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I want CJ "Perfect 10" Spiller

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[quote=GusFrerotte;674335]I was against getting Bradford on the account of his being on a powerful team that to me, with the exception of a couple of games, played clearly inferior opponents most of the year in a conference not known for defense. THat being said, one thing other than arm strength that I want in a franchise guy for the SKins is a guy with a brain. Bradford scored a 36 on his Wonderlic test. Clausen only scored 23, and Tebow a 22. I would like to see what Stull and Kafka scored on theirs as both of their schools(Pitt and Northwestern) usually have some of the highest academic standards for athletes around.[/quote]

For what it's worth, I think Dan Marino scored something like 15 on his Wonderlic. Just saying.

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[quote=SmootSmack;674337]I want CJ "Perfect 10" Spiller[/quote]

You'd take him at number 4?

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[quote=12thMan;674328]If there's anything the draft has proven with 100% certainty is that it's all a crap shoot. Especially when it comes to quarterbacks and wide receivers in the first round.

If I'm the Skins, I take Okung and hope there's still some gem at QB in one of the later rounds. Your GM prowess isn't proven in the first and second rounds. It's proven, I would say, in rounds 3-7. Let's see what Allen and Co. really have. Play it safe, draft Okung and if Jason Campbell doesn't work out this year, at least you have a quality tackle going into his second year with the team. At least you have began the process of building a dominant offensive line.[/quote]


I agree, I am warming on Bradford if we do in fact take him, But if I am GM our first two picks are OL. This is going to be a "buyers market" for QBs this draft. Over a dozen really good college QBs coming out. Stull, Crompton, Kafka, Brown, Locker, Snead, with many more that probably won't be drafted like Sheehan, and Elliot. WE can wait for a potential franchise QB I think, or even wait a year or two to see how Mallet develops at Arkansas.

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[quote=12thMan;674339]For what it's worth, I think Dan Marino scored something like 15 on his Wonderlic. Just saying.[/quote]


I doubt that. That is very low. He probably blew it off like Clausen and co. Shoot didn't JC get like 17. I think some of these guys just screw around with it.

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Yeah Marino got a 15

JC got a 23

[url=http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm]NFL Quarterback Wonderlic scores[/url]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;674341]I agree, I am warming on Bradford if we do in fact take him, But if I am GM our first two picks are OL. This is going to be a "buyers market" for QBs this draft. Over a dozen really good college QBs coming out. Stull, Crompton, Kafka, Brown, Locker, Snead, with many more that probably won't be drafted like Sheehan, and Elliot. WE can wait for a potential franchise QB I think, or even wait a year or two to see how Mallet develops at Arkansas.[/quote]

See that's thing, we can "get by" with Campbell. But I don't think we can survive another year of mediocre, up and down, play on the offensive line regardless of who's playing QB. Another thing, with the tandem of a healthy Clinton Portis and Larry Johnson, you want to max out up front not knowing how much longer either will be with the Redskins. You have to give them the best opportunity to succeed.

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[quote=Landry44;674253]There is no reason to be rude. I don't know what's wrong with you guys but many of you aren't showing a lot of class right now. If you guys don't want to discuss this with me then do what's in your heart and not ignore the thread. If you disagree with me then can sumbit your opinion respectfully. There is absolutely no reason to rude to fellow Skins fan that wants to best for the team just like you do.[/quote]

Im late on this thread, but call the freaking wahblulance. Rude lol? Your thread was a repost, just admit it and move on.

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[quote=Mattyk;674344]Yeah Marino got a 15

JC got a 23

[URL="http://www.unc.edu/%7Emirabile/Wonderlic.htm"]NFL Quarterback Wonderlic scores[/URL][/quote]

Marcus Vick got an 11 lol.

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[quote=Landry44;674253]There is no reason to be rude. I don't know what's wrong with you guys but many of you aren't showing a lot of class right now. If you guys don't want to discuss this with me then do what's in your heart and not ignore the thread. If you disagree with me then can sumbit your opinion respectfully. There is absolutely no reason to rude to fellow Skins fan that wants to best for the team just like you do.[/quote]

Relax bro he was just trying to show you the ropes. This time of year especially things can get a little cluttered up around here with multiple threads on the same topics. We're just trying to keep things organized. Try to understand if everyone who doesn't visit here often just pops in and posts what they want, regardless of what is already being discussed, the regulars here can get a little testy. It's all good, let's keep it classy.

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[quote=hooskins;674348]Marcus Vick got an 11 lol.[/quote]

How about Jeff George droppin' the 10 spot?

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[quote=Mattyk;674344]Yeah Marino got a 15

JC got a 23

[url=http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm]NFL Quarterback Wonderlic scores[/url][/quote]

JC got a 14 first time around. Then he took it again and got a 28. He gets better the more he does stuff :D

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Campbell,Jason-QB-Auburn.htm]USATODAY.com[/url]
[quote] His first Wonderlic test score (14) was lower than you like from a player at the quarterback position, but he then scored a much-improved 28 at the Combine in February. ... Needs to work on some fundamentals, especially his feet in his pass set, but he has the quickness to get back from center. ... Made more sound decisions in 2004 than he did in the past, but he still must improve in reading coverages.[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;674354]JC got a 14 first time around. Then he took it again and got a 28. He gets better the more he does stuff :D

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Campbell,Jason-QB-Auburn.htm"]USATODAY.com[/URL][/quote]

Yeah, but I have to play devil's advocate and respond with this:

If JC gets better the more he does things then why the hell does it take so long to read the defense? We are all still waiting to see this in his game.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;674356]Yeah, but I have to play devil's advocate and respond with this:

If JC gets better the more he does things then why the hell does it take so long to read the defense? We are all still waiting to see this in his game.[/quote]

And we're still waiting on him to develop pocket presence...I have a feeling he doesn't ever get there.

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[quote=Landry44;674256]You guys are acting like a group of bitches on their period. If this thread such a waste of your time then simple ignore it. That would make more sense.[/quote]


Landry44. Where can I buy your book on how to make friends and influence people?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;674372]Landry44. Where can I buy your book on how to make friends and influence people?[/quote]

LOL....good one. I'm sure it's on Amazon - used book section.

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[quote=Mattyk;674350]How about Jeff George droppin' the 10 spot?[/quote]


Wonderlics and leadership are overrated.

That bastard could throw the ball though...

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[quote=12thMan;674340]You'd take him at number 4?[/quote]

No, but I'd be tempted to trade down and take him. I was just responding to all the Wonderlic scores. Spiller got a 10. Jahvid Best got a 24.

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So we've got bitches on their periods and children throwing tantrums itt

nice

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[quote=12thMan;674373]LOL....good one. I'm sure it's on Amazon - used book section.[/quote]

Yeah the children's section...

Ohhhh snap

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[quote=Mattyk;674349]Relax bro he was just trying to show you the ropes. This time of year especially things can get a little cluttered up around here with multiple threads on the same topics. We're just trying to keep things organized. Try to understand if everyone who doesn't visit here often just pops in and posts what they want, regardless of what is already being discussed, the regulars here can get a little testy. It's all good, [B]let's keep it classy[/B].[/quote]


Like San Diego!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;674335]I was against getting Bradford on the account of his being on a powerful team that to me, with the exception of a couple of games, played clearly inferior opponents most of the year in a conference not known for defense. THat being said, one thing other than arm strength that I want in a franchise guy for the SKins is a guy with a brain. Bradford scored a 36 on his Wonderlic test. Clausen only scored 23, and Tebow a 22. I would like to see what Stull and Kafka scored on theirs as both of their schools(Pitt and Northwestern) usually have some of the highest academic standards for athletes around.[/quote]

I found it noteworthy in one of your earlier posts you refered to Bradford as a potential FQB...potential...being the key word. I mention it because many times the term FQB is thrown around too losely when it pertains to collegiate QB's. FQB means accomplished, without accomplishment on the NFL level the title does not properly apply notwithstanding success on a lesser level.

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[quote=The Goat;674358]And we're still waiting on him to develop pocket presence...I have a feeling he doesn't ever get there.[/quote]

He's still waiting for the team to develop a pocket for him to have presence in!

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[quote=Buster;674481]He's still waiting for the team to develop a pocket for him to have presence in![/quote]

:laughing- No s**t.

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maybe it's just me but i believe the Redskins should draft a OT with the fourth pick because the OL class usually drops off after the first 2 rounds

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[quote=duetsch215;674587]maybe it's just me but i believe the Redskins should draft a OT with the fourth pick because the OL class usually drops off after the first 2 rounds[/quote]

Exactly. They need to use Rounds ONE AND TWO on tackles.

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anyone remember bruce eugene from grambling??? he was like 5'9 and 250lbs and he scored a 41!!! i remember watching grambling and someone else on nbc, it was a traditional game between two of the black colleges in the south and this dude could sling the ball as good as anyone i'd ever seen. seriously..he was a short fat ass but man could be throw the ball. i wonder what ever happened to him??

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[quote=skinsfan69;674637]anyone remember bruce eugene from grambling??? he was like 5'9 and 250lbs and he scored a 41!!! i remember watching grambling and someone else on nbc, it was a traditional game between two of the black colleges in the south and this dude could sling the ball as good as anyone i'd ever seen. seriously..he was a short fat ass but man could be throw the ball. i wonder what ever happened to him??[/quote]

I remember him he was like 270 lbs wasn't he? He bounced around many leagues, NFL, CFL, NFL Europa, etc.

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Was there ever a reason give for Bradford to not participate in his Pro Day?

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[quote=Chico23231;674678]Was there ever a reason give for Bradford to not participate in his Pro Day?[/quote]

Maybe it's the same reason Dwayne Jarrett gave for not attending the combine. Quote " I knew I was going Pro."

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;674684]Maybe it's the same reason Dwayne Jarrett gave for not attending the combine. Quote " I knew I was going Pro."[/quote]

Is that the 2nd round bust you refering too? ha thats what im kinda worried about...

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[quote=Chico23231;674678]Was there ever a reason give for Bradford to not participate in his Pro Day?[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4990223]Sam Bradford reschedules pro day for NFL personnel - ESPN[/url]

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^thanks for the update Matty

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Isn't this entire discussion somewhat moot. Every prognosticator on the air has St. Louis taking Bradford at 1. Is there any chance in hell that he would fall all the way to 4 with both St. Louis and Tampa in front of us? Doesn't seem likely to me. I think we'll get Okung at 4 and pick up McCoy at 36, with a draft day trade for a mid-2nd round pick to land another OT.

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I agree, I rather draft an offensive lineman personally.

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[quote=Mc2guy;674772]Isn't this entire discussion somewhat moot. Every prognosticator on the air has St. Louis taking Bradford at 1. Is there any chance in hell that he would fall all the way to 4 with both St. Louis and Tampa in front of us? Doesn't seem likely to me. I think we'll get Okung at 4 and pick up McCoy at 36, with a draft day trade for a mid-2nd round pick to land another OT.[/quote]


I was thinking like you but honestly why waste the 2nd pick on McCoy if you don't feel he is going to be something great. There is always next years can't miss batch of QB's coming out and I am pretty sure we will be drafting in the the top 10 again next year.

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[quote=mredskins;674793]I was thinking like you but honestly why waste the 2nd pick on McCoy if you don't feel he is going to be something great. There is always next years can't miss batch of QB's coming out and I am pretty sure we will be drafting in the the top 10 again next year.[/quote]

Because I really think that Shanahan wants a young QB to push JC this year and see if he can perform. Brennan is not that young QB, and that leaves the draft. Plus the 2011 draft class for QBs isn't looking spectacular right now. Things obviously change and guys will emerge, but there isn't any real "can't miss" talent projected for the next draft. Then again, maybe someone will emerge as the next big thing.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/331063-prestons-2011-nfl-draft-rankings-the-deep-class-of-quarterbacks]Preston's 2011 NFL Draft Rankings: A Deep Quarterback Class | Bleacher Report[/url]

I've read a couple articles about us taking Clausen at 4, but I really don't think our new front office is so arrogant to believe that they can turn this thing around with the sieve of an offensive line we've got now.

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Heres a great article I read from SI about what NFL draft analysts said about certain prospects and how wrong they were about these 'can't miss' prospects

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/03/16/tim.tebow.pro.day/index.html]Before Tim Tebow's pro day, let's play QB draft match game - Andy Staples - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;674895]Heres a great article I read from SI about what NFL draft analysts said about certain prospects and how wrong they were about these 'can't miss' prospects

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/03/16/tim.tebow.pro.day/index.html]Before Tim Tebow's pro day, let's play QB draft match game - Andy Staples - SI.com[/url][/quote]

Good stuff CB. I think it shows you should be careful about buying into the hype.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;674895]Heres a great article I read from SI about what NFL draft analysts said about certain prospects and how wrong they were about these 'can't miss' prospects

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/03/16/tim.tebow.pro.day/index.html]Before Tim Tebow's pro day, let's play QB draft match game - Andy Staples - SI.com[/url][/quote]

Good find Cult...The article lends credence to why I've continuously stated the fact that the word potential, when discussing collegiate athletes can never be overestimated.