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[quote=skinsfaninok;673207]I would have rather had LT because he's a leader and puts Football first. Don't start jocking LJ just because he's a skin now. We were all dogging him when he threw his Bitch fit the last 2 yrs in KC. And as far as Cp goes he's a way better back than LJ, Portis actually blocks and can Pass Catch aswell.[/quote]

LT makes me sad because he's so out of touch with what his role should be now in the NFL. Maybe if he signs with the Vikings it'll show that he's come to grips with the fact that he's no longer the dominant player he once was but that remains to be seen. All I keep hearing about is how LT wants to be a #1 back.

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[quote=Gmanc711;673208]Oh absolutely...but if I don't know about it.. it doesn't take the fun out of it. Kinda of what I don't know, wont hurt me type of thing... Its really the thing with women that bothers me, so that type of "offense" I just look at differently than other things.[/quote]

Understand completely

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"hometown team" lmao man Johnson could care less that he's a redskin. He knows this team offered him the most and that's y he chose us. This dude is a hood who beats more women than d lineman. Yea it's a buisness and it's all about winning but I won't root for the guy next yr. Just as bad as Big Ben is with women lol

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[quote=Dirtbag359;673219]LT makes me sad because he's so out of touch with what his role should be now in the NFL. Maybe if he signs with the Vikings it'll show that he's come to grips with the fact that he's no longer the dominant player he once was but that remains to be seen. All I keep hearing about is how LT wants to be a #1 back.[/quote]


We're men we never think where past our prime.

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The reactions to this pick up have been all over the place.
It is still so early in the offseason. There is a good chance Larry Johnson will not even make our final roster. This draft is deep in the RB position. Even if we draft only one RB, there will be some undrafted rookies that will get signed. Plus there is the final camp cuts from other teams that always has a talented RB or two.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;673207]I would have rather had LT because he's a leader and puts Football first. Don't start jocking LJ just because he's a skin now. We were all dogging him when he threw his Bitch fit the last 2 yrs in KC. And as far as Cp goes he's a way better back than LJ, Portis actually blocks and can Pass Catch aswell.[/quote]

Was that an "is" or a "was"? BTW, Betts was always the better pass catcher on the team.

Thing is about LT, is that there's no hope for him now. 3.3 avg on a team with an excellent passing attack. Not good. If we need a motivator, he should be hired as a coach and not waste a roster spot.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;673212]Now all we have to do is draft Blount and we will have three tools in the shed![/quote]

I know right! Maybe Blount will go over the G-men's sideline and sucker punch Coughlin, back up real quick, and scream "you want some of this old man!"

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I'm more than okay with this signing. LJ is a D.C. native (Waldorf) and grew up a Skins fan. On his worst day he's better than Rock and Betts. He missed a good portion of 2007 with a foot injury, but other than that he's proven to be durable for the most part.

I like the move over Willie Parker or LT, both of which are still without a contract.

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[quote=Defensewins;673225]The reactions to this pick up have been all over the place.
It is still so early in the offseason. There is a good chance Larry Johnson will not even make our final roster. This draft is deep in the RB position. Even if we draft only one RB, there will be some undrafted rookies that will get signed. Plus there is the final camp cuts from other teams that always has a talented RB or two.[/quote]

3 years, $12 million means he's going to be on the roster, book it. If we draft a back early (Best or Gerhart in the 2nd) then it will likely be Portis who is let go, not Johnson. Why? Shanahan already let Portis go once and that was when he was a 24 year old coming off of back to back 1500 yard seasons. Do you think he'd hesitate now?

As for the move, I am lukewarm on it. I think Johnson's got a little left in the tank and has motivation to try to regain his prior form. He's 30 but not nearly as many miles on him as Portis, LT, even Thomas Jones. How he fits into a one cut and go system remains to be seen though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;673205]Yeah I hear you. I mean we of course don't know who else is doing what off the field that we just don't hear about. So for all we know we're already cheering for these type of people.

Anyhow, as we've talked about before Shanahan is well known for making at least a couple of "I can't believe he just did that moves" seemingly every year. Whether it's Maurice Clarett...or Larry Johnson[/quote]

If TO can continue landing contracts there can't be an exception anywhere anymore for anyone.

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Oh, yeah it matters if the guy grew up liking the team. Especially since he played for a perennial loser in Kansas City.

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I don't get the LT a leader thing. Just a few years ago he was bashed up and down for leaving on his helmet while on the sidelines. He does seem to be a great guy and I never gave too much credence to what the media was saying, because as a competitor not being able to compete would lead to that sort of behavior, but a leader puts that aside and leads.

Oh yeah I am ok with this signing as a Portis 2.0. Portis goes down we haven't lost anything. On the other hand I don't think we have gained anything. I hope he proves me wrong.

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whatever, even at average I think he's better than betts so I see this as an upgrade

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[quote=Paintrain;673229]3 years, $12 million means he's going to be on the roster, book it. If we draft a back early (Best or Gerhart in the 2nd) then it will likely be Portis who is let go, not Johnson. Why? Shanahan already let Portis go once and that was when he was a 24 year old coming off of back to back 1500 yard seasons. Do you think he'd hesitate now?

As for the move, I am lukewarm on it. I think Johnson's got a little left in the tank and has motivation to try to regain his prior form. [B]He's 30 but not nearly as many miles on him as Portis, LT, even Thomas Jones. [/B] How he fits into a one cut and go system remains to be seen though.[/quote]


This is the best point yet. He doesn't have the same milage as the other 30 year old running backs. He's missed a number of games due to suspension(s) and played a limited role in Cincy last year.

Here's a snap shot of their stats over the years.


[B]Larry Johnson[/B]

[B]G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD[/B]
82 1,421 17.3 6,219 4.4 75.8 55 65

[B]Clinton Portis[/B]

[B]G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD[/B]
108 2,176 20.1 9,696 4.5 89.8 73 78

[B]LaDainian Tomlinson[/B]

[B]G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD[/B]
141 2,880 20.4 12,490 4.3 88.6 138

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I think he could be the next Cedric Benson type aquisition.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;673233]whatever, even at average I think he's better than betts so I see this as an upgrade[/quote]

what he said

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[quote=Paintrain;673229][B]3 years, $12 million means he's going to be on the roster, book it. [/B] If we draft a back early (Best or Gerhart in the 2nd) then it will likely be Portis who is let go, not Johnson. Why? Shanahan already let Portis go once and that was when he was a 24 year old coming off of back to back 1500 yard seasons. Do you think he'd hesitate now?

As for the move, I am lukewarm on it. I think Johnson's got a little left in the tank and has motivation to try to regain his prior form. He's 30 but not nearly as many miles on him as Portis, LT, even Thomas Jones. How he fits into a one cut and go system remains to be seen though.[/quote]

So they gave him the $12m up front? I did not think so. Book nothing.
Is there any guaranteed money in this deal? I would be curious to find out. Could not find any more detail on the deal other than what you said.

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[quote=SmootSmack;673206]Which young hungry player?[/quote]

Draft one...look around and ye shall also find one somewhere. Johnson just reminds me of Shawn Alexander.

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The practical guarentee, I believe is 3.5 million. Which is also (again, I think) the amount that is accrued in the first year of the deal. Most of the contract is escalators, though I have not heard how likely he is to hit any of them.

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I think is a great signing. We all know Portis is not going to last the whole season. Now we have a backup better than a lot of teams #1. Hopefully he will stay out of trouble off the field. I like this signing better than Parker and LT.

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$12 million sounds like a lot for a 30 year old RB, but I understand that only a portion is usually guaranteed as stated above. Anyway, running backs retire WAY earlier than other positions since they get so banged up. 40 year old QB's are not uncommon, but 33 year old RB's are almost unheard of.

Anyway, I agree he technically has less mileage than his age suggests.

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Most of that 12 million is not guaranteed.

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i read only 2mil is guaranteed

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[quote=12thMan;673228]I'm more than okay with this signing. LJ is a D.C. native (Waldorf) and grew up a Skins fan. On his worst day he's better than Rock and Betts. He missed a good portion of 2007 with a foot injury, but other than that he's proven to be durable for the most part.

I like the move over Willie Parker or LT, both of which are still without a contract.[/quote]

And he won't have to bribe anyone to get his jersey number. Smoot conveniently left it for him.

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I thought fast Willie would have been the better change of pace, but there's always room to make that type of move in the draft.

If LJ keeps his nose clean it might work out to be a good signing.

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I don't want this piece of crap in a Redskins uniform.

I hope he doesn't make it through training camp.

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Isn't he like 80 years old at this point? Kind of hard to hold a football and a walker at the same time

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I can't stand this guy. Don't we already have a drama queen RB??? His numbers speak for themselves but I don't know. He's always ripping teammates, coaches and so on. This has disaster written all over it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;673188]We'll, there was that three month period when everyone thought Ladell Betts was a big back. Really not sure why that happened though.

And there was TJ Duckett. Not that anyone deserves to be reminded of that.[/quote]

duckett put up betts type numbers

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as long as he puts in the effort it's good

not like we told him he's the man for the next 3 years, just signed a contract

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[quote=skinsfan69;673254]I can't stand this guy. Don't we already have a drama queen RB??? His numbers speak for themselves but I don't know. He's always ripping teammates, coaches and so on. This has disaster written all over it.[/quote]

I hear ya man, to me the risk-reward is just not there. We are trying to build a fresh atmosphere around the park and we sign this guy. idk, but i am officially stupid.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;673207]I would have rather had LT because he's a leader and puts Football first. Don't start jocking LJ just because he's a skin now. We were all dogging him when he threw his Bitch fit the last 2 yrs in KC. And as far as Cp goes he's a way better back than LJ, Portis actually blocks and can Pass Catch aswell.[/quote]

If he helps us more than he hurts us we should be fine with it

people still support portis and he bitched here in DC.. same with 'Los

I don't care if you bitch about another team as long as you show up and do work here, there are legitimate gripes out there and there some some whiny asses too

like anyone else I wonder why he was the guy, but like everyone else here, I'm not the coach so I'll have to play the wait and see approach

the idea that we always have to have the best guy available should've worn thin on you guys a long time ago

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Its a big game and the skins have the ball first and goal from the 5 yard line. L.J and C.P are both healthy. Who do you want in the backfield?. L.J gets my vote.
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Ya, same here. How dare I question anything this FO does.

And now I dont read any posts..........Stupid is as stupid posts.

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[quote=ethat001;673244]$12 million sounds like a lot for a 30 year old RB, but I understand that only a portion is usually guaranteed as stated above. Anyway, running backs retire WAY earlier than other positions since they get so banged up. 40 year old QB's are not uncommon, but 33 year old RB's are almost unheard of.

Anyway, I agree he technically has less mileage than his age suggests.[/quote]
Rabach got 3 years/12 mil

I'd say paying that for an RB isn't so bad

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[quote=rstone1979;673253]Isn't he like 80 years old at this point? Kind of hard to hold a football and a walker at the same time[/quote]


:laughing2

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[quote=SmootSmack;673217]I love you how don't actually read any posts on here[/quote]

You love me how dont....wait, I love me dont how you........ummm, give me a second....wait, WHAT?!!!!!!! Is dyslexia treatable?

;D

with grammar that like, Im glad I dont read any posts on here!!

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[QUOTE=ethat001;673244]$12 million sounds like a lot for a 30 year old RB, but I understand that only a portion is usually guaranteed as stated above. Anyway, running backs retire WAY earlier than other positions since they get so banged up. 40 year old QB's are not uncommon, but 33 year old RB's are almost unheard of.

[B]Anyway, I agree he technically has less mileage than his age suggests[/B].[/QUOTE
how can you say that? he lead the league in carries a couple of times. and i think he might have set a record for most carries in a season. he has got a ton of mileage on him

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The fact of the matter is Clinton Portis isn't the ideal back for grinding out short yardage. In his younger days when he was quicker, he could knife his way through tiny holes to get tough yards. But not so much anymore.

You need a bull around the goalline, and Johnson still fits that mold. I like it.

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Plus, correct me if I a wrong, but didnt he have a pretty serious injury that kept him out his entire rookie season? I mean, a history of knee injuries to an overworked 30 yo bitchy RB doesnt really strike me like he is our back of the future, but why waste $$ and time on this asshole? Sorry, this move officially effin sucks. There are much better/younger options, especially if ppl think shanny can turn any RB he touches to gold. This might be his biggest project/challenge to date.