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[quote=IrMitchell;659331]Well said.. In fact that is exactly what I was thinking.
I was a little bit dissapointed in Rolle and Mays too, I really saw them proving themselves.[/quote]

Myron Rolle wouldn't even have been a first round pick last season(before he went to Oxford as a rogue scholar) so he is going to have to put in some work to get back up to speed.

Taylor Mays to me looks like Laron. He is way to cocky after a simple tackle yet goes for the highlight hit that often misses.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;659334]One game doesn't make a career for these guys, it's hard to judge from one game. Who's to say that those that good games couldn't be a bust? You never know.[/quote]

I agree with you but this thread is meant for judging the players based on their performance at the Senior Bowl.

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wait did Iupati play bad? I thought he was the best lineman all week and at this senior bowl?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;659341]wait did Iupati play bad? I thought he was the best lineman all week and at this senior bowl?[/quote]

I watched the end of the 3rd quarter and the whole 4th and from what I saw, he was going at it with a DT that looked like McCoy and it was quite the battle.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;659343]I watched the end of the 3rd quarter and the whole 4th and from what I saw, he was going at it with a DT that looked like McCoy and it was quite the battle.[/quote]

It definitley wasn't Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma, he's a Jr.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;659341]wait did Iupati play bad? I thought he was the best lineman all week and at this senior bowl?[/quote]

He had a couple holding calls during the game and was beat a couple times. Mayock pointed out that he's more of a grabber then puncher when blocking a defender.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;659341]wait did Iupati play bad? I thought he was the best lineman all week and at this senior bowl?[/quote]

In practice, yes, but I'm not talkin bout practice. Still just as Waldskins pointed out, Mayock said during the broadcast that he caught Iupati holding on 5 plays over the course of a single drive. He also got beat a few times during the game. To be honest he really isn't a great value for us unless through some act of God he lasted till the fourth round. To much of a mauler and his footwork is only average. I think the reason they tried him out at Tackle this week was because the scouts really liked the length of his arms. Personally he reminds me a lot of another Samoan mauler in Vince Manuwai, who was given similar praise (albeit less intense) to Iupati before the 2003 draft.

In the end his true value to us is having him selected before our 2nd round pick leading to someone else dropping down the draft board.

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andre roberts had a nice game...could be a 4th round sleeper

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Zac Robinson and Dan LeFevour both had good games with LeFevour being named the Norths Outstanding Player:

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2010-01-30-senior-bowl_N.htm?csp=34]North tops South in Senior Bowl as Gilyard, Graham shine - USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;659356]Zac Robinson and Dan LeFevour both had good games with LeFevour being named the Norths Outstanding Player:

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2010-01-30-senior-bowl_N.htm?csp=34]North tops South in Senior Bowl as Gilyard, Graham shine - USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]

I hope that we sign Dan LeFevour i like him more than any QB so far.

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Michigan DE Brandon Graham is a beast!!!! Would be a great addition to a defense who will make the transition to a 3-4! He will make a impact OLB and Orakapo on the other OLB!!! If we trade down and get multiple picks I would be thrilled to get this guy who could help anchor the haslett attack style 3-4 defense...

As far as offense I saw nothing... There are a couple of backs I could see taking in round 2 or 3! Shanahan does not care about bad seeds or prior discipline problems he wants legs... How a bout L. Blount from Oregon.

I would love to see o-line help, but the draft is not the only place to get better in that regard. I always thought that free agency is best to get o-line as you know better what you are getting and the salaries are the lowest for any positions! All o-line play in this game was bad! Iupati looked pretty bad.

Bottom line I hope QB is not where we are going with the #4 pick!!!!

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;659404]Michigan DE Brandon Graham is a beast!!!! Would be a great addition to a defense who will make the transition to a 3-4! He will make a impact OLB and Orakapo on the other OLB!!! If we trade down and get multiple picks I would be thrilled to get this guy who could help anchor the haslett attack style 3-4 defense...

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In his initial mock draft, Mel Kiper Jr. had Michigan DE Brandon Graham sliding all the way to No. 32 (the Indianapolis Colts), but he could be one of this year's big risers if recent trends are any indication.

Former NFL scout and proprietor of MovingtheSticks.com Daniel Jeremiah was down in Mobile for the Senior Bowl this week, and has been tweeting his quick thoughts on players that stick out, one way or another. For Graham, it was a positive last week: "Don't know if Vegas has a line for how many sacks Mich DE Brandon Graham will have Sat but take the over. Explosive, best rusher by far."

On Saturday, Graham turned a lot of heads, and was named the Senior Bowl MVP, with five tackles, two sacks, one TFL and a forced fumble.

Most teams will list "effective pass-rusher" somewhere on their list of needs or wants, so it's not a stretch to think that with a good combine, Graham could jump into the top 10 this April.


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Graham a steal at No. 32
"Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss as a senior. Always in the backfield, he's a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition. He's been on my Big Board all year, so a good value this late."

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Told you guys. LEfevour, Kafka should be our targets for QB, with Sheehan, and Stull other possibles. Kafka got the East West Shrine game honors then Lefevour did his part in the North South game. Tebow is a very good QB and will make it in the pros, but Lefevour and Kafka have more NFL potential. They both are good on their feet and have strong arms. Lefevour is more accurate than Kafka in my opinion and the stats back that up. Kafka was a one man offense at Northwestern though, while Lefevour had a better team around him. Still I think both have some potential, more so than Bradford or McCoy.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;659505]Told you guys. LEfevour, Kafka should be our targets for QB, with Sheehan, and Stull other possibles. Kafka got the East West Shrine game honors then Lefevour did his part in the North South game. Tebow is a very good QB and will make it in the pros, but Lefevour and Kafka have more NFL potential. They both are good on their feet and have strong arms. Lefevour is more accurate than Kafka in my opinion and the stats back that up. Kafka was a one man offense at Northwestern though, while Lefevour had a better team around him. Still I think both have some potential, more so than Bradford or McCoy.[/quote]

I was listening to you until you said Tebow is a very good QB and will make it in the pro's.

I'm a huge huge florida gator fan, and Tebow is a Great COLLEGE QB, but I think the senior bowl just shows you, that he is slow at making decisions, throws very funky and slow. He will not be a good pro QB. RB or TE he would probably succeed better than he would at QB.

Also I think that we will most likely get Sam Bradford, whether you like him or not, every scout has him as a top ten pick, also there are reports now that Detroit is either getting Gerald McCoy or Russell Okung with their first pick, I believe that they should and probably will get Okung, whom I think is the only Tackle worth the 4th overall pick. Also Bradford is super accurate, your prototypical NFL QB size, speed. He has great pocket awareness which every coach likes. Lets face it, the QB class this year is pretty weak, after Clausen and Bradford, every other QB is shakey. LeFeavor just reminds me of another Campbell, and the Senior Bowl scouts said that he threw lots of wobbley balls, and relies on running first. They also said his receivers had to adjust a lot to the passes he threw. Kafka, I like him to, but he throws lots of picks and isn't exactly the tallest person on the field, he's also injury prone from what I've heard and seen. But honeslty, could you see Kafka being our starting QB next year or the year after that? Same for LeFeavor. Now Bradford, he I could see him starting from Day 1, just like matt ryan, joe flacco, mark sanchez, matt stafford. AND, keep this in mind, Shanahan got Cutler then Ryan Clady the LT, instead of getting a guy like Marcus McNeil, or trading up to get D'Brickashaw Ferguson, they waited 2 years to get a tackle, so that tells me shanahan gets the player of his position of desire over best available

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For me, the senior bowl was a big downer. There were very few guys that played well in the positions that we need most. What stood out was the number of guys that played so poorly. Especially Young, Black and Mays, not to mention others like Tebow, etc.

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[quote=johno;659541]For me, the senior bowl was a big downer. There were very few guys that played well in the positions that we need most. What stood out was the number of guys that played so poorly. Especially Young, Black and Mays, not to mention others like Tebow, etc.[/quote]

Same here. Offensively the only guys I really liked for us were LeFeveour and Ducasse. Now Ducasse didn't dominante but I think he showed that he has a lot of room to grow and that his floor isn't nearly as low as someone from a small school like him would be. If most of the tackles are gone after the first round and we leave the first with a QB then I would love to see us give Ducasse a shot at LT.

Personally he reminds me a lot of Brandon Albert and worst comes to worst we could move him to Guard if he doesn't work out and we find someone better in a year or two, but personally I don't think that will be necessary. He's going to be a good LT for someone.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;659647]Same here. Offensively the only guys I really liked for us were LeFeveour and Ducasse. Now Ducasse didn't dominante but I think he showed that he has a lot of room to grow and that his floor isn't nearly as low as someone from a small school like him would be. If most of the tackles are gone after the first round and we leave the first with a QB then I would love to see us give Ducasse a shot at LT.

Personally he reminds me a lot of Brandon Albert and worst comes to worst we could move him to Guard if he doesn't work out and we find someone better in a year or two, but personally I don't think that will be necessary. He's going to be a good LT for someone.[/quote]

We could easily get this guy in the 2nd and have him be our starting RT, and if we doesn't work out then we can move him to guard like you said.

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;659404]Michigan DE Brandon Graham is a beast!!!! Would be a great addition to a defense who will make the transition to a 3-4! He will make a impact OLB and Orakapo on the other OLB!!! If we trade down and get multiple picks I would be thrilled to get this guy who could help anchor the haslett attack style 3-4 defense...

As far as offense I saw nothing... There are a couple of backs I could see taking in round 2 or 3! Shanahan does not care about bad seeds or prior discipline problems he wants legs... [B]How a bout L. Blount from Oregon[/B].

I would love to see o-line help, but the draft is not the only place to get better in that regard. I always thought that free agency is best to get o-line as you know better what you are getting and the salaries are the lowest for any positions! All o-line play in this game was bad! Iupati looked pretty bad.

Bottom line I hope QB is not where we are going with the #4 pick!!!![/quote]

Only if he promises to punch Romo in the face.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;659512]I was listening to you until you said Tebow is a very good QB and will make it in the pro's.

I'm a huge huge florida gator fan, and Tebow is a Great COLLEGE QB, but I think the senior bowl just shows you, that he is slow at making decisions, throws very funky and slow. He will not be a good pro QB. RB or TE he would probably succeed better than he would at QB.

Also I think that we will most likely get Sam Bradford, whether you like him or not, every scout has him as a top ten pick, also there are reports now that Detroit is either getting Gerald McCoy or Russell Okung with their first pick, I believe that they should and probably will get Okung, whom I think is the only Tackle worth the 4th overall pick. Also Bradford is super accurate, your prototypical NFL QB size, speed. He has great pocket awareness which every coach likes. Lets face it, the QB class this year is pretty weak, after Clausen and Bradford, every other QB is shakey. LeFeavor just reminds me of another Campbell, and the Senior Bowl scouts said that he threw lots of wobbley balls, and relies on running first. They also said his receivers had to adjust a lot to the passes he threw. Kafka, I like him to, but he throws lots of picks and isn't exactly the tallest person on the field, he's also injury prone from what I've heard and seen. But honeslty, could you see Kafka being our starting QB next year or the year after that? Same for LeFeavor. Now Bradford, he I could see him starting from Day 1, just like matt ryan, joe flacco, mark sanchez, matt stafford. AND, keep this in mind, Shanahan got Cutler then Ryan Clady the LT, instead of getting a guy like Marcus McNeil, or trading up to get D'Brickashaw Ferguson, they waited 2 years to get a tackle, so that tells me shanahan gets the player of his position of desire over best available[/quote]

Rather get Lefevour than Bradford and still high on Kafka. He only threw 7 INTs during the regular season then had a crappy bowl game with 5 INTs. Thing is Kafka was the Northwestern Offense, and playing in a defensive minded Big 10 and going 8-4 in the regular season with an average to under average team is pretty good. Jones goes in for Bradford and does rather nicely for the Sooners. In fact, thd Sooners seemed not to lose a beat. Without Kafka, Northwestern would have been lucky to post 1 or 2 wins in '09. By the way, Kafka is 6'3" 220 lbs. Not that short for the NFL. I think Tebow will make a decent pro, just not the superstar everyone had him made out to be.

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[quote=GTripp0012;659296]I'm surprised no one is talking about Zac Robinson (well, maybe just because SmootSmack isn't here). He's the one who increased his draft stock most in my eyes in this game. I would have to look at him as a possible second round pick now.

Very fluid and natural in his actions.[/quote]

I thought i mentioned Robinson, or maybe that was in another thread.
I'm a big Colt McCoy fan and Robinson seems like McCoy lite but he also seems very similiar to Colt Brennan's in skillset: decent release not a lot of pop in his arm though, i think Robinson could be had as late as round 5.

I'm still intrigued by Jarrett Brown though.

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Why intrigued by Brown so much?

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^ I've seen nothing about that guy to make me want him...Charles brown is different though

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[quote=GusFrerotte;659714]Why intrigued by Brown so much?[/quote]

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2010stockmatt.php]WalterFootball.com: Matt McGuire's 2010 NFL Draft Stock: Senior Bowl[/url]

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I am glad that the get Tebow chants have been silenced.

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[quote=GTripp0012;659296]I'm surprised no one is talking about Zac Robinson (well, maybe just because SmootSmack isn't here). He's the one who increased his draft stock most in my eyes in this game. I would have to look at him as a possible second round pick now.

Very fluid and natural in his actions.[/quote]

I like Robinson a lot, as I've mentioned earlier this fall. I'd rather have him than Skelton (so that should tell you something) but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time QB at the next level right now. Maybe in a couple of years. If we had a 3rd round pick, I'd like to select him there. I don't think any team should take him before round 3.

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[quote=SmootSmack;659749]I like Robinson a lot, as I've mentioned earlier this fall. I'd rather have him than Skelton (so that should tell you something) but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time QB at the next level right now. Maybe in a couple of years. If we had a 3rd round pick, I'd like to select him there. I don't think any team should take him before round 3.[/quote]

I also like Zac Robinson and I agree with what you said about him. For now, I'd like to see the Skins match any offer for JC and develop a young QB behind him. Robinson would do nicely in that role, IMHO.

That should be the plan [U]if[/U] the Skins brain trust do not think that either Bradford or Clausen can be a franchise QB. If they do think that one of them can be a franchise QB, then they must draft that player in the first round. That's just the way it is, regardless of any other team needs.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;659714]Why intrigued by Brown so much?[/quote]I thought Brown threw the ball very well in this game. His problem is that the David Greene/Chris Crane career path of sitting behind a four year starter and getting your one year to shine at the back end has never really yielded any sort of prospect at all.

As far as a No. 2 type guy in the NFL though, I think Jarrett Brown can justify a late round pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;659749]I like Robinson a lot, as I've mentioned earlier this fall. I'd rather have him than Skelton (so that should tell you something) but I do have some concerns about his ability to be a full time QB at the next level right now. Maybe in a couple of years. If we had a 3rd round pick, I'd like to select him there. I don't think any team should take him before round 3.[/quote]I think Holmgren is going to be all over Robinson in Cleveland to follow the Quinn/Anderson mess as a developmental type though.

I have a second round grade on Robinson right now. I doubt anyone will take him that high since he's still only my 5th rated QB, and Kafka, LeFevour, and Pike are all right there.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;659714]Why intrigued by Brown so much?[/quote]

I liked Brown as late round developmental QB before the Senior Bowl, in fact we had a brief discussion about him in the late round gem thread.
By all accounts he surprised some people at the Senior Bowl and has put himself on the map as far a QB prospects go.

The reasons i liked him before are virtually the same reasons i like him now:
-nice compact throwing motion it reminds me of right handed Mike Vick, almost textbook throwing motion
-above average arm strength
-above average mobility although he's not really a 'scrambler' or 'running' QB

another reason i liked him was because is so raw (only had 1 year as a starter) that he should be available in the later rounds as developmental QB, but after the Senior Bowl he's probably worked his was into a middle round pick

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Looking at the Senior Bowl here are thoughts on a few players:

QB - Jarret Brown has the tools. If we don't take Clausen, he'd be a good fit in the 4th or later rounds if he slips that far.

RB - LaGarrett Blount looked good and will be a good back for a power runing team, not necessarily a good fit for our Zone scheme though.

J. Bell - Didn't like the bobble of the ball on the hit by Mays or the fumble. He better fix this before training camp for wherever he ends up. Still like him as a late rounder.

G - John Jerry - best South OL, big, physical.
C - Tennant - looked solid, but if he's gone, Olsen from ND held up better than I expected with Cody or D. Williams over him.
G/C - Byers (USC) played both G/C, had a good motor, played with good technique, a little small at 299. Got to second level and out front on a reverse well. Could be a good fit for our Zone scheme in the 7th or as UDFA.

G - Iupati is a bit over-rated and not a good fit for a Zone scheme. He's a mauler, doesn't have great feet and reaches (a lot) in pass-pro.

T - Ciron Black, Selvish Capers....pass on both.

T - Ducasse - not sold on him, but don't hate him either. He's a project and will probably take a year or two to be NFL-starter ready.

DT - Dan Williams, TN - If we're switching to a 3-4, and are working a trade down scenario, this guy would be a great anchor at NT. In a 4-3 he looked good at both the 1 & 3 technique. He'll be gone in the 1st 20 picks though, so he's highly unlikely to wind up in DC.

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Why Brown over Lefevour? I would take Sheehan from Bowling Green over Brown also. Hell, I am still liking Kafka. Brown is a trememdous athlete, don't get me wrong, but you want a Brady/Manning/Brees/Rivers type if you want to get to the big dance. Brains(being able to read Ds and the field) and a cannon arm, combined with some decent mobility is the nice equation you want. I think this move in the NFL towards a more mobile atheltic QB isn't panning out as expected. Randal Cunningham was the first guy to entice the NFL with his moves, then McNabb, then Vick. These guys have been in what, one SB combined? If JC could read the D better and also be a bit quicker at checking his WRs he would be our guy hands down and there wouldn't be any debate at all. Hopefully Shanny can help him out. He is a great guy and has the tools, justs needs to be refined by a master craftsman.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;660270]Why Brown over Lefevour? I would take Sheehan from Bowling Green over Brown also. Hell, I am still liking Kafka. Brown is a trememdous athlete, don't get me wrong, but you want a Brady/Manning/Brees/Rivers type if you want to get to the big dance. Brains(being able to read Ds and the field) and a cannon arm, combined with some decent mobility is the nice equation you want. I think this move in the NFL towards a more mobile atheltic QB isn't panning out as expected. Randal Cunningham was the first guy to entice the NFL with his moves, then McNabb, then Vick. These guys have been in what, one SB combined? If JC could read the D better and also be a bit quicker at checking his WRs he would be our guy hands down and there wouldn't be any debate at all. Hopefully Shanny can help him out. He is a great guy and has the tools, justs needs to be refined by a master craftsman.[/quote]Outside of Clausen & Bradford, this QB class is all "projects". If you're going to work on a project get the one with the most upside. Brown appears to be a throw first QB rather than a runner. He improved WVU's passing game after White left. He also improved during the week of Senior Bowl practices. He ran a spread at WVU so there's some concern there, but so many teams run it in college. I think Lefevour, Kakfa, Pike, etc. are what they are, good college QBs that don't have big time NFL arms and will take a few years to transition into solid NFL back-ups. Brown is raw but under Shanahan could develop into more than a back-up.

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QB's that I most want to least want

1. Bradford
2. Clausen
3. Kafka
4A. Robinson
4B. LeFeavor
6. Armanti Edwards
7. Colt McCoy