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[url=http://wisconsin.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1037138]BadgerBlitz.com - Morris honored as nation's top tight end[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;694623][url=http://wisconsin.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1037138]BadgerBlitz.com - Morris honored as nation's top tight end[/url][/quote]

Like I said earlier, you have to wonder why he wasn't projected much higher than the 6th round.

From the little I have seen, I like this guy -- he'll be my training camp favorite this year. He won't get to wear #49 though.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;694616]Here is how I look at our 2010 draft:


Round 1. Trent Williams
Round 2. Donovan McNabb
Round 3. Jeremy Jarmon
Round 5. Perry Riley
Round 5. Adam Carriker
Round 6. Dennis Morris
Round 7. Terrence Austin
Round 7. Erik Cook
Round 7. Selvish Capers

Given what they had to work with, I think they did well.[/quote]

I agree with you.

The Draft is an Big Event for me but for Shanny and Allen draft picks are simply tools among the other tools in their toolbox. The other tools are Free Agency, trades, strength and conditioning, teaching, etc. Their goal is to use all of their tools in conjunction to build a championship team and not to "win" the Draft event itself. So, of course, they are not going to cling to second round pick when they can use it to get Donovan McNabb.

When I look at the players they added during the actual NFL Draft event, I think I'm seeing that they drafted for team needs and that they focused on players who were very productive in college and who are versatile. I don't think it's as helpful for us to look at the nominal positions these guys played in college as it is for us to look at the multiple things that each of them may be able to do for the team. For example, I'm sure that Special Teams ability was considered when they drafted Riley, Morris, and Austin.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

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Combine Morris with our new and improved strength and conditioning program, and we may have an absolute monster on our hands. I'm rooting for the guy.

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[quote=Beemnseven;694625]Like I said earlier, you have to wonder why he wasn't projected much higher than the 6th round.

From the little I have seen, I like this guy -- he'll be my training camp favorite this year. He won't get to wear #49 though.[/quote]

He is to short, for a TE in general. Thats why he slid. If he was 6-4 he would have 2nd or 3rd.

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I think a solid B. I'm glad to see the OL addressed finally. Williams is a good 1st round pick in the draft for our scheme with a big upside IMO. Hope some of the later picks stick.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;694641]He is to short, for a TE in general. Thats why he slid. If he was 6-4 he would have 2nd or 3rd.[/quote]

He's not too short to be a FB, though. I think he's going to take Big Mike's job if Mike doesn't watch himself. The nice thing about Morris is that he can serve as a FB, as a blocking TE, as a receiver out of the backfield or as a TE, and I'd bet that he'll lay some somebody out on ST before the season is over.

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i couldnt find the quote but someone said that there is a big difference in Terrence Austin being 165 or 185.......well hes neither, he's 175 lol

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKp2q-fpoSU]YouTube - Terrence Austin Weigh-In 4/6/2010[/url]

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Has anyone seen the sports science video on Selvish Capers?

AWESOME! This guy is a steal.

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[quote=Beemnseven;694625]Like I said earlier, you have to wonder why he wasn't projected much higher than the 6th round.

From the little I have seen, I like this guy -- he'll be my training camp favorite this year. [B]He won't get to wear #49 though[/B].[/quote]Great call. No matter how good this kid is, he won't fill those shoes. :)

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I wouldnt say Selvish Capers is a steal yet. His game tape doesnt match what you see on the sports science video but he can be developed.

Although, i like what i see when i see in Terrence Austin as a WR (good route running, quick out of breaks, catches with his hands) i like even more what i see in his return game. He would have had alot more touchdowns if he was a LITTLE bit faster

Most of his Kick and Punt Returns as a senior
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ntOArgYM4]YouTube - Terrence Austin UCLA Kick and Punt Returns[/url]

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[quote=PHazard;694664]I wouldnt say Selvish Capers is a steal yet. His game tape doesnt match what you see on the sports science video but he can be developed.

Although, i like what i see when i see in Terrence Austin as a WR (good route running, quick out of breaks, catches with his hands) i like even more what i see in his return game. He would have had alot more touchdowns if he was a LITTLE bit faster

Most of his Kick and Punt Returns as a senior
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ntOArgYM4]YouTube - Terrence Austin UCLA Kick and Punt Returns[/url][/quote]

I see Austin as just a returner. He did not catch a ton of passes in college and he will have a hard time shaking press coverage in the pros.

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From the highlights I've seen of Austin, he could turn into a Gary Clark kind of receiver. I like this pick.

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I love the positives here, we always seem to think our late round picks are gold, unfortunately, I only see Capers as someone that will really stick, and that depends on our coaching. I gave the draft a C. Williams is obviously a good pick, but I thought Okung should have been our guy. Still, that's splitting hairs because it was a 1-a, 1-b option. I do not like the Austin pick at all. We have a history of believing in small wr's, and it's time we go away from this. While I agree, we needed G help, Cook will not be able to help for a minimum of a year, and that's if we are lucky and he is a hard worker. The TE pick was a waste, but I think we are just afraid of losing Cooley again. To say we are anything higher than a B is just nutts especially when we had so few early round picks. I could understand a D, but C is where I grade us.

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I've personally seen Erik Cook play for the UNM Lobos. He is a very tall player who goes about 6'6 and nearly 320 pounds who has played all of the line positions for New Mexico. Going into the season he carried a third round grade but his team was horrible which effected his play and hurt his draft status. He moves well in space and will adapt to the zbs system of Shanahan. I think he makes the final cut or at the worst is on the practice squad.

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[quote=PHazard;694664]I wouldnt say Selvish Capers is a steal yet. His game tape doesnt match what you see on the sports science video but he can be developed.

Although, i like what i see when i see in Terrence Austin as a WR (good route running, quick out of breaks, catches with his hands) i like even more what i see in his return game. He would have had alot more touchdowns if he was a LITTLE bit faster

Most of his Kick and Punt Returns as a senior
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ntOArgYM4]YouTube - Terrence Austin UCLA Kick and Punt Returns[/url][/quote]

As far as Capers is concerned I'm hoping that he's the next Donald Penn. If you remember Allen and company signed Penn as an undrafted free agent and today he's one of the leagues better left tackles. Now Capers obviously won't be a LT for us but if he can play up to his physical attributes he will end up being one hell of a steal.

I said before the draft that I would be very intrigued to see the team get Williams in the first and Capers in the fourth. The only thing that scares me about Capers being a 7th round pick is I feel like the coaching staff might be a little less inclined to give him a fair shake. However Shanahan has been known to give UDFA and late round picks more then a fair shake so I'm not to concerned about it.

I actually want to go back and look again at where Shanahan's lineman from Denver for drafted. If I remember right the most common rounds were the 4th and 5th. With some starters coming from the 3rd and 7th round. Only two guys in Clady and Foster came from the first.

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People who graded the draft at "D" or "F": why?

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[quote=Lotus;694789]People who graded the draft at "D" or "F": why?[/quote]I don't really fall into this category because I gave it a C, but I considered giving it a D because we took one starting caliber player (who wasn't necessarily the best on the board at the position), and then didn't pick until later when we took a bunch of projectable, but uninspiring, talent.

We also didn't haul in much by way of UDFA.

We improved ourselves through the draft, I think, because we had such obvious offensive deficiencies, that Williams wouldn't have to be very good at all to improve our offense by a factor of 3-5% as a rookie. I don't know how much credit we should get for recognizing our tackles were weak, but I believe it's more than some and less than a lot.

I could see an argument that suggests that Jarmon should be considered part of this class (not sure that I would move it to a B based on that), but people who think that McNabb/Jason Taylor should be considered part of this class are reaching for a reason to like it. Trading draft picks cannot be construed as a way to get value in a draft.

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It might be a bit too optimistic, but I gave it a 'B' -- mainly because we addressed the obvious needs (O-line, linebacker, receiver) and didn't have any of those "Huh?" type picks.

I really like Dennis Morris; looks like he's going to lay some people out blocking-wise. Mike Sellers was often a liability at the position last year. When Portis called him out, turns out he was right. It was going to be time to begin to find a replacement for Sellers; and the mid-rounds is where you should do it.

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If Perry Riley becomes a quality starter for us at LB, and Trent Williams is as good as we think he can be, then it looks like we've salvaged a draft where we had only two picks in the top 105. So a lot of it hinges on Riley.

I like Cook a lot. I think he can be a starter for us someday. But getting three starters out of a draft only puts us a level playing field with everyone else.

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[quote=Lotus;694789]People who graded the draft at "D" or "F": why?[/quote]


I gave it a C, but a D could have been warranted. Williams was a no brainer, but like JSarno said the TE and the WR pick was a waste. We already have a ton of TEs and if we were going to get another WR he should have been built like Marko or Malcolm. THe linemen to me were very nice picks for being so late in the draft and they fulfilled an important need. But since they were late rounders someone playing the odds will probably write them off as being cut or PS fodder. I think both linemen can make the team outright. Our LB pick was solid and I also think will make the final cut, but there are naysayers that doubt his ability since he was a late rounder. We will see how they actually do come the final roster, but if a few of these guys don't make the cut, this draft should be downgraded to a D.

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[quote=GTripp0012;694817]I don't really fall into this category because I gave it a C, but I considered giving it a D because we took one starting caliber player (who wasn't necessarily the best on the board at the position), and then didn't pick until later when we took a bunch of projectable, but uninspiring, talent.

We also didn't haul in much by way of UDFA.

We improved ourselves through the draft, I think, because we had such obvious offensive deficiencies, that Williams wouldn't have to be very good at all to improve our offense by a factor of 3-5% as a rookie. I don't know how much credit we should get for recognizing our tackles were weak, but I believe it's more than some and less than a lot.

I could see an argument that suggests that Jarmon should be considered part of this class (not sure that I would move it to a B based on that), but people who think that McNabb/Jason Taylor should be considered part of this class are reaching for a reason to like it. [B]Trading draft picks cannot be construed as a way to get value in a draft[/B].[/quote]

Exactly...Dont like that arguement either. Jarmon, Shanny and Allen dont have any alligence to him and frankly wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt make the final roster. So if he gets cut, our 3rd rounder, does this draft become a D or F grade?

I gave it a B as an optimist, but I dont think everybody will make the team actually think more than a couple wont. I know from now on I will be closely following Okung vs Silverback, to see who becomes the better Tackle. I think Okung was more polished, but we will see...

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i gave it a B. i guess B- if we were going to get specific. the addition of solid offensive line help was the biggest positive for me. everyone needs to relax about the TE pick, he will be a FB. the kid can block, and make holes for our stable of backs. if either capers or cook work into a starting position, we will really be in business.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;694827]I gave it a C, but a D could have been warranted. Williams was a no brainer, but like JSarno said the TE and the WR pick was a waste. We already have a ton of TEs and if we were going to get another WR he should have been built like Marko or Malcolm. THe linemen to me were very nice picks for being so late in the draft and they fulfilled an important need. But since they were late rounders someone playing the odds will probably write them off as being cut or PS fodder. I think both linemen can make the team outright. Our LB pick was solid and I also think will make the final cut, but there are naysayers that doubt his ability since he was a late rounder. We will see how they actually do come the final roster, but if a few of these guys don't make the cut, this draft should be downgraded to a D.[/quote]

but why take a WR like Marko or Malcolm that would offer nothing on special teams?

and arent Malcolm and Marko enough

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I'm kinda surprised to see so many banging on the pick of Morris. As a blocker the guy looks fierce. I could easily see him winning the #3 TE spot and if he can play FB too... bonus.

Austin could stick over someone like Marko just based on his ability to play special teams.

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I'm going to give it a High B or Low A, voted B.


We did well in the draft. Trent is definitely starting. Perry Riley is a possible starter and a solid pick for the 3-4 transition. We also have a backup Center/Guard in Erik Cook who could esily become Rabach's replacement and Selvish Capers was projected mush higher than 7th and could easily make the team as a backup tackle. We also added a FB to eventually step in for Sellers.

The WR we drafted could be our returner too.

We didn't have any huge names after Williams, but every one of the guys we drafted can not only make the team, but contribute. Even our 7th-rounders are great picks and values.

Allen and Shanahan made a draft with very few picks into a very productive draft class. I think they did great with what they had to work with. It's not often you can realistically see every pick making the team, but I think these guys could do it.

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[quote=internetcareer;694661]Has anyone seen the sports science video on Selvish Capers?

AWESOME! This guy is a steal.[/quote]

It is pretty cool.

[YT]CAo3MsI2AMw[/YT]

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[quote=GTripp0012;694817]I don't really fall into this category because I gave it a C, but I considered giving it a D because we took one starting caliber player (who wasn't necessarily the best on the board at the position), and then didn't pick until later when we took a bunch of projectable, but uninspiring, talent.

We also didn't haul in much by way of UDFA.

We improved ourselves through the draft, I think, because we had such obvious offensive deficiencies, that Williams wouldn't have to be very good at all to improve our offense by a factor of 3-5% as a rookie. I don't know how much credit we should get for recognizing our tackles were weak, but I believe it's more than some and less than a lot.

I could see an argument that suggests that Jarmon should be considered part of this class (not sure that I would move it to a B based on that), but people who think that McNabb/Jason Taylor should be considered part of this class are reaching for a reason to like it. [B]Trading draft picks cannot be construed as a way to get value in a draft[/B].[/quote]

Well you have to factor them in somehow. A pick's value just doesn't magically disappear.

Scouts Inc. devised a formula that takes trades into account:

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=5133008]2010 NFL draft: Scouts Inc. offers up the results of its unique formula for evaluating each team's draft performance. - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;694827]I gave it a C, but a D could have been warranted. Williams was a no brainer, but like JSarno said the TE and the WR pick was a waste. We already have a ton of TEs and if we were going to get another WR he should have been built like Marko or Malcolm. THe linemen to me were very nice picks for being so late in the draft and they fulfilled an important need. But since they were late rounders someone playing the odds will probably write them off as being cut or PS fodder. I think both linemen can make the team outright. Our LB pick was solid and I also think will make the final cut, but there are naysayers that doubt his ability since he was a late rounder. We will see how they actually do come the final roster, but if a few of these guys don't make the cut, this draft should be downgraded to a D.[/quote]

How was Williams a no brainer?

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I love how 1st rounders are always written off as no-brainers around here.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;694616]Here is how I look at our 2010 draft:


Round 1. Trent Williams
Round 2. Donovan McNabb
Round 3. Jeremy Jarmon
Round 5. Perry Riley
Round 5. Adam Carriker
Round 6. Dennis Morris
Round 7. Terrence Austin
Round 7. Erik Cook
Round 7. Selvish Capers

Given what they had to work with, I think they did well.[/quote]

I look at the draft the same way as you and I gave it an A. If any of Williams, Jarmon, or Carriker end up being a "bust" then i'd have to downgrade the draft to a C or lower. Getting McNabb for a 2nd and conditional pick next year was probably the best move of the draft in my opinion, although i'm not sure if i would still make it, knowing that Clausen and McCoy fell as far as they did. It all depends on how long McNabb wears the redskins uniform. If he plays 5 more years, i'm happy. If he plays just two or three, then i'll have major regrets.

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[quote=Mattyk;694925]Well you have to factor them in somehow. A pick's value just doesn't magically disappear.

Scouts Inc. devised a formula that takes trades into account:

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=5133008"]2010 NFL draft: Scouts Inc. offers up the results of its unique formula for evaluating each team's draft performance. - ESPN[/URL][/quote]I'll read the Scouts Inc. article because I <3 formulas, but I don't think trading for a player with an existing contract is anything like drafting your own talent at all. The trade for veteran talent can be good, or it can be bad, but it always costs draft value.

To me, that's the one constant on trading picks for players: you're costing yourself draft value, so the return must be very high to justify it.

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As far as I can tell, their "trade points" are not a component of our final ranking.

I think their Need Rankings got messed up though. If they gave out points 4-3-2-1 for filling of draft needs in the first four rounds, the most we could have possibly gotten is 5 points, per their method. If that finished in the top three for filling needs, I'm pretty sure that we might have been the only team to fill a need in this draft.

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I consider the McNabb, Jarmon and Carriker acquisitions as part of our draft class because we got them using our picks, therefore I graded us with a "B".

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[quote=Paintrain;695027]I consider the McNabb, Jarmon and Carriker acquisitions as part of our draft class because we got them using our picks, therefore I graded us with a "B".[/quote]

I hadn't included them, but yes, it would be correct to since picks were expended for their acquisitions.

Including them, I'll upgrade us to an A-.

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I thought the Trent Williams pick is a risk worth taking if you're a 4-12 team. I was happy with that choice.

I was a little disappointed we didn't trade into the 2nd or 3rd round, but happy that we didn't force ourselves into either or both of those rounds. We looked for the right opportunity and it doesn't seem like it presented itself.

Riley is solid (I had actually thought we might sneak into the early 3rd for Spikes). I think he can make an instant impact on special teams and some versatility at LB

I don't know much about Morris, but I think it's time we find someone to replace Sellers. Not sure it will be Morris though

Not really a fan of the Austin pick (especially with Snead still on the board! The fact that he wasn't drafted just proves that GTripp is right. All NFL execs and scouts are morons and don't have a clue what they're doing)

I see Erik Cook on the PS this year. Decent pickup. It will be lauded as the new regime drafting an offensive lineman. But I don't see it as much different from Edwin Williams dropping last year and signing with us a UDFA.

Thought Selvish Capers has the potential to be a phenomenal pick. He's a poor man's Trent Williams in the sense that he's very athletic and versatile. But he'll also work hard 100% of the time. Something that's been questioned about TW.

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Malcom Kelly says that TW has always been a hard worker. Since we know that it not the case (TW admitted as much in his press conference), that makes me question whether Kelly truly understands the meaning of "hard work." It also makes me question whether Kelly will contribute to the team as much as I had hoped in 2010. I have a nagging feeling that WR will be our greatest need going in to 2011.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;695067]Malcom Kelly says that TW has always been a hard worker. Since we know that it not the case (TW admitted as much in his press conference), that makes me question whether Kelly truly understands the meaning of "hard work." It also makes me question whether Kelly will contribute to the team as much as I had hoped in 2010. I have a nagging feeling that WR will be our greatest need going in to 2011.[/quote]
Kelly has known TW since High School. I don't think he is going to go in front of the press and say anything but positives and superlatives about him. I doubt it has any bearing on his concept of hard work.

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^^ Is Capers our Rod Smith? Any chance he actually out performs Williams?

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=222983&amp;feedID=2992]Tandler's Redskins Draft Six Pack[/url]

not a bad read, rich tandler from csn's draft break down

i like his thoughts on ah, especially the last few lines

[quote] And it clearly would have been a bad deal to dump Albert Haynesworth for a third-round pick. That would have sent a message that it is possible to pout your way out of the organization. All of the back and forth over the past several weeks will be forgotten when training camp starts in late July. The coaches will find a role that best suits Haynesworth’s talent. That’s their job. And Albert will fulfill that role to the best of his ability. That’s his job.
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