multiple times since becoming a pro and hasn't much around him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657904]Given that I had the Colts today, I'll just point out that it takes one to know one.[/quote]

No need to make it personal. Lets just talk Football. I don't care to hear your personal meaningless opinion about me.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657907]No need to make it personal. Lets just talk Football. I don't care to hear your personal meaningless opinion about me.[/quote]I don't have any personal feelings for you. Just observations and opinions.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657908]I don't have any personal feelings for you. Just observations and opinions.[/quote]

Your derogatory observations and delusional opinions about me- has nothing to do with Jason Campbell being a proven loser.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657909]Your derogatory observations and delusional opinions about me- has nothing to do with Jason Campbell being a proven loser.[/quote]Jason Campbell's career record has nothing to do with you being a loser, but they're both true in a heartless-factual sense. At least in the context of this thread.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;657864][B]I said this all year, the Jets give me hope for a fast turn around[/B].. And how many of u still think JC is better than Sanchez?[/quote]

What do you consider a fast turn around? The Jets had the same 9-7 record last year.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657903]JC has proven nothing but he's a consistent loser. Who's incapable of taking the team on his shoulders. Blame whomever you want. The fact remains he's a proven loser. Sanchez is a winner, who made a lot of big throws today. He'll have a much better career than Campbell. After next season, Campbell will be a perennial pine rider for the rest of his career.[/quote]

Campbell put the Skins on his back in the Saints game, a game they didn't win but that wasn't his fault.

Sanchez hasn't been asked to do much this season let alone the playoffs so take it easy on calling him a winner. Peyton Manning is a winner. Tom Brady is a winner. John Elway, Joe Montana, Kurt Warner, Brees...all winners. Sanchez plays on a good team and the coaching staff protected him.

Campbell is still young. I'm anxious to see what Shannahan and his staff come up with this offseason.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657900]What do you mean by saying they drafted him with protection in mind? The Colts only drafted one offensive lineman in 10 years prior to drafting Manning. They didn't take another offensive lineman in the first round until 2008. I didn't see Sean Peyton draft offensive lineman to build his offensive Juggernaut either. Can you name any team in the modern era, that has a top rate offense, that consistently drafted O-lineman high in the draft?[/quote]

You don't have to draft them high in the draft but you do have to put a premium on them. You do have to demonstrate that they are important, that they can play and be effective, unlike the product we put on the field this past season. No QB is going to be effective on his back 50 times a season, so whatever the Colts have done since they drafted manning as far as their line is concerned, well he's still here.

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[quote=Longtimefan;657905]DynamiteRave came closest in his prediction of the outcome. He predicted Colts 28 - Jets 17. As usual I'm not very good at it.[/quote]

You've been a member of this site long enough to know I'm a girl. :spank:

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657903]JC has proven nothing but he's a consistent loser. Who's incapable of taking the team on his shoulders. Blame whomever you want. The fact remains he's a proven loser. Sanchez is a winner, who made a lot of big throws today. He'll have a much better career than Campbell. After next season, Campbell will be a perennial pine rider for the rest of his career.[/quote]

Dude you were congratulating guys for picking the Jets in the first half like the game was over. Your credibility is a little low right now.

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[quote=53Fan;657916]Dude you were congratulating guys for picking the Jets in the first half like the game was over. Your credibility is a little low right now.[/quote]*was low. Now non-existent.

[quote=GTripp0012;657911]Jason Campbell's career record has nothing to do with you being a loser, but they're both true in a heartless-factual sense. At least in the context of this thread.[/quote]


Loser? I'm not the one with 10,000 posts you lifeless prick.

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LOL this could be the first time a Gameday-like Thread ends up in thread hell. Congratulations. :laughing2

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[quote=53Fan;657916]Dude you were congratulating guys for picking the Jets in the first half like the game was over. Your credibility is a little low right now.[/quote]

I'm not an Oracle. Never proclaimed to be. Anyone who thinks Campbell can be a playoff QB has no credibility in [b]my[/b] book.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657918]Loser? I'm not the one with 10,000 posts you lifeless prick.[/quote]That's near the top of the list of many things you are not.

At the top of the list of things you are, I'd start with hypocrite.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657921]That's near the top of the list of many things you are not.

At the top of the list of things you are, I'd start with hypocrite.[/quote]

Not a hypocrite. I tried to nicely detour our debate from being personal. But you insisted on personally insulting me like the immature facetious prick you are.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657923]Not a hypocrite. I tried to nicely detour our debate from being personal. But you insisted on insulted me like the immature facetious prick you are.[/quote]I have yet to insult you. Unless you are insulted by being called out on being hypocrtical in the context of this thread. But hey, that's not my problem.

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Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! :boxing:

This is entertainment at it's finest.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657920]I'm not an Oracle. Never proclaimed to be. Anyone who thinks Campbell can be a playoff QB has no credibility in [b]my[/b] book.[/quote]

I personally think he can be a playoff QB but I'm tired of going into every year hoping we "just get to the playoffs." I want a team that year in and year out is a strong contender to reach and win the Super Bowl.

I don't want a team that has to get lucky like the Jets (two teams laying down at the end of the season and 5 missed field goals from opponents in the playoffs). Don't get me wrong they're a great story and if Sanchez develops they will be competing for Super Bowls on an annual basis, but if they expect the same thing to happen next year then quite frankly they're dreaming.

Shanahan is an offensive genius. Give him a true franchise QB and you're set up for a decade that could possibly be better then the 80's. Now I'm not even saying that Bradford or Clausen is that guy, but if the front office determines that they are that true franchise guy then we would have to be braindead to pass up that chance to take them. Especially if drafting a QB down the line means trading a second round pick to move up.

Campbell will have a chance to prove himself this year and he will have a much better offensive line but even then it's likely that he's not the guy that can get a 100 QB rating on the year, year in and year out.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;657915]You've been a member of this site long enough to know I'm a girl. :spank:[/quote]

You must pardon me. You've now fixed it so I'll never ever forget.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;657915]You've been a member of this site long enough to know I'm a girl. :spank:[/quote]

and a very attractive girl too.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;657926]I personally think he can be a playoff QB but I'm tired of going into every year hoping we "just get to the playoffs." I want a team that year in and year out is a strong contender to reach and win the Super Bowl.

I don't want a team that has to get lucky like the Jets (two teams laying down at the end of the season and 5 missed field goals from opponents in the playoffs). Don't get me wrong they're a great story and if Sanchez develops they will be competing for Super Bowls on an annual basis, but if they expect the same thing to happen next year then quite frankly they're dreaming.

Shanahan is an offensive genius. Give him a true franchise QB and you're set up for a decade that could possibly be better then the 80's. Now I'm not even saying that Bradford or Clausen is that guy, but if the front office determines that they are that true franchise guy then we would have to be braindead to pass up that chance to take them. Especially if drafting a QB down the line means trading a second round pick to move up.

Campbell will have a chance to prove himself this year and he will have a much better offensive line but even then it's likely that he's not the guy that can get a 100 QB rating on the year, year in and year out.[/quote]The relevant question: is Sam Bradford the guy you are describing? Is Jimmy Clausen?

What about the projection systems that view these guys as players who will likely be successful, but not historic? Are they wrong? More specifically, what traits do these two have in common with players who can score 100 in QB rating year in and year out...the best of the best.

And what of players such as Roethlisberger, who seem to produce in big games, but just don't have the consistent production to be in big games on a year to year basis. Do you draft that kind of player in the top five? Or do you look for someone better?

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[quote=GTripp0012;657924]I have yet to insult you. Unless you are insulted by being called out on being hypocrtical in the context of this thread. But hey, that's not my problem.[/quote]

[quote]Originally Posted by [b]Kalisto2010[/b]
JC has proven nothing but he's a consistent loser. Who's incapable of taking the team on is shoulders. Blame whomever you want. The fact remains he's a proven loser.[/quote]

Instead of debating JC's abysmal 20-32 record as a starter, you decided to divorce the subject of the debate(Campbell) and instead took a personal jab at me.

[quote]Originally Posted by [b]GTripp0012[/b]
Given that I had the Colts today, I'll just point out that it takes one to know one.[/quote]

[quote]Originally Posted by [b]GTripp0012[/b]
Jason Campbell's career record has nothing to do with [b]you being a loser[/b][/quote]

You started this fight and I'm going to finish it.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657931]Instead of debating JC's abysmal 20-32 record as a starter, you decided to divorce the subject of the debate(Campbell) and instead took a personal jab at me. [/quote]I thought the subject was losers and their nature.[quote=Kalisto2010;657931]You started this fight and I'm going to finish it.[/quote]Nope. Sorry. You're not, because there are other people offering relevant (if off-topic) debates about football in this thread, so it's safe to say you've exceeded your value to me. Thanks for your time.

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The Viking did exactly what they needed to do at the start of the game. Score and quiet down the crowd. They couldn't start much better than that. N.O. needs to march right back.

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[quote=53Fan;657934]The Viking did exactly what they needed to do at the start of the game. Score and quiet down the crowd. They couldn't start much better than that. N.O. needs to march right back.[/quote]Agreed. New Orleans has been that kind of team all season.

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vikings and saints doing what they have been doing all year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657932]I thought the subject was losers and their nature.[/quote]

The subject was about Jason Campbell. So I guess you could say it was about that proven loser.

[quote]Nope. Sorry. You're not, because there are other people offering relevant (if off-topic) debates about football in this thread, so it's safe to say you've exceeded your value to me. Thanks for your time.[/quote]

I agree, Jason Campbell is irrelevant, being that he's a proven loser. So please run off and debate something relevant. Like the QB we'll be drafting in the first round. Who'll replace that loser QB JC.

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Are we looking at another shootout?

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657939]The subject was about Jason Campbell. So I guess you could say it was about that proven loser.



I agree, Jason Campbell is irrelevant, being that he's a proven loser. So please run off and debate something relevant. Like the QB we'll be drafting in the first round. Who'll replace that loser QB JC.[/quote]But don't you see why you're a hypocrite?

Jason Campbell (not the subject of this thread, unfortunately) loses football games, he's (in your mind) a loser.

You pick football games, act really arrogantly about your choice, lose convincingly, etc. makes you a loser.

Thus the "takes one to know one comment". I was appealing to your ability to identify losers. Coming from you, it was actually just sort of funny. 53 fan said it way more eloquently than I did...he tends to do that sort of thing.

This isn't necessarily the thread for it, but we have been discussing the 4th pick. Some people want real issues addressed, while others care not if this team keeps losing or not, but rather, whether they can replace the (productive) players who they do not like. That's also a trait of a loser, but again, and additional evidence that you are, in fact, a loser just seems like overkill at this point.

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After watching the Redskins for over 30 years it appears to me after this season we have more pressing needs than drafting a QB with the 4th pick in the draft to sit the entire 2010 season. I would prefer us take a stud LT and then get a nice OG in the 2nd round. These players of course need to be starters in 2010 or no need to pick them this high.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657930]The relevant question: is Sam Bradford the guy you are describing? Is Jimmy Clausen?

[/quote]

As I said before thats for the front office to decide. Personally I like what I've read from them in scouting reports, but personally both of them seem to be very different. Bradford is more laid back while Clausen is a fiery competitor. Both are accurate QB's but Bradford has the type of accuracy that makes me more comfortable pulling for him at the moment. Either way we'll find come April what they think of those two QB prospects. Clausen though might be a moot point as Walter Football makes a pretty strong case for why the Rams will take Clausen.

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php]WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft[/url]
(Other things to take from this article: 2nd round QB's have a 75% bust rate (wish they would compare that to 1st round QB's) and Bradford could fall far if we pass on him, the logic being that if the team with inside information from Bradford's doctor passes on him why would other teams want him.)

[quote]What about the projection systems that view these guys as players who will likely be successful, but not historic? Are they wrong? More specifically, what traits do these two have in common with players who can score 100 in QB rating year in and year out...the best of the best.
[/quote]

Traits like accuracy, the ability to read defenses, and the most underrated factor, getting drafted to the right system. Very few guys if any can develop on any team as a rookie, Manning is the only one that comes to mind as a guy that would have succeeded anywhere. However right now I feel like we are one of those teams with the right system to make a good QB great and great QB elite. Also keep in mind that our prized rookie will be riding the pine for a year so that will give us 2 years worth of draft picks and free agency to build an Offensive Line around him.

[quote]And what of players such as Roethlisberger, who seem to produce in big games, but just don't have the consistent production to be in big games on a year to year basis. Do you draft that kind of player in the top five? Or do you look for someone better?[/quote]

With Big Ben the Steelers are Super Bowl contenders every year. Big Ben has now finished a season with a 100 QB rating twice, and a rating in the 90's twice, though it is surprising to see him with an 80 rating last year when they won Super Bowl he still came through and played well in the playoffs (91.6 postseason rating last year). To be honest a season with an 80 rating or something to that effect is fine if the QB has produced enough in other seasons.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657941]But don't you see why you're a hypocrite?

Jason Campbell (not the subject of this thread, unfortunately) loses football games, he's (in your mind) a loser.

You pick football games, act really arrogantly about your choice, lose convincingly, etc. makes you a loser.[/quote]

I'm not paid to predict the outcomes of Football games. However, your boy Jason Campbell is paid to win Football games, something he's been unable to do in his professional career. Your myopic analogies are laughable at best.

[quote]Thus the "takes one to know one comment". I was appealing to your ability to identify losers. Coming from you, it was actually just sort of funny. 53 fan said it way more eloquently than I did...he tends to do that sort of thing.[/quote]

This is where it all went wrong. Instead of sticking to the merits of the debate, you deviated into the realm of personal insults.




[quote]Some people want real issues addressed, while others care not if this team keeps losing or not, but rather, whether they can replace the (productive) players who they do not like. That's also a trait of a loser, but again, and additional evidence that you are, in fact, a loser just seems like overkill at this point.[/quote]

The only thing that's overkill is your post count. Which is shameful for anyone who isn't a mod or webmaster. You'll be on ignore from this point forward.

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[quote=skins89moss;657942]After watching the Redskins for over 30 years it appears to me after this season we have more pressing needs than drafting a QB with the 4th pick in the draft to sit the entire 2010 season. I would prefer us take a stud LT and then get a nice OG in the 2nd round. These players of course need to be starters in 2010 or no need to pick them this high.[/quote]


If the new front office and Shanahan want to pick a QB with the #4 pick, i dont have a problem with it. If they think he is a franchise QB, then they have to take them. Yes we need O-lineman too, we need to build a team also and if they think one of QB's is someone they cant pass up no problems with me.

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Just saw this video on Clausen. Personally I came away very impressed with the TD passes. These were throws that required top notch anticipation and ball placement. The receivers still had to come away with tough catches but the throws were still top class. The part that impressed me most though was the fact that all the throws weren't simply made to Golden Tate. [YT]hHuwPPRC6H4[/YT]

Actually feeling kind of bummed now at the prospect of the Rams taking Clausen....thats my Quarterback.
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That could be a gamechanger. Wow, right before halftime.