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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697111]Bash BP hell yeah...
If the rig does not fail, BP profits. But when a mistake happens it affects us all.
[B]That's a trend I am getting tired of[/B]. It is not capitalism at all.
Invade Iraq if they greet us a liberators then Big Oil is super wealthy. If it fails we are all in danger from terrorists.
Wall Street casino mentality. If they win they win not we win. If they fail we fail not them.
[B]This time they went to far.[/B] There is not enough money in the world to fix this mess. The Gulf of Mexico is a gift from god we sacrificed for profits. Not profits for our country but profits for some share holders. but our country is gonna pay the balance.

Free Market jerks are liars. they don't want capitalism they are taking advantage. Capitalism is taking a risk, they are not taking any "alone" yet if the gamble works they "profit alone".

This is a new form of socialism. Collectivist risk individual profits.[/quote]

You need to re-read Adam Smith, you really don't understand what pure capitalism is. I have seen you post a few times with your understanding of Capitalism, once in relation to outsourcing to China. Each time you describe capitalism incorrectly.
To be clear, I am not knocking your ideas, only your understanding of what "Capitalism" in its pure form is.

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[quote=Chico23231;697117]To say "im making stuff up" applies more to your quote of "logical and rational debate" above than any of my posts. Rather someone say they disagree. In regards to bashing, yeah it may be premature but pretty appropriate when we look at the scale of this.

Sorry if I offend, [B]but I get passionate when i see negligence like this, with a company who have the resources and big money behind them. I expect better.[/B][/quote]

Passion is good, but again I ask you, once this incident occurred, what could BP do that they haven't done?

To me, it seems like they have committed to using all there resources to stop the leak, they have sent teams to their other rigs to look for any signs and for any clues, and they have acknowledged responsibility.

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Ok while at lunch I was reading the papper and it occured to me that I was wrong and Obama has been jsut sitting there doing nothing for the last 7 days. While this is all on BP our goverment has the duty to protect us and Obama is failing. Finaly yesterday Obama (after 7 days of doing nothing) has committed all the resources they have to containing the spill. Ok, but why did you wait 7 days when it is now just off the coast and not when it first happened? Then on my way back to the office I hear Obama on the news say he will get his first reports from people on the ground later today. OK now its 8 days and he is getting his first reports from people there. Wow, great response time. I hope my local firedepartment is just a little faster. I'm not blaming Obama for this but I do blame him for not responding sooner and using the equipment the federal goverment and states own.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697119]You need to re-read Adam Smith, you really don't understand what pure capitalism is. I have seen you post a few times with your understanding of Capitalism, once in relation to outsourcing to China. Each time you describe capitalism incorrectly.
To be clear, I am not knocking your ideas, only your understanding of what "Capitalism" in its pure form is.[/quote]

So what part don't I understand? People keep crying capitalism while they making money, but cry socialism when they go broke? Making money and ogin broke are both a part of capilaism. How can we say our system, is better than everyone else when we are not truthful about our capitalism?

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[quote=firstdown;697127]Ok while at lunch I was reading the papper and it occured to me that I was wrong and Obama has been jsut sitting there doing nothing for the last 7 days. While this is all on BP our goverment has the duty to protect us and Obama is failing. Finaly yesterday Obama (after 7 days of doing nothing) has committed all the resources they have to containing the spill. Ok, but why did you wait 7 days when it is now just off the coast and not when it first happened? Then on my way back to the office I hear Obama on the news say he will get his first reports from people on the ground later today. OK now its 8 days and he is getting his first reports from people there. Wow, great response time. I hope my local firedepartment is just a little faster. I'm not blaming Obama for this but I do blame him for not responding sooner and using the equipment the federal goverment and states own.[/quote]

why should our government use equipment to help a mulit-national Iranian revolution starting BP Oil?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697130]why should our government use equipment to help a mulit-national Iranian revolution starting BP Oil?[/quote]
Because its our coast line that its getting ready to hit. Help with the clean up then send BP a hugh bill.

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[quote=firstdown;697137]Because its our coast line that its getting ready to hit. Help with the clean up then send BP a hugh bill.[/quote]

I don't think they have enough to pay for this.

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[quote=firstdown;697137]Because its our coast line that its getting ready to hit. Help with the clean up then send BP a [B]hugh [/B]bill.[/quote]

How can anyone be this bad at spelling?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697144]I don't think they have enough to pay for this.[/quote]
You where the guy just saying they are making record profits. Now when I question why Obama waited 7 days before doing anything no one has any answer for that. I got this from a boating site I visit from time to time and this is what someone says BP is doing as part of trying to control this. I have no clue if its correct but it did make sense.

27PMThe Discoverer Enterprise, is arriving at the scene of the oil spill as I type. BP is building a dome (think Umbrella) and we will lower it on drill pipe until it is just above the upper end of the drill pipe flowing oil into the sea. Since oil floats in water, the oil will float up into the umbrella - like an inverted funnel, then into the drill pipe and up to the rig 5000 ft. above. I assume there will be a submersible pump at the top of the umbrella to promote good flow. The Enterprise is equipped with special hull tanks that can hold 135,000 barrels (1 barrel = 42 gallons) of crude. The well is flowing about 5000 BBLS per Day now. At that rate it can bunker 27 days worth. The Enterprise also has crude oil off loading capabilities with a floating transfer hose. As its tanks get full, it will transfer the crude to shuttle tankers that will transfer the crude oil to shore. With dynamic positioning capabilities, the Enterprise can stay within a 12 ft. circle of being dead over the drill pipe end 5000 ft. below it. I will guess that the dome is being built 30 or 40 ft. in diameter. It can maintain station in as much as 90 knot winds across the bow. And we use our thrusters to also weather vane the rig so the wind is always over the bow. So, it can maintain station in a moderate hurricane.

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[quote=firstdown;697149]You where the guy just saying they are making record profits. Now when I question why Obama waited 7 days before doing anything no one has any answer for that. I got this from a boating site I visit from time to time and this is what someone says BP is doing as part of trying to control this. I have no clue if its correct but it did make sense.

27PMThe Discoverer Enterprise, is arriving at the scene of the oil spill as I type. BP is building a dome (think Umbrella) and we will lower it on drill pipe until it is just above the upper end of the drill pipe flowing oil into the sea. Since oil floats in water, the oil will float up into the umbrella - like an inverted funnel, then into the drill pipe and up to the rig 5000 ft. above. I assume there will be a submersible pump at the top of the umbrella to promote good flow. The Enterprise is equipped with special hull tanks that can hold 135,000 barrels (1 barrel = 42 gallons) of crude. The well is flowing about 5000 BBLS per Day now. At that rate it can bunker 27 days worth. The Enterprise also has crude oil off loading capabilities with a floating transfer hose. As its tanks get full, it will transfer the crude to shuttle tankers that will transfer the crude oil to shore. With dynamic positioning capabilities, the Enterprise can stay within a 12 ft. circle of being dead over the drill pipe end 5000 ft. below it. I will guess that the dome is being built 30 or 40 ft. in diameter. It can maintain station in as much as 90 knot winds across the bow. And we use our thrusters to also weather vane the rig so the wind is always over the bow. So, it can maintain station in a moderate hurricane.[/quote]

Actually BP downplayed the severity until yesterday. They falsley reported what was going on. who knows what's going on 1 mile beneath the ocean?

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[quote=firstdown;697149]You where the guy just saying they are making record profits. Now when I question why Obama waited 7 days before doing anything no one has any answer for that.[/quote]

The White House also is pushing back against criticism that the federal government hasn’t done enough responding to the spill. An administration official emails First Read that 1) Interior Secretary Salazar deployed his deputy to the Gulf the morning after the rig explosion; 2) the administration began immediately holding regular calls with BP officials; 3) President Obama began monitoring the situation and contacting governors whose states will be impacted; and 4) Obama dispatched DHS Secretary Napolitano, Secretary Salazar, and EPA Administrator Jackson to the Gulf to ensure that all is being done to respond to the spill. The administration official also says that 1,178 personnel have been deployed to protect the shoreline and wildlife; that 76 response vessels have been responding on site; and that 174,060 feet of boom/barrier have been deployed to contain the spill. And here’s one thing for all of us to remember: The initial focus, post-explosion, was the loss of human life, not the spill.

[url=http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/30/2290294.aspx]First thoughts: Crist makes his move - First Read - msnbc.com[/url]

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The spill is costing BP 6 million dollars per day. That's enough reason for me to believe they are doing *everything* they can to clean this up asap.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697164]Actually BP downplayed the severity until yesterday. They falsley reported what was going on. who knows what's going on 1 mile beneath the ocean?[/quote]

I have not seen any evidence that BP has tried to cover up the severity of what is happening. I think the first day or two they thought that they could get down and shut off those valves before any real impact but that did not happen. I can't hold that against them as misleading because like you said its 5,000 feet beneath the sea.

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Amazing how everyone seems to want to assess blame any chance they get. Not just in this incident. People are not perfect saints, yet when mistakes are made or things don't go the way it "seems" it should, "everyone" screams that so and so aren't doing enough. Maybe, just maybe, life takes time. Life unfolds and each step you take can't be undone, each action causes chain reactions. Life is not immediacy, it is sad to see the environmental devastation unfolding, and I hope everyone involved is giving their best efforts, but no one who holds a lot of responsibility drops everything immediately for one incident, no matter how bad, because they are responsible for tens, hundreds, or thousands of other equally important things that if they just suddenly ignored, could go bad quickly.
BP/the Government/Pres Obama are handling this, and trying to do the best for everyone involved.

Please stop the blame game.

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and I am not saying don't investigate, or find out if criminal negligence was involved. Only, that until a thorough investigation is done, lets lend support to all those who are trying to prevent even more ecological and economic devastation in New Orleans and the surrounding areas.

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[quote=Mattyk;697165]The White House also is pushing back against criticism that the federal government hasn’t done enough responding to the spill. An administration official emails First Read that 1) Interior Secretary Salazar deployed his deputy to the Gulf the morning after the rig explosion; 2) the administration began immediately holding regular calls with BP officials; 3) President Obama began monitoring the situation and contacting governors whose states will be impacted; and 4) Obama dispatched DHS Secretary Napolitano, Secretary Salazar, and EPA Administrator Jackson to the Gulf to ensure that all is being done to respond to the spill. [B]The administration official also says that 1,178 personnel have been deployed to protect the shoreline and wildlife; that 76 response vessels have been responding on site; and that 174,060 feet of boom/barrier have been deployed to contain the spill.[/B] And here’s one thing for all of us to remember: The initial focus, post-explosion, was the loss of human life, not the spill.

[URL="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/30/2290294.aspx"]First thoughts: Crist makes his move - First Read - msnbc.com[/URL][/quote]

He just dispatched the national guard yesterday and if I'm correct BP did most of the other stuff.

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Watching the news this morning and this is going to get really nasty. Those booms are worthless when the waves are kicking up and with 20 mph winds like they are getting the oil will wash right over them. From the pics I have seen the booms are washing up on the beach so they won't do any good like that. We can point fingers all day but the fact is there is not much anyone can do now but clean it up as it washes ashore.

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Some idiots at BP made a catastrophic mistake and people immediately want to start playing the political blame game. Pathetic. I'm sure this democratic administration is doing just as much as any republican administration would.

This is an ecological and economic disaster for the gulf areas down there. The focus should be on wildlife, cleanup,and the families/jobs/businesses left in ruin as a result. The fact that people are politicizing this is further proof of how irreparably partisan and broken our government has become.

Get a grip.

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[quote=GMScud;697298]Some idiots at BP made a catastrophic mistake and people immediately want to start playing the political blame game. Pathetic. I'm sure this democratic administration is doing just as much as any republican administration would.

This is an ecological and economic disaster for the gulf areas down there. The focus should be on wildlife, cleanup,and the families/jobs/businesses left in ruin as a result. The fact that people are politicizing this is further proof of how irreperably partisan and broken our government has become.

Get a grip.[/quote]

Smartest post yet.

Sometimes just looking a situation for what it is instead of trying to figure out which side of the government is conspiring behind it is all that really needs to be said.

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Getting worse, I don't think we can stop this. It appears the leak is increasing in severity by the day. The spill tripled in size in 2 days. There are 10's of millions of barrells of oil in the deposit they were tapping. This is some history making stuff. 2,000 years from now this will be America's lasting legacy. The modern day Tower of Babel. The consequences of man trying to play god. It's time we reevaluate everything. God don't like ugly I blame Arizona forn this curse.

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It spreading because the oil is spreading out plus its pumping out what 200,000 gallons per day. Even if it was shut off it would still spread. Don't worry Obama is heading down there today so he can get in the way. I find it funny when a president goes to a place like this because it really makes no sense. I don't care who is in office it just all for show. I made it a point to fill up my boat today because I see the price of gas jumping up tomorrow when the stock market opens.

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They're saying that the oil slick is now the size of Puerto Rico, and it could very well be the worst ecological disaster in the nation's history. Oh man. This is so terrible. It really almost makes me want to cry.

I also read somewhere this morning that worst case scenario it could take up to 90 days to cap the oil geyser. This thing is going to devastate industries along the gulf coasts.

The cleanup is going to take years. :(

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697175]Amazing how everyone seems to want to assess blame any chance they get. Not just in this incident. People are not perfect saints, yet when mistakes are made or things don't go the way it "seems" it should, "everyone" screams that so and so aren't doing enough. Maybe, just maybe, life takes time. Life unfolds and each step you take can't be undone, each action causes chain reactions. Life is not immediacy, it is sad to see the environmental devastation unfolding, and I hope everyone involved is giving their best efforts, but no one who holds a lot of responsibility drops everything immediately for one incident, no matter how bad, because they are responsible for tens, hundreds, or thousands of other equally important things that if they just suddenly ignored, could go bad quickly.
BP/the Government/Pres Obama are handling this, and trying to do the best for everyone involved.

Please stop the blame game.[/quote]

well said.

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Just horrible.

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For you guys that like seafood, keep in mind that Gulf stream seafood is probably going to cost a pretty penny now.

I can already see the U.S seafood industry and the wildlife going down the toilet. Pretty awful.

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[quote=GMScud;697412]They're saying that the oil slick is now the size of Puerto Rico, and it could very well be the worst ecological disaster in the nation's history. Oh man. This is so terrible. It really almost makes me want to cry.

[B]I also read somewhere this morning that worst case scenario it could take up to 90 days to cap the oil geyser.[/B] This thing is going to devastate industries along the gulf coasts.

The cleanup is going to take years. :([/quote]

I can't even imagine how much damage it will cause if it takes that long to get it capped. Unbelievable.

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Yeah, it is really really sad actually.

I could get very political with this, but I am just saddened by the ecological impact this will have on the gulf. Its surprise no one seems to care about this, in that Tiger Woods gets more media coverage.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;697429]For you guys that like seafood, keep in mind that Gulf stream seafood is probably going to cost a pretty penny now.

I can already see the U.S seafood industry and the wildlife going down the toilet. Pretty awful.[/quote]

It will bring the seafood business to a stop in the golf and drive up prices else where.

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[quote=hooskins;697543]Yeah, it is really really sad actually.

I could get very political with this, but I am just saddened by the ecological impact this will have on the gulf. Its surprise no one seems to care about this, in that Tiger Woods gets more media coverage.[/quote]

The news was all over this all weekend. There really was not but so much to report because the oil has not really made land fall yet.

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Not sure what news you're watching or reading hooskins, but this has been big news.

TMZ is not a news source by the way ;)

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As for the news:
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s//ap/us_gulf_oil_spill]BP says it will pay for Gulf spill's cleanup - Yahoo! News[/url]

I think this is a good recap of everything going on to try to stop the gusher and why it's so hard. It sounds like, at least for now, everyone is on the same page to try and end the leak and minimize the damage. It says that if this next approach (which will take 7-10 days) doesn't work, it could be up to 90 days to get the relief well drilled.
no words can explain how awful that will be. Everyone needs to be focused on getting this shell pump or whatever up and working.

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Sure BP will "pay the bill" for the cleanup, but that bill is going to be passed on to the consumer in many different ways.

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^^ all too true.

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[quote=Mattyk;697588]Sure BP will "pay the bill" for the cleanup, but that bill is going to be passed on to the consumer in many different ways.[/quote]
While that is probably true if wall street does not freak out and bid up the price of oil it will be harder for BP to increase its prices to pay for this.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;697429]For you guys that like seafood, keep in mind that Gulf stream seafood is probably going to cost a pretty penny now.

I can already see the U.S seafood industry and the wildlife going down the toilet. Pretty awful.[/quote]

If this works its way around the Florida Keys and up the east coast like some say it might, it will have a seriously damaging effect on vacations/tourism to beaches as summer approaches. Memorial Day weekend and July 4th weekend could be seriously affected

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I was in Clearwater Beach a few weeks ago, man if those beaches end up ruined I'm going to be seriously bummed. Such a nice area.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697376]Getting worse, I don't think we can stop this. It appears the leak is increasing in severity by the day. The spill tripled in size in 2 days. There are 10's of millions of barrells of oil in the deposit they were tapping. This is some history making stuff. 2,000 years from now this will be America's lasting legacy. The modern day Tower of Babel. The consequences of man trying to play god. It's time we reevaluate everything. [B]God don't like ugly I blame Arizona forn this curse[/B].[/quote]

Do you also blame Arizona for the floods in Ten. and the attempted bombing in NY? I guess Tiger Woods not making the cut this weekend was also racest and to be blamed on Arizona.

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[quote=Mattyk;697632]I was in Clearwater Beach a few weeks ago, man if those beaches end up ruined I'm going to be seriously bummed. Such a nice area.[/quote]

I live five minutes from the beach, and at this time of year I'm there almost every weekend. Won't be the same if I can't go

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[quote=Mattyk;697541]I can't even imagine how much damage it will cause if it takes that long to get it capped. Unbelievable.[/quote]

One would think they'd have emergency capping system at the bottom of the sea. I guess simply sticking in a drill is cheaper.

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[quote=saden1;697662]One would think they'd have emergency capping system at the bottom of the sea. I guess simply sticking in a drill is cheaper.[/quote]

You know they did, and the emergency system failed. I imagine the new regulations will call for a redundant fail safe. And that would be a good thing, especially when you are nearly a mile under water.


Side note: the USAF A-10 warthog was an ugly looking, but very effective tank killer. The reason it was so effective is because it was super redundant, it could lose half the airplane systems, and one of its two engines and still complete the mission. Clearly expensive, but worth it. Same would be true with any emergency system that is the only stop to a disaster of this magnitude.