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[quote=firstdown;696630]Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.[/quote]
[B]This is the fact that anyone opposed to the law is voluntarily disregarding.[/B]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696657]Well what's gonna make this law enforced when the previous ones were not enforced?[/quote]

That's exactly the reason for the law, to enforce the immigration laws passed at a Federal level...by the State and Local law enforcement since the Feds refuse to come help. The immigration laws passed have been worthless without enforcement and follow-through. They even passed a law a few years ago to build a border fence but have not been funding the actual work.

The state has been pleading for help and been largely ignored, they need to take the situation into their own hands. Texas is doing the same thing soon.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696658]Why is it so urgent now and not while Bush was in office? The timing of this is fishy.[/quote]
To the people living there, it was just as urgent then.

The majority of the residents approve of this law...yet not surprisingly, politicians living 2,000 miles away in D.C. think it's a bad idea. :madani:

When the President of the United States and Congress take the side of the lawbreakers over the safety of the citizens... :doh:

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696658]Why is it so urgent now and not while Bush was in office? The timing of this is fishy.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Maybe AZ thought the Fed. Govt was going to enforce the federal laws back when Bush was in office, but now they dont believe that is the case. I also think they wanted to do it after the census, so even if this thing was in the works for a few years they would wait until the bulk of the census's where mailed back (April 15th i think). It also may be that the AZ economy is so bad the politicians need to appease their constituents (illegals cant vote) and the constant cry of "Theyre takin our jobs". Maybe all these crazy drug wars we have been hearing about in Mexico are starting to cross over into the US, and they want to stop that. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;696670][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Maybe AZ thought the Fed. Govt was going to enforce the federal laws back when Bush was in office, but now they dont believe that is the case. I also think they wanted to do it after the census, so even if this thing was in the works for a few years they would wait until the bulk of the census's where mailed back (April 15th i think). It also may be that the AZ economy is so bad the politicians need to appease their constituents (illegals cant vote) and the constant cry of "Theyre takin our jobs". Maybe all these crazy drug wars we have been hearing about in Mexico are starting to cross over into the US, and they want to stop that. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

When hospitals are forced to close because illegals are coming in and costing too much to stay open...yeah, it's time to do something about it.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;696654]See post # 7. One thing Obama is NOT, is stupid. I'm just a guy on a messageboard and I found the info on the law in less than 5 min. Obama knows exactly what's in/not in the statutes. What he stated is certainly not something that can reasonably be assumed to happen the way they're written. For him to make the statement he did is a purely political play.

I don't know who the "reasonable Republicans" are coming out against this law, but I'll bet it's safe to assume they're pandering to a Hispanic voting bloc in their district/state. You're absolutely correct, the security of the people of the U.S. isn't a right/left issue and I'll bet you could take a handful of members from this board, on both sides of the political spectrum, and come up with a reasonable solution to the illegal immigration issue that satisifed both sides. However, for the vast majority of politicians in DC its about power and keeping their jobs. The Hispanic voting bloc is already (or will be very shortly) the largest minority voting bloc in the country. How this issue is spun is key to gaining/losing support with a good portion of this voting bloc....so I would say there is definitely politcal advantage to be had here.[/quote]

I think we agree more than we disagree after reading your post. Good post.

It's just a complicated issue and regardless of how and when you approach it, it's going to be a political issue.

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I highly doubt the President has actually read this bill...or most bills he talks about. If he did, he's just ignoring the facts to attack people as racists.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;696654]However, for the vast majority of politicians in DC its about power and keeping their jobs. The Hispanic voting bloc is already (or will be very shortly) the largest minority voting bloc in the country. How this issue is spun is key to gaining/losing support with a good portion of this voting bloc....so I would say there is definitely politcal advantage to be had here.[/quote]

You're right.

[YT]oh-yR1HWkbM[/YT]


Wait, I thought...[I]"There are no Blue States or Red States, we should stop carving up the electorate into ethnic and racial groups" - President Obama
[/I]
I guess not.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;696635]The primary point to this statute is to provide for the state to take action against any locality that refuses to enforce laws already in place. This law brings a uniform state-wide policy to bear to combat the problems that AZ has been facing for years while politicians on both sides of the aisle in DC bury their heads, while trying to appeal/not offend to the Hispanic voting bloc.

In a nutshell it makes the "sanctuary cities" liable for legal action by the state for not enforcing Federal and State of Arizona law. This I'm sure is a bigger problem in AZ than it is in VA. But I live in the sanctuary city of Virginia Beach. The previous Mayor and police chief had a policy to not report illegals to ICE, in addition to the burden illegal immigrants put on the City services (police, medical, social services) two teenage girls are dead, directly because of this policy (killed by a drunk driving illegal who had been released twice before for alcohol issues).

Here's the a link to the actual text of the statutes:

[URL="http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/"]Text of Arizona's Anti-Illegal Immigration Law - Part 1 | KEYTLaw[/URL]

These statutes seek enforcement not only directly against illegal immigrants but also against companies that employ them.

President Obama is making a purely political play (and he damn well knows it) in misrepresenting what these statutes contain. This isn't about racism, it's about AZ protecting the people of the state from the negative consequences of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately, the murder of the rancher was the straw that broke the camels' back.[/quote]

We're all grow men, let's bring facts to the table shall we?

1. It makes sanctuary cities liable citizen lawsuits. These citizens will be suing themselves and AZ is the [URL="http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711"]most broke state in the country[/URL] (yes, even more broken than Cali). Some will claim they're broke because of all the welfare they provide for undocumented aliens but the real questions is how do undocumented aliens obtain these welfare services and how does this law address that issue? You must understand that these aliens have fake everything, license, social security, you name it, they have it.

2. The crime rate in Arizona has been [URL="http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeStatebyState.cfm"]steadily declining[/URL] even with increasing population of undocumented aliens. The question is what is the basis for claiming undocumented aliens increase are the source of crime in Arizona?

3. Lord Obama is certainly politicizing? He's a politician addressing a national issue, the issue of immigration, which last I checked is a federal issue. Anywho, this Arizona law is a political play itself and that's fine. Either side is entitled to convince the public their immigration vision is right for America. I don't know how he is misrepresenting the the AZ law. I would be happy to listen what part of what he said is objectionable.

4. Looking at comparison of [URL="http://www.azleg.gov/jlbc/10app/bh21.pdf"]Arizona's 2000 and 2010 budgets[/URL] I don't see how this law will fix their budget issues. They're merely going to shift their expenditure from social services to incarceration, law enforcement, going to court and deprotation (not even sure they're going to do that themselves).

5. There are many questions this law doesn't address...How are you going to determine if someone legal or illegal if they have a fake driver's license? How are you going to punish companies if all the documents they have for an undocumented worker are valid? How are you going to punish someone for providing comfort to undocumented alien if they say I didn't ask (citizens are not required to ask someone if they are documented and that's not constitutional). How are they going to deal with lawsuits from multiple fronts.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;696651]i agree....
but your previous post (and this one too kinda) implies that drunk drivers are among the people who dont like being pulled over and i think we all agree that they should be.
i assume you meant that if you have 2 beers and are not drunk, you don't need to be hassled by the cops on the off chance that you fail a breathalizer or something.....[/quote]

Just don't wanna be hassled period, and it is not their right to do so. Probable cause is the rule of law. You know how many people walk because of that alone? I know the rancher got killed sorry that happend, but trying to put the entire hispanic community under duress is not right. Kinda like the excuse "we are looking for crack dealers". My question is "So what the hell you blocking the street for? go catch them mofos. What the hell you get paid to do? What have I saw? Not a damn thing, do an investigation or something. Damn, want me to do your job for you? Basically they are mad because the American citizens who can tell who is illegal or not won't do their job for them. Do some police work for crying out loud. Police always want to be the millitary, like it's not enough police work for them already.

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[quote=saden1;696683]

3. Lord Obama is certainly politicizing? He's a politician addressing a national issue, the issue of immigration, which last I checked is a federal issue. Anywho, this Arizona law is a political play itself and that's fine. Either side is entitled to convince the public their immigration vision is right for America. [B]I don't know how he is misrepresenting the the AZ law. I would be happy to listen what part of what he said is objectionable. [/B]
[/quote]

Holy crap. You're either VERY naive or just have selective ignorance to his statements.

He said "people trying to take their daughter out for ice cream will be asked to show papers for no reason but how they look" and directly accuses opponents of being racists.

Not only is he completely wrong (and/or dishonest) about the facts of the law, he's being racially inflammatory for the sole reason of securing a Hispanic voting block, whether they are legally entitled to vote or not. Think about it...he's opposed to a law forcing illegals to have a legal I.D. to be here. What do you need to vote? A legal I.D.

If you're a legal resident/citizen and have I.D., what are you worried about? I'd gladly have to show my I.D. a few times in exchange for a safer, more secure nation with a better economy and less crime. But of course, unlike the President's false claims, unless I'm already committing a crime, I won't have to worry about any unnecessary hassle.

How anyone can oppose this common-sense law is beyond me.

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[quote=Buster;696686]Holy crap. You're either VERY naive or just have selective ignorance to his statements.

He said "people trying to take their daughter out for ice cream will be asked to show papers for no reason but how they look" and directly accuses opponents of being racists.

Not only is he completely wrong (and/or dishonest) about the facts of the law, he's being racially inflammatory for the sole reason of securing a Hispanic voting block, whether they are legally entitled to vote or not. Think about it...he's opposed to a law forcing illegals to have a legal I.D. to be here. What do you need to vote? A legal I.D.[/quote]

I thought a national ID was a new world order communism socialism fear?

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[quote=Buster;696682]You're right.

[YT]oh-yR1HWkbM[/YT]


Wait, I thought...[I]"There are no Blue States or Red States, we should stop carving up the electorate into ethnic and racial groups" - President Obama
[/I]
I guess not.[/quote]


It's called minority outreach and to people who vote for you. No one is precluding you from reaching the minorities. In fact I think you're trying to do just that. BTW, how is Steele doing in that front? I know you got the "heartland" and "real america" on lock and "the blacks" are a lost cause but what about them Hispanics?

Get-R-Done!

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[quote=Buster;696686]Holy crap. You're either VERY naive or just have selective ignorance to his statements.

He said "people trying to take their daughter out for ice cream will be asked to show papers for no reason but how they look" and directly accuses opponents of being racists.

Not only is he completely wrong (and/or dishonest) about the facts of the law, he's being racially inflammatory for the sole reason of securing a Hispanic voting block, whether they are legally entitled to vote or not. Think about it...he's opposed to a law forcing illegals to have a legal I.D. to be here. What do you need to vote? A legal I.D.

If you're a legal resident/citizen and have I.D., what are you worried about? I'd gladly have to show my I.D. a few times in exchange for a safer, more secure nation with a better economy and less crime. But of course, unlike the President's false claims, unless I'm already committing a crime, I won't have to worry about any unnecessary hassle.

How anyone can oppose this common-sense law is beyond me.[/quote]


You're a dense humanoid...even if I broke it down for you I'm afraid you wouldn't understand.

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Arizona is broke. Almost every state is broke. That's reality. I hear a lot of concern over racial profiling. I don't hear anyone saying anything about the few honest Mexican police and politicians left who are chopped up by the cartels. I guess they don't count huh?

Some of you twirps make me sick. Just remember, when you're banging that black tar heroin and snorting up that dope, a lot of brown skinned people are kidnapped, tortured, and mudered so you can get high. You can tell yourself you're not a racist because you've a Mexican nanny or support amnesty. Tell that to the Americans and Mexicans who are kidnapped and tortured to death for your fucking dope habit. Yuppy pukes!

The real culprits behind the illegal alein problem are the bankers who wash all the dope money for the cartels. Mexicans have been coming to the US, earing money, and going back home for the longest. If they have no home to go back to where else are they supposed to go? If I was Obama I'd arrest every junkie and every corrupt banker in the US. Make those MFers clean toilets and cut grass. If it wasn't for them, Mexico would be a rich nation. Y'all do know Mexico exports oil right?!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;696654]See post # 7. One thing Obama is NOT, is stupid. I'm just a guy on a messageboard and I found the info on the law in less than 5 min. Obama knows exactly what's in/not in the statutes. What he stated is certainly not something that can reasonably be assumed to happen the way they're written. For him to make the statement he did is a purely political play.

I don't know who the "reasonable Republicans" are coming out against this law, but I'll bet it's safe to assume they're pandering to a Hispanic voting bloc in their district/state. You're absolutely correct, the security of the people of the U.S. isn't a right/left issue and I'll bet you could take a handful of members from this board, on both sides of the political spectrum, and come up with a reasonable solution to the illegal immigration issue that satisifed both sides. However, for the vast majority of politicians in DC its about power and keeping their jobs. [B]The Hispanic voting bloc is already (or will be very shortly) the largest minority voting bloc in the country. How this issue is spun is key to gaining/losing support with a good portion of this voting bloc....so I would say there is definitely politcal advantage to be had here[/B].[/quote]

This is what it's all about for the Dems. With mid-terms just 6 months away, why wouldn't Obama publicly speak out on this? It's a great opportunity to build more support from registered Hispanic voters.

I haven't read this piece of legislation, nor do I care to. I don't have the time in my day to read page after page of statutes, however I'm all about the strictest (is that a word?) immigration laws. At a time when 1 in 10 Americans is without a job, the thought of people sneaking across our border to leech off of our already struggling economy makes me sick. I'm not an isolationist, but this is a time where we need to put ourselves first.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696684]Just don't wanna be hassled period, and it is not their right to do so. Probable cause is the rule of law. You know how many people walk because of that alone? I know the rancher got killed sorry that happend, but trying to put the entire hispanic community under duress is not right. Kinda like the excuse "we are looking for crack dealers". My question is "So what the hell you blocking the street for? go catch them mofos. What the hell you get paid to do? What have I saw? Not a damn thing, do an investigation or something. Damn, want me to do your job for you? Basically they are mad because the American citizens who can tell who is illegal or not won't do their job for them. Do some police work for crying out loud. Police always want to be the millitary, like it's not enough police work for them already.[/quote]

hey, i generally agree about not wanting to be hassled...
was just pointing out that mentioning "what if i'm minding my own business driving home drunk...." wasn't the best way to express your opposition to the bill.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;696699]Arizona is broke. Almost every state is broke. That's reality. I hear a lot of concern over racial profiling. I don't hear anyone saying anything about the few honest Mexican police and politicians left who are chopped up by the cartels. I guess they don't count huh?

[B]Some of you twirps make me sick. Just remember, when you're banging that black tar heroin and snorting up that dope, a lot of brown skinned people are kidnapped, tortured, and mudered so you can get high. You can tell yourself you're not a racist because you've a Mexican nanny or support amnesty. Tell that to the Americans and Mexicans who are kidnapped and tortured to death for your fucking dope habit. Yuppy pukes![/B]

The real culprits behind the illegal alein problem are the bankers who wash all the dope money for the cartels. Mexicans have been coming to the US, earing money, and going back home for the longest. If they have no home to go back to where else are they supposed to go? If I was Obama I'd arrest every junkie and every corrupt banker in the US. Make those MFers clean toilets and cut grass. If it wasn't for them, Mexico would be a rich nation. Y'all do know Mexico exports oil right?![/quote]

:confused-

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It's not Arizona, but I'm a bit surprised no one has posted the Tim James ad yet.

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[quote=GMScud;696710]:confused-[/quote]

Sorry I forgot the r in MURDERED.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;696708]hey, i generally agree about not wanting to be hassled...
was just pointing out that mentioning "what if i'm minding my own business driving home drunk...." wasn't the best way to express your opposition to the bill.[/quote]

I never said driving drunk but hey waht if i was driving home naked, and they pulled me over on false pretenses. Do I get a ticket for indecent exposure? Yes, will i pay a fine. No. Probable cause baby!!!!

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[quote=GMScud;696710]:confused-[/quote]


I felt the same way.

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[quote=GMScud;696710]:confused-[/quote]

I'll second that and toss in a :doh:

This thread has officially hit tard status, as usual with anything political around here

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[quote=Buster;696686]
He said "people trying to take their daughter out for ice cream will be asked to show papers for no reason but how they look" and directly accuses opponents of being racists.

[/quote]

a police officer can walk up to you and ask for your id at any time. whether your hispanic or not. if there is a law that requires you to carry an id when in public (which there might be in every state) and you dont have that id then you might be screwed if your illegal.

a police officer can knock on your door and ask if he can search your home. you can say no and the cop cant do anything about it. (in the real world, you say no, the cop does what he wants anyway then claims consent or exigent circumstances like the smell of burning marijuana or a guy was sitting on the couch acting nervous and i had to search him and the area for any weapons and i just so happened to find the cocaine under the bathroom sink upstairs where hypothetically the nervous guy could have ran up to and retrieved a weapon from)

when i lived in san diego, i lived in what they call the ghetto. its not really ghetto, at least not by DC standards. there were a shit ton of illegals but they were great. so close to the border they were so worried about everything that they wouldnt bother you, very very polite and respectful.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;696699]Arizona is broke. Almost every state is broke. That's reality. I hear a lot of concern over racial profiling. I don't hear anyone saying anything about the few honest Mexican police and politicians left who are chopped up by the cartels. I guess they don't count huh?

Some of you twirps make me sick. Just remember, when you're banging that black tar heroin and snorting up that dope, a lot of brown skinned people are kidnapped, tortured, and mudered so you can get high. You can tell yourself you're not a racist because you've a Mexican nanny or support amnesty. Tell that to the Americans and Mexicans who are kidnapped and tortured to death for your fucking dope habit. Yuppy pukes!

The real culprits behind the illegal alein problem are the bankers who wash all the dope money for the cartels. Mexicans have been coming to the US, earing money, and going back home for the longest. If they have no home to go back to where else are they supposed to go? If I was Obama I'd arrest every junkie and every corrupt banker in the US. Make those MFers clean toilets and cut grass. If it wasn't for them, Mexico would be a rich nation. Y'all do know Mexico exports oil right?![/quote]



Holy cow, looks like somebody started the weekend early. Can I hit that?

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[quote=saden1;696691]You're a dense humanoid...even if I broke it down for you I'm afraid you wouldn't understand.[/quote]

And there we go...sunken to the President's debate tactics...namecalling.

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[quote=GMScud;696706]This is what it's all about for the Dems. With mid-terms just 6 months away, why wouldn't Obama publicly speak out on this? It's a great opportunity to build more support from registered Hispanic voters.

I haven't read this piece of legislation, nor do I care to. I don't have the time in my day to read page after page of statutes, however I'm all about the strictest (is that a word?) immigration laws. At a time when 1 in 10 Americans is without a job, the thought of people sneaking across our border to leech off of our already struggling economy makes me sick. I'm not an isolationist, but this is a time where we need to put ourselves first.[/quote]

If only more people in D.C. thought like you. :food-smil

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[quote=over the mountain;696718]a police officer can walk up to you and ask for your id at any time. whether your hispanic or not. if there is a law that requires you to carry an id when in public (which there might be in every state) and you dont have that id then you might be screwed if your illegal.

a police officer can knock on your door and ask if he can search your home. you can say no and the cop cant do anything about it. (in the real world, you say no, the cop does what he wants anyway then claims consent or exigent circumstances like the smell of burning marijuana or a guy was sitting on the couch acting nervous and i had to search him and the area for any weapons and i just so happened to find the cocaine under the bathroom sink upstairs where hypothetically the nervous guy could have ran up to and retrieved a weapon from)

when i lived in san diego, i lived in what they call the ghetto. its not really ghetto, at least not by DC standards. there were a shit ton of illegals but they were great. so close to the border they were so worried about everything that they wouldnt bother you, very very polite and respectful.[/quote]

You saved me from a complex response. I thank you sir and wish you a pleasant day. :goodjob:

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Sometimes I just don't understand how y'all can be so blind? Mexico has natural resources, some great farm land, and oil. So why are the Mexicans coming here? They're coming here because Mexico is a Narco-Cartel hell hole. You'd risk your life to come here too. It's that way because all the drugs flow up from South and Central America, through Mexico, and into American veins. This has nothing to do with race. It's about money. Ever see the movie "No Country For Old Men"? Multiply that by California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Arizona. 50% of Mexico's problem is America's dope habit.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;696729]Sometimes I just don't understand how y'all can be so blind? Mexico has natural resources, some great farm land, and oil. So why are the Mexicans coming here? They're coming here because Mexico is a Narco-Cartel hell hole. You'd risk your life to come here too. It's that way because all the drugs flow up from South and Central America, through Mexico, and into American veins. This has nothing to do with race. It's about money. Ever see the movie [B]"No Country For Old Men"[/B]? Multiply that by California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Arizona. 50% of Mexico's problem is America's dope habit.[/quote]


For the record not a documentary.

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If what I heard the other night was correct each illegal here cost the tax payers around $7,500 per year and that does not even enclude the jobs they take from the poor. I have no problem with anyone who wants to come here and better their life but do it the legal way and you have no problems. If your an illegal then you have what is coming to you and the worse thing is you get deported. Wow, all of this up roar over the fact that AZ is going to round them up and take them back to Mexico.

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[quote=over the mountain;696718]a police officer can walk up to you and ask for your id at any time. whether your hispanic or not. if there is a law that requires you to carry an id when in public (which there might be in every state) and you dont have that id then you might be screwed if your illegal.

a police officer can knock on your door and ask if he can search your home. you can say no and the cop cant do anything about it. (in the real world, you say no, the cop does what he wants anyway then claims consent or exigent circumstances like the smell of burning marijuana or a guy was sitting on the couch acting nervous and i had to search him and the area for any weapons and i just so happened to find the cocaine under the bathroom sink upstairs where hypothetically the nervous guy could have ran up to and retrieved a weapon from)

when i lived in san diego, i lived in what they call the ghetto. its not really ghetto, at least not by DC standards. there were a shit ton of illegals but they were great. so close to the border they were so worried about everything that they wouldnt bother you, very very polite and respectful.[/quote]

Even in South Carolina that won't fly. No search warrant no coming in. We need to bring that subject up when it comes to government waste. I know a few folks who have gotten between 100,000 to 200,000. People have rights ya know.

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[quote=mredskins;696731]For the record not a documentary.[/quote]

You're right. In real life Cartel hitmen put people in 55 gallon drums of acid, alive.

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[quote=firstdown;696732]If what I heard the other night was correct each illegal here cost the tax payers around $7,500 per year and that does not even enclude the jobs they take from the poor. I have no problem with anyone who wants to come here and better their life but do it the legal way and you have no problems. If your an illegal then you have what is coming to you and the worse thing is you get deported. Wow, all of this up roar over the fact that AZ is going to round them up and take them back to Mexico.[/quote]


I personally don't want them here either but if you took every working illegal out of the US today and replaced them with a US worker making min. wage it would send major shock waves through our economy.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696723]Holy cow, looks like somebody started the weekend early. Can I hit that?[/quote]

Do you know how the Communist Chinese fixed their opium problem?

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Legalize it and take away the black market, tax the shit outta of it too and clean up the debt

:cool-smil

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[quote=mredskins;696738]I personally don't want them here either but if you took every working illegal out of the US today and replaced them with a US worker making min. wage it would send major shock waves through our economy.[/quote]
Thats assuming that min wage is all they work for and all the companies would pay to replace them. Not sure the name of the company but they just got busted with over 300 illegals and within a couple of weeks had about all the positions filled with legal workers.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;696740]Do you know how the Communist Chinese fixed their opium problem?[/quote]

Started selling it to the British?

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[quote=firstdown;696749]Thats assuming that min wage is all they work for and all the companies would pay to replace them. Not sure the name of the company but they just got busted with over 300 illegals and within a couple of weeks had about all the positions filled with legal workers.[/quote]



Man, they driving Charlotte in Escalades and Hummers. I want to move to their country get a 50,000 dollar a year job and start my credit score over.

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[quote=Mattyk;696747]Legalize it and take away the black market, tax the shit outta of it too and clean up the debt

:cool-smil[/quote]

Agree.

Also, I'm not helping the Mexican drug lords. My stuff is grown in Northern California. :cool-smil