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[quote=Gmanc711;668009]I'm really glad he's not coming back. Not that I wouldnt love Chris Samuels on the feild, but the thought of him risking the rest of his life is just crazy. He's thirty something, has all the money he could ask for... just live life with your family, Chris. You deserve it....Thanks for everything.[/quote]
That's what it is to me, the lives of these people that sacrifice themselves for my entertainment far outweigh the possibilities. If you told me today that we could win a SB with him, but then he'd become paralyzed, I'd take another 4-12 without question. There's a life outside of and above sports and this is a great example of it. My biggest hope is that Chris can lead an outstanding life from here on out.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;667730]Is this supposed to make a case for the draft QB crowd and the resulting hidden premise that having a good QB means not a stud LT is not necessary?[/quote]

It was more a snarky way of pointing out that you need a whole team, OL, great QB, strong defense to win. You have to be able to plan and take advantage of the draft, free agency, and roster veterans to create a team that will compete year in, year out. We haven't seen that in a decade, and if MS/BA can accomplish it, regardless of what position they take in the first round of the draft, then that will be outstanding.

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got to meet samuels about a month ago out at redskins park he is a cool dude, just sat there and bs'ed with him for a while, talked about how he wants to coach and wants to stay in the area, i have no idea why.

he was always the player i gave s, but he really was one of the best redskins of the past decade sucks to see him go but it is by far the right thing to do. hopefully we can fill his spot with someone who can have half of ther consistancy he gave us. be interesting to hear his thoughts when he gives his retirement speech

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[quote=mlmdub130;668520]got to meet samuels about a month ago out at redskins park he is a cool dude, just sat there and bs'ed with him for a while, talked about how he wants to coach and wants to stay in the area, i have no idea why.

he was always the player i gave s, but he really was one of the best redskins of the past decade sucks to see him go but it is by far the right thing to do. hopefully we can fill his spot with someone who can have half of ther consistancy he gave us. be interesting to hear his thoughts when he gives his retirement speech[/quote]

I hope he has the chance to coach in the area. I always loved that Samuels embraced the culture and the history of the Redskins, and always seemed so enthusiastic about the idea of retiring in burgundy. Glad he gets to do that, and on his own terms.

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Sucks to see CS go, he definitely had some more years left in him.

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It'll be interesting to see what kind of role Randy Thomas plays this year. Unless you count Dockery, he really is the last piece of the old guard that's still here. I have to imagine he will be the day one RG, but if he makes it to Week 3, that will be 2 times in the last 4 seasons he's plugged all the way to late September.

With that said, Thomas is still very clearly our best lineman, when healthy. But at this point, I'm not even sure that's average.

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If they bring Thomas back you would think it would have to be as a backup only.

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[quote=Mattyk;668539]If they bring Thomas back you would think it would have to be as a backup only.[/quote]I would think that with the current status quo at the position, he and Dockery are the opening day guards. And I don't believe a late round draft choice would change that.

In addition, the players on the FA market who have experience in the Shanahan-Shanahan system primarily have played LG.

Rinehart could beat him out again this year, it's more than possible and would be a great thing for the long term status of the line, but in the absence of that occuring, I think RT's starting job is safe.

I think we'll look in at bringing in both Wiegmann and Hamilton to play the Center position, but feel confident that the depth chart at RG will either be Thomas-Rinehart (Rinehart-Thomas?), or Thomas-late round rookie.

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[quote=Mattyk;668539]If they bring Thomas back you would think it would have to be as a backup only.[/quote]

I agree with this but they need to rip up his old contract first.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668543]I would think that with the current status quo at the position, he and Dockery are the opening day guards. And I don't believe a late round draft choice would change that.

In addition, the players on the FA market who have experience in the Shanahan-Shanahan system primarily have played LG.

Rinehart could beat him out again this year, it's more than possible and would be a great thing for the long term status of the line, but in the absence of that occuring, I think RT's starting job is safe.

I think we'll look in at bringing in both Wiegmann and Hamilton to play the Center position, but feel confident that the depth chart at RG will either be Thomas-Rinehart (Rinehart-Thomas?), or Thomas-late round rookie.[/quote]

Isn't Big Mike just as good or better than Rinehart?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668545]Isn't Big Mike just as good or better than Rinehart?[/quote]Doubt it. They're different kinds of Guards, but Mike Williams can't make the cut block on the interior that was so critical to the zone rushing attack. He can hold his own in one on one protection, but I don't think that Rinehart is going to struggle with a majority of 3-techniques and blitzing ILBs.

Last year, it probably wouldn't much have mattered which guy was playing, we weren't going to be able to run the ball. Going forward, Rinehart is better.

I don't think Shanahan is going to make any attempt to re-sign Mike Williams, who came here on a one-year deal.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668562]Doubt it. They're different kinds of Guards, but Mike Williams can't make the cut block on the interior that was so critical to the zone rushing attack. He can hold his own in one on one protection, but I don't think that Rinehart is going to struggle with a majority of 3-techniques and blitzing ILBs.

Last year, it probably wouldn't much have mattered which guy was playing, we weren't going to be able to run the ball. Going forward, Rinehart is better.

I don't think Shanahan is going to make any attempt to re-sign Mike Williams, who came here on a one-year deal.[/quote]


It sounds like you don't think he could improve any. I was hopeful that with a healthy foot, being used to his new body type and the first year of playing football after many off would leave some room for improvement.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668577]It sounds like you don't think he could improve any. I was hopeful that with a healthy foot, being used to his new body type and the first year of playing football after many off would leave some room for improvement.[/quote]There's probably something to that, but even if you're right and I'm wrong, he's still a 30 year old playing RG for the first time in his career. Any gains he made would be short lived.

We certainly have the option at returning him on a contract near the veteran minimum. I just don't foresee Shanahan using an OL roster spot on him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668580]There's probably something to that, but even if you're right and I'm wrong, he's still a 30 year old playing RG for the first time in his career. Any gains he made would be short lived.

We certainly have the option at returning him on a contract near the veteran minimum. I just don't foresee Shanahan using an OL roster spot on him.[/quote]

You are probably right. Maybe it is wishful thinking that one of those bums that played for us last year could be a serviceable backup.

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even though he was from bama...i love samuels. He had a great career, many pro bowls...and a class act to boot! doesn't get much better. I'm glad he's retiring though, I was afraid he would risk further injury had he continued to play. It is a shame what happened to him though...but I bet he has plenty of money to live off of...or he could get a job on espn or nfl network!

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maybe a thread title update for those who don't know yet?

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[quote=tryfuhl;668699]maybe a thread title update for those who don't know yet?[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Updating it now

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Redskins Tribute video for Chris Samuels at:
[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/04/rbns-chris-samuels-tribute-video/]RBN's Chris Samuels Highlight Video[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668767]Redskins Tribute video for Chris Samuels at:
[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/04/rbns-chris-samuels-tribute-video/]RBN's Chris Samuels Highlight Video[/url][/quote]

I can't think of a better player to have represent your team than Chris Samuels. Awesome player, awesome human being. He will be missed both for his play...and his character. I wish him nothing but good things for his future.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668767]Redskins Tribute video for Chris Samuels at:
[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/04/rbns-chris-samuels-tribute-video/]RBN's Chris Samuels Highlight Video[/url][/quote]

Are you going to keep him for your avatar, C?

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[quote=Lotus;668787]Are you going to keep him for your avatar, C?[/quote]

Probably for a while, really no one on the team symbolizes the striving for excellence through this past decade's adversity the way he does. But then again, the new Skins decade begins in earnest tomorrow, so I won't lock it down 100%.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668815]Probably for a while, really no one on the team symbolizes the striving for excellence through this past decade's adversity the way he does. But then again, the new Skins decade begins in earnest tomorrow, so I won't lock it down 100%.[/quote]

Cool. CS is one of the greatest of Redskins. I was just curious.

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He says he wants to coach next, wonder if we can make room for him?

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[quote=Mattyk;668843]He says he wants to coach next, wonder if we can make room for him?[/quote]


He said that Coach S. offered him an coaching internship with the team so he will be there next year.

That is awesome, we are really lucky to have a guy like him want to be a part of the team.

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[quote=Mattyk;668843]He says he wants to coach next, wonder if we can make room for him?[/quote]

I think he said Shanahan offered him a chance to work in the offseason and he was offered a minority internship. That would be great to have Chris coaching here. :woot:

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[quote=53Fan;668845]I think he said Shanahan offered him a chance to work in the offseason and he was offered a minority internship. That would be great to have Chris coaching here. :woot:[/quote]

He can be Okung's personal coach :)

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668844]He said that Coach S. offered him an coaching internship with the team so he will be there next year.

That is awesome, we are really lucky to have a guy like him want to be a part of the team.[/quote]

That's great

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[quote=53Fan;668845]I think he said Shanahan offered him a chance to work in the offseason and he was offered a minority internship. That would be great to have Chris coaching here. :woot:[/quote]

HTTR! Excellent to hear!

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why not just call it an internship? calling it a "minority internship" makes it seem like he's being offered the job to fill some sort of quota and not beause he's legitimately qualified for the job.

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I'm glad Samuels gets to go out at or near the peak of his game. Jansen didn't, Thomas won't, Moss didn't, Portis didn't, Griffin didn't, Marcus Washington didn't. Samuels is getting the opportunity to cement his legacy as one of the better Redskins of all time, without playing to the point where he is hurting the team.

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I agree. CS is a classy guy and a true redskin. He went out at the top of his game, and now he gets to be a coach...

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[quote=GTripp0012;668876]I'm glad Samuels gets to go out at or near the peak of his game. Jansen didn't, Thomas won't, Moss didn't, Portis didn't, Griffin didn't, Marcus Washington didn't. Samuels is getting the opportunity to cement his legacy as one of the better Redskins of all time, without playing to the point where he is hurting the team.[/quote]

You think Moss is done?

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[quote=Mattyk;668898]You think Moss is done?[/quote]Compared to the difference between where Samuels is now compared to his peak, Moss was done in 2007. It was kind of cool that he got 1,000 yards last year (08), but I don't think he's got any chance to beat age after the last few years.

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So he should have retired at 28?

He's clearly on the downside of his career but he's still got something left, especially in a better system under Shanahan.

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[quote=Mattyk;668901]So he should have retired at 28?

He's clearly on the downside of his career but he's still got something left, especially in a better system under Shanahan.[/quote]If he had retired at 28, it would have been similar to Samuels retiring now at 32. Since 2007, he's been a negative effect on the offense (exception to a 5 game stretch in 2008). I do not believe that any amount of Shanahan magic is going to make Moss a valuable player like he was in 2004 and (particularly) 2005.

Most players are like Moss in that they keep playing until they just don't have the desire to play anymore. Maybe Samuels would have been like this if he had the option to play longer. But in his ten year career, he was still our best lineman when he went out, and that's pretty special.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;668873]why not just call it an internship? calling it a "minority internship" makes it seem like he's being offered the job to fill some sort of quota and not beause he's legitimately qualified for the job.[/quote]

Very good point.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;668873]why not just call it an internship? calling it a "minority internship" makes it seem like he's being offered the job to fill some sort of quota and not beause he's legitimately qualified for the job.[/quote]

Two possibilities, one legit:

1) that is just the term used to fulfill tax and legal requirements for the spot.

2) he saved enough and became minority owner of the team and now is interning to take over DS's spot ;)

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I am happy to see him stay as a Coach.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668899]Compared to the difference between where Samuels is now compared to his peak, Moss was done in 2007. It was kind of cool that he got 1,000 yards last year (08), but I don't think he's got any chance to beat age after the last few years.[/quote]

So does Moss throw the ball to himself ? Is Moss putting passes 3 and 4 feet too high or out of bounds ? Is Moss missing himself on deep passes ? No, it isn't. If the other guy deserves another shot then you just might want to give a guy who has to deal with him one too. I'm just saying. If you say that your guy can't be a good QB because of this or that then how is Moss treated differently when his numbers depend on the QB? Or is it also Moss' fault also that your QB is what he is ?

On a better note, it's good that Samuels will stay on with the team as a coaching intern.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;668959]So does Moss throw the ball to himself ? Is Moss putting passes 3 and 4 feet too high or out of bounds ? Is Moss missing himself on deep passes ? No, it isn't. If the other guy deserves another shot then you just might want to give a guy who has to deal with him one too. I'm just saying. If you say that your guy can't be a good QB because of this or that then how is Moss treated differently when his numbers depend on the QB? Or is it also Moss' fault also that your QB is what he is ?

On a better note, it's good that Samuels will stay on with the team as a coaching intern.[/quote]Moss has a good QB. He's just not producing first downs and touchdowns. Randle El and Cooley and Betts have had no problem the last two years.

Moss is the problem.