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[quote=saden1;683832]McNabb is not and will never be the face of the Redskins. He may play for the Skins but he will always be the face of the Eagles.[/quote]

^ What he said. I'll support him now that he's part of the team, but unless he takes us to the promised land he'll always be representative of the Iggles.

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[quote=warpaint;683802]It was my understanding he had a no trade clause, and that there were better offers for him but he invoked it. If there wasnt a no trade clause I believe he would have been sent to St.Louis. This is just my take on it. But Im going with the best option to play and win and we are it.[/quote]

Yes he did have a "no trade" policy added to the contract. I don't know where you get the St. Louis idea but simply put with the clause he could refuse any trade if he didn't like it. He didn't like any of the teams that were interested, McNabb was not going to be the starter, and the Skins were the best of all the teams interested in him.

The whole St. Louis issue may have been what the Rams offered. Out of the 4 or 5 teams interested to include the Skins, the Skins may have offered the most to pick him up, or it could simply be the Skins looked to have the best chance to succede compared to the other teams.

In any event It's not like out of all the teams McNabb chose the Redskins. It was more the point that the Redskins chose him and we were the best of only a few teams to be interested so he took the deal with the Skins.

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It will be interesting to see if this "Lovefest" for McNabb continues through the season.

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[quote=53Fan;683843]It will be interesting to see if this "Lovefest" for McNabb continues through the season.[/quote]

Well if they win, I think it will continue. If they lose, oh boy...

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;683832]McNabb is not and will never be the face of the Redskins. He may play for the Skins but he will always be the face of the Eagles.[/quote]

This is exactly how I feel. Just because he's a Skin now does not wipe out the fact he was an Eagle for 10 or 11 yrs. Lets say he's with us for 3 yrs... most media pundits will still refer to McNabb as an Eagle. Most of his stats were put up as an Eagle.

The only way I see this changing is if he wins a SB with us. Just like Doug Williams did. I saw Doug as a Buccaneer and then we picked him up. Throughout his career in Tampa he was up and down. I figured he was basically a good backup. When he took over I though we were screwed and he came in and took us to the SB and won it in one quarter. To me he's a Skin now, but funny he's back in Tampa in the FO.

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[quote=53Fan;683843]It will be interesting to see if this "Lovefest" for McNabb continues through the season.[/quote]

Lovefest? This is practically a public riot. People think that just because we're trying to "win now" we're doing things the Vinny way. I think people had it set in their minds that we were going to be below .500 this year and now that it's clear that we're going to try to win people are uncomfortable because they immediately associate this with the old regime.

Yet at the same time people were begging for us to go O-Line first and with this trade we're practically guaranteed to get a franchise tackle, yet thats not good enough for some people, because they thought QB hungry people would accept simply drafting a Tony Pike or God forbid John Skelator. This is the compromise and it's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Franchise tackle and QB in the same year.

This is a front office that has been proactive all the while displaying prudence and patience. I certainly don't agree with the Vinny comparisons though I do understand what would lead one to draw that conclusion.

And one more thing, Vinny would have basically thrown the bank at Peppers, Clifton, and Dansby. Drafted Clausen then traded for Gaither. Personally I don't mind the draft strategy but going after the first three free agents mentioned would have been overkill.

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Going to be weird seeing McNabb in the B and G. Already strange to see his face with the Skins emblem next to it.
I am really excited about the draft and what will happen and how the Campbell situation is going to play out.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;683832]McNabb is not and will never be the face of the Redskins. He may play for the Skins but he will always be the face of the Eagles.[/quote]

You guys might not want him to be the face for the team, but I bet the front office will do all they can to make him the face for the team, love it or hate it, its pretty much a done deal.

Here is a good question so is the face of the team and dont say Shanny, because there is hardly ever a coach thats a face for certain team.

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McNabb, by the way, did not have a no trade clause in his contract with Philly

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[quote=warpaint;683856]You guys might not want him to be the face for the team, but I bet the front office will do all they can to make him the face for the team, love it or hate it, its pretty much a done deal.

Here is a good question so is the face of the team and dont say Shanny, because there is hardly ever a coach thats a face for certain team.[/quote]

The front office can sell me a loaf a shit in hot-dog bun but that doesn't mean I'll be buying. Clinton Portis is still the face of the Redskins and if he isn't well then the Redskins are faceless.

Don't try sell me no god damn McNabb as the face of the Skins...I won't buy that crap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;683857]McNabb, by the way, did not have a no trade clause in his contract with Philly[/quote]

So if he didn't have the no-trade clause. Then I take back what I said earlier, So is this our front office just doing their magic and pulling a rabbit out of the hat.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;683864]The front office can sell me a loaf a shit in hot-dog bun but that doesn't mean I'll be buying. Clinton Portis is still the face of the Redskins and if he isn't well then the Redskins are faceless.

Don't try sell me no god damn McNabb as the face of the Skins...I won't buy that crap.[/quote]


You don't think that McNabb will tell Janky Spanky to shut the eff up if he tries his prima donna crap?

I do. McNabb is Shanny's guy. Janky Spanky is fighting for a roster spot.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;683864]The front office can sell me a loaf a shit in hot-dog bun but that doesn't mean I'll be buying. Clinton Portis is still the face of the Redskins and if he isn't well then the Redskins are faceless.

Don't try sell me no god damn McNabb as the face of the Skins...I won't buy that crap.[/quote]

C.P. really. I personally think he is a joke and quitter. I lean towards ORAKPO.

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What I find funny is a month ago, two months ago or longer people defended JC like a bee's hive. I'd say he can't read defenses, he throws behind his WR's all the time, he over throws his WR's, he fails to go through his progressions, he has terrible clock management..... and I'd be met with all this statistical BS to prove JC was not that bad and how under Shanahan he will be awsome and I didn't know what I'm talking about because the statistics showed otherwise.

We pick up McNabb and some of us point out that although McNabb had better players, system and HC his stats were not far and above JC's and thats worry some and everyone quickly throws up that "stats are not everything." I find it funny how people count the stats when it helps them and discounts stats when it hurts their arguement.

I'll be the first to say under Shanahan I'm not as worried about the OL as most of you are. I'm pretty sure he will fix the problem. I think we have enough coach's who coached WR's prior to their current gig that the position coach won't be an issue. All the position coach's are on the same page and the HC is far and above better then Zorn.

Some people have argued that Shanahan only made the SB cause he had a HOF/franchise QB in Elway, but I'll remind you that when Shanahan took over in Denver Elway was considered washed up and 34 y/o. McNabb is considered a HOF/franchise QB and is 33 y/o as Shanahan is taking over the Skins now. I'll say I hope he can work his magic again, but I'm not enamoured with this trade, I don't see McNabb as the McNabb prior to 2004 form, I'm worried about McNabb having all the tools to do a better job then what he did but didn't according to his stats or JC did far and above better with lesser talent to work with and a shitty HC/system.

I'm in no way endorsing JC. I'm glad we are trying to upgrade, I just wonder how much of an upgrade we made. The stats don't show we took a huge leap or bound to get better. If it was Payton Manning I'd say yes we did or Drew Brees I'd say yes we did. this feels like us making a lateral move with Cutler except it's McNabb instead. On top of that some of you are saying "are you crazy do you know what McNabb has done?" and I'm saying yes I do but do you know what he's done lately? Stop living in his past and look at his present and how his present will help us. He's only marginally better then JC according to his stats which means I hope Kyle Shanahan puts together one hell of a passing attack and Mike Shanahan builds one hell of a running attack and I'm proven wrong and McNabb thrives in this system and takes us to the SB. I'm just not sold on this deal as of yet. I was in "rebuild" mode. Our FO is one player away from the SB still.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;683854]Lovefest? This is practically a public riot. People think that just because we're trying to "win now" we're doing things the Vinny way. I think people had it set in their minds that we were going to be below .500 this year and now that it's clear that we're going to try to win people are uncomfortable because they immediately associate this with the old regime.

Yet at the same time people were begging for us to go O-Line first and with this trade we're practically guaranteed to get a franchise tackle, yet thats not good enough for some people, because they thought QB hungry people would accept simply drafting a Tony Pike or God forbid John Skelator. This is the compromise and it's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Franchise tackle and QB in the same year.

This is a front office that has been proactive all the while displaying prudence and patience.[B] I certainly don't agree with the Vinny comparisons though I do understand what would lead one to draw that conclusion.[/B]

And one more thing, [B]Vinny would have basically thrown the bank at Peppers, Clifton, and Dansby. Drafted Clausen then traded for Gaither. Personally I don't mind the draft strategy but going after the first three free agents mentioned would have been overkill.[/QUOTE[/B]]

You are 100% talking about me. The first quote kinda speaks volumes as to how I feel. I'm doing my best to not draw comparisons but right after we let go of the aged players not producing we picked up other aged players. slight concern. The lower cost is the only positive.

The second quote I would disagree with. He only threw the bank at AH last yr. We picked up some cheap possibly prudent FA's although we are not getting younger, then we made our biggest move for McNabb throwing away draft picks.... multiple draft picks. I'd have rather picked up "our" Rookie franchise QB for the future (going with the getting younger theme) or kept JC with slightly lesser stats, put him in this better system and made him battle for whoever should be starter. We would not have thrown away draft picks. Especially since we were short by one and used one on a defensive player last yr in the supp. draft.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683854]Lovefest? This is practically a public riot. People think that just because we're trying to "win now" we're doing things the Vinny way. I think people had it set in their minds that we were going to be below .500 this year and now that it's clear that we're going to try to win people are uncomfortable because they immediately associate this with the old regime.

Yet at the same time people were begging for us to go O-Line first and with this trade we're practically guaranteed to get a franchise tackle, yet thats not good enough for some people, because they thought QB hungry people would accept simply drafting a Tony Pike or God forbid John Skelator. This is the compromise and it's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Franchise tackle and QB in the same year.

This is a front office that has been proactive all the while displaying prudence and patience. I certainly don't agree with the Vinny comparisons though I do understand what would lead one to draw that conclusion.

And one more thing, Vinny would have basically thrown the bank at Peppers, Clifton, and Dansby. Drafted Clausen then traded for Gaither. Personally I don't mind the draft strategy but going after the first three free agents mentioned would have been overkill.[/quote]

I personally don't give a damn what Vinny would have done, he's not here. GTripp basically got called out for saying if you want to judge Shanahan and Allen on this move alone, they were idiots. If I recall correctly, the Eagles at first wanted a 1rst round pick for McNabb. Then after not getting much action, lowered that to a top 42 pick. We gave them #37 and a 3rd or 4th next year. I call that idiotic. Not only did we draft IMO, an over rated 33 year old QB with a very high 2nd this year, we're drafting a 34 year old over rated QB with our 3rd or 4th next year. [B]And one more thing[/B]. I would hardly call throwing draft picks at a 33 year old QB prudence and patience.

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[quote=SmootSmack;683857]McNabb, by the way, did not have a no trade clause in his contract with Philly[/quote]


So why did Reid say that McNabb had to agree on the team they wanted to trade with? He said this in his presser Sun. night.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=SBXVII;683871]What I find funny is a month ago, two months ago or longer people defended JC like a bee's hive. I'd say he can't read defenses, he throws behind his WR's all the time, he over throws his WR's, he fails to go through his progressions, he has terrible clock management..... and I'd be met with all this statistical BS to prove JC was not that bad and how under Shanahan he will be awsome and I didn't know what I'm talking about because the statistics showed otherwise.

We pick up McNabb and some of us point out that although McNabb had better players, system and HC his stats were not far and above JC's and thats worry some and everyone quickly throws up that "stats are not everything." I find it funny how people count the stats when it helps them and discounts stats when it hurts their arguement.

I'll be the first to say under Shanahan I'm not as worried about the OL as most of you are. I'm pretty sure he will fix the problem. I think we have enough coach's who coached WR's prior to their current gig that the position coach won't be an issue. All the position coach's are on the same page and the HC is far and above better then Zorn.

Some people have argued that Shanahan only made the SB cause he had a HOF/franchise QB in Elway, but I'll remind you that when Shanahan took over in Denver Elway was considered washed up and 34 y/o. McNabb is considered a HOF/franchise QB and is 33 y/o as Shanahan is taking over the Skins now. I'll say I hope he can work his magic again, but I'm not enamoured with this trade, I don't see McNabb as the McNabb prior to 2004 form, I'm worried about McNabb having all the tools to do a better job then what he did but didn't according to his stats or JC did far and above better with lesser talent to work with and a shitty HC/system.

I'm in no way endorsing JC. I'm glad we are trying to upgrade, I just wonder how much of an upgrade we made. The stats don't show we took a huge leap or bound to get better. If it was Payton Manning I'd say yes we did or Drew Brees I'd say yes we did. this feels like us making a lateral move with Cutler except it's McNabb instead. On top of that some of you are saying "are you crazy do you know what McNabb has done?" and I'm saying yes I do but do you know what he's done lately? Stop living in his past and look at his present and how his present will help us. He's only marginally better then JC according to his stats which means I hope Kyle Shanahan puts together one hell of a passing attack and Mike Shanahan builds one hell of a running attack and I'm proven wrong and McNabb thrives in this system and takes us to the SB. I'm just not sold on this deal as of yet. I was in "rebuild" mode. Our FO is one player away from the SB still.[/quote]

You make very valid points. I am not going to argue which is better statistically. I think that is a foolish argument. Stats can be massaged any way you want them to be.

There are two things that I am focusing on with this move. Wins and losses and the belief of the team in their QB.

The win loss records speak for themselves. McNabb is 82-45-1 and 9-7 in the playoffs.

JC is 16-20. I don't care about Zorn this, Saunders that, how many coordinators this blah blah blah. If JC was a "franchise" QB he would overcome all of it. JC is an average to above average QB statistically (win % excluded). There is nothing wrong with that for some teams but that isn't going to work for this team.

Rabach killed JC with his comments about McNabb. He wasn't trying to but his words spoke volumes. The team is ready for a new voice behind center.

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[quote=SBXVII;683876]So why did Reid say that McNabb had to agree on the team they wanted to trade with? He said this in his presser Sun. night.[/quote]

Because not many (read: none) teams would want to trade for him if McNabb refused to sign an extension.

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[quote=SBXVII;683873]

You are 100% talking about me. The first quote kinda speaks volumes as to how I feel. I'm doing my best to not draw comparisons but right after we let go of the aged players not producing we picked up other aged players. slight concern. The lower cost is the only positive.

The second quote I would disagree with. He only threw the bank at AH last yr. We picked up some cheap possibly prudent FA's although we are not getting younger, then we made our biggest move for McNabb throwing away draft picks.... multiple draft picks. I'd have rather picked up "our" Rookie franchise QB for the future (going with the getting younger theme) or kept JC with slightly lesser stats, put him in this better system and made him battle for whoever should be starter. We would not have thrown away draft picks. Especially since we were short by one and used one on a defensive player last yr in the supp. draft.[/quote]

If I touched on your views it wasn't directly. Most of the time when I make a statement like that I don't really have someone in mind. If I do have someone in mind I quote them or use the trendy @username.

[quote=53Fan;683874]I personally don't give a damn what Vinny would have done, he's not here. GTripp basically got called out for saying if you want to judge Shanahan and Allen on this move alone, they were idiots. If I recall correctly, the Eagles at first wanted a 1rst round pick for McNabb. Then after not getting much action, lowered that to a top 42 pick. We gave them #37 and a 3rd or 4th next year. I call that idiotic. Not only did we draft IMO, an over rated 33 year old QB with a very high 2nd this year, we're drafting a 34 year old over rated QB with our 3rd or 4th next year. [B]And one more thing[/B]. I would hardly call throwing draft picks at a 33 year old QB prudence and patience.[/quote]

Obviously our views on McNabb's ability differ. However what I see is a team that just went from having the worst QB in the division to having the best in the division and at the same time taking him away from a division rival.

I see a league were Kurt Warner revived his career at 36 years old and Brett Farve had his best season at 40. QB now more then ever is a mental position where while your physical skills may diminish, your ability to read and dissect defenses will be worth the trade off. And all this for a second round pick. Tell me would you have been happy if we just traded Rocky McIntosh for McNabb? I know we shouldn't give away all of our draft picks and we need to build through the draft but a second rounder for a guy like McNabb is insane if you ask me.

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[quote=SBXVII;683876]So why did Reid say that McNabb had to agree on the team they wanted to trade with? He said this in his presser Sun. night.[/quote]

McNabb refused to meet with anybody but Washington signaling that he would not sign an extension with just anybody. The other interested teams did not want to give the picks away for a one year rental of McNabb.

B Mitch said that if McNabb was traded to Oakland, he might have retired instead of playing for them.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=warpaint;683856]You guys might not want him to be the face for the team, but I bet the front office will do all they can to make him the face for the team, love it or hate it, its pretty much a done deal.

Here is a good question so is the face of the team and dont say Shanny, because there is hardly ever a coach thats a face for certain team.[/quote]

I'm not sure who the face of the team is or should be. It's kinda changed over time, we have had Lavar, Portis, Moss, and Taylor. Orakpo is not bad. If Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell can get their act together maybe them. Perhaps Cooley or Davis or both. Perhaps Fletcher? I just don't see Hall as that person yet and Rodgers keeps shooting himself in the foot running his mouth. Maybe Landry if he's not traded?

I could see either the 3 WR's or the 2 TE's. Those are my picks. To me McNabb will not be the face and I'll be pissed if the team presents him as that. Just let him play and if he does well and the team is 90% better because of him then let the fan base decide. Just don't push it on me.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=53Fan;683874]We gave them #37 and a 3rd or 4th next year. I call that idiotic. Not only did we draft IMO, an over rated 33 year old QB with a very high 2nd this year, we're drafting a 34 year old over rated QB with our 3rd or 4th next year. [B]And one more thing[/B]. I would hardly call throwing draft picks at a 33 year old QB prudence and patience.[/quote]

Interestingly enough, many Philly fans (including his most ardent detractors) think they gave away D-Mac for way too little. Funny how perspective swings with fence sides haha.

Seriously though, if we're not in the NFC East I think we don't have to throw in next year's pick. Call it a premium to get a division rival's franchise QB... this type of trade rarely happens. You've gotta remember that the Eagle's FO knows they're helping a division foe get stronger; considering division is everything, you've got to sweeten the pot a bit. I think we came out just fine.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683879]



[B]Obviously our views on McNabb's ability differ[/B]. However what I see is a team that just went from having the worst QB in the division to having the best in the division and at the same time taking him away from a division rival.

I see a league were Kurt Warner revived his career at 36 years old and Brett Farve had his best season at 40. QB now more then ever is a mental position where while your physical skills may diminish, your ability to read and dissect defenses will be worth the trade off. And all this for a second round pick. Tell me would you have been happy if we just traded Rocky McIntosh for McNabb? I know we shouldn't give away all of our draft picks and we need to build through the draft but a second rounder for a guy like McNabb is insane if you ask me.[/quote]

There is no doubt about that Dirtbag. Kurt Warner was the QB for the "Greatest Show on Turf." He QBed three teams to SB's and won 1. He is an amazing story. Has Brett Favre EVER missed a game because of injury? He also led 3 teams to SB's and won 1. I don't put McNabb in that category. And unfortunately we didn't just trade a 2nd rounder for him even though that seemed to be all they were asking, we also threw in a 3rd or 4th next year. It's funny how we talk about how important it is to keep our picks...until we decide it isn't.

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[quote=itvnetop;683883][B]Interestingly enough, many Philly fans (including his most ardent detractors) think they gave away D-Mac for way too little. [/B]Funny how perspective swings with fence sides haha.

Seriously though, if we're not in the NFC East I think we don't have to throw in next year's pick. Call it a premium to get a division rival's franchise QB... this type of trade rarely happens. You've gotta remember that the Eagle's FO knows they're helping a division foe get stronger; considering division is everything, you've got to sweeten the pot a bit. I think we came out just fine.[/quote]

It's even funnier a day earlier cause most Eagle fans were happy about the trade and said they would have taken less just to get rid of McNabb. some even offered to back the truck up and move his ass. LOL.

It sounded today like half the fans would have taken anything and were no longer happy with him, and the other half just can't see McNabb in a Skins uni. I didn't hear any of them saying "we should have gotten more for him."

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[quote=itvnetop;683883]Interestingly enough, many Philly fans (including his most ardent detractors) think they gave away D-Mac for way too little. Funny how perspective swings with fence sides haha.

Seriously though, if we're not in the NFC East I think we don't have to throw in next year's pick. Call it a premium to get a division rival's franchise QB... this type of trade rarely happens. You've gotta remember that the Eagle's FO knows they're helping a division foe get stronger; considering division is everything, you've got to sweeten the pot a bit. I think we came out just fine.[/quote]

Some of us are putting a pretty high value on JC. That's what fans do. Philly was in a bind with McNabb deciding he wouldn't sign with certain teams. I don't think next years picks were necessary.

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[quote=SBXVII;683882]I'm not sure who the face of the team is or should be. It's kinda changed over time, we have had Lavar, Portis, Moss, and Taylor. Orakpo is not bad. If Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell can get their act together maybe them. Perhaps Cooley or Davis or both. Perhaps Fletcher? I just don't see Hall as that person yet and Rodgers keeps shooting himself in the foot running his mouth. Maybe Landry if he's not traded?

I could see either the 3 WR's or the 2 TE's. Those are my picks. To me McNabb will not be the face and I'll be pissed if the team presents him as that. Just let him play and if he does well and the team is 90% better because of him then let the fan base decide. Just don't push it on me.[/quote]

I'm not trying to push anything, McNabb is not who I want as our poster boy.It's a shame we've got [B][U]THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR MAN[/U][/B] and noone has even consider throwing his name in the ring as the face for the team.

Cooley, Moss, Orakpo, maybe Flether they are the only ones I can give my seal of approval on.

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[quote=53Fan;683887]Some of us are putting a pretty high value on JC. That's what fans do. Philly was in a bind with McNabb deciding he wouldn't sign with certain teams. I don't think next years picks were necessary.[/quote]

Thats something we can agree with. Lol, I saw the Bills message board and someone thought we would trade JC for a 5th round pick and a 32 year old linebacker that didn't even play last year.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683889]Thats something we can agree with. Lol, I saw the Bills message board and someone thought we would trade JC for a 5th round pick [B]and a 32 year old linebacker that didn't even play last year[/B].[/quote]

Geez...:doh: Wait a minute...was it Marcus? ;)

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[QUOTE=53Fan;683887]Some of us are putting a pretty high value on JC. That's what fans do. Philly was in a bind with McNabb deciding he wouldn't sign with certain teams. [B]I don't think next years picks were necessary.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Hell we might have a strike next year so it might not make a diffrence. I dont want a strike but what does a strike do for next years draft(honest question)?

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[quote=warpaint;683892][QUOTE=53Fan;683887]Some of us are putting a pretty high value on JC. That's what fans do. Philly was in a bind with McNabb deciding he wouldn't sign with certain teams. [B]I don't think next years picks were necessary.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Hell we might have a strike next year so it might not make a diffrence. I dont want a strike but [B]what does a strike do for next years draft[/B](honest question)?[/quote]

That's a good question. I honestly don't know right now but there are members who are very well versed in that sort of thing. I'm not one of them. :)

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[quote=53Fan;683891]Geez...:doh: Wait a minute...was it Marcus? ;)[/quote]

Josh Stamer? [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/joshstamer/profile?id=STA317301]Josh Stamer[/url]

He looks like a hockey player. Probably a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinder_(ice_hockey)"]grinder[/URL].

Edit: Never mind, he had 3 whole tackles last year.

Look I don't even mind the 5th round offer, it's very possible that might be the highest we can get, but don't act like you're sweetening the deal by adding a random player that wouldn't make it past training camp.

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[quote=SBXVII;683886]

It sounded today like half the fans would have taken anything and were no longer happy with him, and the other half just can't see McNabb in a Skins uni. I didn't hear any of them saying "we should have gotten more for him."[/quote]

Hmmm... I just took a look at a few forums today and I heard plenty of Eagles fans saying exactly that. My Eagles' buddy thinks we absolutely stole him.

[URL="http://www.wingheads.com/index.php?showtopic=51960"]Wingheads[/URL]

If you read the entire thread, there's a few guys chiming in on the value they received- I didn't see one believing they got the better end of the deal (just a few anxious to see Kolb).

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I agree, this is a good trade, D-Mac should have at least 3 good years left, and he is a proven winner who will command Respect both on the field and off. Donovan is the new Face of the Franchise, and biggest sports star in DC. Shanahan will build the offense to McNabb's strengths, and surround him with experienced veterans. Big Mike is going for a Championship or two within the next 3 years. Then he will turn the team over to Kyle and re-start the building process. In my opinion, that is.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Lotus;683788]Part of me keeps waiting for the news report which announces that this was all a joke. That DMac is our QB, a face of our franchise, is still too surreal to embrace. I have a well-practiced habit of rooting for him to fumble or throw a pick every time that he touches the ball. This will take time to sink in.

[B]At least it wasn't Romo.[/B][/quote]
I hear what you are saying, BUT, just think of the epileptic reaction of Cowboys fans. That actually made me smile :)

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;683832]McNabb is not and will never be the face of the Redskins. He may play for the Skins but he will always be the face of the Eagles.[/quote]

So if he wins 2 SB's here, does he go into the HOF as an Eagle, who's fans booed him, and would hate him after he beats them in the NFC Championship game, or as a Redskin, whose fans cheered him on as he led us to our 4th and 5th Lombardi trophies.

Ah, the morning glow is starting to shine!

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;683869]You don't think that McNabb will tell Janky Spanky to shut the eff up if he tries his prima donna crap?

I do. McNabb is Shanny's guy. Janky Spanky is fighting for a roster spot.[/quote]

Well, this reminds me of TO/McNabb:The Locker Room Saga. Let's hope Shanahan reins in CP before it ever gets to this point.

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[quote=53Fan;683884]There is no doubt about that Dirtbag. Kurt Warner was the QB for the "Greatest Show on Turf." He QBed three teams to SB's and won 1. He is an amazing story. Has Brett Favre EVER missed a game because of injury? He also led 3 teams to SB's and won 1. I don't put McNabb in that category. And unfortunately we didn't just trade a 2nd rounder for him even though that seemed to be all they were asking, we also threw in a 3rd or 4th next year.[B] It's funny how we talk about how important it is to keep our picks...until we decide it isn't.[/B][/quote]
Exactly! This whole post is dead on. (Until McNabb wins us 3 SB's)

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

The more this sinks in the more excited I'm getting about McNabb. Seeing the video of him arriving at Dulles yesterday I think it finally started to hit me, McNabb is our QB!

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

Mcnabb is a notoriously streaky passer, I'm not convinced a more run-oriented offence will suit him at all.