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Niiiccccccceeeeee.

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[quote=Schneed10;699044]Just stop, moron. #1, you're making shit up, you have no idea what happened. #2, you're blaming the victim of an alleged crime, which makes no sense at all.[/quote]


again with the name calling............

1) what if he's correct?

2)Duke LX.....everyone jumped on those kids becuase it was Duke and what happen?

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[quote=SmootSmack;699058]It sounds like the allegations of getting beat and being forced to have sex with LT happened pretty close together. I didn't get the impression that she was beaten and then several days passed before the LT incident.

If the allegations are indeed true, the biggest child in all of this is Lawrence Taylor. At 51 years old, you should be able to act like a responsible adult and know right from wrong. Sadly, Taylor's never shown that ability[/quote]


As I said before I'm just going with the story as it is but it just seems really strange.......somethings just aren't making any sense.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;699060]What is LT doing getting a hooker in New York? Go to Vegas where the girls are tested for diseases and most likely much hotter then some random 16 year old girl brought to you by a pimp. Man this sucks though. I like LT.

It is an odd double standard though, assuming this was consensual. When I was 16 I would have loved to hook up with a cougar. It's like that South Park episode where the young kid hooks up with a Teacher and the cops hand him a "luckiest boy in America" medal.

However when a guy is the older participant people seem much more likely to get up in arms. Ironically I'm one of those people, for some reason I feel really weird about it when it's a girl thats underage but if it's a guy I feel like finding him and telling him how great he is.[/quote]

Gotta love double standards, America is full of them. Kinda annoys you when if the sexes were flipped, the 51 year old woman would get probation.

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[quote=Giantone;699096]again with the name calling............

1) what if he's correct?

2)Duke LX.....everyone jumped on those kids becuase it was Duke and what happen?[/quote]

Come on man, if this was Dexter Manley and we were at a Giants board, the same thing would be happening. Just gotta roll with the punches.

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I will say that ignorance is not an excuse. LT is being charged with having sex with a juvenile under the age of 17 which is a class 3 Felony. Unless he can prove she had an ID saying she was older it will be hard for him to win his case.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;699060]What is LT doing getting a hooker in New York? Go to Vegas where the girls are tested for diseases and most likely much hotter then some random 16 year old girl brought to you by a pimp. Man this sucks though. I like LT.

It is an odd double standard though, assuming this was consensual. When I was 16 I would have loved to hook up with a cougar. It's like that South Park episode where the young kid hooks up with a Teacher and the cops hand him a "luckiest boy in America" medal.

However when a guy is the older participant people seem much more likely to get up in arms. Ironically I'm one of those people, for some reason I feel really weird about it when it's a girl thats underage but if it's a guy I feel like finding him and telling him how great he is.[/quote]


You are right about it being a double standard, but if the male is the younger participant it isn't viewed as being so bad if bad at all. The reason is that a young male is looking to get laid, while a young girl if anything is looking for love. Males give love to get sex, females sex to get love around age 16. I know that has changed somewhat with the young women, but it still is the same. Plus, when do you ever here of a younger male getting raped by a woman?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;699109] Plus, when do you ever here of a younger male getting raped by a woman?[/quote]

Of course no one hears about it because the media or male victim doesn't want to report it. All a female needs to do to pull off a successful is get a male in a state where he cannot fight back in a reasonable manner and the tables are in the female's favor to do what she wants.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;699124]Of course no one hears about it because the media or male victim doesn't want to report it. All a female needs to do to pull off a successful is get a male in a state where he cannot fight back in a reasonable manner and the tables are in the female's favor to do what she wants.[/quote]


Yeah how though? Drug him or get him drunk? THat usually means the guy can't perform. I am sure there are cases where women rape men, but it is probably like a Basic Instinct type deal where the woman is a psycho and wants to do more than rape the guy.

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[quote=Giantone;699005]Look if he's guilty throw the book and lock him up.All I am saying is if this story is true ...it strikes me as odd that the girl only gets in touch with the uncle ..till after having sex with LT....on the way home,not in any of the weeks before ,not after getting beaten by her "Pimp",and if you were a girls pimp and had to force her to do this (crap)....would you let her have a cell phone?[/quote]
probably wouldn't let her have the phone, but who's to say it's a smart guy? I mean he's beating up a 16 year old girl and forcing her on guys...

she prob didn't get in touch with the uncle beforehand because of being a runaway, didn't want to get caught.. who knows

no need to defend the guy so staunchly at this point

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[quote=SBXVII;699043]Since you seem confused or disturbed by my comment I shall enlighten.

Had the little tramp not ran away to be with said boyfriend (pimp) or thought the grass would be greener away from her family she kinda got what she deserved. I don't condone abuse at all, but had she stayed at home where she should have been, instead of running away from home, she most likely would not have been in this situation and protected....by her family.

Instead she must have thought screw this I'm out I don't have to listen to this, ran away, hooked up with a pimp (either she met him or was introduced to him through a friend), and put herself in this situation. Maybe if kids would take a moment to realize they are not as smart as they think and there are people who are out there willing to take advantage of them any way they can, she might not have been pimped out or abused.

I see it all the time. Kids running away cause they don't like what mommy and daddy are punishing them for. Mostly its bad grades and they aren't going to be told they can't speak or see their boyfriends/girlfriends. Unfortunatly there are a small % that hook up with the wrong people as in this case or hooking up with people through the internet.[/quote]
I get what you're saying, but unless you know her family then who knows how she was better off.

Re: What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;699142]

no need to defend the guy so staunchly at this point[/quote]


.........not defending just asking questions.

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[quote=Ruhskins;699101]Come on man, if this was Dexter Manley and we were at a Giants board, the same thing would be happening. Just gotta roll with the punches.[/quote]


If this were ES then it would be expected.

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[quote=Schneed10;699044]Just stop, moron. #1, you're making shit up, you have no idea what happened. #2, you're blaming the victim of an alleged crime, which makes no sense at all.[/quote]

This.

Amazing how many experts we have here, no need for a trial apparently some have it all figured out. :doh:

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[quote=Mattyk;699195]This.

Amazing how many experts we have here, no need for a trial apparently some have it all figured out. :doh:[/quote]

True. Some people just need to close their mouths, wait for details, then speculate. CWS people!! CWS!!!!

Re: What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?
 

Chicago White Sox?

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Rigth now LT is only guilty of being stupid.

Re: What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;699234]Rigth now LT is only guilty of being stupid.[/quote]

It's sad to see Lawrence (despite his HOF credentials) is going to ultimately be remembered more for his failures than for his accomplishments. You're right, right now the only thing he's guilty of is bad judgement, once all the facts are known that may be all he's found to be guilty of.

Re: What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?
 

That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

He should be thankful that a couple of years in prison, a ruined marriage, and a further damaged reputation is his "worst-case scenario." In my opinion, the man doesn't deserve the air he's breathing.

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man, this is a crazy thread!

I thought I'd just share my personal LT experience; he's from my hometown - Williamsburg, VA. I had a basketball coach in 5th grade that was one of LT's 3 best friends. My football & track coach coached LT & often talked about him. LT gave our program a lot of $, relatively speaking.

During my senior year, 86-7 the year the g-men beat the broncos & LT was mvp of the league I believe, he came to our school to speak. All of us on the football team got to attend, along w/a select group of a couple hundred that were invited, media included.

It was his first time ever talking about his drug addiction. He talked about overcoming his cocaine habit, which he essentially said sprang from having hundreds of dollars in his pocket & being bored, wanting to get the kind of high in the offseason he did from football. He seemed honestly changed to some degree, but was still short of humility. It almost seemed as if he was giving this speech in his hometown to fulfill a career PR obligation. I can't remember his words, but someone asked him about JOey T's leg, which he'd broken a year before. He answered in some crass manner. He seemed more upset about theiseman's leg when it actually happened though, I do remember that.

Anyway, Williamsburg over the years is much less proud of him than we are of Ron Springs and Bruce Hornsby. Not just his behavior, but his often arrogant attitude thereafter has been a turn off to a lot of people. Over the last 10 years or so it seemed he started to grow up. Nonetheless, this shouldn't surprise many people that are sports fans & familiar w/him.

Re: What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;699362]That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.[/quote]

Are those facts?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;699362]That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

He should be thankful that a couple of years in prison, a ruined marriage, and a further damaged reputation is his "worst-case scenario." In my opinion, the man doesn't deserve the air he's breathing.[/quote]

Let me be the first to say I don't like LT. Didn't when he was a player and I still don't. He was a great player though.

Having said that, while not trying to defend him, how would you feel if you went out to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch and had sex with a girl whom you were informed was 19y/o. Then within a matter of hours your being arrested cause in actuallity she was 16 and it's a Felony to have sex with some under 17?

Don't get me wrong I agree that any married man should not be seeking this kind of servatude. All I can say is I thought most everyone else was in the same boat as me or thought the same way as me when it came to sex. I'm lucky to see it once a month, while others are still going at it twice a day. I was on a 3 month dry spell and I was shocked at how some people are doing so much better then myself and they were shocked at how bad off my situation was even while being married.

So basically I'm not going to judge LT in regards to his seeking relief outside of whatever type of relationship he has ( I thought his wife left him). The law is the law. Did he have sex with a minor? yes. Does the law state he has to know she is underage? no. Maybe this case will change the law up there maybe not. But I'll say it doesn't sound fair when he might have asked the young lady how old she was and she was instructed by her pimp to say she was 19.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/07/report-lts-alleged-victim-said-she-was-19/]Report: LT's alleged victim said she was 19 | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

LT Lawyer does admit ignorance is not an excuse....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/07/lts-lawyer-acknowledges-ignorance-of-age-is-no-defense-sets-up-clintonesque-defense/]L.T.'s lawyer acknowledges ignorance of age is no defense, sets up Clintonesque defense | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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a commenter on the PFT Girl said she was 19 story:

[QUOTE]I'm, frankly, more concerned that TMZ is able to gain access to FBI documents.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

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[quote=GusFrerotte;699135]Yeah how though? Drug him or get him drunk? THat usually means the guy can't perform. I am sure there are cases where women rape men, but it is probably like a Basic Instinct type deal where the woman is a psycho and wants to do more than rape the guy.[/quote]Oh, she can manipulate the "powers of authority" so it appears that the guy has no credibility. If the female going to get on guy no matter what and thus will not heed a verbal refusal, force is not an option for him unless he wants to suffer the consequences of the law and/or ostracization from his acquaintances.

The parasympathetic nervous system plays a large part in erections. One can say "yes" or "no" consciously, but that doesn't guarantee immunity from erection if the woman knows what parts or areas to stimulate and how to stimulate them. A google search of "women raping men" (w/o the quotes) pulls a media report in which rubbing lotion on a guy's umm thingy was a technique used and another [URL="http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18595822/detail.html#-"]report[/URL] where a woman allegedly raped a guy by drugging him.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;699426]Oh, she can manipulate the "powers of authority" so it appears that the guy has no credibility. If the female going to get on guy no matter what and thus will not heed a verbal refusal, force is not an option for him unless he wants to suffer the consequences of the law and/or ostracization from his acquaintances.

The parasympathetic nervous system plays a large part in erections. One can say "yes" or "no" consciously, but that doesn't guarantee immunity from erection if the woman knows what parts or areas to stimulate and how to stimulate them. A google search of [B]"women raping men"[/B] (w/o the quotes) pulls a media report in which rubbing lotion on a guy's umm thingy was a technique used and another [URL="http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18595822/detail.html#-"]report[/URL] where a woman allegedly raped a guy by drugging him.[/quote]

Niiiccccceeeeee.

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[quote=SBXVII;699434]Niiiccccceeeeee.[/quote]
It's doubtful sexual intercourse is nice when one is not saying yes. And if one does says yes to sex, then that means it is consensual, which by implication contradicts one of the constituent properties of rape; namely, the victim did not want to have the intercourse.

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[quote=skinsfan69;699234]Rigth now LT is only guilty of being stupid.[/quote]

Yeah maybe but as a Giant fan I've had it.I'm 54 years old and I know I'm getting older but ask my kids I just don't put up with the BS I use to and this is BS.On the Giants site I'm on I've made the suggestion that we "unretire "#56 and retire #53.We can talk football and I will defend him till I die ...he was the best ...ever so far but off the field ...damn man enough is enough,it's almost like he thinks well I'm LT and it's ok for me.Look what has happen is wrong on all levels all I was doing is asking some questions becuase the story ...at least to me doesn't sound right.

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[quote=SBXVII;699407]Let me be the first to say I don't like LT. Didn't when he was a player and I still don't. He was a great player though.

Having said that, while not trying to defend him, how would you feel if you went out to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch and had sex with a girl whom you were informed was 19y/o. Then within a matter of hours your being arrested cause in actuallity she was 16 and it's a Felony to have sex with some under 17?

Don't get me wrong I agree that any married man should not be seeking this kind of servatude. All I can say is I thought most everyone else was in the same boat as me or thought the same way as me when it came to sex. I'm lucky to see it once a month, while others are still going at it twice a day. I was on a 3 month dry spell and I was shocked at how some people are doing so much better then myself and they were shocked at how bad off my situation was even while being married.

So basically I'm not going to judge LT in regards to his seeking relief outside of whatever type of relationship he has ( I thought his wife left him). The law is the law. Did he have sex with a minor? yes. Does the law state he has to know she is underage? no. Maybe this case will change the law up there maybe not. But I'll say it doesn't sound fair when he might have asked the young lady how old she was and she was instructed by her pimp to say she was 19.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/07/report-lts-alleged-victim-said-she-was-19/]Report: LT's alleged victim said she was 19 | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

LT Lawyer does admit ignorance is not an excuse....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/07/lts-lawyer-acknowledges-ignorance-of-age-is-no-defense-sets-up-clintonesque-defense/]L.T.'s lawyer acknowledges ignorance of age is no defense, sets up Clintonesque defense | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]


I've really avoided trying to get into the debate with people, because I dont want to seem like I'm defending anything that even remotley has to do with rape....but I agree 100% with this. Again, ASSUMING everything is fact, is LT a scumbag, probaboly (but we knew that already), but I think its unfair that he's now labeled a rapist. I would think the "pimp" would be the one who should fry.

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[quote=Buster;699231]Chicago White Sox?[/quote]

CLOSE mouths (C) Wait on details (W) Speculate (S)

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81801f5f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Authorities: Taylor says he engaged in 'sex acts' with 16-year-old girl[/url]

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Giants fans must be so proud of Lawrence Taylor and Dave Meggett

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[quote=SBXVII;699407]Let me be the first to say I don't like LT. Didn't when he was a player and I still don't. He was a great player though.

Having said that, while not trying to defend him, how would you feel if you went out to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch and had sex with a girl whom you were informed was 19y/o. Then within a matter of hours your being arrested cause in actuallity she was 16 and it's a Felony to have sex with some under 17?

Don't get me wrong I agree that any married man should not be seeking this kind of servatude. All I can say is I thought most everyone else was in the same boat as me or thought the same way as me when it came to sex. I'm lucky to see it once a month, while others are still going at it twice a day. I was on a 3 month dry spell and I was shocked at how some people are doing so much better then myself and they were shocked at how bad off my situation was even while being married.

So basically I'm not going to judge LT in regards to his seeking relief outside of whatever type of relationship he has ( I thought his wife left him). The law is the law. Did he have sex with a minor? yes. Does the law state he has to know she is underage? no. Maybe this case will change the law up there maybe not. But I'll say it doesn't sound fair when he might have asked the young lady how old she was and she was instructed by her pimp to say she was 19.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/07/report-lts-alleged-victim-said-she-was-19/]Report: LT's alleged victim said she was 19 | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

LT Lawyer does admit ignorance is not an excuse....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/07/lts-lawyer-acknowledges-ignorance-of-age-is-no-defense-sets-up-clintonesque-defense/]L.T.'s lawyer acknowledges ignorance of age is no defense, sets up Clintonesque defense | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

First of all, let me say that i am insulted by the fact that you would just assume i would go to vegas and have sex with some random girl. i would not. I am married. I love my wife and i would never cheat on her. Even if i weren't married, i wouldnt engage in that sort of behavior.

I beleive that everyone has the right to live their life the way they want to live it. however, if they choose to engage in risky, "scumbag" behavior, then they need to be prepared for the potential consequences of their actions. one of the potential consequences of having sex with random strangers and prostitutes is that they could lie about their age. its a risk. if someone doesn't want to accept that risk, then they should avoid having sex with random strangers and prostitutes. you might not think that it's fair, but in my opinion it is entirely fair. since there are so many scumbags out there, laws need to be in place to punish those who break them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;699396]Are those facts?[/quote]

Yes, atleast that's what's been reported.

Re: What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?
 

Facts and allegations are two different things.

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[quote=SmootSmack;699774]Giants fans must be so proud of Lawrence Taylor and Dave Meggett[/quote]

What happened to Dave Meggett?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;699826]What happened to Dave Meggett?[/quote]

Legal Troubles

In 1990, while with the Giants, Meggett was also charged with lewdness after allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover Baltimore police officer[1]; he was later found not guilty of those charges.[2] In 1995, he was charged with assaulting a former girlfriend; the charges were dropped.[3] Meggett was released by the New England Patriots in 1998 after being accused of sexually assaulting and robbing a prostitute in a Toronto hotel room[4]; the sexual assault charge was later dropped by prosecutors.[5] He was again accused of sexual assault in June 2001 in Charleston, South Carolina by a woman that he met in a bar.[6] In 2004, Meggett surrendered to Dedham, Massachusetts authorities for failing to produce $191,600 that he owed in child support.

On September 1, 2006, he was formally charged with the Second Degree Rape of his girlfriend.[7] A month later, amid the charges, he resigned his post as the parks and recreation director of Robersonville, North Carolina. He was convicted of sexual battery and given two years probation in the case.[8]

In September 2008, he was charged with third-degree criminal sexual conduct after a 17-year-old North Charleston woman accused him of raping her.[9]

Meggett was again arrested on January 13, 2009, by police in North Charleston, SC, this time on charges of First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct and Burglary. He was taken into custody when he showed up at the hospital where his victim was receiving treatment.[10] Both arrests put him in violation of his probation in the 2006 rape charges; North Carolina authorities have been notified.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Meggett#Legal_Troubles]Dave Meggett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;699824]Facts and allegations are two different things.[/quote]

true, but none of us know the facts about anything don't witness directly with our own eyes. and taylor did admit to pretty much everything before finding out that the girl was 16. i dont see any reason to doubt the main points of the allegations.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;699834]true, but none of us know the facts about anything don't witness directly with our own eyes. and taylor did admit to pretty much everything before finding out that the girl was 16. i dont see any reason to doubt the main points of the allegations.[/quote]

Did you know he admitted to some of these allegations (I don't think he's said anything about giving the girl a black eye) before you called them facts?

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[quote=SmootSmack;699838]Did you know he admitted to some of these allegations (I don't think he's said anything about giving the girl a black eye) before you called them facts?[/quote]

taylor never said anything about giving the girl a black eye, so i dont know where you got that from. in fact, the initial allegations even went out of the way to say he was not responsible for the black eye. from the beginning, taylors comments have pretty closely alligned to the allegations.

its not like the rothlesberger situations where there was alot of he said/she said. this is about as "open and shut" as they come. both "sides" agree that taylor, a married man, paid to engage in some form of sexual contact with a 16 year old girl who had a black eye at the time. taylor's laywers may dispute what he knew when, but those issues really aren't relevant. since everyone is agreeing on the main points, i have no reason to not beleive that they are factual.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;699844]taylor never said anything about giving the girl a black eye, so i dont know where you got that from. in fact, the initial allegations even went out of the way to say he was not responsible for the black eye.[/quote]

You said:

[I]That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + [B]Black eye[/B] = Scumbag.[/I]