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[quote=Longtimefan;667218]That's a good post 53. We need a Russell Okung MORE than we need a Bradford or Clausen. We're in desperate need of a Chris Samuels clone unless there are those who think Levi Jones is the answer. I don't ever want to witness again what we saw from what was supposed to be an offensive line in 2009.[/quote]

Actually at this point I'd say that at this point we need Bradford more then Okung and Okung more then Clausen. Or to put it simply:

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. Clausen

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[quote=Longtimefan;667218]That's a good post 53. We need a Russell Okung MORE than we need a Bradford or Clausen. We're in desperate need of a Chris Samuels clone unless there are those who think Levi Jones is the answer. [B]I don't ever want to witness again what we saw from what was supposed to be an offensive line in 2009.[/B][/quote]

Or 2008

Re: Give Colt Brennan a shot with the 1st team offense in 2010
 

does shanny normally carry two or three qbs because that could play a huge part in whether colt brennan stays or goes

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[quote=mlmpetert;667052]If Collins didnt play those 5 games after JC hurt his knee, would the consensus be that Todd is better then Colt? I guess its easy to say Todd is better then Colt because of the success he had during his 5 starts with us, but Colt still hasnt had a chance to prove himself. So yeah Todd is better, but only because we seen something from him, not because Colt had a real chance and blew it[/quote]Good point and well stated. The Collins-Colt debate doesn't have a real well-founded solution.

It's probably not really even worth considering, I guess, if only because if Colt earns his spot on the team next year, Collins can't do anything at age 39 to keep his roster spot. He's pretty much subjected to keep his spot only if there isn't a better option.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667186]All indications are Colt Brennan is a changed man from when he first joined the team. How that translates to the field we'll see. But as long as he's on the team I'll be rooting for him to play well. He definitely has shown flashes of being a solid QB, but those flashes are not as frequent as one would like.

Still, it's kind of funny how one the one hand it's Colt's numbers are impressive no matter what type of offense he played in. Yet somehow that argument doesn't translate to Sam Bradford[/quote]I don't know if there was really an argument being made back in 2008 that Colt Brennan should be considered a top ten draft pick. Certainly, if that had logical basis, someone would have bought low in the third or fourth round.

I don't think the argument is about the impressiveness of Brennan's performance in 2006 and 2007 vs. the impressiveness of Bradford in 2007 and 2008. They both had a pair of unbelievable college seasons, some of the best in history. I think the argument is more, with regards to being the starting quarterback of the Redskins post-Campbell, exactly what have you done for me lately?

In both cases, not much.

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[quote=wolfeskins;667265]does shanny normally carry two or three qbs because that could play a huge part in whether colt brennan stays or goes[/quote]He was a 2 QB carrier near the end of his Denver career with Plummer-Bradlee Van Pelt, then Plummer-Cutler, then Cutler-Ramsey. It's likely that until he has an established, unquestioned quarterback here, he'll probably have three on the roster.

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[quote=53Fan;667214][B]I have no problem with Sam Bradford or how he got his numbers. I think he's a damn fine QB and would be excited to have him join our team. I just want to see Colt given a chance because I'm really curious about what he can do. He is somewhat charismatic and that could carry over in a good way. He seems fearless and confident and if he has learned not to be careless he could be very productive.[/B] Plus.... we've already got him. We don't have to spend our first pick to get him and we can can use that pick to finally address the o-line and get someone the caliber of Russell Okung. I would really like to see the guys we choose at skill positions developed and given a chance instead of constantly trying to upgrade with another draft pick at the expensive of drafting our biggest weakness. We don't seem to mind using #1's for safetys and such but we don't seem to want to "waste" a #1 on a LT when we can get someone who's an upgrade later on. It doesn't take much to upgrade the line we have. Maybe if we went after the best o-linemen we could get we could actually hit our mark of having a good solid o-line.[/quote]

Excellent post.

Please take what I say w/ a huge grain of salt because I just don't watch college ball consistently, but I see Brennan as a far better passer than Bradford. The video on Bradford shows a kid who struggles to consistently fire a tight-spiraled strike. He passes are wobbly lobs a good share of the time! Does 15 lbs of extra muscle and a healthier shoulder fix it?

Brennan, even as a pretty scrawny college QB, throws tight-spiraled strikes w/ at least some heat on them. Undoubtedly he's put on some size and strength over the last couple years. And he's a hell of the competitor. IMHO it would be stupid to let him go elsewhere IF he's healthy and still hungry to succeed.

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Colt will get his shot I'm sure, what he does with it is another question.

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if i'm not mistaken, arent we having some sort of camp BEFORE the draft? If Brennan and Campbell do well there, I think there's a very good chance Shanahan will shift his focus away from Bradford. It certainly would be ideal if Campbell or Brennan could win Shanahan's confidence before the draft. Picking up Okung in the first, Charles Brown in the 2nd, and a C/G/RB in the 4th sure would be nice.

Do we know yet whether we have any comp picks in the draft?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667655][B]if i'm not mistaken, arent we having some sort of camp BEFORE the draft? [/B] If Brennan and Campbell do well there, I think there's a very good chance Shanahan will shift his focus away from Bradford. It certainly would be ideal if Campbell or Brennan could win Shanahan's confidence before the draft. Picking up Okung in the first, Charles Brown in the 2nd, and a C/G/RB in the 4th sure would be nice.

Do we know yet whether we have any comp picks in the draft?[/quote]

Yep, starting two weeks from today on March 15.

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wow, things are moving very fast.

i wonder how much of our roster will have changed by then. i wouldnt be at all shocked to see alot of our veteran players traded or cut by then.

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I hope Brennan can earn both Shanahan's confidence. How they gon workout in Ashburn? Arent they buried under like 40 inces of snow. i know they are a professional franchise so they have wonderful cleaners but jeez thats alot haha

Re: Give Colt Brennan a shot with the 1st team offense in 2010
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667655]if i'm not mistaken, arent we having some sort of camp BEFORE the draft? If Brennan and Campbell do well there, I think there's a very good chance Shanahan will shift his focus away from Bradford. It certainly would be ideal if Campbell or Brennan could win Shanahan's confidence before the draft. Picking up Okung in the first, Charles Brown in the 2nd, and a C/G/RB in the 4th sure would be nice.

Do we know yet whether we have any comp picks in the draft?[/quote]


Are you talking Brown out of USC?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667140]Dude he played in a douche conference. Who would you rather have as a starting QB, a guy who faced big time competition just about every week or some guy racking up stats against teams that are barely Div IA? How come he would have gone undrafted if we didn't pick him up? You know why? After all the hype about him and Hawaii going undefeated into the BCS Sugar Bowl, he got his ass kicked by Georgia. I give the guy props for his records, but his situation was like if the Gators played NAIA opponents all year[/quote]

Yeah UH played teams with weak defenses unless you count the game where they blasted Boise. But which team in the Big 12 fielded a defense the yr bradford put up monster numbers? They were avg 40 or so a game until they ran into a REAL D IN FLORIDA. I remember him throwing crucial a pick in the RZ and at the end of the BCS. So imo both played in high powered offenses in college vs teams with sub par defenses. And yes UGA thumped UH mainly because they rushed 3 and STILL sacked that kid Colt all day.. Name 1 QB who would have done better in that situation. 8 covering your 4-5 depending on if the back blocked with 3 putting you on your backside 8 times

And to say UF plays a cupcake sched is kindof hard to prove when they still beat the other number 1's they play in the bowls. OSU,OU and Cincy. number 1 teams from other conf's= all wins, 2 were over at the half. if they lost these games then you would have a point about their schedule. not the case so hate on.

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[quote=Mattyk;667460]Colt will get his shot I'm sure, what he does with it is another question.[/quote]

Totally agree. If he can stay healthy and study hard he might do well in Kyle Shanahan's pass happy offense. Especially since he was in a pass happy offense while in Hawaii.

or he could fold like a bad deck of cards. lol.

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[quote=mredskins;667675]Are you talking Brown out of USC?[/quote]

yeah, do you not think he's worth taking with our 2nd round pick? i havent read how he did at the combine.

Regarding our QB situation, so much focus is being placed on who our starting QB will be, we also need to think about our backup situation. I don't see Todd sticking around so if Brennan doesn't impress, we could be looking at 3 new QBs on the roster.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667916]yeah, do you not think he's worth taking with our 2nd round pick? i havent read how he did at the combine.

Regarding our QB situation, so much focus is being placed on who our starting QB will be, we also need to think about our backup situation. I don't see Todd sticking around so if Brennan doesn't impress, [B]we could be looking at 3 new QBs on the roster.[/B][/quote]

I'll bet that we hang on to JC. But if we do not, you could be right.

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:bdh:

i can't wait until april 22nd!!!

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[quote=Lotus;667954]I'll bet that we hang on to JC. But if we do not, you could be right.[/quote]

the only way i want us to hang on to JC is if shanahan will commit to him for atleast 2 years (unless his play just totally drops off, of course). IMO its simply not worth it to keep him for another year while we groom a rookie and then let him walk away for nothing when his contract expires after the 2010 season. Right now, Bradford is the only QB that could be available to us in the draft or free agency that even has the potential to be a significant upgrade over Campbell here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667966]the only way i want us to hang on to JC is if shanahan will commit to him for atleast 2 years (unless his play just totally drops off, of course). IMO its simply not worth it to keep him for another year while we groom a rookie and then let him walk away for nothing when his contract expires after the 2010 season. Right now, Bradford is the only QB that could be available to us in the draft or free agency that even has the potential to be a significant upgrade over Campbell here.[/quote]

I agree all around.

Maybe if we come home from the draft without Bradford, the FO will get going on an extension for JC.

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[quote=Lotus;667974]I agree all around.

Maybe if we come home from the draft without Bradford, the FO will get going on an extension for JC.[/quote]

i think that, unless the team is already 100% convinced that Campbell can't get it done, he won't be traded until the draft. If Bradford is on the board, we'll draft him and unload Campbell. If he's not, then we'll keep Campbell, draft Okung at 4, another OT in the 2nd, Hardesty in the 4th, and see how the offense looks in 2010. If it clicks, Campbell will get a REAL extension during or after the season. All things considered, our offense should be dramatically better in 2010 (when compared to 2009) in the second scenario. even moreso if we can trade some guys and pick up some additional picks in rounds 3 and 4. this is a very very deep draft.

Re: Give Colt Brennan a shot with the 1st team offense in 2010
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667976]i think that, unless the team is already 100% convinced that Campbell can't get it done, he won't be traded until the draft. If Bradford is on the board, we'll draft him and unload Campbell. If he's not, then we'll [B]keep Campbell, draft Okung at 4, another OT in the 2nd, Hardesty in the 4th, and see how the offense looks in 2010.[/B] If it clicks, Campbell will get a REAL extension during or after the season. All things considered, our offense should be dramatically better in 2010 (when compared to 2009) in the second scenario. even moreso if we can trade some guys and pick up some additional picks in rounds 3 and 4. this is a very very deep draft.[/quote]

I would consider this a good way to go. If we can get Okung and another OT or someone like Pouncey, who can play center or guard in the second, I think we've made a significant upgrade to our line and gained some youth. Fill in some more with a couple of FA acquisitions and JC has better protection this year. Hardesty would be an upgrade and would be a good fit for this offense. Sign a couple of quality "D" players in free agency and I would consider this about as successful an off-season as could be reasonably expected.

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^ Okung in the 1st
Pouncey in the 2nd
T Kyle Calloway in the 4th

We walk away from the draft with the best LT, the best C, and a capable RT

We may need to trade into the third to get Hardesty anyway

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[quote=Lotus;667979]^ Okung in the 1st
Pouncey in the 2nd
T Kyle Calloway in the 4th

[B]We walk away from the draft with the best LT, the best C, and a capable RT[/B]

We may need to trade into the third to get Hardesty anyway[/quote]

That'll work too.

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Using every draft pick on the oline would be as dumb as not using any draft picks on the oline.

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[quote=mredskins;667981]Using every draft pick on the oline would be as dumb as not using any draft picks on the oline.[/quote]

Spot on!

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[quote=mredskins;667981]Using every draft pick on the oline would be as dumb as not using any draft picks on the oline.[/quote]

I agree. The scenario above does not exhaust all of our draft picks. The scenario above also is just a scenario.

Personally I might prefer to bring home Bradford from the first or Jahvid Best from the second. I also will wish for LB Pat Angerer if we don't sign Dansby.

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[quote=mredskins;667981]Using every draft pick on the oline would be as dumb as not using any draft picks on the oline.[/quote] holy crap! we only have three draft picks?!?!?! i know we traded the 3rd for jarmon and the 6th for taylor, butwhat happened to the other two?!

EDIT - oops, looks like Lotus beat me to it.

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^^ I'll bet we increase our number of picks through trades, too.

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[quote=mredskins;667981]Using every draft pick on the oline would be as dumb as not using any draft picks on the oline.[/quote]

Your right, Dockery's fine. Maybe we should just use 1 pick for the other 4 positions of need on the o-line. He better be one hell of a player.

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[quote=53Fan;667986]Your right, Dockery's fine. Maybe we should just use 1 pick for the other 4 positions of need on the o-line. He better be one hell of a player.[/quote]

we could always go the UDFA route, it's worked great for us in recent years!

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[quote=53Fan;667978]I would consider this a good way to go. If we can get Okung and another OT or someone like Pouncey, who can play center or guard in the second, I think we've made a significant upgrade to our line and gained some youth. Fill in some more with a couple of FA acquisitions and JC has better protection this year. Hardesty would be an upgrade and would be a good fit for this offense. Sign a couple of quality "D" players in free agency and I would consider this about as successful an off-season as could be reasonably expected.[/quote]

I like your take. With Hardesty running behind Okung and Pouncey, some damage can be done.

Hardesty bummed me out by having a good combine because it may have driven his stock up. :)

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[quote=Lotus;667988]I like your take. With Hardesty running behind Okung and Pouncey, some damage can be done.

[B]Hardesty bummed me out by having a good combine because it may have driven his stock up.[/B] :)[/quote]

I think the only real chance we have is there are other RB's rated higher and [B]maybe[/B] only a couple will be taken high. If the defensive players and o-linemen are gobbled up maybe players like Hardesty will still be there. If we could get more picks that would be great. But yeah, I'd love to see a young RB with talent running behind those guys. :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;667987]we could always go the UDFA route, it's worked great for us in recent years![/quote]

Ahhhh...you may be on to something C. :laughing-

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[quote=wolfeskins;667057]besides the fact that he's old, todd seems like a horrible fit for shannys offense. i gotta believe he's a gonner.[/quote]

Why is Todd Collins a bad fit for Mike Shanahan's offense?

Re: Give Colt Brennan a shot with the 1st team offense in 2010
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667655]if i'm not mistaken, arent we having some sort of camp BEFORE the draft? [/quote]

they're called offseason workouts/program

who knows what will go on with nobody watching though

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[quote=PHazard;667669]I hope Brennan can earn both Shanahan's confidence. How they gon workout in Ashburn? Arent they buried under like 40 inces of snow. i know they are a professional franchise so they have wonderful cleaners but jeez thats alot haha[/quote]

what? the snow's been gone for awhile

Re: Give Colt Brennan a shot with the 1st team offense in 2010
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667966]the only way i want us to hang on to JC is if shanahan will commit to him for atleast 2 years (unless his play just totally drops off, of course). IMO its simply not worth it to keep him for another year while we groom a rookie and then let him walk away for nothing when his contract expires after the 2010 season. Right now, Bradford is the only QB that could be available to us in the draft or free agency that even has the potential to be a significant upgrade over Campbell here.[/quote]

so sign him to a 2 year contract now? or tender/hold on then sign for 1 more year?

I don't see that happening

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I'm all for having a competition, that way when people see that Colt is not a starting quarterback, these threads won't pop up anymore

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[quote=Son Of Man;667028]I know that Colt is the darling of alot of posters on WP while others could careless about the former Hawaii standout. I fall somewhere in the middle as a guy who liked him coming out of college and feels like he has a realistic shot of being an All-Pro caliber QB (...yes, I know it's a bit of a long shot) with the right work ethic and coaching. I think we need to see him with the first team O this pre-season to see what he can do against NFL caliber competition. If he can be solid this prseason, win the starting job (not a stretch for a third year player, despite the injury) and give a solid perfomance this season...then we may not have to look outside of Ashburn for our QB for the next 10 years. What do you think?[/quote]

No way Colt Brenan couldnt lead bugs to a rib roast!! He didnt look like pro caliber material in the preseason.Jason Campbell is the qb of the future of this franchise! If the so called line could hold up for one second he could throw the ball!!By the time the season was over we were down to off the street running backs!! Kill that Colt Brennan talk not gonna happen!!!