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[quote=Longtimefan;672054]Eye towards the future hoping he'll have a full recovery. Two years at that amount seems to be a rather odd signing unless they anticipate him being able to go by September. He's a force when healthy.[/quote]
Yep, I remember getting upset when Dallas signed Marc Columbo after all of his knee injuries and rehab in Chicago. He was in Chicago for 4 years, never finished a season, missed an entire season. In his first 4 years in Chicago he had only played in 19 games, all due to injury.

And man am I eating my words now.

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Finding Kemo? Anyone?

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[quote=Ruhskins;672036]Looks like the team did its homework with putting together this contract. Had this been a Vinny signing, of the 7 mil, 5 mil would have been guaranteed or something crazy like that.

From [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/maake-kemoeatu-defensive-linem.html"]Jason Reid[/URL]:[/quote]
This also fits my proposition, that the FO is skimping on guaranteed money, and making players show what they can do first.

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Just to be inquisitive...... has anyone else sufford a similar injury as an NFL player and done well after sergury?

If so great. I hope the best for him especially since he's a Redskin now. I'm sitting here imagining the combinations.....

Daniels, Kemo, AH

Orakpo, Kemo/AH, Carter

Orakpo, Daniels, Kemo, AH, Carter

Fun, fun. :)

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Those jonesing for a free agent signing can exhale a bit...

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[quote=sandtrapjack;672051]If shifting to the 3-4, a big 0 technique NT is needed to occupy 2 O-linmen on every play. This guy has that size and in the past has shown that motor.

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That doesn't sound like Jay Ratliff at all Sandtrap. Shame on you, you should know better :D

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[quote=Dirtbag359;672080]That doesn't sound like Jay Ratliff at all Sandtrap. Shame on you, you should know better :D[/quote]
True, but you should know there is always an "exception to the rule" somewhere. Take the NBA and a little guy named Spud Webb. A 5' 6" point guard that could dunk, and dunk well enough to win the slam dunk competition in 1986.

We lucked out with Ratliff honestly. He was drafted in the 7th round as a DE. We had Jason Ferguson as the NT at the time.

Rat struggled as DE for his first couple of years never cracking the starting rotation. And then Fergy got hurt and Rat was forced into converting to NT and never relenquished the job and we sent Fergy off to Miami for a draft pick.

The rest, as they say, is history.

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[quote=SBXVII;672076]Just to be inquisitive...... has anyone else sufford a similar injury as an NFL player and done well after sergury?

If so great. I hope the best for him especially since he's a Redskin now. I'm sitting here imagining the combinations.....

Daniels, Kemo, AH

Orakpo, Kemo/AH, Carter

Orakpo, Daniels, Kemo, AH, Carter

Fun, fun. :)[/quote]

Guys come back from Achille's injuries all the time now, it's not the career killer it used to be.

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[quote=Ruhskins;672036]Looks like the team did its homework with putting together this contract. Had this been a Vinny signing, of the 7 mil, 5 mil would have been guaranteed or something crazy like that.

From [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/maake-kemoeatu-defensive-linem.html"]Jason Reid[/URL]:[/quote]

nice

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Since I didn't know much about Achilles injuries, I looked it up. Seems like a pretty nasty injury based on this report. However, surgery gets better all the time.... I trust our new front office, and his contract is all incentive laden. Still a great signing.

[QUOTE]One-Third of NFL Players With Achilles Tendon Injuries Sidelined

ScienceDaily (Jan. 15, 2010) — [B]More than a third of National Football League (NFL) players who sustained an Achilles tendon injury were never able to return to professional play [/B]according to research in the current issue of Foot & Ankle Specialist (published by SAGE). The injured players who did return to active play averaged a 50% reduction in their power ratings.

The aim of the study was to document the epidemiology of Achilles tendon ruptures in the NFL and to quantify the impact of these injuries on player performance. Previous studies have looked at the occurrence of Achilles tendon ruptures in elite athletes in general, but very little was known about how often that type of injury occurred specifically in the NFL or how it affected the athlete's future ability to play.

Researchers looked at publicly available NFL data including websites that summarized games, statistics and injuries, to identify players who sustained complete Achilles tendon rupture. Also noted were such variables as the player's position, age, and number of years in the league prior to the injury. In addition, yearly performance statistics were collected for the players for the years before and after the injuries.

The study found that Achilles tendon ruptures can be career-altering injuries. [B]Nearly 36% of players who sustained this injury never returned to play in the NFL and the ones who were able to return were never able to return to their pre-injury levels of play.[/B]

"This article provides a novel approach to shed light on valuable epidemiologic data for Achilles tendon ruptures among NFL players and the functional outcome of the injury," write authors Selene G. Parekh, Walter H. Wray, III, Olubusola Brimmo, Brian J. Sennett and Keith L. Wapner. "Future studies with the cooperation of the NFL and their official injury database are needed to fully evaluate the impact of Achilles injuries in this at-risk population."

[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100112123648.htm]One-third of NFL players with Achilles tendon injuries sidelined[/url][/QUOTE]

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I love this move. Low risk...high reward. if they waited until he was healthy and ready to go then there are a bunch of teams bidding on him.

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[quote=Mattyk;672088]Guys come back from Achille's injuries all the time now, it's not the career killer it used to be.[/quote]

Example, Jon Jansen was back in a year with no lingering affects.

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[quote=celts32;672112]I love this move. Low risk...high reward. if they waited until he was healthy and ready to go then there are a bunch of teams bidding on him.[/quote]

Apparently there already were a lot of teams already interested

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This is an EXCELLENT signing for multiple reasons:

First of all, we need a true nose tackle. This guy is a house and when he was healthy, he was a force up the middle.

Second, his value couldn't be lower. He can't run so most teams are scared and we swooped in.

Third, it is a low risk contract. There is little guaranteed money so if he doesn't get healthy no harm is done.

This is the type of move that Vinny never would have made. Vinny would have overpaid to get Williams in here.

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If he recovers and returns to form, i'm sure he'll be getting a healthy extension in the future. Nevertheless, i still think (if we go OT with our 1st round pick), we should consider drafting a NT with our 2nd.

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didn't this guy start out on balt??? real good low risk move and a big body to put in the d-line rotation. but if carolina is letting him walk then he must not be right.

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[quote=Mattyk;672088]Guys come back from Achille's injuries all the time now, it's not the career killer it used to be.[/quote]

I ruptured my achilles on Thanksgiving day and was playing softball the following March.

The only thing that I am worried about with this deal is why isn't he running by now? Either way, I am confident that James Andrews can fix whatever the problem is.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;672118]This is an EXCELLENT signing for multiple reasons:

First of all, we need a true nose tackle. This guy is a house and when he was healthy, he was a force up the middle.

Second, his value couldn't be lower. He can't run so most teams are scared and we swooped in.

Third, it is a low risk contract. There is little guaranteed money so if he doesn't get healthy no harm is done.

[B]This is the type of move that Vinny never would have made. Vinny would have overpaid to get Williams in here.[/quote][/B]

[B]plus thrown in a draft picks. lol. [/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;672123]didn't this guy start out on balt??? real good low risk move and a big body to put in the d-line rotation. but if carolina is letting him walk then he must not be right.[/quote]
My guess is he had a large roster bonus coming and a big contract, so they released him.

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[quote=ethat001;672106]Since I didn't know much about Achilles injuries, I looked it up. Seems like a pretty nasty injury based on this report. However, surgery gets better all the time.... I trust our new front office, and his contract is all incentive laden. Still a great signing.[/quote]

Jansen and Buzbee returned from it. Buzbee insn't in the NFL but he is playing in the CFL.

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[quote=ethat001;672106]Since I didn't know much about Achilles injuries, I looked it up. Seems like a pretty nasty injury based on this report. However, surgery gets better all the time.... I trust our new front office, and his contract is all incentive laden. Still a great signing.[/quote]

I loved "studies" like this. What they fail to distinguish is that 2/3 of the league are one serious injury away from being out of the league anyways. They are holding on by their teeth to stay in the league when healthy. Once a big injury hits, even if they recover, they never get a second chance. I'd bet it's more like 2/3 of the starting players who suffer the injury make it back into the NFL. Maybe even more.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;672125]I ruptured my achilles on Thanksgiving day and was playing softball the following March.

The only thing that I am worried about with this deal is why isn't he running by now? Either way, I am confident that James Andrews can fix whatever the problem is.[/quote]

Apparently the wound wasn't healing right which required the 2nd procedure. So at least it wasn't a problem with the tendon itself.

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You know if you look at MattyK and Maake written (or typed) enough times next to each other they start to look the same...time to change your user name Matty?

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[quote=SmootSmack;672158]You know if you look at MattyK and Maake written (or typed) enough times next to each other they start to look the same...time to change your user name Matty?[/quote]


If Matty is 6'5" 350 I may start agreeing with him more...

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I want someone to go with "FindingNemo" "NemoSkins" "ShowNemoney"..if he gets resigned or.."Nemointhemiddle"

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[quote=Longtimefan;672114]Example, Jon Jansen was back in a year with no lingering affects.[/quote]

Yes forgot about him, but even when he came back it seemed like his lateral movement was diminished. However he did seem to play ok against us when we played Detroit this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;672158]You know if you look at MattyK and Maake written (or typed) enough times next to each other they start to look the same...time to change your user name Matty?[/quote]

Notice that you never see the two of them in the same room at the same time...hmm...

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What I find most encouraging about Kemoeatu is his durability, at least until last year when he was injured.

His four years in Baltimore he started 61 of a possible 64 games.....His three years in Carolina he started 46 of a possible 48 games. I dosen't get any better than that when it comes to games started. If he can get back on track completely he'll prove to be a very good addition to the team.

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[quote=Longtimefan;672175]What I find most encouraging about Kemoeatu is his durability, at least until last year when he was injured.

His four years in Baltimore he started 61 of a possible 64 games.....His three years in Carolina he started 46 of a possible 48 games. I dosen't get any better than that when it comes to games started. If he can get back on track completely he'll prove to be a very good addition to the team.[/quote]

I was looking back at how he got hurt and apparently he injured himself during the first 30 minutes into the first day of camp. No contact involved.

Talk about a freaky thing.

Oh, another name for him would be, KemoEATU. I'm lovin this guy already.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;672025]its a terminology i'm not used to, no. in fact, i havent seen it used anywhere else. if you can show me where its used commonly, i'd love to see it.[/quote]

It's used all across the league

a LB just comes in and lines up outside on the line, they don't shift back into the 4-3 alignment

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[quote=skinsfan69;672123]didn't this guy start out on balt??? real good low risk move and a big body to put in the d-line rotation. but if carolina is letting him walk then he must not be right.[/quote]Carolina missed him badly at the beginning of last year, but by the end, they had figured out who needed to play where, and we're a very productive defense down the stretch without him.

That's probably why they let him walk. Player who was an integral part of their past defense, but his injury necessitated a change in philosophy. And then he really doesn't fit as any more than a spare part.

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[quote=12thMan;672182]I was looking back at how he got hurt and apparently he injured himself during the first 30 minutes into the first day of camp. No contact involved.

Talk about a freaky thing.

Oh, another name for him would be, KemoEATU. I'm lovin this guy already.[/quote]

Yeah, it was simular to Jon Jansen's injury, no contact, his ankle just caved in. Chris Cooley's injury last year was one of those non-contact injuries as well.

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[quote=tryfuhl;672189]It's used all across the league

a LB just comes in and lines up outside on the line, they don't shift back into the 4-3 alignment[/quote]

i googled the term and came up with no hits, so i can't beleive the term is used all across the league.

i get what it is - i just think using that terminology is like saying we'll run a 4-3 defense with a 5 man front because one of the linebackers is lined up on the line. its the terminology that was confusing - not the actual act.

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What term did you search exactly?

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[quote=12thMan;672161]I want someone to go with "FindingNemo" "NemoSkins" "ShowNemoney"..if he gets resigned or.."Nemointhemiddle"[/quote]

If he develops cancer, they'll give him Kemo-therapy.

When he visits Japan, he wears a Kemo-no.

Of course, in the Tibetan language, a Kemo is a female dog, i.e., a bitch.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;672196]i googled the term and came up with no hits, so i can't beleive the term is used all across the league.

i get what it is - i just think using that terminology is like saying we'll run a 4-3 defense with a 5 man front because one of the linebackers is lined up on the line. its the terminology that was confusing - not the actual act.[/quote]

yeah if you think of it literally it's confusing

think of 3-4 being just the alignment/positioning of the players, the d-line on a 3-4 will be in diff spots than 4-3, even if you took a guy out of the 4-3

it's just how they're lined up and the personnel used

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I wish this guy wasn't hurt. Haynesworth has been too much of a headache already but, the money is right.

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I like low risk High reward if he heals up & the incentive laiden contract excellent.

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This has the potential to be a great deal/acquistion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;671992]Beat me to it. Odd decision in my mind, considering he apparently can't even pass a physical at this point[/quote]

this reaks of mike williams, ss you got any word of the skins hosting some sort of nfl biggest loser?