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If the nfl & players assoc. come up w/a rookie pay scale similar to the nba, don't be surprised if they call it the "JaMarcus rule." This guy is the poster child for the risk & systemic flaws of having a high draft pick. It may be hard to feel sorry for the raiders usually, but you kinda have to feel for them on this one.

I actually also feel sorry for JaMarcus. I know it's ultimately his fault he's fat & doesn't work hard, but he didn't make the raiders pick him at #1. He obviously was not ready for what he was getting into & he made it worse by not taking care of himself. I wondered if he was smart enough to be a qb the first time I heard him interviewed. Now I think the answer is no, he's not. Again, not his fault there, he can only make himself so much smarter.

I read somewhere that a raiders coach (or someone like that) said that it was sad how his family was such a bad influence on him. I don't ever recall hearing that about a player's family. It must be pretty bad for someone to say that. If it's true that he couldn't handle the bad influences around him, that's sad in itself, but worse if it's his family.

I wouldn't mind JaMarcus in b&g, but not as a qb. The only position I think he could transition to is a fullback/TE/H-back. Given time & coaching he might develop into a decent player in a role where the spotlight isn't on him. Don't get me wrong, his chances of making any team in any role seem very bleak at the moment.

Right now I agree w/Matty, he might be better off taking a year to train.

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We've all seen guys (both players and coaches) find success with their 2nd (or even 3rd) team after failing early. But I can't ever remember a highly drafted QB coming back after failing early to have any sort of significant NFL career (McCown, Couch, Smith, Ware, etc)

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Ultimately, he has to decide that he wants to play football again, and decide before it's undeniably too late. -some would argue it already is-. I compare him to our BMW, but OL is a far different animal then QB and it just seems impossible that he will decide to make the changes needed in time to turn his career around.

I can't see why ANY team would take him, but you figure one will try it, if he is willing to play for a major pay cut.

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Ryan Leaf got a 2nd chance, so I have to imagine JR will get one at some point.

There definitely needs to be a rookie payscale. It's just insane the amount of money these unproven rooks get. And you have to wonder how much the $$ part of things plays into some of these guys busting. There's no carrot for them to chase, they're instant multi-millionaires without putting in an ounce of work at the NFL level.

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The thing is, given the feud between Shanahan and Al Davis, it would probably be a bit tempting on some level for MS to take Davis' former first round pick and turn him into a starting caliber QB.

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It will never happen. JaMarcus doesnt appear to even have the ability. Failed QB's that enjoy a career re-surgance usually have good basic skills, coupled with a good team that can mask their deficiencies. The best example i can think of is Trent Green. He was mediocre at best, but finally found success with Kansas City's punishing running game, and at-that-time brilliant offensive playcalling...he had a good base set of skills to thrive on a great team.

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It doesnt seem like Russell really cares about playing professional football. I think he's happy having gotten paid an obscene amount of money. If ever decides he wants to play football again, the AFL might be his only option (does it even still exist?). I dont think he could make a CFL or UFL roster.

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There are guys who really care about football and want to be one of the best. They really get off on the game. There are guys who only want to be rich. I think Russell falls in the latter category.

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darrenrovell1

Bodog Jamarcus Russell's next team odds: Cardinals 3/1, Bills 7/2, Jaguars 4/1, Miami 6/1, Bengals 7/1, 49ers 15/2, Titans 8/1, CFL 10/1

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Shame because the guy has the physical tools to be one of the greatest ever. Can't make someone like football though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;699247]We've all seen guys (both players and coaches) find success with their 2nd (or even 3rd) team after failing early. But I can't ever remember a highly drafted QB coming back after failing early to have any sort of significant NFL career (McCown, Couch, Smith, Ware, etc)[/quote]

Good point, especially the #1 overall. The only guy I can think of that fits the bill is Tommy Maddox, who was I believe eas a late 1st round pick by Denver, but years later had some success w/Pitt.

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This might be the best thing for Russell. He needs to be humbled. It just seems that he wasn't mature enough to handle the responsibility that comes w/ being a starting NFL QB. He needed another year in school. But it's hard to blame him when he was going to be a top 5 pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;699255]Ryan Leaf got a 2nd chance, so I have to imagine JR will get one at some point.

There definitely needs to be a rookie payscale. It's just insane the amount of money these unproven rooks get. And you have to wonder how much the $$ part of things plays into some of these guys busting. There's no carrot for them to chase, they're instant multi-millionaires without putting in an ounce of work at the NFL level.[/quote]

So did Heath Shuler. I agree, someone will pick him up.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;699294]It will never happen. JaMarcus doesnt appear to even have the ability. Failed QB's that enjoy a career re-surgance usually have good basic skills, coupled with a good team that can mask their deficiencies. The best example i can think of is Trent Green. He was mediocre at best, but finally found success with Kansas City's punishing running game, and at-that-time brilliant offensive playcalling...he had a good base set of skills to thrive on a great team.[/quote]

The ability is there, the guy has a big time arm. The mental part and the committment to working is what isn't there.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;699289]The thing is, given the feud between Shanahan and Al Davis, it would probably be a bit tempting on some level for MS to take Davis' former first round pick and turn him into a starting caliber QB.[/quote]

IF we never got McNabb and were looking at a Grossman/Brennan/Bartel depth chart...then maybe it would be a risk he'd take.

Not going to happen now though.

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Russell replaces Ryan Leaf as a the Gold Standard for draft busts.

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[quote=SouperMeister;699408]Russell replaces Ryan Leaf as a the Gold Standard for draft busts.[/quote]

no doubt about it.

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[quote=Riggo44;699102]Because then what would happen to #15:confused-[/quote]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in for an extra arm for mini-camps and Training camp. And if #15 can't beat out Russell in those camps/preseason, then he doesnt deserve to play for us anyway. Im actually a big fan of #15 but id let the best man win.

Jimbo Fisher (with LSU with Russell and now of Florida State fame) said he was a smart player, would go up to the line with 3-4 audibles. And that same performance is what made him an overall #1 pick in the 1st place. Who the hell was Russell's offensive coordinators in Oakland? Greg Knapp? Who? And last year they DIDNT EVEN HAVE an offensive coordinator. If you watch sum lowlights of the raiders last season, theres like 3 receivers in the same area on MOST plays. OF COURSE your gon throw interceptions if you let the defense cover everyone with less men, if all the receivers go to the same zone.

All im sayin is Brennan is turning 27 in August. Thats pretty old for a developmental QB. Jamarcus is two years younger, and Donovan McNabb LOVES tutoring african american quarterbacks. Not to mention, the Shanahan's are PHENOMENAL offensive coordinators So if Russell could beat out Brennan (needs to get in shape, attitude towards being good), then so be it. LONG LIVE COMPETITION~

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;699086]Vet min & learn under DM, i don't see it happening but if the FO thought it was a good thing i would support it.

HTTR.[/quote]


Hell no!!!!!!!! We would be better served signing up Gus Frerotte than Russell!!!!

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[quote=PHazard;699491]I wouldn't mind bringing him in for an extra arm for mini-camps and Training camp. And if #15 can't beat out Russell in those camps/preseason, then he doesnt deserve to play for us anyway. Im actually a big fan of #15 but id let the best man win.

Jimbo Fisher (with LSU with Russell and now of Florida State fame) said he was a smart player, would go up to the line with 3-4 audibles. And that same performance is what made him an overall #1 pick in the 1st place. Who the hell was Russell's offensive coordinators in Oakland? Greg Knapp? Who? And last year they DIDNT EVEN HAVE an offensive coordinator. If you watch sum lowlights of the raiders last season, theres like 3 receivers in the same area on MOST plays. OF COURSE your gon throw interceptions if you let the defense cover everyone with less men, if all the receivers go to the same zone.

All im sayin is Brennan is turning 27 in August. Thats pretty old for a developmental QB. Jamarcus is two years younger, and Donovan McNabb LOVES tutoring african american quarterbacks. Not to mention, the Shanahan's are PHENOMENAL offensive coordinators So if Russell could beat out Brennan (needs to get in shape, attitude towards being good), then so be it. LONG LIVE COMPETITION~[/quote]


IF Brennan can't beat Russell in camp that would be extremely sad at this point. THen it would be Frerotte>Russell>Brennan. Pretty dam pathetic if your scenario goes down. Frerotte would be better than our 3rd string QB and the last time I heard he is at home. In short, we would be better served in bringing Frerotte back than Russell.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699225]Ok, one of the guys on Sirius NFL now is making the case for JaMarcus coming to learn under Shanahan/McNabb and be our 3rd stringer. I just don't buy it.[/quote]


The guy is lazy, that is why he is overweight and has been a failure at QB. I am joking about bringing Gus back, but damn to be honest, Frerotte did way more with less than Russell ever will. Learning a new offense isn't going to help Russell, he needs an exorcism of sorts, namely his attitude. Maybe I shouldn't be joking about bringing Gus back. If he was 5-6 years younger it actually would be a decent idea.

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I don't want this lazy dude on our team. We are good on FBs and I don't think he can play on the line. As far as QB that is not what we need.

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39 million? I mean come on. I am damn near 40 years old, my shoulder is shot, never played a down of QB in my life (unless you want to count Jr. High in practice a few snaps) but for that much money I would at the facility damn near 16 hours a day studying and practicing. It just makes you shake your head a say what a waste. Good riddance to him. I cant see him making another team. I am sure he is broke so I hope he learned something in college for him to work. If not I will see you at McDonalds.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;699575]I don't want this lazy dude on our team. We are good on FBs and I don't think he can play on the line. [B]As far as QB that is not what we need.[/B][/quote]

How long have we waited for someone to say that?

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[quote=Stuck in TX;699615]How long have we waited for someone to say that?[/quote]

A longgggg time!!! It feels good. Shanny and Mcnabb can't get this guy to play either.

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russell may still have a job if not for mcnabb getting traded.

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[quote=skinsfan69;699667]russell may still have a job if not for mcnabb getting traded.[/quote]
Even someone as bad as Sexy Rexy still has an edge over vending machine raider JaMarcus.

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[quote=PHazard;699491]I wouldn't mind bringing him in for an extra arm for mini-camps and Training camp. And if #15 can't beat out Russell in those camps/preseason, then he doesnt deserve to play for us anyway. Im actually a big fan of #15 but id let the best man win.

Jimbo Fisher (with LSU with Russell and now of Florida State fame) said he was a smart player, would go up to the line with 3-4 audibles. And that same performance is what made him an overall #1 pick in the 1st place. Who the hell was Russell's offensive coordinators in Oakland? Greg Knapp? Who? And last year they DIDNT EVEN HAVE an offensive coordinator. If you watch sum lowlights of the raiders last season, theres like 3 receivers in the same area on MOST plays. OF COURSE your gon throw interceptions if you let the defense cover everyone with less men, if all the receivers go to the same zone.

All im sayin is Brennan is turning 27 in August. Thats pretty old for a developmental QB. Jamarcus is two years younger, and [B]Donovan McNabb LOVES tutoring african american quarterbacks. [/B]Not to mention, the Shanahan's are PHENOMENAL offensive coordinators So if Russell could beat out Brennan (needs to get in shape, attitude towards being good), then so be it. LONG LIVE COMPETITION~[/quote]

He's said this?

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No SS, you have to assume black QB will only tutor their own race. Otherwise they will protest in disgust.

Same applies for white QBs.

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I cant find the article where he said that African American QB's are a rare breed and he wants to keep it strong. It was a few years ago. But think about it, he helped lobby to bring Michael Vick to the Eagles when no one else would give him a chance. Even tho they played in the same division, he said he talked to Jason Campbell numerous times mentoring him with no other connections besides the fact they are african american quarterbacks. There are a few other examples. im not sayin McNabb is anti-white lol im just sayin this has always been his nature.

PS it sounds a little bit better on paper if we get a 4th round pick from 2012 AND Jamarcus Russell for Jason Campbell without JR's huge contract lol

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[quote=PHazard;699916]I cant find the article where he said that African American QB's are a rare breed and he wants to keep it strong. It was a few years ago. But think about it, he helped lobby to bring Michael Vick to the Eagles when no one else would give him a chance. Even tho they played in the same division, he said he talked to Jason Campbell numerous times mentoring him with no other connections besides the fact they are african american quarterbacks. There are a few other examples. im not sayin McNabb is anti-white lol im just sayin this has always been his nature.

PS it sounds a little bit better on paper if we get a 4th round pick from 2012 AND Jamarcus Russell for Jason Campbell without JR's huge contract lol[/quote]

I think people take his quote out of context when he describes African American QB's. I think he is saying that to have a black QB who is a true QB, like a drop back passer, is rare. There are plenty of talented black QB's that are Kordell Stewart type players, ie 'slash", but there aren't many black QB's like Donovan. I think he means the pure passer type QB is rare among African Americans.

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Shutdown Corner Mon May 10, 2010 8:33 am EDT

Russell as a Raider, in one handy stat: $100,000 per completion
By MJD

As he seeks an employment situation better than the one he had in Oakland (pro: the possibly deranged owner really believed in him; con: everything else), I really don't want to pile on JaMarcus Russell(notes).

But Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times went to the trouble of crunching JaMarcus's financial numbers alongside his actual on-field production. So, just as one final recap of the mercifully dead JaMarcus Russell era in Oakland, I'll pass these along. Here's how JaMarcus was compensated for his production with the Oakland Raiders:

[SIZE="6"][SIZE="5"][B]Roughly $100,000 per completion and $5.6 million per win. [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE]

For comparison's sake, Tom Brady's(notes) total salary last year was $8,007,280, which comes out to $21,583 per completion. Peyton Manning(notes) pocketed $14,005,720 last year, and made $35,638 per completion. They're all ridiculous numbers, but no one's are more ridiculous than those of JaMarcus Russell.

Farmer also suggests that Russell was a bigger bust than even Ryan Leaf, but I'll defend JaMarcus on that one. Leaf is head and shoulders above JaMarcus. If the Hall of Fame ever opens a special wing for the biggest draft disasters, it will be named the Ryan Leaf Center for Scaring The Bejeezus Out Of All Future Draft Prospects.

In total, Russell will pocket more than $39 million for his three years of work in Oakland. He's already been paid $36 million of that, and the Raiders still owe him $3 million more.

But that's the past. What's important for JaMarcus is the future, and I'm sure that someone will give him another opportunity, along with a more stable, positive work environment. He's got some changes he needs to make on his own, too.

The upside is that all of this provides him with the opportunity to become the greatest draft-bust-finds-redemption story ever. Maybe it's not quite the same opportunity he had as a first-overall draft pick, but it's something.

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Is JaMarcus related to Portis or Haynesworth, or both?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;699921]I think people take his quote out of context when he describes African American QB's. I think he is saying that to have a black QB who is a true QB, like a drop back passer, is rare. There are plenty of talented black QB's that are Kordell Stewart type players, ie 'slash", but there aren't many black QB's like Donovan. I think he means the pure passer type QB is rare among African Americans.[/quote]

The Skins were the first & only team to win with an African American QB & hopefully we will be the second. Other than the color of their skin they have something else in common...............CLASS