re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

If my company asked people to come in voluntary on a saturday, you can bet that i wouldn't show up either.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

I'd rather Haynesworth attend then not attend, but at the same time, these are voluntary workouts, wake me when he decides to not show up to training camp.

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I don't think his trainer is getting the job done...Fat Albert was out-of-shape all year.

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It will all be fine, he will do what he is told when it is time or he will be gone. I am done worrying about cancers and such during early workouts...... It is time for D.C. to rally around those CAPS!!!!!!!!

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

I am confident Shanny HAS dealt with similar things successfully before. AND Bruce can assist armed with dealing with the likes of Warren Sapp.........

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=GreekSkin;677034]What I find really interesting is how Jason Reid's spin on this is miles away from what we would have read if JLC was still the "Redskins Insider"[/quote]

He does not always express objective viewpoints, espically when it comes to Albert Haynesworth. Reading his various blogs on the subject one can readily see how obsessed he is with making him a NT.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

Shahanan and Allen knew about this long before going into last week so they weren't blindsided.

None of the Redskins should be blindsided by this, they knew what they were getting when they signed AH last year. This is how he operates. They're kidding themselves if they thought they were going to change him

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;677064]Portis is fighting for a roster spot.

Again, more hatred towards Landry.... Did I miss the report that Landry skips practice all the time? Maybe I am wrong, I just don't remember hearing that Landry is "one of the biggest slackers".[/quote]

Wasn't it last year or two years ago that no one knew where laron was and he wasn't returning phone calls to the coaches, and later he eventually showed up to training camp and was just chilling in Louisiana

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=SmootSmack;677081]Shahanan and Allen knew about this long before going into last week so they weren't blindsided.

None of the Redskins should be blindsided by this, they knew what they were getting when they signed AH last year. This is how he operates. They're kidding themselves if they thought they were going to change him[/quote]

Has it been determined that his reason for doing whatever he's doing is a grievous one? ...... And does the team find his behavior objectionable?

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;677082]Wasn't it last year or two years ago that no one knew where laron was and he wasn't returning phone calls to the coaches, and later he eventually showed up to training camp and was just chilling in Louisiana[/quote]
Yes, it was reported that he had not returned phone calls last summer. I wouldn't say he was just chilling though. Training with his brother Dawan in Slidell, LA. My good friend works out at the same gym as LaRon.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

Lets run a "1-6 defense" all preseason with Albert as the nose tackle. Maybe that will change his tune.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=Longtimefan;677084]Has it been determined that his reason for doing whatever he's doing is a grievous one? ...... And does the team find his behavior objectionable?[/quote]

Haven't heard anything other than they knew beforehand

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;677018]Those who say he should be cut because of this are detached from reality. Seriously, smarten' up.

Shanahan asked for team leaders to be there, who said Al is a team leader? Just because you are the highest paid doesn't mean you are a leader (see CP).

It is also jumping to conclusions to say he is unhappy. If he was unhappy, he wouldn't have shown up the first day.

People need to calm down. When you pay someone 41 million guaranteed, you have set yourself up for this type of thing.

I am happy to see that he is preparing himself for another All Pro season.[/quote]


I don't see too many calling for his head, but that is lame to show up then leave. This fat bastard is getting paid a lot, and you would think he would be motivated of getting an early start with the 3-4 or heads up with the new regime. Sure it is voluntary, but still why show up then leave? It just plain looks bad and makes him look well, like a fat, lazy bastard.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=GMScud;677008]Well, he's fat and his name is Albert....[/quote]

The thing is that fat isn't even really a reference to his size, at least not directly. In fact it's more of the fans way of calling him lazy. I've noticed that recently about big people. If they're seen as slackers or in the way they get called fat. If they're go getters and hard workers they get called big. Case in point "Big Mike Williams" and "Fat Albert."

I've also noticed that when Haynesworth is playing well he gets called Big Al where when he seems to be slipping, like when he's on the field winded, he gets called "Fat Albert."

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

Guys, it's just voluntary camp.. Plus read this:

[quote] But here's the thing: He never intended to and the Redskins were made aware of his plans, people familiar with the situation said.....

Haynesworth also participated in other first-day activities. But Haynesworth, who is determined to have a big year in 2010, comitted to an individual workout regime with a trainer before the Redskins' plans were set, according to the people with knowledge of the situation.[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haynesworths-workout-regime.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth's workout regime[/url]

Since Redskins are aware of the situation; I don't see any reason for us to jump gun on Haynesworth..

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=BlindReckoning;677088]Lets run a "1-6 defense" all preseason with Albert as the nose tackle. Maybe that will change his tune.[/quote]

He would still stop the run.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;677082]Wasn't it last year or two years ago that no one knew where laron was and he wasn't returning phone calls to the coaches, and later he eventually showed up to training camp and was just chilling in Louisiana[/quote]

I don't remember that being during the mandatory phase of the offseason.

When in rome..... They were all doing it. U boys, Laron, Springs, etc.

Don't hold him up to a standard that the rest of team didn't follow.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;677091]I don't see too many calling for his head, but that is lame to show up then leave. This fat bastard is getting paid a lot, and you would think he would be motivated of getting an early start with the 3-4 or heads up with the new regime. Sure it is voluntary, but still why show up then leave? It just plain looks bad and makes him look well, like a fat, lazy bastard.[/quote]


He wasn't signed for $42 million to be 275 and running a 4.7.

There were a few calling for his head. "Let him go"...."He is a cancer" etc.

That is a great f-ing idea. He has a GUARANTEED $21 million coming in April and his 10 and 11 salaries are also guaranteed. I understand venting but if anyone honestly wants to come on here and type something that they percieve to be coherent on how it makes sense to pay the most dominating lineman in the league $42 million for one year and drop him off the roster, I want to see it.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

garbage, i hate him, you are getting paid millions...show up to workout and set a fucking EXAMPLE!

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=GridIron26;677096]Guys, it's just voluntary camp.. Plus read this:



[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haynesworths-workout-regime.html"]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth's workout regime[/URL]

Since Redskins are aware of the situation; I don't see any reason for us to jump gun on Haynesworth..[/quote]


Don't worry, the jealousy is out there. 106.7 the fan will probably mention it 4 times an hour. Czaban and Polin (probably the worst Redskin analyst on any media) will bring it up every chance they get.

He is the best D lineman on the team by miles (probably the best player overall), the best D lineman in the division, the best D lineman in the conference and probably the best D-lineman in the league.

How many 360 pounders in the world are in good enough shape to play D Tackle on every snap of a game?

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=tootergray34;677111]garbage, i hate him, you are getting paid millions...show up to workout and set a fucking EXAMPLE![/quote]

He did show up and he is working out. There are a lot of Redskins who were paid millions upon millions and never made the plays that Phat Albert makes game in and game out.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=tootergray34;677111]garbage, i hate him, you are getting paid millions...show up to workout and set a fucking EXAMPLE![/quote]

Ok Tooter. You be the GM. So after we cut the best tackle in the league, how will we replace him? (I don't need to remind you that our D-line went from weakness to strength the second he got here and that our O-line is a joke)

I know.... you would go out there and get in his face and tell him how it is. :rofl:

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

wtf fat al

just shut up and play dood

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

really Albert? really?

you make more this year than probably most of us will in a lifetime and yet you cant workout?
really?

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Honestly, setting examples, being part of the team, etc...all that is fine...but it's March. I'll worry about this if it happens during the regular season. That's when it will matter

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

Shortly after Shanahan was hired, the Redskins training staff was let go. Maybe Albert was disappointed with his 2009 season and hired this trainer so he could get started with someone he's worked with successfully before while the Redskins figured out their strength and conditioning coaches. Maybe he has every intention of making 2010 his best year. And maybe we're all misjudging him to be out of shape because every time the ball is snapped he's fighting two huge D-lineman at one time.

Or maybe he just doesn't really care all that much, and he's making his "plans" known while giving a tad of face time at Redskin's Park, all the while knowing that for the next three seasons, as long as he doesn't suck, he'll be playing for our team and collecting a king's ransom while doing so (he's paid for those years guaranteed). Maybe he's just smirking at the idea of needing to work his tail off in the offseason since he's already crazily paid. He seemed really out of shape at times last year, constantly flopping to the ground in seemingly agonizing pain and sucking major wind, only to return a series later looking just fine.

Whether it's one scenario or the other, or a combination of the two, he'll probably never unanimously live up to the expectations of a contract his size. Especially given our nuts fan base and his prior reputation.

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=GMScud;677122]Shortly after Shanahan was hired, the Redskins training staff was let go. Maybe Albert was disappointed with his 2009 season and hired this trainer so he could get started with someone he's worked with successfully before while the Redskins figured out their strength and conditioning coaches. Maybe he has every intention of making 2010 his best year. [B]And maybe we're all misjudging him to be out of shape because every time the ball is snapped he's fighting two huge D-lineman at one time. [/B]

[/quote]

See part of me wants to believe that part of the reason he's winded so often and that he really is giving a 1,000%. However during the season I heard from a few people on the internet (yeah I know) that they had seen Haynesworth with a friend at a local bar on Saturday night before the Carolina game downing beer after beer. Maybe it was just a rumor, but part of me doesn't doubt that Haynesworth would do something like that. It wouldn't be the first time I've heard that Al likes to party hard.

Actually for what it's worth Haynesworth wasn't the only one that I heard about in the last year that had been partying the night before a game on our team.

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I don't get this... I know why a normal Tackle in the 4-3 wouldn't like to change to a 3-4 NT because it's going to hurt his stats and might cost him his big cheque and new contract..... But first Albert already got his big cheque so what he's scared of, man this dude is a crying old baby and last time I checked NT are making lots of money now with the NFL turning into a 3-4 league.... I just don't get why he's making such a big deal of this worst case scenario things don't work he still gets 40 mill and moves to a team that plays the 4-3 where he's good and gets another 30 mill

re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

There is no real evidence that this has anything to do with him being unhappy about the switch to a 3-4. I really hate when people treat rumours as gospel.

Re: WTF Albert?
 

[U]If[/U] AH has a problem with playing in a 3-4 defense and [U]if[/U] Shanahan thinks that AH's attitude will adversely affect the team, then the Skins could explore the possibility of trading him to either St. Louis or Detroit for either the #1 or the #2 overall pick. Both the Rams and the Lions play a 4-3 defense and both of them need a dominant DL. Also, Jim Schwartz, the Lion's HC, was AH's DC in Tenn. By the way, I'm not trying to set the trade value of AH. I'm just saying that those high draft picks would be included.

If the Skins [U]really[/U] want Sam Bradford, they could offer Detroit AH for a swap of 1st round picks this year and a first round pick next year. That way, Detroit would be able to add AH and also have the #4 pick in the draft and the Skins would be sure to get Bradford and they would also have two first round picks next year.

Now, don't misunderstand my point. I'm not saying that I think AH is a problem or will become one. In fact, once he's on the field, I think that he will always play hard and try to dominate. But [U]if[/U] Shanahan thinks he has a problem on his hands with AH and [U]if[/U] he desperately wants Sam Bradford or [U]if[/U] he wants two picks in the top four to build with, then I think now is the time for him to explore a trade of AH.

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

The team knew about his plans so really this is a non issue for me. Nothing to get hysterical about, though the AH haters are loving this for sure.

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=D'BOYZ;677125]I don't get this... I know why a normal Tackle in the 4-3 wouldn't like to change to a 3-4 NT because it's going to hurt his stats and might cost him his big cheque and new contract..... But first Albert already got his big cheque so what he's scared of, man this dude is a crying old baby and last time I checked NT are making lots of money now with the NFL turning into a 3-4 league.... I just don't get why he's making such a big deal of this worst case scenario things don't work he still gets 40 mill and moves to a team that plays the 4-3 where he's good and gets another 30 mill[/quote]

When has he cried about anything? Jason Reid has made a big deal over this, Phat Albert hasn't said a word.

They signed Kemo to be the NT so that things work. The earliest he is going anywhere would be after 2011 (and I don't see that happening).

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=Mattyk;677132]The team knew about his plans so really this is a non issue for me. Nothing to get hysterical about, though the AH haters are loving this for sure.[/quote]

I certainly agree.....Cooler heads need to prevail, no need to sound like we're trying to get a health care bill passed here. A mountain is being made of a mole-hill.

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

Haynesworth also wasn't the only one who showed up for a day or two and then left

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^ Who else?

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[quote=Lotus;677148]^ Who else?[/quote]

Wouldn't it be more fun for us to guess who else left early? Let's see... probably overpaid, over-hyped guys with big egos who think they're better than they really are. H-m-m-m-m. Ok, I'll go with Carlos Rogers and LaRon Landry.

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

Rather than focusing on the negative I'm focusing on the fact guys at least showed for the first day and gave Shanahan that level of respect. What they did after that is between them and the team.

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=Lotus;677148]^ Who else?[/quote]

Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels to name a couple

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

As far as I know, Landry and Rogers never left

Re: Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts
 

[quote=SmootSmack;677155]As far as I know, Landry and Rogers never left[/quote]

I'm sure someone would have reported and we would have individuals threads going for each of them.

When is Bradford showing up? ;)