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[quote=SFREDSKIN;661004]Don't forget Green.[/quote]

Oh geez yeah. Duh me.

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RUSS!!! :D!!! I think this calls for a drink guys! YEAAAH!!!

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How accurate is the hall? I mean John Stallworth gets elected before Art Monk. And Russ Grimm, the best player on the best O-Line in history has to wait over a decade to get elected? I actually found something interesting. Joe Namaths best season is actually comparable to Cutler in 2009. So today Jay Cutler throws a bunch of picks and he's a complete bust. Joe Namath does it and he's a Hall of Famer. And don't give me that crap about good passing numbers being hard to come by from that time frame.

Bart Starr, Johnny U, and Fran Tarkenton posted at least three 90+ season. Johnny U and Bart even passed the 100 point mark a few times.

I mean I love Terry Bradshaw as a commentator in fact he should go to the hall of fame as one, but as a QB he really has no business being there

In fact if Jason Campbell plays in the 60's and 70's with the numbers he's put up over the last few years then he's a candidate as a first ballot hall of famer. Maybe Skip Bayless was right, it really is the Hall of Good.

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Congrats Russ about time.

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Was Russ really the best Hog of them all? His career as a great player made it until roughly age 27 or 28. Jacoby, I think, would get my vote as the greatest of the bunch, even though the hall is overrun with offensive tackles, and Lachey might have been even better, although he didn't have all of his very best years in Washington.

I'm happy to see the unit get recognition, but I would have much preferred them to go in together as "The Hogs" because it was truly a unit that was greater than the sum of its parts. Seeing Grimm get elected is bittersweet for me, if only because other players who deserve the honor just as much if not more probably don't get in now. It was, in my opinion, the "get a Hog in the Hall" campaign that got Grimm over the hump, and without that type of moral dilemma to push on otherwise neutral voters, now Jacoby, Lachey, and Bostic have basically no chance. And I don't really like that.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661009]How accurate is the hall? I mean John Stallworth gets elected before Art Monk. And Russ Grimm, the best player on the best O-Line in history has to wait over a decade to get elected? I actually found something interesting. Joe Namaths best season is actually comparable to Cutler in 2009. So today Jay Cutler throws a bunch of picks and he's a complete bust. Joe Namath does it and he's a Hall of Famer. And don't give me that crap about good passing numbers being hard to come by from that time frame.

Bart Starr, Johnny U, and Fran Tarkenton posted at least three 90+ season. Johnny U and Bart even passed the 100 point mark a few times.

I mean I love Terry Bradshaw as a commentator in fact he should go to the hall of fame as one, but as a QB he really has no business being there

In fact if Jason Campbell plays in the 60's and 70's with the numbers he's put up over the last few years then he's a candidate as a first ballot hall of famer. Maybe Skip Bayless was right, it really is the Hall of Good.[/quote]Namath gets a bad rap, but he's was actually a much better quarterback than a lot of people give him credit for.

The problem is, Namath supporters speak of him like he was better than Tarkenton, better than Starr, better than Staubach, better than Len Dawson, and he simply wasn't in that class.

But in terms of hall of fame standards, Namath takes a really big hit for his quarterback rating being roughly league average for the era instead of in line with the best statistical quarterbacks of all time. Truth is, Namath was a guy who was a standard deviation above the mean in net yards per attempt, which is a hall of fame type inclusive statistic. He fell closer to Cutler on the Cutler-McNabb sack-interception continuum (that I created just now), but that's not a bad or a good thing inherently. It just is. Namath was very deserving of his HoF nod, even if he got it for all the wrong reasons.

Bradshaw, on the other hand, is a slightly above average player who is there primarily for team-related accomplishments. The 70's Steelers really don't have a single offensive player who was a hall of famer in the truest sense. Franco Harris was probably the best player on that unit, and he was a pro bowler each of his first 9 seasons, so that's probably the best argument for a HoFer from that offense, but they did win four rings, so a whole bunch of people associated with them were getting in. Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson only wish they were so lucky.

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Well deserved Russ!! This is yet another achievement that makes us proud to be part of the Skins tradition! This is a testament of how great our org. was under Beathard/Gibbs/Buges (among others) and most importantly Jack Kent Cooke(RIP), the best owner of all time!

Next up for the HOF : J.Jacoby, G.Clark, C.Mann! I know wishful thinking but what the heck! :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;661021]Namath gets a bad rap, but he's was actually a much better quarterback than a lot of people give him credit for.

The problem is, Namath supporters speak of him like he was better than Tarkenton, better than Starr, better than Staubach, better than Len Dawson, and he simply wasn't in that class.

But in terms of hall of fame standards, Namath takes a really big hit for his quarterback rating being roughly league average for the era instead of in line with the best statistical quarterbacks of all time. Truth is, Namath was a guy who was a standard deviation above the mean in net yards per attempt, which is a hall of fame type inclusive statistic. He fell closer to Cutler on the Cutler-McNabb sack-interception continuum (that I created just now), but that's not a bad or a good thing inherently. It just is. Namath was very deserving of his HoF nod, even if he got it for all the wrong reasons.

Bradshaw, on the other hand, is a slightly above average player who is there primarily for team-related accomplishments. The 70's Steelers really don't have a single offensive player who was a hall of famer in the truest sense. Franco Harris was probably the best player on that unit, and he was a pro bowler each of his first 9 seasons, so that's probably the best argument for a HoFer from that offense, but they did win four rings, so a whole bunch of people associated with them were getting in. Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson only wish they were so lucky.[/quote] Great post GTripp. Guys it is impossible to compare QB's / wr's of todays game with those who played in the 70's . [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1972/leaders.htm]1972 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] ,to pass for 20 td's in a season from 70-77 would put you at the top , as you can see in 72 B. Kilmer lead the NFL with 19 td's . As far as Bradshaw , nobody was going to complete 60% / better in the offense they ran , throwing 15-20 yds downfield to the WR's , The TE for the Steelers avg'd 11 recp's per/yr . Bradshaw was at the top in td passes and yds / attempt [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/leaders.htm"]1978 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL] ...[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/leaders.htm"]1978 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL] averaging over 14yds / Attempt . Not saying he was as good as Montana / Marino and some other HOF , but considering his two starting WR's were hurt most of the time , he did ok . You cannot win 4 SB's with a garbage qb , maybe one ... but not 4 .

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;660987]I would love to see "Boss Hog" (Bugel) introduce him. By the way where is Chris Carter?:laughing2 I bet he's pissed. Too bad!![/quote]

Joe Bugel will be his presenter, Grimm confirmed that last night

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;660987]I would love to see "Boss Hog" (Bugel) introduce him. By the way where is Chris Carter?:laughing2 I bet he's pissed. Too bad!![/quote]

Chris Carter should be pissed. He's is one of the best wr's of his time and of all time. I guess the media people that vote don't like the guy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;661020]Was Russ really the best Hog of them all? His career as a great player made it until roughly age 27 or 28. Jacoby, I think, would get my vote as the greatest of the bunch, even though the hall is overrun with offensive tackles, and Lachey might have been even better, although he didn't have all of his very best years in Washington.

I'm happy to see the unit get recognition, but I would have much preferred them to go in together as "The Hogs" because it was truly a unit that was greater than the sum of its parts. Seeing Grimm get elected is bittersweet for me, if only because other players who deserve the honor just as much if not more probably don't get in now. It was, in my opinion, the "get a Hog in the Hall" campaign that got Grimm over the hump, and without that type of moral dilemma to push on otherwise neutral voters, now Jacoby, Lachey, and Bostic have basically no chance. And I don't really like that.[/quote]

Although I'm very very happy for Grimm I though Jacoby was the best player on the line. Perhaps it wa becuase of his longevity. Lachey simply didn't play long enough to merit any consideration. Bostic was not a great player. Good but not great.

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[quote=skinsfan69;661032]Chris Carter should be pissed. He's is one of the best wr's of his time and of all time. I guess the media people that vote don't like the guy.[/quote]

I don't think it's that they don't like him, it's that they don't necessarily place him significantly above other WR candidates like Ande Reed, so the votes gets split essentially.

I think Grimm's post-playing career in the NFL helped him as well, though no voter would readily admit to that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;660925]Confirmed[/quote]''

I would say three words, "It's about time". He can now join the other greats that played alongside him during his career, including his coach. I'm happy for Russ Grimm.

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Congrats to Russ Grimm! I honestly didnt think this would be a year he got in..

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Grimm was well deserving and if only one Hog is going to be in, I think he's the right choice. I've always thought Skins fans overrated Jacoby just a bit. I think the fact that LT pretty much owned him sticks out to voters and holds him back. Grimm was very much a dominant interior lineman. I don't recall anyone owning him, and his legendary performances against the likes of Randy White is his calling card.

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FINALLY a Hog gets in!!! This is very well deserved, and frankly, Joe Jacoby should be in as well.

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This is a great thing for the "Hogs" of the 80's. Joe Jacoby deserves it as well. Maybe he will be next from those 80's teams.

Which defensive players do you feel as though should make it from those teams.

How about Charles Mann, Wilber Marshall, or Dexter Manley?

DM will probaly never get in because of his past with Substance abuse, but if LT can make it can't anyone?

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I think Grimm just may be the last representative of the Skins glory years of the 80's/early 90's

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[quote=skinsfan69;661032]Chris Carter should be pissed. He's is one of the best wr's of his time and of all time. I guess the media people that vote don't like the guy.[/quote]

Chris Carter can wait just like Art Monk had to.

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Jacoby, Manley and Clark deserve to be there as well.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;661106]Jacoby, Manley and[B] Clark [/B]deserve to be there as well.[/quote]

If Lynn Swann is in the HOF, then Gary Clark should be as well.

Lynn Swann has only 336 catches and 51tds. Clark has 699 catches and 65tds. I seriously think Swann made it to the hall because of a few circus catches in the postseason.

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[quote=GMScud;661112]If Lynn Swann is in the HOF, then Gary Clark should be as well.

Lynn Swann has only 336 catches and 51tds. Clark has 699 catches and 65tds. [B]I seriously think Swann made it to the hall because of a few circus catches in the postseason[/B].[/quote]

Yeah it's no secret his postseason performances are what got him in.

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[quote=GMScud;661112]If Lynn Swann is in the HOF, then Gary Clark should be as well.

Lynn Swann has only 336 catches and 51tds. Clark has 699 catches and 65tds. I seriously think Swann made it to the hall because of a few circus catches in the postseason.[/quote]

You just gave me a great idea. Lets hire James Cameron, and start a studio called Warpath Films. It seems like all through the history of the NFL if you have pretty highlights you get called a great player. We'll make Portis tripping on running plays look epic and insure a trip to Canton for CP26.

Heck I wouldn't be surprised if one day Vick got elected to the Hall of Fame. Announcers will speak of how he revolutionized the game....maybe dog fighting but football?

Still I don't mind Swann getting into the Hall. It was the election of John Stallworth that made me scratch my head. Also it's not like we're the only ones that had doubts about Namath and Bradshaw. Both were like 3rd or 4th ballot hall of famers.

Like I said before. I know it was a different game before but plenty of QB's put up respectable numbers in that era. I just feel like if Swann got in on a couple of postseason highlights then it's possible that Namath got in on the big guarantee.

It really is scary though. There might be QB's in the future that will make our kids ask "why is that Peyton guy in the hall of fame? He doesn't even have a career 130 QB rating?"

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661117]You just gave me a great idea. Lets hire James Cameron, and start a studio called Warpath Films. It seems like all through the history of the NFL if you have pretty highlights you get called a great player. We'll make Portis tripping on running plays look epic and insure a trip to Canton for CP26.

Heck I wouldn't be surprised if one day Vick got elected to the Hall of Fame. Announcers will speak of how he revolutionized the game....maybe dog fighting but football?

Still I don't mind Swann getting into the Hall. It was the election of John Stallworth that made me scratch my head. Also it's not like we're the only ones that had doubts about Namath and Bradshaw. Both were like 3rd or 4th ballot hall of famers.

[B]Like I said before. I know it was a different game before but plenty of QB's put up respectable numbers in that era. I just feel like if Swann got in on a couple of postseason highlights then it's possible that Namath got in on the big guarantee.

It really is scary though. There might be QB's in the future that will make our kids ask "why is that Peyton guy in the hall of fame? He doesn't even have a career 130 QB rating?"[/B] [/quote]

Yeah, it's a passing league now more than ever. Especially with the rule changes that make defending the pass more and more difficult. Points are sexy and they sell.

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[quote=GMScud;661120]Yeah, it's a passing league now more than ever. Especially with the rule changes that make defending the pass more and more difficult. [B]Points are sexy and they sell.[/B][/quote]

And this year they also win. Look at the two teams in the Super Bowl.

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So glad to hear Russ is going on. He most definitely deserves it! HTTR!

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[quote=SmootSmack;661027]Joe Bugel will be his presenter, Grimm confirmed that last night[/quote]
I just peed myself a little. That may be the best intro speech ever

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Glad Grimm got in, hopefully this will help Jacoby. Interesting point about GC (Clark)getting into the Hall he posted better numbers w/average QB's. Within the next 3 yrs B-Mitch will have his name called.

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[quote=vallin21;661143]Glad Grimm got in, hopefully this will help Jacoby. Interesting point about GC (Clark)getting into the Hall he posted better numbers w/average QB's. [B]Within the next 3 yrs B-Mitch will have his name called.[/quote]
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He does have great returner numbers, but they are not getting him into the hall of fame. The returners of the past decade broke all of his returns for tds records. First it was Dante Hall then D. Hester , and now Joshua Cribbs.

I don't see BMitchel as being deserving to be a HOFer. I don't think he will ever get mentioned.

I'm a fan of the guy too guys. He did great things for us back in the day, but he isn't deserving of the NFL HOF.

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[quote=vallin21;661143]Glad Grimm got in, hopefully this will help Jacoby. Interesting point about GC (Clark)getting into the Hall he posted better numbers w/average QB's. Within the next 3 yrs B-Mitch will have his name called.[/quote]

Ha ha, not so long as Peter King is on the selection committee.

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Brian Mitchell is #2 in all purpose yards in the history of the NFL, how can he not be up for a HOF vote? He paved the road for the Dante Halls, Devin Hesters and Joshua Cribbs of today and yesterday.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;661171]Brian Mitchell is #2 in all purpose yards in the history of the NFL, how can he not be up for a HOF vote? He paved the road for the Dante Halls, Devin Hesters and Joshua Cribbs of today and yesterday.[/quote]
Im not sure about BM getting in . KO returns are usually 20 yards before contact with a defender . Had BM had a few big years on Offense , maybe ?

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Just reserved my hotel. Looking forward to another road trip to Canton, though I suspect there will be a lot of Cowboy fans this time around. Would be nice if Redskin fans would show up -- like Steeler fans at FedEx.

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Skins fans dominated Canton when Green & Monk got in, I think we'll show up strong again for Grimm

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Some great players just went in.. so glad to see one of our Hogs get some credit.

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[quote=FRPLG;661142]I just peed myself a little. [B]That may be the best intro speech ever[/B][/quote]

I can't wait to see it. Buges is funny as hell. Think they'll have to censor it? :laughing-

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;661171]Brian Mitchell is #2 in all purpose yards in the history of the NFL, how can he not be up for a HOF vote? He paved the road for the Dante Halls, Devin Hesters and Joshua Cribbs of today and yesterday.[/quote]

I have no problem with B Mitch getting in. Realistically, though, he was primarily a special teamer and those folks always get snubbed. For example, Ray Guy is arguably the greatest special teamer to ever play the game and he is still waiting for his Canton invitation.

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Who makes it in first? Another Original Hog or Chris Samuels?

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My guess is that the Skins from the 80's/early 90's are now properly represented to Hall voters and we won't see any more guys from the glory days get in.

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[quote=SmootSmack;661517]Who makes it in first? Another Original Hog or Chris Samuels?[/quote]Going to be interesting to see if Samuels gets in. He's going to be eligible right at the same time as Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jon Ogden, and just a bit after Willie Roaf. The hall is already overrun with OTs, and with that overload of players at the position, Samuels might even fail to be a finalist.

But now that Green, Grimm, and Monk are in, he's got a better chance than anyone from the old Gibbs teams.