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2 injury prone RBs, that's a great idea.

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Gainther is still listed on the roster on Redskins.com.

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Ganther is gone

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/report-willie-parker-will-visi.html]Redskins Insider - Willie Parker will visit Ashburn[/url]

We now know that at least five of the tailbacks who finished last season as members of the Redskins -- Rock Cartwright, Ladell Betts, [B]Quinton Ganther[/B], Marcus Mason and Eddie Williams -- will be continuing their careers somewhere else. The Redskins need to reload their backfield and one of the top candidates appears to be Pittsburgh's Willie Parker.

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[quote=diehard;670864]Let's end the Alridge love affair already.[/quote]

Let that be a decision for the coaches to make. After all, it was the Denver program that first recommended Alridge to the Redskins. Don't be blindsided by Zorn's opinion of Alridge because he had a problem with the fumbles, there could be a place on this team for a player with his abilities.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;670866]I'm sorry... but I've been thinking for a while... LaGarrett Blount from Oregon... the guy's stock is down because of the infamous punch... but I LOVE the way the dude runs and we may be able to get a 1st round talent in the 3rd-4th round.[/quote]

I'm with you on this. If he didn't punch the Boise guy he would've been a 1st rounder. Honestly I think the Boise guy deserved to get punched. But I wouldn't reach for the guy. He also had issues besides hitting this guy. A backfield w/ Parker, a rookie and another vet. I'd just cut ties w/ Portis.

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[quote=irish;670983]2 injury prone RBs, that's a great idea.[/quote]

Injury is my biggest concern as well. I was in favor of a Sproles/Chester Taylor/T. Jones move but having 2 guys in the backfield who seem to have dropped off and have missed most of last year with injuries, I wouldnt really get excited about that.

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Although both have been often injured during their careers, they both know what it takes and how to be the number 1 guy. That combination with the addition of a power rookie running back like Blount would give us the running backs for the present (portis/ parker) and the future (Blount/ Aldridge).

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Thanksa Matty. Did not realize that he was released as well.

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Chico I am with you as well. Having Portis and Willie P doesn't sound that great as far as durability goes. Neither one of them has made it through last season and both have injury history.

If we are to add and older Vet back I would prefer either LT or Thomas Jones. But the problem is you still don't get a guy without injury history. And to be clear I understand that all back have injuries. The injuries I am focusing on are prolonged or season ending injuries. Willie has had 2 or 3 years ending. LT just one. And Thomas Jones has been banged up but managed to "gut" it out a few times.

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Parker was only out two games last season, but he was just taken over by Mendenhall. I think (and hope) that a new running philosophy (sharing the running duties) would help with durability. I would prefer parker over LT...and I have the sense that given his numbers, Thomas Jones would want to get paid.

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I'm all for an infusion of youth to join the backfield. We'll make an atempt to get as much out of Portis as he has left, providing he does not continue to be the poster-boy for problems. Some want to cut ties with him altogether but they're not going to pay the guy millions to sit at home.

Just because Parker is paying us a visit dosen't mean he'll neccessarily walk away with a contract. If he were to sign here, he and Portis could be effective for a while, but I have a feeling it would be short lived. Youth and durability is a must for the backfield.

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I like Blount to BTW.

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[quote=freddyg12;670972]I think he was a whole lot better than CP last year. CP looked terrible at times, stumbling on his blockers, losing his balance in the open field.[/quote]

The Jets have an incredible line. We have....well, you know.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;670866]I'm sorry... but I've been thinking for a while... LaGarrett Blount from Oregon... the guy's stock is down because of the infamous punch... but I LOVE the way the dude runs and we may be able to get a 1st round talent in the 3rd-4th round.[/quote]

I recall mcshay saying at the time of the punch that Blount was a 2nd rounder. That was early in the season. I don't know how he did in the combine but Blount probably is somewhere in the 2nd to 4th range. I could see him being there in the 4th regardless of the punch.

Anyway, I agree w/you, though I would add he's worth taking in the 4th for us, but no earlier, even if we pick up a 3rd in a trade.

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When healthy the guy is productive and give us somethign we haven't had at the position since Portis' first year or two. Play making ability. He certainly isn't a big key or anything but he'd be a potentially nice piece for us.

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Blount is a decent option, what about Gerhart? any chance he may still be around in the 3rd to compliment our committee?

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We don't have a 3rd rounder, but I don't see Gerhart lasting that long any way.

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I would just rather play aldridge to be honest. I watched parker a ton last season and just isn't that good anymore. He is out of pittsburg for a reason he isn't good enough to back up mendanhall I sday leave it alone

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bringing in willie parker, who has played on SB teams, isnt a bad idea imo. i would have prefered taylor but alot of our current guys are used to losing and maybe stating to accept it (moss, portis).

with willie, perhaps his expectation of winning will rub off on some people.

we need to change the attitude in that locker room as well as the results on the field.

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I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.

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[quote=12thMan;671064]I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.[/quote]

I agree, plus, he'll have respect for Shanahan as a proven coach that he never had for the inexperienced Zorn. Zorn and Portis had issues from the start and CP had no respect for his coach. He SHOULD respect any position of authority, but did not. I believe he'll view the team as less of a sinking ship and will be more motivated under Shanny. Like I said, he had attitude issues he should not have been having, but I think he'll behave better this year.


Portis and Parker are similar backs...big producers earlier in their careers, now both need someone to compliment them simply to cut down the workload. I think they'll both be very good for us...a solid 1-2 punch if we can fix the line.

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Don't take this CP respect thing too highly.

There was a reason why CP's ass was shown the door in Denver. Rumors said that it was because he wanted more money and threatened to be a hold-out.

CP never gave Gibbs respect that i know of. Players on this team revealed that in an interview some time ago, they were talking about how CP's attitude changed for the worse in 2006 after the injury, and how he would be mouthy with Gibbs, but poor old Joe just sat there and took it.

CP hated Zorn, it's obvious when he told him to "get the F out of my face" during the 2008 season. It's obvious that CP is this way because all of the coaches let him get away with it. The one coach that didn't traded him, and now how ironic that that same coach is here with Portis again.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;671079]Don't take this CP respect thing too highly.

There was a reason why CP's ass was shown the door in Denver. Rumors said that it was because he wanted more money and threatened to be a hold-out.

CP never gave Gibbs respect that i know of. Players on this team revealed that in an interview some time ago, they were talking about how CP's attitude changed for the worse in 2006 after the injury, and how he would be mouthy with Gibbs, but poor old Joe just sat there and took it.

CP hated Zorn, it's obvious when he told him to "get the F out of my face" during the 2008 season. It's obvious that CP is this way because all of the coaches let him get away with it. The one coach that didn't traded him, and now how ironic that that same coach is here with Portis again.[/quote]


I know that Joe 2.0 was different but I have a hard time believing that Joe would "sit there and take it" from anyone. I don't know who the source is but that description smells to me.

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I wish i could remember where that was, or who said it, but I remember reading the article in the Northern Virginia Daily. It was Zorn's first year as head coach and players were talking about how things were going to be "so different". Looking back in hindsight, things only got worse, but at the time players were encouraged after a good pre-season.

It was a former redskin, and his exact quote was "I was shocked at how [Coach] Joe could just sit there and take it from him, from someone who wouldn't practice all week and then show up on Sundays and act like he knew a thing or two about what was going on".

That quote was burned into my memory because it's all the people could talk about over at ExtremeSkins when i was still a poster there.

EDIT: The person who said it was Brian Mitchell. I found it on the extreme-skins archvie. His quote was taken from a snub of a radio interview that he gave on July of 2008, i believe right after the HOF game. Now I know Mitchell hates the skins, but he is credible IMO, and he obviously kept up with the skins enough for him to briefly hold a position on one of the team's shows (redskins post-game live), and the radio station.

He has his own show now on 106.7 the fan.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;671090]I wish i could remember where that was, or who said it, but I remember reading the article in the Northern Virginia Daily. It was Zorn's first year as head coach and players were talking about how things were going to be "so different". Looking back in hindsight, things only got worse, but at the time players were encouraged after a good pre-season.

It was a former redskin, and his exact quote was "I was shocked at how [Coach] Joe could just sit there and take it from him, from someone who wouldn't practice all week and then show up on Sundays and act like he knew a thing or two about what was going on".

That quote was burned into my memory because it's all the people could talk about over at ExtremeSkins when i was still a poster there.

EDIT: The person who said it was Brian Mitchell. I found it on the extreme-skins archvie. His quote was taken from a snub of a radio interview that he gave on July of 2008, i believe right after the HOF game. Now I know Mitchell hates the skins, but he is credible IMO, and he obviously kept up with the skins enough for him to briefly hold a position on one of the team's shows (redskins post-game live), and the radio station.

He has his own show now on 106.7 the fan.[/quote]

I am a fan of BMitch when it comes to Redskinstalk. He doesn't seem like a BSer so maybe it is true. If that is the case, it is good that Joe stepped away.

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Portis is now just a back who can take what the o-line gives him and not much else. No one is afraid of Portis breaking a big one any more. He's strictly a between-the-tackles runner.

Also, his carries will certainly go down simply because Shanahan practically never gives his primary RBs 300+ carries.

This year may be his last year here. If he's stays healthy and doesn't tank, he'll break Riggo's record, but it's more likely he'll tank like LT and get injured.

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[quote=skinsfan69;670988]I'm with you on this. If he didn't punch the Boise guy he would've been a 1st rounder. [B]Honestly I think the Boise guy deserved to get punched. [/B] But I wouldn't reach for the guy. He also had issues besides hitting this guy. A backfield w/ Parker, a rookie and another vet. I'd just cut ties w/ Portis.[/quote]

werd.. guy was being a douchebag the whole night

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[quote=Chico23231;670989]Injury is my biggest concern as well. I was in favor of a Sproles/Chester Taylor/T. Jones move but having 2 guys in the backfield who seem to have dropped off and have missed most of last year with injuries, I wouldnt really get excited about that.[/quote]

A lot of people seemed fine with Portis/Betts

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;671106]Portis is now just a back who can take what the o-line gives him and not much else. No one is afraid of Portis breaking a big one any more. He's strictly a between-the-tackles runner.

Also, his carries will certainly go down simply because Shanahan practically never gives his primary RBs 300+ carries.

This year may be his last year here. If he's stays healthy and doesn't tank, he'll break Riggo's record, but it's more likely he'll tank like LT and get injured.[/quote]

I won't deny he's slowed down a LOT, but there was:

[YT]4hWBnl6ZyiY[/YT]


If he had blocking like that all season, he'd be in the Pro Bowl if healthy.

Lets see how much he REALLY has left if he works hard and gets a little help from the new line. I still think he needs another regularly-used RB (like Parker or a rookie) to cut down his workload and injury risk, but maybe he can still be a contributor.



edit: looks like Rabach was holding... :oink:

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[quote=12thMan;671064]I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.[/quote]

If healthy it would be hard to argue that he wouldn't be productive. It's all up top with a guy like him.

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[quote=12thMan;671064]I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.[/quote]

I agree with this. I dont think we will see the Same Portis this year as we saw last year. If he doesnt come to workouts in shape, if he doesnt work hard like Shanahan wants, he will be def be benched or (less likely) cut and Portis knows that. Shanahan traded Portis when he was at his best what makes you think he wouldnt just sit him now that we've seen him at his worst. I think the new regime is gonna get portis more focused due to the points above.

Everyone thinks he's washed up and to a "superstar" (his thinking) that hurts him and puts that chip on his shoulder. And his desire to pass John Riggins on the Redskins all time leading rushers is also going to motivate him.

To clear up the confusion, we currently have 3 RB's on our roster, Portis, Alridge (who i think the new RB Coach Bobby Turner can help him with his fumbles) and when Bruce Allen first signed on for the Redskins, they signed a young Bruising back in PJ Hill. So we'll hafta see what happens with our backfield but i know we wont go into the 2010 season with Portis, Parker, Hill, Alridge, AND Blount/Hardesty so we'll see.

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[quote=Buster;671112]I won't deny he's slowed down a LOT, but there was:

[YT]4hWBnl6ZyiY[/YT]


If he had blocking like that all season, he'd be in the Pro Bowl if healthy.

Lets see how much he REALLY has left if he works hard and gets a little help from the new line. I still think he needs another regularly-used RB (like Parker or a rookie) to cut down his workload and injury risk, but maybe he can still be a contributor.



edit: looks like Rabach was holding... :oink:[/quote]

Rabach was indeed holding haha, got up the field well though. I still was screaming "CUT RIGHT PORTIS G-D IT!"

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[quote=Buster;671112]I won't deny he's slowed down a LOT, but there was:

[YT]4hWBnl6ZyiY[/YT]


If he had blocking like that all season, he'd be in the Pro Bowl if healthy.

Lets see how much he REALLY has left if he works hard and gets a little help from the new line. I still think he needs another regularly-used RB (like Parker or a rookie) to cut down his workload and injury risk, but maybe he can still be a contributor.



edit: looks like Rabach was holding... :oink:[/quote]


Great blocking by Heyer and Caveman (even Cooley!) on that play. I was about to say good blocking by Rabach too, ha ha. He was way down the field anyway...

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[quote=tryfuhl;671116]Rabach was indeed holding haha, got up the field well though. I still was screaming "CUT RIGHT PORTIS G-D IT!"[/quote]

Sellers and Fred Davis were awesome getting down the field to block too.

Yes, that clip could both show that CP has lost a step...but it could also show that he has enough left in the tank to be productive if blocked for. Tough to decide, but I think he deserves the chance to win a job just like Campbell and everyone else. Shanahan won't put up with laziness and if Portis is starting, I trust the new coach that he's there because he earned it.

Bringing in a RB like Parker who could be on par with Portis would make it a real competition. If Parker is finally healthy again and comes into camp and performs well, he'll get a big chunk or the edge over Portis, but they can both be solid parts of the offense. Keep in mind, even if Portis isn't the runner he used to be, he is still one of the best-blocking RBs in the game and has saved Campbell's head many times. We could use him for pass protection and 10 or so carries a game (good on goal line) if we can find a solid complimentary back or if Shanahan installs his RB system like he had in Denver where ANYONE can succeed.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;671119]Great blocking by Heyer and Caveman (even Cooley!) on that play. I was about to say good blocking by Rabach too, ha ha. He was way down the field anyway...[/quote]

ARE kept his guy tied up as well

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It was Kansas City!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;671133]It was Kansas City![/quote]

Their fans are probably saying "we couldn't even stop Washington!"

Neither team was any good last year.

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yeah...i dont know if we can count a long run against one of the league's worst teams.

Detroit, who statistically WAS the worst team, stuffed him pretty easily..

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^That is as much about CP as it is about the Oline... They work together to get yards.

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Willie Parker is not an improvement over Ladell Betts or Rock Cartwright. All of these backs are on the downside of their careers. Betts and Parker are coming off injury shortened seasons. I prefer Quinton Ganther over all these guys. I would prefer to see Shanahan draft a running back in the 3rd or 4th round. A backfield of Portis, Ganther and a rookie would be preferable.