Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

If you honestly felt that we were one chess piece away from having a super bowl contender, then I would maybe consider picking up TO.

The problem is we are SOOO far away from being a contender at this point, why bother with an over the hill attitude problem like TO. If you look at our current receivers, there is a lot of young up-and-coming talent there in Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly. Receiver is not our biggest issue IMO, and wasting the time and energy in managing a known locker room cancer like TO is the LAST thing this team needs to distract it.

Boswell said it well in his piece from the Post yesterday, the skins finally have a qb that will allow them to evaluate their receiver talent. We'll know quickly if we have play-makers or bums when #5 tattoo's their chest 30 yards down field. At least wait for a couple of mini-camps to let the coaching staff make their evaluations before going him.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

Ive been pulling for the Skins to go after T.O. or Brandon Marshall since our season ended. ONE MORE STUD WR and some additions to our O-line and our offense is SET.

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[quote=saden1;685595]Nah...TO here means less playing time for our young WRs. I want to see what DT can do.[/quote]


Yeah, but at the same time we still need depth at the WR position. We still need to fill Randel Els spot. The NFL season is long for the players that participate in. Plus, having TO (or any other stud WR) will force teams to focus on them and open up more opportunities for our up in coming WRs. Let them get some big passes, make plays, get their swagger up. DT and MK will be seeing significant playing time regardless.

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[quote=REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE;685693]Yeah, but at the same time we still need depth at the WR position. We still need to fill Randel Els spot. The NFL season is long for the players that participate in. Plus, having TO (or any other stud WR) will force teams to focus on them and open up more opportunities for our up in coming WRs. DT and MK will be seeing significant playing time regardless.[/quote]

Combined with our RB's, Running game or Play Action Pass would be ridiculous!!!

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Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?

Isn't that what a gentlemen is supposed to do for a lady?

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=Mc2guy;685685]If you honestly felt that we were one chess piece away from having a super bowl contender, then I would maybe consider picking up TO.

The problem is we are SOOO far away from being a contender at this point, why bother with an over the hill attitude problem like TO. If you look at our current receivers, there is a lot of young up-and-coming talent there in Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly. Receiver is not our biggest issue IMO, and wasting the time and energy in managing a known locker room cancer like TO is the LAST thing this team needs to distract it.

Boswell said it well in his piece from the Post yesterday, the skins finally have a qb that will allow them to evaluate their receiver talent. We'll know quickly if we have play-makers or bums when #5 tattoo's their chest 30 yards down field. At least wait for a couple of mini-camps to let the coaching staff make their evaluations before going him.[/quote]

LOL, OMG. I tell people we are way off from a SB and need to rebuild and I'm met with ..."no, Allen and Shanahan think we are contenders" "we don't need a Rookie QB cause they are going to try and make a run at it."

I decide to buy into the "hey we are one player away" attitude again since thats the Skins motto and I see "no, we are way too far away from being SB contenders." LOL.

Our oppinions are so far away from each other. It's funny.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;685700]Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?

Isn't that what a gentlemen is supposed to do for a lady?[/quote]


Ba doom tish. ;)

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=Mc2guy;685685]If you honestly felt that we were one chess piece away from having a super bowl contender, then I would maybe consider picking up TO.

The problem is we are SOOO far away from being a contender at this point, why bother with an over the hill attitude problem like TO. If you look at our current receivers, there is a lot of young up-and-coming talent there in Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly. Receiver is not our biggest issue IMO, and wasting the time and energy in managing a known locker room cancer like TO is the LAST thing this team needs to distract it.

Boswell said it well in his piece from the Post yesterday, the skins finally have a qb that will allow them to evaluate their receiver talent. We'll know quickly if we have play-makers or bums when #5 tattoo's their chest 30 yards down field. At least wait for a couple of mini-camps to let the coaching staff make their evaluations before going him.[/quote]

Valid points.

TO at this point is a hired gun. I too would rather not see a 36 year old WR taking snaps away from our younger guys.

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[quote=SBXVII;685703]LOL, OMG. I tell people we are way off from a SB and need to rebuild and I'm met with ..."no, Allen and Shanahan think we are contenders" "we don't need a Rookie QB cause they are going to try and make a run at it."

I decide to buy into the "hey we are one player away" attitude again since thats the Skins motto and I see "no, we are way too far away from being SB contenders." LOL.

Our oppinions are so far away from each other. It's funny.[/quote]

LOL... how true! But here is the truth.
"[B]IF[/B]", we were "1" player away from winning the SB, WE WOULD BE IN THE SUPERBOWL!

Most teams that compete in the SB are more than "1" away from the SB. The diff. is they play as "1" UNIT

1 UNIT > 1 PLAYER

LOL...

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);685672]I don't know if I should respond to this thread. If people think T.O. will be the best receiver ever, there's nothing i can do.
[/quote]

Jesus you're so reactionary. In this short time you've thrown more fits than my last psycho ex. Chill out brotato.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=jdc65;685616]I don't see it, but if for some strange reason that McNabb went to Shanahan and asked him to get T.O., then ok, go get him. I cannot see that happening however.[/quote]

One would think Shanahan would consult with McNabb before any consideration would be given to bringing TO here, knowing the trension that has existed between the two in the past. I agree with you though, I just don't see it happening.......but, stranger things have happened.

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T.O has been declining since 2008.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;685821]T.O has been declining since 2008.[/quote]

Really, How?

2009 Rec-55 ***Yds-829 ****Avg-15.1 ***Lng-98 ***1st 33 w/55 Rec
2008 Rec-69 ***Yds-1052 ***Avg-15.2 ***Lng-75 ***1st 38 w/69 Rec

If he's not getting the ball in 2009 as often as he was in 2008, his stats will reflect that.

Note: His avg/yd. has stayed the same. His rate of 1st has increased if you take in account the Rec.

Statistically he has stayed the same.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/careerstats?id=OWE755129]Terrell Owens: Career Stats[/url]

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[quote=44ever;685857]Really, How?

2009 Rec-55 ***Yds-829 ****Avg-15.1 ***Lng-98 ***1st 33 w/55 Rec
2008 Rec-69 ***Yds-1052 ***Avg-15.2 ***Lng-75 ***1st 38 w/69 Rec

If he's not getting the ball in 2009 as often as he was in 2008, his stats will reflect that.

Note: His avg/yd. has stayed the same. His rate of 1st has increased if you take in account the Rec.

Statistically he has stayed the same.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/careerstats?id=OWE755129]Terrell Owens: Career Stats[/url][/quote]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2007]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2008]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2009]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]

You'll see a large decrease in 100+yd games and an increase in games with 70 or less yds a game.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;685859][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2007"]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2008"]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2009"]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/URL]

You'll see a large decrease in 100+yd games and an increase in games with 70 or less yds a game.[/quote]
compare the guys throwing to him and the teams that he was on...

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;685865]compare the guys throwing to him and the teams that he was on...[/quote]I did with the 2008 season. His yards per game were 65.3 WITH Romo AND the number of first downs he had went WAY down..

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;685859][url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2007]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2008]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2009]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]

You'll see a large decrease in 100+yd games and an increase in games with 70 or less yds a game.[/quote]

I see what your saying but, it's still the rec. thats kill'n him.

Look at game 11 in 2009. He had 9 rec. for 197 yrds. Besides that game his highest total rec. was not more than 5 rec. and much less than that in most games. In fact he had 10 games with fewer than 4 rec.

I guess it comes down to personal perspective. But I would be willing to bet that a Mcnabb/T.O. combo would produce HUGE Stats.

Question is, Like Matty stated earlier, "would Mcnabb want to go down that road again?"

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;685869]I did with the 2008 season. His yards per game were 65.3 WITH Romo AND the number of first downs he had went WAY down..[/quote]
Alright now look at who else Romo was throwing balls to

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

With TO it's not so much about his production levels either up or down,rather more about the distraction he is. His abilities cannot be disputed, who left in the league want to deal with the drama he brings?

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;685878]Alright now look at who else Romo was throwing balls to[/quote]

Please tell me you didn't forget about Jason Witten...

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;685884]Please tell me you didn't forget about Jason Witten...[/quote]
My fault, thought that you were saying 2008 was part of his big decline.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;685882]With TO it's not so much about his production levels either up or down,rather more about the distraction he is. His abilities cannot be disputed, who left in the league want to deal with the drama he brings?[/quote]

Thats what makes him so intriguing. He a 2 edged sword.
You want him on your team because you know what he can bring.
You don't want him on your team because you know what he can bring.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;685730]Jesus you're so reactionary. In this short time you've thrown more fits than my last psycho ex. Chill out brotato.[/quote]

Can we start a new thread about the new topic word "brotato"? That is my new favorite word.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=SkinzWin;685895]Can we start a new thread about the new topic word "brotato"? That is my new favorite word.[/quote]
No problem brobrocop, just in the parking lot

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[quote=Mcnabb;685661]Trade Kelly, and swap 1sts for Marshall, Sign T.O..........Draft Okung and Our offense is top 10 if all goes well. I think we would have a powerhouse offense and a great defense like we usually do![/quote]

if we swap first rounders for marshall how do you plan on drafting Okung?

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;685888]My fault, thought that you were saying 2008 was part of his big decline.[/quote]
Yes I was. He had a few games in a row with under 40 yards and then he busts out 213 yards against a San Francisco team that gave him a free release throughout the whole game because Singletary believed they could stop him for whatever reason and 100+ yards that blowout LOSS to Philly.

Shawn Springs basically handed folks the gameplan to limit him that year and beyond. Jam him at the line and he isn't going to always beat it anymore.

He also had averaged 73+ yards a game or more every season from 2000 to 2007, sometimes much more. The 65.3 in 2008 is a significant decline.

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i don't think it'd work out. remember, romo his his quarterback. cry.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;685900]Yes I was. He had a few games in a row with under 40 yards and then he busts out 213 yards against a San Francisco team that gave him a free release throughout the whole game because Singletary believed they could stop him for whatever reason and 100+ yards that blowout LOSS to Philly.

Shawn Springs basically handed folks the gameplan to limit him that year and beyond. Jam him at the line and he isn't going to always beat it anymore.

He also had averaged 73+ yards a game or more every season from 2000 to 2007, sometimes much more. The 65.3 in 2008 is a significant decline.[/quote]

Yeah and that 73.x season was his first in Dallas.. guess he fell off.. then came back.. is falling off again

things change year to year man, you can find shit like that for any receiver in the league pretty much

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I would take him if:
-he gets a one strike keep your mouth shut rule
-he comes with a roll of duct tape to shut him up
-shannahan truly believes he still has something left in him
If not, absolutely NO.

Re: Did Mcnabb open the door for TO?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;685919]Yeah and that 73.x season was his first in Dallas.. guess he fell off.. then came back.. is falling off again

things change year to year man, you can find shit like that for any receiver in the league pretty much[/quote]
Drew Bledsoe was the starter up until game 7 and he had only two sub 40 games. Romo was there for 14 games in 2008 and he still posted multiple sub-40 yd games.

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Well, if its an arguement about T.O., here is my view -

He is heads and shoulders better than any receiver on this roster, bar none.
We can get him for 0 players, and for 0 draft pix, and would instantly give us a top tier wideout and a nice weapon to pair up with Thomas and Cooley. If we get the Tackles taken care of, I can see us becoming the Philly of a couple years back. Great team, but no premium wideouts to toss the rock to. (I dunno about 6 mil a year tho, slim that down to 3 1/2 - 4)
He Still can produce, and is a freakish physical specimen. 3 year deal wouldn't be unheard of, with plenty of stipulations and stock full of unguaranteed $$$ based on perforance on and off the field.

I think he wants to destroy the stigma he has given himself. He is nearing the end of his career, and wants to be remembered as a great wide out, and possibly a champion. If there is any ex cowboy i'd sign, it would be T.O. With Donovans blessing. If he thinks it will be a bad situation, then pass.

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No way in hell do we bring Owens in. I don't care if McNabb & Owens are playing pick-up B-ball on Pros vs. Joes or not.

Does anyone remember this:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2315565]McNabb: T.O. situation was about money, power - NFL - ESPN[/url]

This is some very deep stuff, stuff that doesn't go away. No way I even consider bringing Owens here and digging up all this garbage. This is the absolute last thing needed in DC.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;685859][url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2007]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2008]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2009]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/url]

You'll see a large decrease in 100+yd games and an increase in games with 70 or less yds a game.[/quote]

Ya, and he had WHO throwing to him????? Trent Edwards and Brian Brohm??

He produced just fine despite having the WORST starting QB in all of football. The guy is still top 15 in the league, maybe still top 10.

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[quote=Mechanix544;685976]Ya, and he had WHO throwing to him????? Trent Edwards and Brian Brohm??

He produced just fine despite having the WORST starting QB in all of football. The guy is still top 15 in the league, maybe still top 10.[/quote]

Dude, Bohm is with the Packers. Fitzpatrick is the dude you're talking about and Russell and Anderson are FAR, FAR worse.
And I still remember 2008 and how at least some folks were jabbing at his inability to break being jammed at the line of scrimmage. It used to be he was double-teamed and it didn't matter. Suddenly, he became just a little more stoppable.

And TO is ALWAYS a model teammate year 1. It's year two or three when the blowups occur.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;685998]Dude, Bohm is with the Packers. Fitzpatrick is the dude you're talking about and Russell and Anderson are FAR, FAR worse.
And I still remember 2008 and how at least some folks were jabbing at his inability to break being jammed at the line of scrimmage. It used to be he was double-teamed and it didn't matter. Suddenly, he became just a little more stoppable.

And TO is ALWAYS a model teammate year 1. It's year two or three when the blowups occur.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/brianbrohm/profile?id=BRO095850]Brian Brohm[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;685999][url=http://www.nfl.com/players/brianbrohm/profile?id=BRO095850]Brian Brohm[/url][/quote]

Ok, I retract that then. Still, it was only 1 game and part of another.

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[quote=tryfuhl;685730][B]Jesus[/B] you're so reactionary. In this short time you've thrown more fits than my last psycho ex. Chill out brotato.[/quote]

How did you know his first name and how did you know he's Latino?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;685859][URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2007"]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2008"]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/gamelogs?id=OWE755129&season=2009"]Terrell Owens: Game Logs[/URL]

You'll see a large decrease in 100+yd games and an increase in games with 70 or less yds a game.[/quote]

I'm guessing this has nothing to do with the fact that his QB's throwing the ball to him has gotten worse over time also?

McNabb > Romo
Romo > Whoever is in Buffalo

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[quote=SBXVII;686075]I'm guessing this has nothing to do with the fact that his QB's throwing the ball to him has gotten worse over time also?

McNabb > Romo
Romo > Whoever is in Buffalo[/quote]
Or maybe when you're supposed keep up your past production, you don't post that many multiple sub-40 yd games and post only 2 100+ yd games, one which was a freebie from a coach who thought his lame gameplan would work, with your starting QB(Romo) available for 14 games?

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[quote=SBXVII;685703]LOL, OMG. I tell people we are way off from a SB and need to rebuild and I'm met with ..."no, Allen and Shanahan think we are contenders" "we don't need a Rookie QB cause they are going to try and make a run at it."

I decide to buy into the "hey we are one player away" attitude again since thats the Skins motto and I see "no, we are way too far away from being SB contenders." LOL.

Our oppinions are so far away from each other. It's funny.[/quote]

Yeah, but the truth is, you never know. The Cardinals came out of no where and damner won the Superbowl. Same for the Saints. Those teams came out of no where.

People saying we are so far away, but this is not the 2009 Skins. This is a new squad. We now have an OFFICIAL coach. Totally new coaching staff. We now have an OFFICIAL QB. That is HUGE.....

Most of the time, we were losing because of the coaching and QB. Not to mention that garbage ass oline. And we are about to start getting this oline tighted up soon. Not saying that the oline is going to be #1 in the league, but I have a feeling our oline is going to be significantly better this year after we are all said done acquiring talent.

We have two new backs, and people can talk about how old they are or whatever, but I think it is safe to say that LJ, WP and CP (if he is here) will be light years better then what we had for the last few seasons (if not further back).

Im not trying to serve kool aid, but you also have to remember that we didnt exactly get blown out every game that we lost last year neither. Our biggest problem last year was our oline and offense in general. And we are significantly addressing those areas right now.

The funny thing is that our defense held it down for us for the most part last year. They werent perfect, but they always kept us in the game. Our offense was just so horrible, they couldnt single handedly win the games. And now we are trying to f--- that up by partially converting to the 3-4. We should leave it alone. Add some aggressiveness to the playcalling, get some LBs so Orakpo can can move to the DE position for good. Throw him in at LB from time to time so confuse the offense a little bit. Thats it, we dont need to give the defense a complete face lift.