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[quote=12thMan;672899]Very likely to happen if they trade Carriker. The thing with him is that a lot of folks felt he was better suited for a 3-4 from the jump and that he couldn't take a beating at DT like he has and now we're getting him with a bum ankle and two beat up shoulders.[/quote]

Like I said, if we were to trade Carter, Carriker would not be my first choice. Maybe Carter for Alex Barron would be better? Or Carter for a second and a sixth pick only?

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[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;672905]But we could trade draft picks and trade some of the players mentioned in my signature to get more draft picks, just to other teams.[/QUOT

Like you, I think there will be one or two trades of current players for draft picks. If so, the Skins could afford to trade a pick for Carriker.

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[quote=Lotus;672906]Like I said, if we were to trade Carter, Carriker would not be my first choice. Maybe Carter for Alex Barron would be better? Or Carter for a second and a sixth pick only?[/quote]

Wooaahh Carter isn't worth a second round pick, better yet a second AND a sixth. He's worth around a 4th round pick. No team would be that stupid to give up a 2nd and a 6th round pick for a 30something year old DE.


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Re: JLC: Redskins Interested in Adam Carriker
 

^ that's how I came up with a 2nd and a 6th :)

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How many DL's do you need. I'm okay with this if we are cutting somebody else.

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For those of you who haven't seen this already..

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[quote=Big C;672894]he would play 3-4 DE. i liked him a lot coming out of college, but definitely hasnt lived up to expectations. would be wary about this for sure.[/quote]

Like I mentioned before this could be something to the effect of signing a player with starting potential; if he doesn't start, we didn't put it all on him to start. If he's backup and healthy, you still look at him as starting potential at 2nd string. This is what we've wanted for awhile. The methods of acquiring depth and/or quality signings with injuries can be questioned, but it's still been acquiring guys that could be starter level vs definitely not.

There are gradual roster cuts and NOBODY is exempt from them in a literal sense.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;672902]Yes, see my post on page 2 #21, I'm tired of putting it up all over the boards tonight.[/quote]

no offense but your copy/pastes between threads are just rehashing your opinion over and over

I respect that everyone has an opinion, some which may be more educated than others depending, but just reposting it over and over isn't the way to sell your point

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[quote=Lotus;672906]Like I said, if we were to trade Carter, Carriker would not be my first choice. Maybe Carter for Alex Barron would be better? Or Carter for a second and a sixth pick only?[/quote]

I'm not sure you get a 2nd for Carter alone, much less a 6th added

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wow as someone on this board suggested maybe they make this move just to make the need for suh more tangible allowing bradford to drop to us..

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Is it a foregone conclusion Carter doesn't fit in a 3-4, or Hybrid or whatever the hell Haslett has in mind?

I ask because Carter has seemed to improve his run stopping over the last couple seasons. He weighs in about 253 which is obviously small for a 4-3 RDE but the dude is ridiculous strong and last season seemed to get lots of push even coming inside the LT.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;672953]wow as someone on this board suggested maybe they make this move just to make the need for suh more tangible allowing bradford to drop to us..[/quote]

it's an idea at the very least

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[quote=rbanerjee23;672953]wow as someone on this board suggested maybe they make this move just to make the need for suh more tangible allowing bradford to drop to us..[/quote]

That seems like a lot of trouble for a huge uncertainty.

Is it possible that Haslett just likes him a lot and thinks he will help the team?

BTW we are sniffing anything near a #2 for Carter. Maybe a 4th if we are lucky.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;672967]That seems like a lot of trouble for a huge uncertainty.

Is it possible that Haslett just likes him a lot and thinks he will help the team?

BTW we are sniffing anything near a #2 for Carter. Maybe a 4th if we are lucky.[/quote]

I like Carter...but we've quietly put him on the market, just to see really what value he has and it wasn't more than a 5th

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[quote=SmootSmack;672972]I like Carter...but we've quietly put him on the market, just to see really what value he has and it wasn't more than a 5th[/quote]

That seems low for someone who had like..11 sacks. I guess AH gets a lot of credit for that.

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You have to look at the big picture with Carters' value. He's a 30 year old undersized DE, mostly a one trick pony who gets after the QB. He's had 3 double digit sack seasons in his career, but many more 4-6 sack type of seasons. And if teams see that he's not a good fit here and may end up being released anyway, why would teams want to give up very much for him?

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[quote=Mattyk;672988]You have to look at the big picture with Carters' value. He's a 30 year old undersized DE, mostly a one trick pony who gets after the QB. He's had 3 double digit sack seasons in his career, but many more 4-6 sack type of seasons. [B] And if teams see that he's not a good fit here and may end up being released anyway, why would teams want to give up very much for him[/B]?[/quote]

Good point.

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I do not see us doing a stright up trade with Carter for Carriker. Carter is a proving veteran player who has been productive most of his career. Carter is 30 but he takes care of his body and he does not miss games. Carriker is young and has potential but he has been injury prone thus far in his brief career. We better not give in draft picks, I could see us getting a 3rd or 4th rd pick with Carriker. Plus we are getting rid of Carters salary. How many years does Carriker have left on his rookie contract , will be a issue for us as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;672972]I like Carter...but we've quietly put him on the market, just to see really what value he has and it wasn't more than a 5th[/quote]

Damn, too bad is not a 4th rounder.

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[quote=SmootSmack;672972]I like Carter...but we've quietly put him on the market, just to see really what value he has and it wasn't more than a 5th[/quote]

That's about what I expected and i would be happy to get a 5th. Teams generally don't trade high draft picks for older players.

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I dont know about that. He could be a situational pass rusher, and contribute more to this team than most 5th rounders. Really, how many 5th rounders come to a team, and even over a few seasons, have near the impact of an Andre Carter. Very very few would be the answer to that question.

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Actually, I wouldnt give him up for anything less than a 4th, all while trying to get a third. Tis unfortunate this draft is deep along the DL, and skimpy at QB. Doesnt it seem like lady luck is always smiling on us? hehehe

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[quote=12thMan;672788]I'll go on the record right now saying if signed, Carriker doesn't make the team.[/quote]

Didn't a lot of people say this very thing about Big Mike Williams?

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[quote=GTripp0012;672791]It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where Carter isn't here next year in some capacity, much easier to imagine a scenario where he just isn't as productive as last year.[/quote]

We can never have enough good players, Carter is a good player we should make every attempt to keep. Hard to believe there's not a place on the team for a player of his caliber.

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Carriker is an interesting idea to me. He's only 25 and still has a lot of potential. Haslett knows him well too.

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Keep Carter...little trade value for a solid starting DE...before him we were desperate for a DE for what...like 10 yrs....this is one of Vinny's better pickups...don't mess with a good thing....(why the hell are we going to a 3-4 anyways? we dont have the right personnel...lets change the offensive...they are the ones that suck)

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[quote=skinsnut;673036]Keep Carter...little trade value for a solid starting DE...before him we were desperate for a DE for what...like 10 yrs....this is one of Vinny's better pickups...don't mess with a good thing....(why the hell are we going to a 3-4 anyways? we dont have the right personnel...lets change the offensive...they are the ones that suck)[/quote]

Your saying keep him but at the same time saying he does not fit the new defense? I don't want him lining up at OLB next year and it's not worth a roster spot to have guy that we can only bring in a couple times a game to rush the QB. We are better off with a late round pick for the guy.

This draft is deep at a lot of positions including RB...Shanny could land a starting RB with a 5th round pick. If we keep Carter at all then it's only for another year probably so why not get a potential building block for him now?

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[quote=Longtimefan;673034]We can never have enough good players, Carter is a good player we should make every attempt to keep. Hard to believe there's not a place on the team for a player of his caliber.[/quote]

Well, there are other factors. Such as do we have potentially a younger version in Jarmon (or someone else)? Does Carter want to be here? Can we get good value and improve upon our 4-12 record by using him as leverage while he still has value instead of waiting too long?

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[quote=SBXVII;673031]Didn't a lot of people say this very thing about Big Mike Williams?[/quote]

Not because he doesn't have potential, because he does. He's not durable, that's all. It's not his shoulders that bug me so much, he's been playing on a bum ankle since his Nebraska days and I'm not convinced that it's much better, if at all, at this stage in his career.

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if haslett beleives that carriker could start here and play well, then i'd trade carter to the rams (assuming they wanted him and he was willing to go there) straight up. I'd even throw in a 7th round pick if I had to, but thats about as far as i'd go. Carter is on the wrong side of 30 and coming off the best year in his career. he doesn't fit in our new defense and its an uncapped year. if there's ever going to be a time to move him, its now.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;673044]if haslett beleives that carriker could start here and play well, then i'd trade carter to the rams (assuming they wanted him and he was willing to go there) straight up. I'd even throw in a 7th round pick if I had to, but thats about as far as i'd go. Carter is on the wrong side of 30 and coming off the best year in his career. he doesn't fit in our new defense and its an uncapped year. if there's ever going to be a time to move him, its now.[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts. Carter doesn't have a spot in the 3-4 and he's aging, so we really should get what we can for him now. It's always better to trade player a year too early than a year too late. I would be happy to get Carriker for Carter straight up. There's significant injury risk, so have the team doctors evaluate him. He's built ideally for a 3-4 DE and at 25 could be a starter for years to come. The potential reward outweighs the risk IMO.

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[quote=redskinfan401;673089]Exactly my thoughts. Carter doesn't have a spot in the 3-4 and he's aging, so we really should get what we can for him now. It's always better to trade player a year too early than a year too late. I would be happy to get Carriker for Carter straight up. There's significant injury risk, so have the team doctors evaluate him. He's built ideally for a 3-4 DE and at 25 could be a starter for years to come. The potential reward outweighs the risk IMO.[/quote]

Call me crazy, but I think a guy like Carter could be beneficial for the Rams. I believe their d-line is very young, so a veteran coming off a great season would help them.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;673044]if haslett beleives that carriker could start here and play well, then i'd trade carter to the rams (assuming they wanted him and he was willing to go there) straight up. I'd even throw in a 7th round pick if I had to, but thats about as far as i'd go. Carter is on the wrong side of 30 and coming off the best year in his career. he doesn't fit in our new defense and its an uncapped year. if there's ever going to be a time to move him, its now.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just saw Carter has a no-trade clause in his contract, so he has to approve going anywhere. I dont know too many people that would want to go to St. Louis...... Unless the money was right or the other option is you get cut and you dont think you could get your salary anywhere else in FA. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also a little off topic, does anyone know any of the other Redskins with no-trade clauses in their contracts? [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I saw a Gibbs interview and he was talking about when he came to the team and was trying to get Riggens back and finally convinced him all the while planning to trade him as soon as he could. Then Riggens made one stipulation in coming back. A no-trade clause. It was hilarious to watch Gibbs and Riggens tell that story.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Heres a thought, and just pure speculation. Maybe its a draft strategy.

It could be possible that the Redskins are just trying to discern whether or not the Rams take Bradford or Suh with that first pick.

They could be dangling a carrot, feigning interest in Carriker. If the Rams open serious discussions, it could be a strong indication that St Louis intends to select Suh with the first pick.

If they show no interests in trade discussions, it cold indicate that they will take Bradford.

Total speculation on my part, but it is an interesting way to get the other guy to "show his hand".

That way the Redskins draft strategy in the first round could be worked on.

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[quote=mlmpetert;673102]Just saw Carter has a no-trade clause in his contract[/quote]

Oh Yeah...Excellent Point...makes me happy because I'd rather keep him than some crappy low round draft pick

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[quote=sandtrapjack;673111]Heres a thought, and just pure speculation. Maybe its a draft strategy.

It could be possible that the Redskins are just trying to discern whether or not the Rams take Bradford or Suh with that first pick.

They could be dangling a carrot, feigning interest in Carriker. If the Rams open serious discussions, it could be a strong indication that St Louis intends to select Suh with the first pick.

If they show no interests in trade discussions, it cold indicate that they will take Bradford.

Total speculation on my part, but it is an interesting way to get the other guy to "show his hand".

That way the Redskins draft strategy in the first round could be worked on.[/quote]

I think you're pretty on point in your assessment

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I don't think we should be looking at a Carter trade and a Carriker trade as necessarily being one and the same. Though I believe Carter is more likely to go than Carriker is to arrive. Pure speculation though

Could have sworn he had waived that no trade clause, guess I was wrong.

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[quote=mlmpetert;673102][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just saw Carter has a no-trade clause in his contract, so he has to approve going anywhere. I dont know too many people that would want to go to St. Louis...... Unless the money was right or the other option is you get cut and you dont think you could get your salary anywhere else in FA. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also a little off topic, does anyone know any of the other Redskins with no-trade clauses in their contracts? [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I saw a Gibbs interview and he was talking about when he came to the team and was trying to get Riggens back and finally convinced him all the while planning to trade him as soon as he could. Then Riggens made one stipulation in coming back. A no-trade clause. It was hilarious to watch Gibbs and Riggens tell that story.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I agree... I don't see Andre accepting a trade w/ the Rams... especially with the possibility of the Redskins releasing him, allowing him to be a free agent.

Re: JLC: Redskins Interested in Adam Carriker
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;673111]Heres a thought, and just pure speculation. Maybe its a draft strategy.

It could be possible that the Redskins are just trying to discern whether or not the Rams take Bradford or Suh with that first pick.

They could be dangling a carrot, feigning interest in Carriker. If the Rams open serious discussions, it could be a strong indication that St Louis intends to select Suh with the first pick.

If they show no interests in trade discussions, it cold indicate that they will take Bradford.

Total speculation on my part, but it is an interesting way to get the other guy to "show his hand".

That way the Redskins draft strategy in the first round could be worked on.[/quote]

The thought is devilishly devious but it's not really a very useful thing for the Redskins to do. That's because the Skins pick 4th and there are really only five players who might be in play for picks number one through three. They are Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Okung, Berry, and Clausen. So, the Skins aren't going to have much difficulty in looking at the possibilities and devising a strategy for each scenario. And they'll also have their draft board as a tool.

But, if the Skins have a legitimate interest in Carriker and can trade for him, that might have the added benefit of influencing St Louis to lean more toward drafting one of the DT's.