Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;662660]I favor getting really crazy and going right to a 3-3-5.

Rogers and Barnes at the corners, Hall or Landry at free safety, Horton at strong safety, Doughty at weak safety. Then Orakpo as a rush LB with Blades and Fletcher as interior types in a gap-focused scheme. [B] Haynesworth-Alexander-Jarmon/Carter on the DL.[/B]

Rogers at free safety seems like a bit of a waste, considering that the regression of the scheme in DB aggressiveness (a staple of the Gregg Williams scheme) seems to be primarily to blame for Rogers' poor season, but all the points I would have made seem to have been made already, so I have little to add but to propose a ridiculous defensive alignment.[/quote]
Alexander in the middle? shouldn't the middle guy in a 3-3-5 bring a double team against him?

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;662688]Horton at OLB. He isn't afraid of putting his face in someone's chest and he has the speed to cover the flats...interesting. I was a fan of signing Roy Williams for that experiment last year. Ideally, you want a player that has played the position but these guys are so athletic that they can or should be able to play multiple positions (what's the difference between playing SS and OLB?) Having played both, granted in HS, the only difference is about 5 yards difference off the LOS and coverage responsibilities.

I wonder if he can put that much weight on.[/quote]
yeah that's why I was suggesting maybe ILB.. that's quite a bit of weight to put on.. he has enough speed now, but 30 pounds heavier will he? can he go up against a big TE, rb like Jacobs, etc?

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;662686]Rod woodson too. It's not out of the question. But I'd rather give K.Moore a shot and move Landry to SS. I don't think Horton has the range though he's had a nose for the ball.[/quote]
He got a couple of INTs right his way, including tips, I'm not sure that's a nose for the ball.. he's a bit of a liability in coverage.

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[quote=SmootSmack;662461]Because guys like Woodson, Springs, and Rolle have all done it[/quote]

and how does los fit in with that group of guys????

Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

How about sticking a boot up his ass?

Better yet, how about replacing his bricks with hands?

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[quote=mlmdub130;662845]and how does los fit in with that group of guys????[/quote]

They all were drafted as cornerbacks? My only point was that it's been done before, and successfully. Not saying it would happen with Los but it wouldn't be some groundbreaking idea either

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Why not draft Eric Berry?

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[quote=theJBexperience;662856]Why not draft Eric Berry?[/quote]

I would be perfectfly happy with Berry, like jump up and down happy with a smile and stuff. He is the only pick not a OL that would illicit such a reaction.

Saw this also...

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/12/1307276/bills-strong-safety-donte-whitner"]Early speculation on Donte Whitner being signed[/URL]. I know its kinda early but it got me thinking about trade bait back there.

Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;662808]He got a couple of INTs right his way, including tips, I'm not sure that's a nose for the ball.. he's a bit of a liability in coverage.[/quote]

I agree to an extent. I don't think deep coverage is his strong point which is why he's better suited to play in the box (OLB...why not, they toyed with chris wilson at the position?).

I guess I overstated Horton having a nose for the ball. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed have a nose for the ball. Horton has made plays when they've come to him which is far more than we can say for Rogers.

I really think he'd do well playing in the box. He isn't afraid to stuff run action his way and i think he could cover the TE or backs out of the backfield.

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Bites too much on double moves, undisciplined, no way we can use him as the last line of defense.

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Please no Whitner.

There are a lot of good FS in the draft besides Eric Berry worth targeting: Taylor Mays, Earl Thomas, Chad Jones, maybe even Myron Rolle.

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[quote=theJBexperience;662921]Please no Whitner.

There are a lot of good FS in the draft besides Eric Berry worth targeting: Taylor Mays, Earl Thomas, Chad Jones, maybe even Myron Rolle.[/quote]

We have to many needs to a waste pick on another safety

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I'd say yes, he hits very hard for a corner. He could be our Antrel Rolle.

Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

[quote=Player_HTTR;662860]I would be perfectfly happy with Berry, like jump up and down happy with a smile and stuff. He is the only pick not a OL that would illicit such a reaction.
[/quote]

Yes, because draft day reactions are an indicator of future success :D Well at least for the Jets.

[quote=theJBexperience;662921]
There are a lot of good FS in the draft besides Eric Berry worth targeting: Taylor Mays, Earl Thomas, Chad Jones, maybe even Myron Rolle.[/quote]

Myron Rolle is a rare class of human being with a combination of smarts and athletic ability. Someone's going to get a heck of a football player a few years down the line, if that.

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It doesn't make sense to move Hall to FS as he is being paid like an elite cover corner. That is just too much money to throw at an experiment.

Horton is not a FS as he gets roasted in coverage situations. He had a great start to his career but he is not who you want as the last line of defense or covering a good pass catching tight end.

IMO Rogers is just too good as a cornerback to play around with back there. I would rather go with a FA if we really need to upgrade there.

I still think that Landry can play that position and he is currently our best FS. Hopefully Haslett can coach him up.

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[quote=theJBexperience;662856]Why not draft Eric Berry?[/quote]

It is very likely that he won't be there at 4. But if he is, I would want him over Bradford and Clausen 100 out of 100 times.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;662942]

Horton is not a FS as he gets roasted in coverage situations. He had a great start to his career but he is not who you want as the[B] last line of defense or covering a good pass catching tight end.[/B]
[/quote]

Last line of defense is the FS's job, covering Tight Ends frequently is done by SS's. So where do you want Horton playing?

Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

[quote=DIE-NASTY;662903]I agree to an extent. I don't think deep coverage is his strong point which is why he's better suited to play in the box (OLB...why not, they toyed with chris wilson at the position?).

I guess I overstated Horton having a nose for the ball. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed have a nose for the ball. Horton has made plays when they've come to him which is far more than we can say for Rogers.

I really think he'd do well playing in the box. He isn't afraid to stuff run action his way and i think he could cover the TE or backs out of the backfield.[/quote]
Yeah, Wilson has a good 45lbs or so on Horton though. Jacobs would roll him easier than he did Landry.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;662942]It doesn't make sense to move Hall to FS as he is being paid like an elite cover corner. That is just too much money to throw at an experiment.

[B]Horton is not a FS as he gets roasted in coverage situations. He had a great start to his career but he is not who you want as the last line of defense or covering a good pass catching tight end.[/B]
[B]IMO Rogers is just too good as a cornerback to play around with back there[/B]. I would rather go with a FA if we really need to upgrade there.

[B]I still think that Landry can play that position and he is currently our best FS[/B]. Hopefully Haslett can coach him up.[/quote]


how can you judge horton on one year? who knows what he can do we honestly haven't seen enough of him to know what his potential

and rogers is too good of a cover corner? according to who, byron westbrook?

as far as landry goes i agree with you i think he is our best safety he has shown great talent and ability, he just needs to harness it hopefully some new coaching with a better game plan will help him out. cause where he is at now is a huge dissapointment from where we drafted him

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662946]Last line of defense is the FS's job, covering Tight Ends frequently is done by SS's. So where do you want Horton playing?[/quote]
FS also picks up or helps on receiver routes, I'd rather have Horton doing SS over FS by far.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;662943]It is very likely that he won't be there at 4. But if he is, I would want him over Bradford and Clausen 100 out of 100 times.[/quote]

i think he could be there at four and i'm with you on getting him 100 out of 100 times, unless we can trade down

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662946]Last line of defense is the FS's job, covering Tight Ends frequently is done by SS's. So where do you want Horton playing?[/quote]

Well, I am not a huge Horton fan, honestly. He had one great game. I think he is probably our 4th best safety. Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton..

Average tight ends on him are a mismatch and I wouldn't sleep a wink if someone told me he had to cover Witten for an entire game. He has no shot against wide receivers either.

He definitely is worth a roster spot but I haven't seen anything from him to think he is going to fix our secondary problems.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;662952]Well, I am not a huge Horton fan, honestly. He had one great game. [B]I think he is probably our 4th best safety. Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton[/B]..

Average tight ends on him are a mismatch and I wouldn't sleep a wink if someone told me he had to cover Witten for an entire game. He has no shot against wide receivers either.

He definitely is worth a roster spot but I haven't seen anything from him to think he is going to fix our secondary problems.[/quote]

how do you put moore ahead of horton??

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[quote=mlmdub130;662956]how do you put moore ahead of horton??[/quote]


I like how Moore hits and I thought he made a great interception against NO before he coughed it up (I think he was down but it doesn't matter at this point....). Moore isn't coming off IR either.

Even if Horton is better than Moore, which is possible, my main point is that I do not envision Horton coming back and making us forget about our FS issues. It is much more likely that Landry steps up and plays the position at a high level.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;662960]I like how Moore hits and I thought he made a great interception against NO before he coughed it up (I think he was down but it doesn't matter at this point....). Moore isn't coming off IR either.

Even if Horton is better than Moore, which is possible, my main point is that I do not envision Horton coming back and making us forget about our FS issues. [B]It is much more likely that Landry steps up and plays the position at a high level[/B].[/quote]

you and i want the same thing. i really think the sky is the limit for landry he just needs someone to show him the way and blache and gray were doing the opposite, hopefully he will shine through this year otherwise the only thread worth talking about dirty laundry willl be the landry is a bust thread

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It's a possibility. He's get decent enough size and physicality. I agree that having the plays in front of him may help his ball tracking. Offseason is a good time to experiment with it. The key question is whether he's willing to try the move.

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You know that Landry is bad at run support (see runs by Steven Jackson and Michael Turner) and [B]couldn't chase down[/B] Jason Witten, which are two things SS should at least be competent in? His athleticism is not any sort of actual insurance that makes him deserving a starting spot over Horton or Doughty.

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Is Sharper a FS or SS? He'll be an UFA this offseason. Although I'm sure he wont come cheap and/or the Saints may try to keep him.

Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;663041]Is Sharper a FS or SS? He'll be an UFA this offseason. Although I'm sure he wont come cheap and/or the Saints may try to keep him.[/quote]

He's a FS and He will be expensive but won't leave New Orleans IMO, they'll offer him a load of money since he's there number 1 priority FA to keep, and if worse comes to worse contract wise, they'll franchise him

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;663009]You know that Landry is bad at run support (see runs by Steven Jackson and Michael Turner) and [B]couldn't chase down[/B] Jason Witten, which are two things SS should at least be competent in? His athleticism is not any sort of actual insurance that makes him deserving a starting spot over Horton or Doughty.[/quote]


Do you remember what Jackson did to ST in 2006? Jackson is one of the best runningbacks in football and put up good numbers as the ONLY threat on the team.

Landry is faster than Witten.

Landry also had several disgusting plays against Dallas in Dallas. There is always a play here or there to use as evidence against a play but Landry is on another planet compared to those two guys. It isn't even close.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;663046]Do you remember what Jackson did to ST in 2006? Jackson is one of the best runningbacks in football and put up good numbers as the ONLY threat on the team.

Landry is faster than Witten.

Landry also had several disgusting plays against Dallas in Dallas. There is always a play here or there to use as evidence against a play but Landry is on another planet compared to those two guys. It isn't even close.[/quote]
Exactly, you can't judge a player on a few plays.

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[quote=tryfuhl;663066]Exactly, you can't judge a player on a few plays.[/quote]

except for when its a few plays every game ;)

Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;663046]Do you remember what Jackson did to ST in 2006? Jackson is one of the best runningbacks in football and put up good numbers as the ONLY threat on the team.

Landry is faster than Witten.

Landry also had several disgusting plays against Dallas in Dallas. There is always a play here or there to use as evidence against a play but Landry is on another planet compared to those two guys. It isn't even close.[/quote]

By 40 times, yes.

But on that play, he got beat and stayed beat.

If Gradkowski stayed in, there was a good chance Landry would have made the wrong end of the highlight reel, but fat JaMarcus is so bad that he was spared.