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[quote=Angry;676595]A guy that can get you 60+ catches and 1000+ yards year in and year out.[/quote]

So we don't have one then . . .

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[quote=skinsfan69;676596]I'm eager too. But chances are we're not looking at guys we can count on week in and week out. Thomas seems to have more upside. And Kelly played against San Diego's freakin' back ups. lol.[/quote]

Didn't he have that 80 yard catch early in the game when they had their starters in?

It's year 3 for both guys so it's the ol "make or break" time. I have confidence Shanahan will get more out of them than Zorn did.

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I heard this same question asked to Pat Kirwin on NFL Radio about a month ago and he basically said the term "#1 WR" refers to a WR that dictates coverage.

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[quote]Please Define A "True Number One" Receiver [/quote]

someone the redskins do not currently have :)

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[quote=Angry]A guy who can get you 60 catches and 1,000 yards year in and year out.[/quote]

[quote=Trample the Elderly;676597]So we don't have one then . . .[/quote]

How about a guy who averaged 70 catches and 1,005 yards over the past 5 years? Allow me to introduce you to [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/santanamoss/careerstats?id=MOS717844]Santana Moss: Career Stats[/url]

Jaws said it best last year, the offense doesn't determine a team's #1 receiver..the opposing defensive coordinator does.

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I think having a questionable coach in Hixon may have slowed the development of the WRs here, and is partly responsible for Moss's "lapses", i.e giving up on the route in the Seattle playoff game, which in turn led to a TC pick.

Now with McCardell here, we could have two beasts in the making. Thomas could be even better than Brandon Marshall--Marhshall's 40-time is only 4.57--and Kelly could be right on par with him, or marginally better because he's likely a better route runner than Marshall.

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I don't know about that. Marshall's hands are on a different level than Thomas's.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;676863]
Now with McCardell here, we could have two beasts in the making. Thomas could be even better than Brandon Marshall--Marhshall's 40-time is only 4.57--and Kelly could be right on par with him, or marginally better because he's likely a better route runner than Marshall.[/quote]


That Jerry Rice guy ran a 4.7, Thomas and Kelly will be better than him! They are bigger and stonger too!

Brandon Marshall is a 100 reception per year guy. He is unstoppable and an elite WR.

Thomas and Kelly are on par with Penny Marshall not Brandon Marshall.

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[quote=jamf;676895]That Jerry Rice guy ran a 4.7, Thomas and Kelly will be better than him! They are bigger and stonger too!

Brandon Marshall is a 100 reception per year guy. He is unstoppable and an elite WR.

Thomas and Kelly are on par with Penny Marshall not Brandon Marshall.[/quote]
That post was not about them being better. But of course, message board posters don't read sentences, they just look at the nouns in the sentences and then make their own sentences in their heads.

And actually, I read one report in which Shanahan was going get rid of Marshall in one way or the other during the 2008 offseason, but he got fired.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4469786]Sources: Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan planned to jettison Brandon Marshall - ESPN[/url]

So for all the boneheads who keep on wanting him, the coach who drafted him didn't want him anymore.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;676897]That post was not about them being better. But of course, message board posters don't read sentences, they just look at the nouns in the sentences and then make their own sentences in their heads.

And actually, I read one report in which Shanahan was going get rid of Marshall in one way or the other during the 2008 offseason, but he got fired.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4469786"]Sources: Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan planned to jettison Brandon Marshall - ESPN[/URL]

So for all the boneheads who keep on wanting him, the coach who drafted him didn't want him anymore.[/quote]

Devin, Don't worry about Marshall. You're not even as good as Eddie Royal or Brandon Stokley. Maybe we could bring in Freddy Mitchell so you can compete with someone on your level...

I'm more of an HBO guy...
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[quote=jamf;676912]Devin, Don't worry about Marshall. You're not even as good as Eddie Royal or Brandon Stokley. Maybe we could bring in Freddy Mitchell so you can compete with someone on your level...

I'm more of an HBO guy...
[IMG]http://thefabempire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/dt.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
Devin and Malcolm have more potential than Marshall. POTENTIAL, dipstick. I was not saying they were actually better, idiot, but since you REFUSE to comprehend that point and instead try to paint me as stupid, well, your actions speak for yourself.

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Have mercy that female is smokin. i mean i'm happy for Devin...how could you not be, but the dude needs to seriously breakout this season. I hope he takes a break from chasing tail everyday to chase TD passes w/ Jason, Colt and Rex

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[quote=Defensewins;676447]The obvious must beat a CB one on one.
Must not be one-dimensional. Be great at at the #1, 2 or slot position.
[COLOR="Red"]Not afraid to go over the middle[/COLOR]. Fast enough to stretch defenses. [COLOR="red"]Great run blocker. Run all out even when playing decoy. Good at running reverses and taking hand offs on running plays. Physical player, not afraid to mix it up with bigger players. [/COLOR]
A great combination of speed and power.
Biggest one of all is being in incredible synch with his QB. They could complete a pass in the pitch black darkness. Meaning, they know exactly where they are going to be and the ball is thrown before the receiver makes the cut.
Incredible hands.
On a side note, I agree with Jamf, thomas and Kelly have not done squat.
Their time is running out and they better come in hitting on all cylinders in 2010. They need to do more thatn just catch a handful passes in a game. They need to start to show signs of dominating their opponents, something that has been seriously lacking and is worrisome for me as a Redskin fan.[/quote]

Okay, although you want all these things in a receiver, [COLOR="red"]SOME of these attributes[/COLOR] have nothing to do with being the #1 receiver. with this criteria, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison and other greats were not #1 receivers. I remember laughing my ass off watching a game where the 49ers were playing and it was muddy as hell and everyone looked like they were playing in the mud, but in the 4th quarter, after over 100 yards receiving, Jerry Rice's jersey was immaculate! He hadn't done a thing but make catches and go out of bouds or make touchdowns! He didnt' get tackled, throw blocks, do any reverses, or anything beyond catch and celebrate. Would it have been nice if he did? i guess so, but as long as he makes the big catches when needed. I mean, Art Monk is my favorite receiver of all time, but he was hardly the #1 guy. yeah, ht caught the tough passes up the middle, in traffic, and had perfect connections with ever QB that he had, but the number one guy was Gary Clark. Art was like Hines Ward. Not the fastest, but the toughest. Not the biggest threat, but changes the game just the same.

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that's a great point...Defensewins has described someone, who, if they existed, would be the most complete wr/tight end/hb hybrid in the history of the game. You have to let some of that stuff go. I mean, how many players can you name who are "great" at the 1,2 and the slot?

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I swear! The commentator joked about how even Jerry's SOCKS were still white!?!!

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Didn't Rice have a weird thing where he frequently changed his uniform throughout a game in order to stay clean?

Edit: yep found this little nugget

[QUOTE]
While Rice is portrayed in a pleasing light, the book does mention his demand for perfection even in his team uniforms, changing into a clean uniform at halftime.

[url=http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Jerry-Rice/Jon-Sterngass/e/9780791096079/]Jerry Rice, Football Superstars Series, Jon Sterngass, Book - Barnes & Noble[/url]
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#1- I like Marshall but I'm not giving up a 1st round draft pick for him. If they would except next years 2nd round draft pick I'd do it in a heart beat.

#2- There were a few WR's on the open market that could have been had with as much talent that would not have cost us a draft pick and the team didn't even make a play for them.

#3- You want a top tier WR now you might as well go after T.O. for a 2 year deal with a 1 year out claus in case he becomes a problem. Opposing teams still have to game plan around him because of his height and abilities even though they are deminishing. That would leave the other WR's one on one or atleast one person open. All JC has to do is be able to scan the field which is part of his problem. Not enough time and lack of ability to see the whole field.

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Devin: "Coach [Shanahan] was like, 'You guys really ran this!?!?' I mean...our formations were so predictable...the way we lined up. They knew what we were running every time."

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/3/22/1384615/devin-thomas-sheds-some-light-on]Devin Thomas Sheds Some Light on New Mike Shanahan Scheme - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;677499]Devin: "Coach [Shanahan] was like, 'You guys really ran this!?!?' I mean...our formations were so predictable...the way we lined up. They knew what we were running every time."

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/3/22/1384615/devin-thomas-sheds-some-light-on"]Devin Thomas Sheds Some Light on New Mike Shanahan Scheme - Hogs Haven[/URL][/quote]

It's amazing how bush league things were under Zorn. The system, the conditioning program, etc. Wow, just wow.

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[quote=Mattyk;677503]It's amazing how bush league things were under Zorn. The system, the conditioning program, etc. Wow, just wow.[/quote]

Yeah that comment from Edwin made me cringe.

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[quote=tryfuhl;677505]Yeah that comment from Edwin made me cringe.[/quote]

Yeah, that really doesn't sound like a very structured workout program. Listening to DT talk about Shanny telling him to make sure he learns the playbook because they're going to be moving him around has got me pretty excited about seeing what this offense can be under this coaching staff.

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Seems like Shanahan's attitude, unlike Zorn's, is you're all professional football players so I'm going to throw the kitchen sink of plays at you and expect you to learn them. I'm not going to slowly ease you into learning the playbook.

We'll see how that plays out

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[quote=SmootSmack;677512]Seems like Shanahan's attitude, unlike Zorn's, is you're all professional football players so I'm going to throw the kitchen sink of plays at you and expect you to learn them. I'm not going to slowly ease you into learning the playbook.

We'll see how that plays out[/quote]

Zorn didn't even have a bathroom sink to throw, much less kitchen. I guess you can argue he tried to work with what he could but ehh

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[quote=SmootSmack;677512]Seems like Shanahan's attitude, unlike Zorn's, is you're all professional football players so I'm going to throw the kitchen sink of plays at you and expect you to learn them. I'm not going to slowly ease you into learning the playbook.

We'll see how that plays out[/quote]

I think that's what you have to do. This is pro football, toss the whole damn playbook at them and let them sink or swim.

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[quote=tryfuhl;677521]Zorn didn't even have a bathroom sink to throw, much less kitchen. I guess you can argue he tried to work with what he could but ehh[/quote]

The dude didn't even practice situational plays. I wish I had the opportunity to throw an actual kitchen sink at him.

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[quote=Mattyk;677525]I think that's what you have to do. This is pro football, toss the whole damn playbook at them and let them sink or swim.[/quote]

They have 5 months before the season starts...first month you take it easy and teach the basics, everything is game after that.

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[quote=saden1;677603][B]The dude didn't even practice situational plays[/B]. I wish I had the opportunity to throw an actual kitchen sink at him.[/quote]

That's really insane to me. I was under the impression situational football was something every team coached. 2 min drills, 4 min drills, etc. Guess that's why we never saw any sense of urgency in games during these types of situations.

Maybe Zorn was going to roll that out in year 3? :doh:

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As for the original question, a #1 WR is someone that doesn't drop balls when his wide open. Some one you can count on to get you that first down on a third down pass. Someone that can get open at will. Someone that you have to double team if you're a defense. Someone who loves to play in the NFL. Someone that doesn't cower when he sees the safety coming to lay wood on him. Someone that goes and gets the ball not waits for it. Someone that doesn't take plays off and goes 100% even when the ball isn't going to be thrown his way. Someone that makes his QB better. Someone like Larry Fitzgerald, Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, and Wes Welker.

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A true #1 WR is a guy that only Champ Bailey , Darrel Revis , or Nnamdi Asomugha can cover.

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[quote=halodoc;677623]A true #1 WR is a guy that only Champ Bailey , Darrel Revis , or Nnamdi Asomugha can cover.[/quote]

Interesting.

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I have never seen a CB as good as [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Sunday-Spotlight-Help-I-m-lost-on-Revis-Islan?urn=nfl,211489"]Darrelle Revis[/URL], not Champ not Deion IMO. Revis is on another level.

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[quote=tryfuhl;677499]Devin: "Coach [Shanahan] was like, 'You guys really ran this!?!?' I mean...our formations were so predictable...the way we lined up. They knew what we were running every time."

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/3/22/1384615/devin-thomas-sheds-some-light-on]Devin Thomas Sheds Some Light on New Mike Shanahan Scheme - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Good read. Devin better be a monster when he sees the field this year, and he should see the field a lot.