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I hate seeing one of our guys implicated with hgh use.

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If it turns out one of our players used HGH he should ask for a refund it made him worse.

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[quote=SmootSmack;701873]winner winner chicken dinner[/quote]

wow this really sucks, kind of makes sense with the story and time line. any ideas of when it will become public, and any rumors of what the penalty might be?

and mredskins winner winner chicken dinner is from tin cup ;)

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;701924]I hate seeing one of our guys implicated with hgh use.[/quote]

No doubt, just hope he doesn't pull some lame ass excuse like Cushing.

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[quote=warpaint;701928]No doubt, just hope he doesn't pull some lame ass excuse like Cushing.[/quote]

this sounds a bit more serious than cushing. i feel whomever it is has to come clean this is a federal case with receipts

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Until there's a name linked to it, I don't really care.

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[quote=mlmdub130;701932]this sounds a bit more serious than cushing. i feel whomever it is has to come clean this is a federal case with receipts[/quote]

Why is he looking at charges or something?

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[quote=SmootSmack;701873]winner winner chicken dinner[/quote]


Oh god not him!

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J[quote=warpaint;701907]I would never think of Santana as the type to use PED's. That just shows how much someone would do to stay on top. Thats if this is true. Hopefully it turns out to be ARE .[/quote]

The type of treatment likely administered would be for recovery of injury or surgery
It should be legalized though I can understand the NFL being weary of allowing it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;701913]Not necessarily. From what I know HGH accelerates healing. We lost so many guys for the season and had so many guys sitting out an extra week or two that I find it hard to believe they were using HGH. Then again if we were using HGH and ended up going 4-12 that would make me sick to my stomach. It's like my goodness, we can't even win by cheating.[/quote]
you can still have to rest some games... it's not a miracle treatment

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[quote=tryfuhl;701936]J

The type of treatment likely administered would be for recovery of injury or surgery
It should be legalized though I can understand the NFL being weary of allowing it.[/quote]

Now is this treatment legal in Canada. If so I really dont see anything wrong with cutting edge technology.

Ive had surgery and was given steriods to recover. It could also be the Gov. and big business arent making money so their not going to have that.

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[quote=warpaint;701934]Why is he looking at charges or something?[/quote]

i don't know i just think this seems more serious that cushing. he got popped for a random drug test. whomever this redskins is seems to have been using for a long period of time and still passing the nfl tests. i would think any of these athletes named in this case will be in serious trouble and this case could change the way the nfl test for drugs. from what i have read it seems like the player from washington did hgh over a extended period of time while i would assume he is passing the league drug test, which i would also assume might piss the nfl off. basically just a lot of speculation

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Dr. Galea's Wiki:
[QUOTE]Anthony Galea (age 51) is a Canadian sports medicine specialist. He is a team physician with the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League.[1]

On December 15, 2009 the New York Times and the Associated Press reported that Galea is the subject of a joint investigation by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Buffalo Field Office for allegedly providing elite athletes with performance enhancing drugs,[2] as well as criminal conspiracy.[3] The drugs were Actovegin and human growth hormone.[2] Galea was arrested in Toronto on October 15, 2009 and will face charges.[3]

Galea's confirmed clients include golfer Tiger Woods, Olympic medalists Dara Torres, Mark McCoy and Donovan Bailey,[2] [B]NFL players Javon Walker and Chris Simms[/B],[2] and figure skater Patrick Chan.[4] Major League Baseball players Huston Street and John Patterson have also received treatment from Galea.[5] According to the New York Times, Galea visited Tiger Woods at his Orlando home at least four times in February and March of 2009 to administer a special blood-spinning technique, and that Woods responded well to the treatment.[2]

On February 28, 2010, The New York Times reported that Galea treated New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez in March 2009 and that Rodriguez's rehabilitation from knee surgery was overseen by Dr. Mark Lindsay, an associate of Galea's.[6]

On May 18, 2010, Galea was formally accused of illegally distributing HGH in a criminal complaint filed in Buffalo, New York.[7] The same day, Mike Fish of ESPN reported that Galea criss-crossed the United States during the summer of 2009, treating 23 athletes with a variety of substances, including HGH.[8][/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;701941]Dr. Galea's[B][U] Wiki[/U][/B]:[/quote]

it's wiki, i can update it

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As long as they don't lie to the Feds they should be fine. The real question is when the name is leaked, whether they have to serve a suspension.


Please don't be Orakpo....please...

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[quote=mlmdub130;701944]it's wiki, i can update it[/quote]

true, can you update the [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/sports/15doctor.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2&sq=tiger%20woods&st=cse&scp=2"]NYTimes article[/URL] that is cited in the wiki and mentions the same two players?
[quote]The N.F.L. quarterback Chris Simms and wide receiver Javon Walker swear by him. In March, Dr. Galea arranged for Mr. Walker to have cartilage-replacement surgery on his knee in Jerusalem because the procedure is not approved in the United States or Canada. Mr. Walker said the recovery time was half what it would have been if he had had the procedure doctors recommended in the United States.

“He’s a person who just wants to help and heal,” Walker said. “And the world is going to soon know about him.”[/quote]

everyone knows Wikipedia has its flaws, but it's still a useful quick reference

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;701945]As long as they don't lie to the Feds they should be fine. The real question is when the name is leaked, whether they have to serve a suspension.


[B]Please don't be Orakpo....please...[/B][/quote]

I had that same thought, but it sounds like it's players that were in the NFL in 2007, so that would exclude him.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;701945]As long as they don't lie to the Feds they should be fine. The real question is when the name is leaked, whether they have to serve a suspension.


Please don't be Orakpo....please...[/quote]

from the article in the op [quote]>> The player was treated "on a weekly basis during the season" between Oct. 2007-09[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;701946]true, can you update the [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/sports/15doctor.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2&sq=tiger%20woods&st=cse&scp=2"]NYTimes article[/URL] that is cited in the wiki and mentions the same two players?


everyone knows Wikipedia has its flaws, but it's still a useful quick reference[/quote]

we really need a sarcasm smiley :)

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[quote=mlmdub130;701950]we really need a sarcasm smiley :)[/quote]

:food-smil agreed

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Ok if this player was treated regularly through 2 or 3 seasons can we expect a total expulsion from the NFL or what?

...my first thought was actually London. The man has just played at such a high level for his age it's easy to think of him. On the other hand London is maybe the most honorable guy in the game so no I don't really think it could be him. I could see Tana for sure.

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[quote=mlmdub130;701940]i don't know i just think this seems more serious that cushing. he got popped for a random drug test. whomever this redskins is seems to have been using for a long period of time and still passing the nfl tests. i would think any of these athletes named in this case will be in serious trouble and this case could change the way the nfl test for drugs. from what i have read it seems like the player from washington did hgh over a extended period of time while i would assume he is passing the league drug test, which i would also assume might piss the nfl off. basically just a lot of speculation[/quote]

You are hit the nail on the head there. They are going to try to find out how this guy is passing these drug test. So yes :hitfan:.

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HGH is banned but not tested for, if I understand right the test was considered too intrusive and thus not allowed under the expiring CBA. This may be the watershed case that brings it into the next one.

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[quote=The Goat;701953][B]Ok if this player was treated regularly through 2 or 3 seasons can we expect a total expulsion from the NFL or what? [/B]...my first thought was actually London. The man has just played at such a high level for his age it's easy to think of him. On the other hand London is maybe the most honorable guy in the game so no I don't really think it could be him. I could see Tana for sure.[/quote]

No way this happens cuz, The player will say he had the same treatment Tiger Woods had, basically no evidence of a positive test no way you can get punished.

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omg. I just realized who it is. Malcom Kelly.

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I remember hearing that Malcom Kelly was going to see a doctor in Canada, who would over see his long term maintenance of his knees. He was recommended by Shawn Springs.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;701965]I remember hearing that Malcom Kelly was going to see a doctor in Canada, who would over see his long term maintenance of his knees. He was recommended by Shawn Springs.[/quote]well he's not the one from Oct 07 unless he started in college but wouldn't be surprised

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[quote=tryfuhl;701966]well he's not the one from Oct 07 unless he started in college but wouldn't be surprised[/quote]
Do you ever remember hearing a story like that about Kelly. Maybe Shawn Springs is part of it also.

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[quote=tryfuhl;701966]well he's not the one from Oct 07 unless he started in college but wouldn't be surprised[/quote]
Do you ever remember hearing a story like that about Kelly. Maybe Shawn Springs is part of it also.

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who cares?

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Its gotta be Rocky

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[quote=T.O.Killa;701968]Do you ever remember hearing a story like that about Kelly. Maybe Shawn Springs is part of it also.[/quote]
the whole canada thing is vaguely familiar but I can't find a thing about it tied to kelly.. idk

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[quote=T.O.Killa;701968]Do you ever remember hearing a story like that about Kelly. Maybe Shawn Springs is part of it also.[/quote]

It could be Shawn and he just that dude again in washington. S.SPRINGS has that body type where you can see him getting bigger as the years pass, like Barry Bonds.

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[quote=SmootSmack;701873]winner winner chicken dinner[/quote]

whuz-up?

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was talking to a coworker about this, is hgh use really all that bad for football players? Most players and positions take a pounding on a weekly basis. Fans, coaches, owners, and teammates expect you to play through injuries. The average career is only 2-3 years. If you miss any significant amount of time youre considered washed up. Contracts arnt guaranteed. There is always someone trying to take your job. A minor injury can completely kill your career. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]If you are given the choice between using HGH to come back from injury (or containing a chronic injury) or working at UPS or a car dealership what would you do? I guess it’s a banned substance but maybe the rules should be modified so players can use hgh treatment for injuries.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT]
Also my money is on Kelly. We should have kept Marko.....

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[quote=SmootSmack;701873]winner winner chicken dinner[/quote]
Yeah whats up? You think it is Santana? From what I've known about you is you are normaly right when you make a statement.

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I don't know for sure. Just know that Santana is one guy I've heard rumors about for a long time from credible folk.

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unless Santana has actually tested positive for something, can he suffer any sort of punishment from the league? Yeah, i know this doctor could claim that santana did, but thats just hearsay.

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[quote=SmootSmack;702076]I don't know for sure. Just know that Santana is one guy I've heard rumors about for a long time from credible folk.[/quote]


you da man! we depend on you!!

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[quote=Longtimefan;702097]you da man! we depend on you!![/quote]

Well honestly I don't know much about this particular case at the moment.