Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;666468]I disagree with you Inok because a team has a higher likelihood to hit than miss with a Dend like Suh. It's like when the Texans took Mario...time has proven that they made the right decision. As good as Bradford could be, he still would have no one if drafted by the Rams up front good enough to protect him; therefore he is likely to run the risk of reinjuring the shoulder.[/quote]

I think the Rams may actually have a better line than ours...I do know that they are pretty young, with almost all of the starters under 30. It seems that Jason Smith had injury problems this season (concussion), but if he's healthy, that could improve their line. I'm sure they could use a veteran in that offensive line.

The Rams do need a QB, and they also need receivers, they have no one to throw the ball to. Fortunately for them, they don't need to pick up a WR in the first round, so they could go ahead and pick up Bradford in the first round.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Hmm.. If Bradford gets drafted #1, then Suh, and McCoy would get picked up, and we'd draft Okung or Davis. I'd be happy either way, although I think that we're going to end up with Bradford.

What ever happened to Bulger? He used to be so good, but I guess he just got injured the last 2 years.. Seems like he has interesting potential to become the next Kurt Warner - and resurrect his career. Or not. Ah well.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;666470]I agree about us, but we need a QB anyway.. As far as Minny, I'll go with Dallas as another example. Before Romo where were they? Avg or below avg. Same goes with New Orleans before Brees.[/quote]

Yes, but your QB won't be much of anything if he has no protection. Brees has a good line in front of him...Romo...I'm not sure about them and their line. We can pick up Bradford, but Shanahan better do a damn good job fixing our POS line, otherwise we'll be back with the same problem next year.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=ethat001;666475]Hmm.. If Bradford gets drafted #1, then Suh, and McCoy would get picked up, and we'd draft Okung or Davis. I'd be happy either way, although I think that we're going to end up with Bradford.

What ever happened to Bulger? He used to be so good, but I guess he just got injured the last 2 years.. Seems like he has interesting potential to become the next Kurt Warner - and resurrect his career. Or not. Ah well.[/quote]

Bulger got old very fast for some reason...also St. Louis has not done a good job at getting good wideouts since probably Torry Holt left. I think he might have been injured for a game or two last season (Bulger).

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Ruhskins;666476]Yes, but your QB won't be much of anything if he has no protection. Brees has a good line in front of him...Romo...I'm not sure about them and their line. We can pick up Bradford, but Shanahan better do a damn good job fixing our POS line, otherwise we'll be back with the same problem next year.[/quote]


No doubt, I would love to see Okung in DC just as much as Bradford.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Shit, we need linemen of the highest caliber, not some hot shot Qb from a NCAA powerhouse that is totally overhyped. Come on now fellas, Oklahoma is a bigtime college football powerhouse that with the exception of playing Texas, T Tech, and a resurgent Nebraska, plays markedly inferior opponents just about every week. Their out of conference games are a total joke. A better than average QB could excel when you have the deck stacked in your favor. What is going to happen when Mr Bradford faces PARITY? If he is a future Ram, he is screwed since they suck. If he is a future Skin, he is better off, but is still going to face opponents that are evenly matched to his team. Think about this. Since the late 80's/early 90's1 only 3 Qbs that have garnered a ton of publicity(hype) from NCAA Div 1 A football have made a major impact in the NFL: Aikman, Peyton Manning, and McNabb. All 3 from good solid teams, but not the uber powerhouses. They faced tougher competition being on second tier teams, with less talent to back them up. Brees garnered some hype out of Purdue, but nothing like Bradford or McCoy are receiving. Same with Favre, Rivers, and Brady. All 3 solid QBs from the second tier(well Univ of Mich wasn't second tier back then) who faced superior opponents often or at least a lot of teams on par with them in terms of talent. I know the Big Ten is weak now, but when Brady was at Michigan it was still regarded as on par with the SEC as the premier conference in college football. The Big 12 was also weak this year in terms of overall competition.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

With that being said I don't think Brdofr is necessarily overrated in terms of ability, just I think his value is way overhyped. We need to get 3-5 linemen in the next two drafts of starting caliber and keep some of the present line for depth, but we need to get some studs in here. With a great line guys like Sean Canfield, Bill Stull, or even Kafka or Elliot could do well. Not to forget Lefevour or Sheehan from the MAC. We can get these guys in the middle to later rounds establish a solid line and in 2-3 seasons dominate. There are a ton of very good QBs out there. Why limit ourselves to just two possible selections?

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

It doesn't seem like d tackles typically make a huge impact early on (regarding Suh). I don't think they "bust" like other positions, but for instance Raji fought through injury and just struggled to make an impact overall. Okoye (?) is sort of a similar story w/ the Texans. It really seems like it takes a few years for tackles to learn the tricks of the trade, the details, to become really dominant.

So I kind of see drafting Suh and Bradford similar in that you should expect a similar path of success...not immediate excellence. A team should draft on need all else being equal, and the Rams badly need a QB unless they try to build something about Vick or whatever.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Hey Gus, are Miami , cincinatti , fsu and byu jokes? Lol OU actualy plays a very good out of conference schedule if u knew your facts. Not To mention they play in the 2nd toughest conference in the country.. Unlike the weak ass big 10 or PAC 10.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;666492]Hey Gus, are Miami , cincinatti , fsu and byu jokes? Lol OU actualy plays a very good out of conference schedule if u knew your facts. Not To mention they play in the 2nd toughest conference in the country.. Unlike the weak ass big 10 or PAC 10.[/quote]

I was with you up until that last sentence. I think the PAC-10 will officially overtake the SEC in terms of quality, or at least perceived quality, within the next year or two. Cal, Stanford, Washington, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Oregon State, and Oregon are all quality programs right now with a few of those teams eying the possibility of a national championship. All those programs have great coaching, with the exception of USC who is loaded with talent anyway. The only teams in that conference that really stink are Arizona and Washington State.

[quote=The Goat;666490]It doesn't seem like d tackles typically make a huge impact early on (regarding Suh). I don't think they "bust" like other positions, but for instance Raji fought through injury and just struggled to make an impact overall. Okoye (?) is sort of a similar story w/ the Texans. It really seems like it takes a few years for tackles to learn the tricks of the trade, the details, to become really dominant.

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Where did you hear all that stuff about Raji? Raji's play at the nose was considered a focal point in Green Bay's ability to transition to the 3-4 so quickly. And Okoye? Okoye came on very strong but has since played average at best. 5.5 sacks in year one compared to 2.5 sacks over the last two years.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;666461]Lets be realistic, when your starting a franchise, what should you draft? QB OR DT? Let me think.... O yea QB. Hell we have the best DT in the league and you saw what it got us (4-12). Point is everything starts with a QB, yes even Oline. If you don't have a QB (Vikings before Favre), you won't be real successful.[/quote]I don't think I'd build my O-Line around a player like Colt Brennan, but I'm open to the idea that this is only because he wasn't drafted high enough.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

gosh do your homework guys...Clausen is the #1 rated QB in this draft.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

I want Okung. Bad.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

I want a Blumpkin, followed by Okung... Davis sounds like a little bit of trouble.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

I haven't seen a lot of Bradford but he seems similar to Bulger. I think Bulger can play but it seems that he just doesm't have enought pieces around him. Perhaps like JC he just needs a change of scenery.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Anybody thought about Bradford's possible chemistry with Malcolm Kelly? I'm not certain of this but I believe Bradford was a freshman the year before Kelly went pro. If they had a nice chemistry on the field that could mean good things for both Bradford if we end up picking him and for Kelly. Even though I like Campbell I definitely wouldn't mind taking Bradford.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Reading some of these posts just brings painful reminders of 2003. We had a strong offensive line back then (couple of 1st rounders, couple of 3rd rounders, Randy Thomas who I think was a 2nd rounder) yet we couldn't win with Shane Matthews and Danny Wuerfful...which is ridiculous because with that line those guys should have been franchise QBs.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=mooby;666502]Anybody thought about Bradford's possible chemistry with Malcolm Kelly? I'm not certain of this but I believe Bradford was a freshman the year before Kelly went pro. If they had a nice chemistry on the field that could mean good things for both Bradford if we end up picking him and for Kelly. Even though I like Campbell I definitely wouldn't mind taking Bradford.[/quote]

Honestly, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Kelly isn't on the roster come the fall. Seems like some teams have been asking about him and he might be thrown in to help make a deal happen.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666504]Reading some of these posts just brings painful reminders of 2003. We had a strong offensive line back then (couple of 1st rounders, couple of 3rd rounders, Randy Thomas who I think was a 2nd rounder) yet we couldn't win with Shane Matthews and Danny Wuerfful...which is ridiculous because with that line those guys should have been franchise QBs.[/quote]

Good point Smoot, of course O line is important (heck, every aspect of a team is important) but the NFL is a QB league and without a top flite QB a team just cant be successful. 2003 is an excellent example of this.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Of course it's still possible Campbell ends up being the guy. Redskins won't just give him away and they were talking contract extension with his agent back in November/December (talks which apparently are picking up again).

All that said though, my own gut feeling is there won't be a contract extension and Campbell will be traded before the draft

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;666400]Honestly, what does Schefter know? When you get right down to it, he knows just about as much as you or I do. My tea leaves say no one knows. After the first two picks everything goes out the window.[/quote]

I'm going to guess he has a tad more inside info and connections than we do.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

I would not mine seeing getting a great OT at 4 and then McCoy in the 2nd round.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

nothing is for sure until the picks are made.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666507]Of course it's still possible Campbell ends up being the guy. Redskins won't just give him away and they were talking contract extension with his agent back in November/December (talks which apparently are picking up again).

All that said though, my own gut feeling is there won't be a contract extension and Campbell will be traded before the draft[/quote]

Then who is going QB this team next year if what you say is true. Is Shanahan willing to just start a rookie when everyone wants to win now? Also does anyone know what they think about Clausen? I think if he's there at #4 then we should take him.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=skinsfan69;666547]Then who is going QB this team next year if what you say is true. Is Shanahan willing to just start a rookie when everyone wants to win now? Also does anyone know what they think about Clausen? I think if he's there at #4 then we should take him.[/quote]

The people that have a "win now" mentality shouldn't be and aren't the ones making the key decisions

I like Clausen as a QB, I give Bradford the slight edge but if he's there at #4 I wouldn't be against drafting him...of course, the answer to all our problems is Jevan Snead!!!!! What!

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=skinsfan69;666547][B]Then who is going QB this team next year if what you say is true. Is Shanahan willing to just start a rookie when everyone wants to win now?[/B] Also does anyone know what they think about Clausen? I think if he's there at #4 then we should take him.[/quote]

I suppose we would draft a QB at #4, sign a vet like Pennington or Bulger, and see what happens from there.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

What about Campbell and the 4th pick for the number one pick which turns into Bradford. I won't like it but just wondering what folks thought.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666507]Of course it's still possible Campbell ends up being the guy. Redskins won't just give him away and they were talking contract extension with his agent back in November/December (talks which apparently are picking up again).

All that said though, my own gut feeling is there won't be a contract extension and Campbell will be traded before the draft[/quote]

Seems to me, the smart thing to do would be to give him a modest extension right now. something no more than 3 years with salaries no more than 4-5MM/year and 5MM in signing bonus money. If they decide to keep him, great.

but if they decide to trade him, having him under a contract like that should help us get more value out of him in a trade since 1) it would appear that we actually wanted him and 2) the new team wouldn't have to worry about negotiating a huge deal with him or fear that he could walk away after only one year.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;666560]Seems to me, the smart thing to do would be to give him a modest extension right now. something no more than 3 years with salaries no more than 4-5MM/year and 5MM in signing bonus money. If they decide to keep him, great.

but if they decide to trade him, having him under a contract like that should help us get more value out of him in a trade since 1) it would appear that we actually wanted him and 2) the new team wouldn't have to worry about negotiating a huge deal with him or fear that he could walk away after only one year.[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking, something like a 3 year deal at $5M per. Look for a QB to groom in the later rounds. Address OL early.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=skinsfan69;666547]Then who is going QB this team next year if what you say is true. Is Shanahan willing to just start a rookie when everyone wants to win now? Also does anyone know what they think about Clausen? I think if he's there at #4 then we should take him.[/quote]

Jake Locker ... duuuuhhhh :cool-smil

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Lotus;666555]I suppose we would draft a QB at #4, sign a vet like Pennington or Bulger, and see what happens from there.[/quote]

What would make you think that Pennington and Bulger are better than Campbell? Hell, are they better than Todd Collins?

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=mredskins;666558]What about Campbell and the 4th pick for the number one pick which turns into Bradford. I won't like it but just wondering what folks thought.[/quote]


If you want to win less than 4 games, sure...

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

My guess is that his agent will insist on a no-trade or limited-trade clause in any new deal

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

From Chris Mortensen on Twitter:

I trust what I hear Dr. James Andrews is telling teams - Bradford's shoulder is on schedule & will be strong. [B]Brees' injury was much worse[/B].

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666550]The people that have a "win now" mentality shouldn't be and aren't the ones making the key decisions

I like Clausen as a QB, I give Bradford the slight edge but if he's there at #4 I wouldn't be against drafting him...of course, the answer to all our problems is Jevan Snead!!!!! What![/quote]

"The Future Is Now" was on every page in my season ticket renewal package I received by mail a couple of weeks ago. It's obvious that the future being now and winning now are two different things. It's not likely we'll win now with a rookie QB. Keep that bid going for Snead, just not in the first round. jk

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666571]My guess is that his agent will insist on a no-trade or limited-trade clause in any new deal[/quote]

Well if we draft or sign another starting QB, he'll [I]want[/I] to go to another team where he would be assured to be the starter. If Campbells not getting the love here, he'd probably agree to go any team not owned by Al Davis.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666566]What would make you think that Pennington and Bulger are better than Campbell? Hell, are they better than Todd Collins?[/quote]

I don't think that Pennington and Bulger are better than Campbell. For me, I wouldn't trade Campbell unless real riches were involved.

But the question was posed about what we will do at QB if we trade JC before the draft. In this scenario it seems to me that Shanny would want to bring in another vet, if nothing else for competition. If you then wonder what vets are available, Pennington and (likely) Bulger come to mind. That's all.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Rams' GM (and former Redskin) Billy Devaney said they're deciding between Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Mattyk;666562]Exactly what I was thinking, something like [B]a 3 year deal at $5M per. Look for a QB to groom in the later rounds. Address OL early[/B].[/quote]

Makes a lot of sense to me. Build the line, give Jason a chance to show what he can do when he's not getting pounded. If it doesn't work out, trade him. In the meantime the young QB gets brought along slowly without being thrown into the fire and beaten to a pulp.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666600]Rams' GM (and former Redskin) Billy Devaney said they're deciding between Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen[/quote]


Wow Clausen number one would be a shocker.