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What's with all the Trent Williams talk all of a sudden? If we're talking about picking him because of a trade down out of the #4 spot, then OK. But if we're talking about picking him over Okung at #4, then NO WAY! Okung is clearly the better player - in any system.

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Trent Williams has played both RT and LT. So yeah, Okung might be the best LT prospect, but a guy like Trent Williams could slide over to RT while we plug in another vet at LT.

And for what it's worth, there's not a lot of space between the top five prospects at tackle, in my opinion. I've seen a few draft boards with Trent Williams as the top tackle in the draft, although the overwhelming consensus is that Okung is the better of the two. But not by much.

As far as Hicks is concerned, I'm not really sold on him. It would be nice to see Chad R. just kick some ass in camp this year and lock down the right guard position.

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Wouldn't it be something if the Skins traded down and ended up with both Trent Williams and Bruce Campbell from Maryland.

Two rookie tackles - how you like them apples!!

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[quote=12thMan;689437]Wouldn't it be something if the Skins traded down and ended up with both Trent Williams and Bruce Campbell from Maryland.

Two rookie tackles - how you like them apples!![/quote]

If one of them apples is Bruce Campbell I think I'd end up with a tummy ache. He's got workout warrior bust written ALL over him.

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[quote=Paintrain;689438]If one of them apples is Bruce Campbell I think I'd end up with a tummy ache. He's got workout warrior bust written ALL over him.[/quote]

Huh, you're not a fan:( I think he's worth taking in the second tho.

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LT-Okung, LG-Dockery, C-Rabach, RG-Williams, RT-Capers

I like Capers; think he fits schematically, and I hope we get him in the 4th.
He wouldn't be the starter when the season begins, but I think he could take over before it ends.

Next year draft a Guard and a Center in the first 4 rounds, and we have a great start on fixing this O-line for the next decade.

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Yep, I agree with Okung, Dockery, Rabach, M. Williams, and Heyer. Flozell Adams is okay, too. I think maybe Rabach might be losing some abilities, but have nothing to base this on except for the barrage of d-linemen surging up the middle last year. That might not be entirely Rabach's fault.

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[quote=backrow;689285]Not Heyer.

This new Coach and FO will see just what he never was.

And the NFL Draft will turn up some starter(s) and some back-ups.

UDFAs will help our depth.

But not Heyer. NoNoNoNoNoNoNo![/quote]

Look. I know you think you are an expert at evaluating talent. But quite frankly you probably have ZERO idea what Shanny is planning. You probably have no idea that Heyer is working his butt off in the weight room, watching film, and with the new strength coach. I believe Mike Shanahan may be able to make a pretty good decision or 2 after he get Stephen to camp. Let's not pre judge anybody base upon Zorns obvious lack of offensive plays and Campbells obvious lack of being able to get rid of the ball. I trust Shanny and some of you guys just need to take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy the experts who are now in charge.

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Heaven forbid backrow should express his opinion on a message board

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internetcareer:

You seem to like lambasting people on this site who offer their opinions. Pretty much everyone here follows the Skins closer than the average fan in my opinion, and even if you disagree, there really is no reason to say anything more than your thoughts. case in point, with backrow's comment, i doubt you know who he is and what he does and does not know(i certainly don't), so you could simply quote his post, and respond giving your thoughts and opinions without sarcasm or demeaning his knowledge. Several people on this site absolutely are experts at evaluating talent(not me), and nearly one hundred percent of us are going to wait and see, and trust MS' abilities. That doesn't mean we aren't going to offer thoughts and opinions when something stands out as a questionable action, or something that we strongly believe. Bottom line, seems like you are the one who needs to take the chill pill, offer your thoughts, and let others do the same, after all we all want the Skins to go 19-0 next year.

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[quote=internetcareer;689531]Look. I know you think you are an expert at evaluating talent. But quite frankly you probably have ZERO idea what Shanny is planning. You probably have no idea that Heyer is working his butt off in the weight room, watching film, and with the new strength coach. I believe Mike Shanahan may be able to make a pretty good decision or 2 after he get Stephen to camp. Let's not pre judge anybody base upon Zorns obvious lack of offensive plays and Campbells obvious lack of being able to get rid of the ball. I trust Shanny and some of you guys just need to take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy the experts who are now in charge.[/quote]

Heyer? Is that you?

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[quote=internetcareer;689531]Look. I know you think you are an expert at evaluating talent. But quite frankly you probably have ZERO idea what Shanny is planning. You probably have no idea that Heyer is working his butt off in the weight room, watching film, and with the new strength coach. I believe Mike Shanahan may be able to make a pretty good decision or 2 after he get Stephen to camp. [B]Let's not pre judge anybody base upon Zorns obvious lack of offensive plays and Campbells obvious lack of being able to get rid of the ball.[/B] I trust Shanny and some of you guys just need to take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy the experts who are now in charge.[/quote]

I am a strong believer in the fact that Zorn really messed up our line play by constantly swapping out players and moving them around. Having said that, Heyer's lack of ability on our left side was really self evident in many games. You can talk about Campbell failing to get rid of the ball, but when Heyer was on the left side, it was like a free pass to top defensive ends for pressuring/hitting/sacking the qb. He was slightly better on the right side, and I hope that we can get something productive from him, but I don't think it ever was a question of working out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689548]internetcareer:

You seem to like lambasting people on this site who offer their opinions. Pretty much everyone here follows the Skins closer than the average fan in my opinion, and even if you disagree, there really is no reason to say anything more than your thoughts. case in point, with backrow's comment, i doubt you know who he is and what he does and does not know(i certainly don't), so you could simply quote his post, and respond giving your thoughts and opinions without sarcasm or demeaning his knowledge. Several people on this site absolutely are experts at evaluating talent(not me), and nearly one hundred percent of us are going to wait and see, and trust MS' abilities. That doesn't mean we aren't going to offer thoughts and opinions when something stands out as a questionable action, or something that we strongly believe. Bottom line, seems like you are the one who needs to take the chill pill, offer your thoughts, and let others do the same, after all we all want the Skins to go 19-0 next year.[/quote]
I am pretty sure Shanny is shaking in his boots at the prospect of Heyer starting, but what else can he say right now. He may not have a choice, so why not fill the kids head with bs.

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[quote=internetcareer;689531]Look. I know you think you are an expert at evaluating talent. But quite frankly you probably have ZERO idea what Shanny is planning. You probably have no idea that Heyer is working his butt off in the weight room, watching film, and with the new strength coach. I believe Mike Shanahan may be able to make a pretty good decision or 2 after he get Stephen to camp. Let's not pre judge anybody base upon Zorns obvious lack of offensive plays and Campbells obvious lack of being able to get rid of the ball. I trust Shanny and some of you guys just need to take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy the experts who are now in charge.[/quote]

Thank goodness we have an expert on board to keep us yahoo's straight on the facts. I think we should all sit quietly so we don't embarrass ourselves and just try to soak in his vast knowledge. Uhmmmm.......uhmmmmm...

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Okung vs Williams/OSU vs OU on ESPNU.

Edit: Williams is playing RT in this game as it's from 2008.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;689385]Okung, Dockery, Rabach, Rinehart, Hicks

I think we'll see a line that is a little more athletic than in the past. Having M.Williams and Flozell Adams on the right side would make for one glacially slow and ponderous tandem.[/quote]
i like this scenario. but i would rather have Ed Williams in the middle, because i think Rabach skills are fading fast

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[quote=internetcareer;689531]Look. I know you think you are an expert at evaluating talent. But quite frankly you probably have ZERO idea what Shanny is planning. You probably have no idea that Heyer is working his butt off in the weight room, watching film, and with the new strength coach. I believe Mike Shanahan may be able to make a pretty good decision or 2 after he get Stephen to camp. Let's not pre judge anybody base upon Zorns obvious lack of offensive plays and Campbells obvious lack of being able to get rid of the ball. I trust Shanny and some of you guys just need to take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy the experts who are now in charge.[/quote]

You do know that this is a opinion based message board right??

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But I'll go with Okung, Dockery, Rabach, M. Williams, Colon

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The Colon rumors are fading fast by the way. Not sure anything is going to happen there. Brown (and to a lesser extent Bushrod) are very much in play still though

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[quote=SmootSmack;689613]The Colon rumors are fading fast by the way. Not sure anything is going to happen there. Brown (and to a lesser extent Bushrod) are very much in play still though[/quote]

Maybe the 38 cocktails consumed by him and Big Ben on the night of the alleged assault might have something to do with it and raises a red flag?

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LT-Okung

LG-Dockery

C-Rabach

RG-Hicks

RT-Heyer

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We're in trble if this is a true statement: Kyle Shanahan on current o-line: "We can definitely compete w/ what we have." (via @dcsportsbog)
imeancomeonjoe‎ - Twitter - 5 minutes ago

RT @granthpaulsen: Kyle Shanahan on current o-line: "We can definitely compete with what we have... No doubt, we can compete with our te ...
ahr19‎ - Twitter - 6 minutes ago

Have heard that before RT @redskinsblog: Kyle Shanahan professes complete confidence in the #redskins offensive line. Media seems skeptical.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;689659]We're in trble if this is a true statement: Kyle Shanahan on current o-line: "We can definitely compete w/ what we have." (via @dcsportsbog)
imeancomeonjoe‎ - Twitter - 5 minutes ago

RT @granthpaulsen: Kyle Shanahan on current o-line: "We can definitely compete with what we have... No doubt, we can compete with our te ...
ahr19‎ - Twitter - 6 minutes ago

Have heard that before RT @redskinsblog: Kyle Shanahan professes complete confidence in the #redskins offensive line. Media seems skeptical.[/quote]
Were are not in trouble, we finaly have a QB and we have the forth pick in the draft. We are going to trade McIntosh and Montgomery for Carriker, and we will have a LT, that will start after the draft. Our new front office has already pulled off a miracle with McNabb. We are already a contender. Give them time.

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There's a church of McNabb now?

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[quote=GTripp0012;689662]There's a church of McNabb now?[/quote]

Just the type of statement I'd expect from a heretic.

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Ok, here is the night mare line I heard they played with.
LT-Heyer
LG-Dockery
C-Rabach
RG-Williams
RT-Hicks

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[quote=GTripp0012;689662]There's a church of McNabb now?[/quote]

McNabb will do better, or at least as well here then in Philly because they didn't draft offensive linemen, there was no stability with the coaching staff, their defense never got turnovers, he was constantly changing offensive systems, his RB was constantly throwing his team mates under the bus and was a prima donna who refused to practice, the GM was deciding who played, the HC had no real power, a former bingo caller was calling the plays........oh wait, that was JC.......nevermind.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;689678]Ok, here is the night mare line I heard they played with.
LT-Heyer
LG-Dockery
C-Rabach
RG-Williams
RT-Hicks[/quote]

So basically Heyer is subbing for who ever we get in the draft and the starting line is Draft Pick, Dockery, Rabach, Williams, Hicks.

The middle really seems ok/average to me, how they approach the tackle positions will determine how our line performs.

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[quote=30gut;689627]LT-Okung

LG-Dockery

C-Rabach

RG-Hicks

RT-Heyer[/quote]That's a damn good call :)

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[quote=internetcareer;689531]Look. I know you think you are an expert at evaluating talent. But quite frankly you probably have ZERO idea what Shanny is planning. You probably have no idea that Heyer is working his butt off in the weight room, watching film, and with the new strength coach. I believe Mike Shanahan may be able to make a pretty good decision or 2 after he get [B]Stephen[/B] to camp. Let's not pre judge anybody base upon Zorns obvious lack of offensive plays and Campbells obvious lack of being able to get rid of the ball. I trust Shanny and some of you guys just need to take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy the experts who are now in charge.[/quote]Since you want to call backrow out for his opinion of Heyer, and you appear to have detailed knowledge of his progress (sarcasm)....could you at least spell his first name correctly, Stephon.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689685]So basically Heyer is subbing for who ever we get in the draft and the starting line is Draft Pick, Dockery, Rabach, Williams, Hicks.

The middle really seems ok/average to me, how they approach the tackle positions will determine how our line performs.[/quote]My thoughts on the right side of this line are as follows (assuming it is, in fact, plan A):

It's really fortunate that we play the AFC South and NFC North this year (plus TB and STL), as those divisions are rare bastions of the 4-3 defense (exception: Green Bay). Our best chance of stopping pressure-happy 3-4 coordinators is to hope that they are confused as to whether they should focus on exploiting the weaknesses of our RG or our RT.

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[quote=53Fan;689681]McNabb will do better, or at least as well here then in Philly because they didn't draft offensive linemen, there was no stability with the coaching staff, their defense never got turnovers, he was constantly changing offensive systems, his RB was constantly throwing his team mates under the bus and was a prima donna who refused to practice, the GM was deciding who played, the HC had no real power, a former bingo caller was calling the plays........oh wait, that was JC.......nevermind.[/quote]
Quarterbacks keep coaches working if they are good. JC made Al Saunders look bad, who was one of the best offensive coordinators out there. He kept making offensive guys look bad till they finally realized it was him.

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I keep missing the part where Al Saunders has actually had a successful post-Redskins career. Although, so many people reference his greatness that he must have done something since then, right?

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[quote=GTripp0012;689741]I keep missing the part where Al Saunders has actually had a successful post-Redskins career. Although, so many people reference his greatness that he must have done something since then, right?[/quote]
Well he was promoted to senior offensive consultant somethin or other in Baltimore ya know!

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Although, I will admit, whoever drew up the Pete Kendall fumble-AJ Otogwe TD play is a pretty brilliant football mind. Relied on so many things to break perfectly AND it worked like a charm.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689742]Well he was promoted to senior offensive consultant somethin or other in Baltimore ya know![/quote]Is that above or below the position Zorn currently holds there?

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LT - Okung

LG - Dockery

C - Rabach

RG - BMW

RT - Hicks

Backups

T- Heyer

C - Kory L

G - Edwin Williams

G/RT - Rabach or a toss up between a Rookie and another Vet.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;689659]We're in trble if this is a true statement: Kyle Shanahan on current o-line: "We can definitely compete w/ what we have." (via @dcsportsbog)
imeancomeonjoe‎ - Twitter - 5 minutes ago

RT @granthpaulsen: Kyle Shanahan on current o-line: "We can definitely compete with what we have... No doubt, we can compete with our te ...
ahr19‎ - Twitter - 6 minutes ago

Have heard that before RT @redskinsblog: Kyle Shanahan professes complete confidence in the #redskins offensive line. Media seems skeptical.[/quote]

I wouldn't read too far in to anything Kyle said about the OL. Vintage coach-speak.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689742]Well he was promoted to senior offensive consultant somethin or other in Baltimore ya know![/quote]

That's such a peculiar set-up there: former HC Jim Zorn is the QB coach, former HC Al Saunders is the Senior Offensive Consultant, former HC Cam Cameron is the Offensive Coordinator

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[quote=Mattyk;689749]I wouldn't read too far in to anything Kyle said about the OL. Vintage coach-speak.[/quote]

I didn't really have an opinion either way. I just posted it because I felt it was relevant. However in regards to the coach speak the difference here is he heaped pretty high praise of the guys who were there and I think thats why people are taking notice. A more neutral response that probably would have never hit the presses wold have been something along the lines of "We're just seeing what we have right now. We'll know more after training camp" or something like that.

To me a lot of the quotes from Kyle are things he didn't have to say. Now maybe it's just a smokescreen for the draft, maybe it's genuine but now that I think about it, the quote is most definitely noteworthy.