Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;677331]Ultimately, I'm on the side of your soapbox rant. This question is more to address the question of "what is Jimmy Clausen's true value" than to cheer-lead his arrival.[/quote]

trade value? Oh, ok...then yes Jimmy Clausen is a douchebag.
Kidding. I have no idea if 'Jimmy' is any good with vaginal hygiene.
But due to the current condition of the Redskins roster and the horrid talent level we have at OL, and given that this draft is strong in OL and RB, and the best OLT might land in our lap, I would not trade up or down for Jimmy Clausen.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=warpaint;677286]COLT MCCOYS STATS
Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 217 318 2570 68.2 8.08 72 29 7 14 161.82
2007 276 424 3303 65.1 7.79 62 22 18 24 139.16
2008 332 433 3859 76.7 8.91 91 34 8 24 173.75
2009 332 470 3521 70.6 7.49 88 27 12 30 147.41

JIMMY CLAUSEN
Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2007 138 245 1254 56.3 5.12 44 7 6 35 103.85
2008 268 440 3172 60.9 7.21 69 25 17 21 132.49
2009 289 425 3722 68.0 8.76 88 28 4 24 161.43

TIM TEBOWS
Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 22 33 358 66.7 10.85 55 5 1 0 201.73
2007 234 350 3286 66.9 9.39 66 32 6 13 172.47
2008 192 298 2746 64.4 9.22 70 30 4 15 172.37
2009 213 314 2895 67.8 9.22 80 21 5 29 164.17

I would go McCoy Tebow Clausen. I dont understand why you would take a proven loser over proven winners. But I dont know that much about him Just that he has questions about his real charactor.

I tried to get the stats straight so they wouldnt look so crowed but it didnt work.[/quote]
^^^^^
You are a complete idiot, thank God you aren't making any decisions for the Skins! Although I would love it if you got a job in the Cowboys front office.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=murphy196;677344]^^^^^
You are a complete idiot, thank God you aren't making any decisions for the Skins! Although I would love it if you got a job in the Cowboys front office.[/quote]

Uncalled for. Too many people here calling others idiots for no reason.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=Schneed10;677312]I wouldn't trade up for Clausen at all, nothing about him excites me. If he falls to us in the 2nd round and we take him, I don't think I'd be thrilled but I wouldn't hate it.

But if we actually used two picks to get him via trade, I'd be pretty upset.[/quote]
This pretty much sums up my feelings as well, but I think I'd still be initially P.O.'d.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=BleedBurgundy;677326]I am firmly in the Clausen's a huge bust waiting to happen group. Just a gut feeling, but something about that kid just screams douchebag to me. So to answer the question, i wouldn't trade up at all to pick him. I'll be pissed if we take him in the draft.[/quote]
Man, I wish I had read your post before Schneed's, this is EXACTLY how I feel.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=Schneed10;677312][B]I wouldn't trade up for Clausen at all[/B], nothing about him excites me. [B]If he falls to us in the 2nd round and we take him[/B], I don't think I'd be thrilled but I wouldn't hate it.

But if we actually used two picks to get him via trade, I'd be pretty upset.[/quote]

great points, i agree whole heartedly.

in general, everyone needs to relax. theres a month until the draft and we all have officially gone a little crazy with the insults.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

I would not trade up for a QB with JC, Sexy Rexy and PJ5 on my squad.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=DIRTEE;677352]I would not trade up for a QB with JC, Sexy Rexy and PJ5 on my squad.[/quote]

I would actually cut PJ5, convince the NFL to allow him to reenter the draft and trade whatever was needed to get the Rams pick and take him (PJ5) at number 1 overall.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=murphy196;677344]^^^^^
You are a complete idiot, thank God you aren't making any decisions for the Skins! Although I would love it if you got a job in the Cowboys front office.[/quote]

Way to go big guy thats how you stay on topic. Keep up your insightful comments and you'll gain everyones respect here and in life.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

i opt out of all of it and dont even consider taking clausen at all..

4th - Okung
37th - Best available OL.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=12thMan;677257]GTripp, I don't follow your logic of taking Colt McCoy over Jimmy Clausen. At least the part about saving picks. It makes no difference unless you flat out believe that McCoy is plainly a better quarterback than Clausen. And if you do, then you're certainly in the minority on this one, which is fine too. But saving picks for the sake of "saving picks", yet drafting an inferior quarterback accomplishes nothing. You draft a quarterback with the intention that he'll someday lead your franchise and lead it well.

Either Colt McCoy is better than Clausen and deserves to be drafted higher or he isn't. Adding picks to the equation does nothing for me when you're drafting a quarterback. It's a make or break position.[/quote]Yes, Colt McCoy is a better quarterback than Clausen and deserves to be drafted higher.

But you can also play the perception of the league and leverage the fact that one is probably going to go before the other into getting the other later in the draft. Which is, the further Clausen falls, the less one would need to consider a trade up for McCoy, and could probably even start considering a trade down.

Again, if the target is Clausen, this point is moot. It's not relevant when McCoy will go if the idea is to draft Clausen. But if the idea is to draft McCoy, when Clausen goes is quite relevant, because if the market determines where McCoy will be drafted, Clausen's stock is a major determinant in setting that market.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;677255]At this point the Skins front office is playing it very close to the vest. I have a hard time believing that the draft will be any different, leading me to believe that they'll either try to trade down or draft who they believe to be the best available tackle.[/quote]

Trade down from #4 and pick up an OL at say #13. (Worked out well last year!) And pick up more picks for another tackle later in an acquired #3rd rounder. The first round will apparently be full of very good OL prospects.

Case in point!
[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Left_Tackle_In_Flux__Redskins_Eye_O_Line_Prospects_109284.jsp]With Left Tackle In Flux, Redskins Eye O-Line Prospects[/url]

QB is not the issue. The OL, LB, RB, and secondary are issues.

Clausen just aint a bag of chips and all that! I can't think of one BCS championship that he's won.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=geichidanman;677306]I think clausen will not help the redskins. He's a bust in the making. We should see if we can get tebow in the 2nd round or lefevour later. Great upside on those two at a lower price. Both of those guys can beat you with their wheels and arms. We must get a top OLT with the 4th pick...period.[/quote]

I echo RedskinsJim, Welcome new guy! You're buying! Surprise!

:laughing-

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;677363]Yes, Colt McCoy is a better quarterback than Clausen and deserves to be drafted higher.
[/quote]

I'm not saying Clausen should be the pick at #4. But Clausen IS BETTER than McCoy. Maybe not from a college standpoint but from an NFL standpoint. Clausen just finished the season with some of the best stats of ANY Junior QB EVER. AND HE RAN A PRO OFFENSE! He had to READ defenses!!!! Colt McCoy read route combinations. With Notre Dame's shitty OLine and an even shittier defense, Clausen was able to keep his team in games that they otherwise wouldnt have been close in. Notre Dame's record would be far worse if Colt McCoy played for them this year.

Clausen doesnt have the biggest arm strength but he can read 1 on 1 coverage and puts it up for his reciever to make a play on it. And his short and intermediate passes have real good zip on them. And if you watch the tape, Colt McCoy relied on his legs a good amount of the time. He's not terribly fast so it isnt going to cut it in the NFL against superior athletes. Clausen has good pocket awareness, n moves around to create more time to THROW.....like a QUARTERBACK lol. Jimmy Clausen played all year on a bad toe that ended up needing surgery. He went out of the game against Purdue but came back in to lead his team to victory when they needed him most. Colt McCoy played against NFL sized lineman against Alabama and what happened? Injury. Fluke? Prolly. But i digress. i would rather trade for Flozell Adams and have him play QB then to have Colt McCoy.

Clausen is NFL ready now, McCoy could take years, if he ever develops at all (and if that happens, that'll just be a wasted 2nd round pick that could have been used on someone who could have strongly contributed all season long with all our problem areas).

Unfortunately, i doubt the Redskins will go Oline in the 1st AND 2nd round (wish they would). So EVERYONE, if you take Clausen in the 1st, and an OT in the 2nd, then you have two opening day starters (caliber). As opposed to getting a OT (Williams, Bulaga, or Davis) in the 1st and then a pet project McCoy in the 2nd. A pick which may or may not pan out, then we dont pick again till the 4th, then after that its project guys as well unless we strike a gem. We have too many needs to miss with our 1st and 2nd round pick.

If we got Clausen we could get sum kind of trade for Campbell, and Grossman still makes for a good backup. I'm not saying Clausen SHOULD be the pick at 4, but its a better idea then taking McCoy at 37 and if shanahan thinks Clausen is his guy, then ill support it. Does Clausen offer more than Campbell would as an opening day starter? Who knows? But it would be a change in the winds, a breath of fresh air. As Bruce Allen said, the status quo (Campbell) is unacceptable.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=backrow;677364]Trade down from #4 and pick up an OL at say #13. (Worked out well last year!) And pick up more picks for another tackle later in an acquired #3rd rounder. The first round will apparently be full of very good OL prospects.

Case in point!
[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Left_Tackle_In_Flux__Redskins_Eye_O_Line_Prospects_109284.jsp]With Left Tackle In Flux, Redskins Eye O-Line Prospects[/url]

QB is not the issue. The OL, LB, RB, and secondary are issues.

Clausen just aint a bag of chips and all that! I can't think of one BCS championship that he's won.[/quote]

Key word from my post though is try. It's very difficult to trade down from the top 10. And I wouldn't be so quick to look for the BCS as a measure of a potential franchise QB. God knows that football is not only a team game but the BCS system is messed up beyond belief. If such a system did work then you'd be seeing Kansas and Kentucky battling it out for the national championship in basketball.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

Not worth it. Clausen will fall in our laps, and if not there are other good QBs out there that can be starter caliber for us. I think this Bradford/Clausen obsession is rather shortsighted. Very few of the top billed college QBs have panned out in over a decade or have been lackluster thus far. There are at least a dozen solid QB prospects, with most mocks seeing them go in the latter rounds. A great QB behind a terrible line will suck, but a good Qb behind a great line can do wonders. Do you really think Flacco is all the great of an actual QB? He is more of a game manager than a true gunslinger, but his poise and not making mistakes is going to make him a winner behind a solid line and some nice new weapons for next season. Top 2 picks should be O line then either a QB, RB, LB, or even A CB or S.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=backrow;677364]
Clausen just aint a bag of chips and all that! [B]I can't think of one BCS championship that he's won.[/B][/quote]

Atleast he brought Navy back to prominence.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

Options are:

-I would not be willing to use the 37th overall pick on Jimmy Clausen
-I would be willing to spend the 37th overall pick on Clausen, but not trade up for him
-I would be willing to trade our fourth round pick to move up 2-6 spots and ensure that we get him, even if it looks like we can get him at 37.
-I would be willing to trade up about 10 picks into the back end of the first round (ahead of, say, Arizona), at the cost of the 2011 2nd rounder.
-If Jimmy Clausen is available after the 16th pick in the first round, we should trade our 2011 first rounder to ensure we get him.

Note: in all situations, you would be using the second round pick in part of the trade/selection process.

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I would not be willing to spend the 37th overall to get Clausen. Like others I think he's a bust. Charlie did a good job w/ his QBs. Just like Quinn was perceived as a solid prospect but in fact doesn't have enough talent to excel in the pros I think Clausen's talent (or lack thereof) is less than it's perceived.

Also, I would not assume Bradford is at the top of our board. I just wouldn't assume it. Shanny has been rather particular about his QBs. He likes guys with rocket arm and quicker than average release. Elway, Cutler, hell even Griese fits that bill. Bradford does NOT. I understand it's easy to get into the hype we hear all day long about the new young stud, but there's no reason to believe Mike is on that bandwagon. He's been through plenty of these rodeos already...

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

This idea of trying to pick up a franchise QB for cheap doesn't make sense to me, especially with so many other needs. If the next John Elway, Peyton Manning, or Sonny J is in the draft, then by all means take him! If the guy really is that good, he'll likely be a top 5 pick and worth it. Maybe Bradford is that guy, but nobody else in this draft is. Personally, I think next year, Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett are both better prospects, and we should use all our picks this year on tight ends.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

if we had a third and if clausen fell there, then, i'd take him... that's the only scenario i would endorse...

but, we don't have a third, so...

if he falls to the second and we pick him, i'll be pissed...

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

As a Notre Dame fan who watched every single down Clausen played I must say some of you are under rating him.

Also blaming [B]Clausen for Notre Dame's struggles these past few seasons is ludicrous [/B]since Clausen didn't play a single down on defense and that defense under Charlie Wies was pathetic. Defense was absolutely the reason why the Irish's record has been mediocre. Clausen can make all of the NFL throws and due to playing behind a rather pathetic offensive line at ND and getting hammered for three years is one tough kid who is very durable(unlike Bradford who seems to be made of glass). Blaming Clausen for ND's losses is in all honesty quite comical and absolutely ridiculous.


[B] Now for the draft....I wouldn't take Clausen at #4 not because he isn't worth that pick but because the Skins OFFENSIVE LINEMEN above all else.[/B] If he dropped to us in the 2nd round I'd take him before they announced whom was on the clock but I wouldn't trade away any other picks to get up to get anyone because this team needs all of the picks it has because Curato/Snyder have spent over a decade giving draft picks away.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=warpaint;677355]Way to go big guy thats how you stay on topic. Keep up your insightful comments and you'll gain everyones respect here and in life.[/quote]

Your thoughts on taking McCoy and Tebow over Clausen based on Stats are just absurd. Granted my tone was that of an a-hole, I'm just tired of people that aren't well informed on these guys.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

There's no need to insult someone if you don't agree with them. Come on let's keep it civil.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

If I'm the Redskins, that point never comes.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=TrustinGibbs;677394][B]As a Notre Dame fan who watched every single down Clausen played I must say some of you are under rating him.[/B]

[B]Also blaming Clausen for Notre Dame's struggles these past few season is ludicrous since Clausen didn't play a single down on defense and that defense under Charlie Wies was pathetic and absolutely the reason why the Irish sucked. [/B]Clausen can make all of the NFL throws and due to playing behind a pathetic offensive line at ND and getting hammered for three years is one tough kid who is very durable(unlike Bradford who seems to be made of glass)

Now for the draft....I wouldn't take Clausen at #4 not because he isn't worth that pick but because the Skins OFFENSIVE LINEMEN above all else. If he dropped to us in the 2nd round I'd take him before they announced whom was on the clock but I wouldn't trade away any other picks to get up to get anyone because Curato/Snyder killed this franchise by trading away picks for the past decade plus.[/quote]

It is funny how the anti-Clause group blame Clausen for the losses and the pro-Clausen group completely absolves him. Somewhere in the middle I think is fair. He does have some responsibility.
The great QB's like Peyton Manning on some under-man-ed Colts teams or Ben Roethlisburger when at Miami of Ohio, won and even upsetting stronger teams so your argument is kind of weak.
[B]Notre Dame is not a weak sister that has no top recruits show up at their door. [/B]So when ND loses to Navy, Connecticut or a bad Michigan team in one season, I think that stink has to be partly associated to Clausen. I don't blame Clausen when playing a true powerhouse team like USC, but losing to to other weak teams is not something you can not completely absolve Clausen.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=Defensewins;677469]It is funny how the anti-Clause group blame Clausen for the losses and the pro-Clausen group completely absolves him. Somewhere in the middle I think is fair. He does have some responsibility.
The great QB's like Peyton Manning on some under-man-ed Colts teams or Ben Roethlisburger when at Miami of Ohio, won and even upsetting stronger teams so your argument is kind of weak.
[B]Notre Dame is not a weak sister that has no top recruits show up at their door. [/B]So when ND loses to Navy, Connecticut or a bad Michigan team in one season, I think that stink has to be partly associated to Clausen.[/quote]

Notre Dame scored more then enough points to win most or all of the games they have lost in the past two seasons due mostly to Clausen/Tate but they couldn't stop anyone. It is illogical to blame Clausen for most of those losses if not all of them.

The problem at Notre Dame in recent years is they have plenty of talent, even NFL talent on offense and NONE on defense. You cannot win that way([B]Defensewins[/B] right??)

Winning games in college doesn't have a whole lot to do with being successful at the NFL level at the QB position anyway. If it did Matt Lienhart would be headed to the HOF rather then riding the bench and the University of Florida would have numerous All-Pro QB's to it's credit rather then numerous QB's who didn't transition well to the NFL game. How many NCAA Football Championships do Payton Manning, Tom Brady and Bret Farve have anyway?

What matters IMO is:

Can the guy make all of the necessary throws?

Is the guy tough and durable because in the NFL a QB is going to get hit.(this is why I stay far, far away from Bradford especially with a high 1st round pick)

Will said player work hard at his craft and study film to assure his success?

Does said player have the leadership qualities you look for in a QB(this would be the only question mark with Clausen for me, while all of the other available QB's have question marks of their own).

I'd rather draft a QB with a question mark next to leadership then next to durability like Bradford.

[B]With all of that said I do not support drafting Clausen unless he falls to us in the 2nd round.[/B]

IMO he will have the best NFL career of any of the available QB's in this draft and he is by far the most NFL ready.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

Give me opinions on top availible QB and which value ranking for the draft. Mine:

1. Bradford...to me the easily the best QB availible...Top ten pick
2. Clausen .... really by a hair over McCoy... 20-30 picks 1st round
3. McCoy .... I ve heard best for Shanny's system, great release 20-30 picks 1st round
4. Tebow .... Intangibles king...late 2nd round pick

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

I dont know if i'd trade up for clausen, but if shanahan really liked him, i'd certainly trade DOWN for him. If the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35674-warpath-mock-draft-start-time-3-a-4.html#post674026"]ultra-realistic 49ers-redskins trade[/URL]happened, id certainly consider this:

13. Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen
17. Rutgers OT Anthony Davis
49. Stanford RB Toby Gerhart or best OT on the board.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=TrustinGibbs;677474]Notre Dame scored more then enough points to win most or all of the games they have lost in the past two seasons due to Clausen/Tate/Floyd but they couldn't stop anyone. It is illogical to blame Clausen for most of those losses if not all of them.

The problem at Notre Dame in recent years is they have plenty of talent, even NFL talent on offense and NONE on defense. You cannot win that way([B]Defensewins[/B] right??)

Winning games in college doesn't have a whole lot to do with being successful at the NFL level at the QB position anyway. If it did Matt Lienhart would be headed to the HOF rather then riding the bench and the University of Florida would have numerous All-Pro QB's to it's credit rather then numerous QB's who didn't transition well to the NFL game.

What matters IMO is:

Can the guy make all of the necessary throws?

Is the guy tough and durable because in the NFL a QB is going to get hit.

Will said player work hard at his craft and study film to assure his success?

Does said player have the leadership qualities you look for in a QB(this would be the only question mark with Clausen for me, while all of the other available QB's have question marks of their own).

I'd rather draft a QB with a question mark next to leadership then next to durability like Bradford.

[B]With all of that said I do not support drafting Clausen unless he falls to us in the 2nd round.[/B]

IMO he will have the best NFL career of any of the available QB's in this draft and he is by far the most NFL ready.[/quote]

I just don't see Clausen falling past Buffalo. I wouldn't mind us swapping with them or Seattle though and moving up in the second.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677481]I dont know if i'd trade up for clausen, but if shanahan really liked him, i'd certainly trade DOWN for him. If the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35674-warpath-mock-draft-start-time-3-a-4.html#post674026"]ultra-realistic 49ers-redskins trade[/URL]happened, id certainly consider this:

13. Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen
17. Rutgers QB Anthony Davis
49. Stanford RB Toby Gerhart or best OT on the board.[/quote]

#1 I wouldn't draft Clausen that high
#2 I wouldn't draft QB's with our first 2 picks
#3 Davis makes alot better OT than QB
;)

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=53Fan;677486]
#3 Davis makes alot better OT than QB
;)[/quote]

haha was going to say perhaps we're doing our own jamarcus experiment

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

The bottom line is that no one knows how any of these QBs will fare in the NFL. College performance is just not reliable enough evidence to evaluate how a guy is going to blossom or implode. Ryan Leaf? Tom Brady? That being said: looking at intangibles, I have always liked the work ethic, attitude and passion with which Tim Tebow plays. However I still wouldn't take him unless he fell to round 3 and then there would have to be some trading and such to move up to get him there. First two picks should be of need. O line, LB, CB or O line again.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

LOL, oops. i've edited my post. I also would prefer that we not draft clausen, but i prefaced my statement on if Shanahan was sold on him. Rex Grossman is obviously not the long-term answer and by tendering Campbell at a 1st round level only, it seems we dont expect Campbell to be the long-term answer either. so, somehow, we need to find ourselves a starting QB beyond 2010.

Keeping the same trade scenario, i'd love to see something like this:

-Washington trades #4 and #37 to SF for #13, #17, and #49.

-Washington trades #49 to Minnesota for Sage Rosenfels and #62. (This would make Rosenfelds equal 126 points, or a late 3rd rounder).

-The skins would end up with a 2010 Starting Quarterback, #13, #17, and #62.

In that scenario, my dream draft would go this way:


1 (#13) - Rutgers OT Anthony Davis
1 (#17) - SoCal OT Charles Brown
via Trade - Sage Rosenfels, starting QB
2 (#62) - Carolina NT Cam Thomas
4 (#101) - Connecticut DE/OLB Lindsey Witten
5 (#132) - Oregon RB LeGarrette Blount
7 (#196) - BPA

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677517]LOL, oops. i've edited my post. I also would prefer that we not draft clausen, but i prefaced my statement on if Shanahan was sold on him. Rex Grossman is obviously not the long-term answer and by tendering Campbell at a 1st round level only, it seems we dont expect Campbell to be the long-term answer either. so, somehow, we need to find ourselves a starting QB beyond 2010.

Keeping the same trade scenario, i'd love to see something like this:

-Washington trades #4 and #37 to SF for #13, #17, and #49.

-Washington trades #49 to Minnesota for Sage Rosenfels and #62. (This would make Rosenfelds equal 126 points, or a late 3rd rounder).

-The skins would end up with a 2010 Starting Quarterback, #13, #17, and #62.

In that scenario, my dream draft would go this way:


1 (#13) - Rutgers OT Anthony Davis
1 (#17) - SoCal OT Charles Brown
via Trade - Sage Rosenfels, starting QB
2 (#62) - Carolina NT Cam Thomas
4 (#101) - Connecticut DE/OLB Lindsey Witten
5 (#132) - Oregon RB LeGarrette Blount
7 (#196) - BPA[/quote]

Apparently Brown is slipping and a number 17 pick might not be necessary, some have him sliding back into the 2nd

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;677528]Apparently Brown is slipping and a number 17 pick might not be necessary, some have him sliding back into the 2nd[/quote]

wow, i hadnt heard that.... although i doubt he'd slip all the way to our 2nd round pick (at the bottom of the 2nd round after the trade with the vikings). In that case, i'd take Campbell or Saffold at 17. From what i've read, theres a substantial drop-off in talent after the first 6-7 OTs, where as theres not much difference between the top tackles not named okung.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

Didn't realize Brown was slipping either. He's always been, as far as I know, pegged in the late 1st to early 2nd.

Saffold is rising a lot. Eagles, among other teams, are showing strong interest in him and could be targeting him with their 1st round pick

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

im down for any of the top tier tackles but i would stay away from anthony davis. seems like an exact clone of andre smith last year.

dedication, conditioning issues. was suspended a few times for missing/being late to team meetings. was demoted to the 2nd team at rutgers for reporting overweight.

missed his pro day b/c he was "sick". (i say he was out of shape, given his track record)

alot like andre smith who had the same conditioning and off field issues. also missed his pro day. i think davis actually stayed at the combine unlike davis who just left. andre smith then went on to be drafted top 10 by the bengals, holds out for along time then injures himself for the year on the first day he joins the team.

i despise players like this. im not knee jerk reacting when a player does this consistently for 4 years.

i would avoid players like this at all costs. with such a good quantity of 1st round talent at tackle, i dont see why we would have to settle for a davis.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;677545]Didn't realize Brown was slipping either. He's always been, as far as I know, pegged in the late 1st to early 2nd.

Saffold is rising a lot. Eagles, among other teams, are showing strong interest in him and could be targeting him with their 1st round pick[/quote]

I meant as far as being considered like an 18-25 guy. I guess "apparently" was the wrong word though; more so "according to Kirwan" (at least in his recent mock) who had him going at pick 26 to the Cardinals before this version. Still though, that's only one man's speculation at this point.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81714d0c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Mock draft 4.0: If Clausen slips, Bills could take him at No. 9[/url]

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=murphy196;677421]Your thoughts on taking McCoy and Tebow over Clausen based on Stats are just absurd. Granted my tone was that of an a-hole, I'm just tired of people that aren't well informed on these guys.[/quote]

I agree with you that Clausen is the better prospect. There are plenty of people who think McCoy will be better though. To each his own. It doesn't necessarily mean that someone who doesn't agree is not as "well informed" as you. And actually since none of us have, met with, worked out or viewed all the coaches tape on these prospects we are all not well informed to some extent.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

And on Clausen, as I posted in the Clausen has met with the Skins thread, he will not be working out at his pro day. He's rescheduled his workout for April 9th.