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Apparently Phillips stuffed birthday cake in Vick's face...which I've always found is reason enough to get my trigger finger ready.

But anyway, definitely should take a wait and see approach here. Vick probably, as mentioned before, had little to no control over who was on that guest list anyway

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[quote=SmootSmack;709374]Apparently Phillips stuffed birthday cake in Vick's face...which I've always found is reason enough to get my trigger finger ready.

But anyway, definitely should take a wait and see approach here. Vick probably, as mentioned before, had little to no control over who was on that guest list anyway[/quote]

Well Smoot I can't say he didn't have any control over the guest list that's a lie. What usually happens when you throw a b-day party in a CLUB they give you a or the V.I.P. section. So the host has control over that section but not the whole club. So as long as you pay the cover charge anybody can get in the club. It's not like celebes don't advertise they're parties either. I went to D. Hall's b-day bash in ATL when he was a Falcon but i couldn't go his section tho but he ran radio ads for days.

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Doesn't seem like Vick is guilty of anything except for having questionable judgement and being a moron, but what else is new? I'm sure the commish is gonna want to have a little sit down with him.

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[quote=Buster;709333]Regardless if Vick was directly involved, I think he'll be facing a suspension this season over this.

If Goodell is going to be consistent with his recent Roethlisberger punishment, that is.



So this will leave the Eagles with Kolb and Mike Kafka. After being so confident at QB that they could ship McNabb out...they'll be relying solely on Kolb, which is not a given.[/quote]

If Kolb goes down and Vick is suspended then the Eagles front office is to blame. They should've known better to depend of a guy like Vick. I mean I've had b-day parties before and no one brings guns. I bet he gets suspended for not only hanging aroound Phillips but for also hanging around someone that brings a gun to a b-day party. What a dumb ass.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;709379]Well Smoot I can't say he didn't have any control over the guest list that's a lie. What usually happens when you throw a b-day party in a CLUB they give you a or the V.I.P. section. So the host has control over that section but not the whole club. So as long as you pay the cover charge anybody can get in the club. It's not like celebes don't advertise they're parties either. I went to D. Hall's b-day bash in ATL when he was a Falcon but i couldn't go his section tho but he ran radio ads for days.[/quote]

I'm not following you. Are you saying he had control over who got into his party, but not over who got into the club?

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[quote=SmootSmack;709388]I'm not following you. Are you saying he had control over who got into his party, but not over who got into the club?[/quote]

Ya, I think thats it.

Man, am I the only one here that hates, HATES Dirtbag pieces of shit in this sport? The NFL has gotten so perverted by these POS "thugs" and "gangsters", fuckin idiots. The way they act makes me so sick. Ridiculous. I really wish character meant something nowadays, but just like the sport, the more you pay these immature dirtbag pieces of shit from da hood, the more SHIT they are gonna do to embarass themselves and the game. Its just a shame that most of the good athletes have to be from that walk of life, or from that rung on the social ladder that if they get a one hundred dollar bill, they dont know how to act.

Stay True to da hood, homies!!!!!!

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A few years back there was a birthday party for Darnerien McCants. Flyers all over DC. Come celebrate Darnerien McCants birthday at whatever the name of the club was. (I don't even remember.) Join Chris Samuels and Rod Gardner in wishing Darnerien McCants a happy birthday.

DM had nothing to do with any of it. He hung out in the VIP section with several other players and other guests. Occasionally he'd walk around the club.

But the guest list went through me and my buddy. We needed money for a business venture. McCants let us use his name (and the fact it was his birthday) to promote a party and we got a cut of all the money at the door.

All McCants did was show up. He had nothing at all to do with any of the planning. He was just helping me out and the club.

Did that a couple of times. I don't ever remember checking with him who belonged in or out of the club or even the VIP section.

All that said, McCants didn't have any "enemies" such as Vick seems to. So it was considerably easier.

Now I'm not saying Vick's situation was the same because I don't know. All I'm saying is, having dealt with these types of parties before it wouldn't surprise me if Vick really had no idea who was going to be walking through those doors.

However, whoever was in charge-whether it was Vick or some nobody like myself-should have known that Phillips didn't belong there and had the responsibility to see to it that he stayed out (perhaps not with a gun however)

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

SS i get ya, but mike vick shouldnt be at any party or around alcohol period. this should have been drilled into his brain when he was let back in the NFL. im sure it was.

does it take someone getting shot at 2:15 am at a party for vick at a club for vick to realize he cant do any of that stuff if he wants an NFL paycheck.

he appears to be just really dumb with his decisions. personally, after him drowning dogs with his own 2 hands, i hope he just gets banned for life from the nfl. then he can go and do what he wants, probably end up in jail, broke and not in a special segmented area either.

d hall may not be the best sign of how a professional athlete should behave but he had enough sense to not go to the party and he is preparing for the up-coming season.

honestly, i wasnt all that mad at him for the dog thing. i got dogs, love em, but vick did his time. i thought he paid his debt and was happy goodell let him back.

but come on, enough is enough with this dude. if he didnt know he shouldnt attend an alcohol party at a club until 2 am a few days ago, he sure as freak does now.

besides, homie knowingly gives (or atleast gave) girls herpes.

theres just no excuse for his decision to attend a party. have it at your moms house, all proper, bbq, have the uncles and neices and nephews around, take pics and show you are withdrawing and distancing yourself from the image of bling wrapped around dudes necks in their wife beaters while they try and act like they got more money than the next man. that whole scene is a macho look at me joke. most of them dudes rent their jewelry, live in a house with 20 other bamas.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

Mike Vick is comfortable in two environments: the gridiron and this thug element. There's no other way around it. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but the terms of his suspension states "zero tolerance". He upped the ante to 50-50 once he decided to host a birthday party at a night club 40 miles away from the dog incident(s). No, Michael Vick can't control the guest list, but I suppose he can control when and where he decides to party.

I was on probation (during my teen years) and my boys were egging me on to come back to the streets before my probation terminated. Well guess what, they hadn't changed at all and as well intentioned as I was stay to clean, there was no way in hell I was going to roll with the same crew and keep my nose clean. The upshot of the story is I got as far away from D.C. as I could for a few years and righted the ship. It kept my ass out of jail too! LOL

Now you're talking about a dude that had no money to speak of. How much more should a guy like Mike Vick, with $5 mil in the bank, and a lucrative four or five years ahead of him heed the terms of his probation??

He's just flat out immature and weak minded if you ask me.

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[quote=12thMan;709412]He's just flat out immature and weak minded if you ask me.[/quote]Sums it all up right here, agree 100%.

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[url=http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/vick-left-party-3-mins-before-shooting]Vick left party 3 mins before shooting | wavy.com[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;709412]

I was on probation (during my teen years) and my boys were egging me on to come back to the streets before my probation terminated. Well guess what, they hadn't changed at all and as well intentioned as I was stay to clean, there was no way in hell I was going to roll with the same crew and keep my nose clean. The upshot of the story is I got as far away from D.C. as I could for a few years and righted the ship. It kept my ass out of jail too! LOL [/quote]


This shows you are a lot smarter than Michael Vick.

He may not be able to control who is at a club when he is there, but he had a legal obligation to either (1) leave immediately or (2) he could have had the bouncers at the club escort the other 'miscreants' out.

If he stayed, he knowingly violated the terms of his probation and also his terms of reinstatement into the NFL.

I must say, I am really surprised at some of the people on here giving him a pass.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;709692][url=http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/vick-left-party-3-mins-before-shooting]Vick left party 3 mins before shooting | wavy.com[/url][/quote]

That's convenient.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709712]That's convenient.[/quote]

LOL. That's exactly what I said. Plus he's lying to cops (again). He told them in his statement he left long before the shooting occurred (I think he told them 30 mins before).

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

Report: Marcus Vick could be involved in shooting
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 30, 2010 6:36 PM ET
So I went on the Game 102.1 FM in Virginia Beach this afternoon to talk about Michael Vick. Before the segment was over, the hosts (Johnny D. and Bartley Barefoot) proceeded to break some news.

[B]The radio station has sources that Marcus Vick, Michael's brother, was involved in the shooting that took place after Vick's 30th birthday party last Friday morning. It's uncertain what "involved" means here precisely. ESPN's Adam Schefter said earlier on Wednesday that he believes the shooter will turn himself in to authorities soon. [/B]

I was surprised initially to hear the Marcus Vick connection, and couched my response with a lot of "ifs" and "possiblys" regarding the situation. Barefoot had no such equivocation, saying his sources were sure Marcus Vick was involved.

We'll continue to track the story, as will a growing number of national sources. ESPN led their NFL coverage today on air and online with Michael Vick's timeline problem.

The longer this story drags on, the more uncomfortable it grows for Vick, not to mention the Eagles and Roger Goodell.

Vick could really use that shooter to come forward quickly.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

I'm prob one of Vick's biggest fans on the site and I have no support for him now. Just horrible decisions. "Bad association spoils usefull habits"

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

Vick left the club three minutes before the shooting, says the manager of the bar!

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[quote=JPPT1974;710064]Vick left the club three minutes before the shooting, says the manager of the bar![/quote]

Originally he left with WITH Marcus. I was taking the wait and see before condemning him for anything but being stupid, it is starting to not looking good for the Vick family as a whole.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

The whole timing issue is definitely curious. Was he jetting out of there knowing what was about to go down?

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[quote=Mattyk;710087]The whole timing issue is definitely curious. Was he jetting out of there knowing what was about to go down?[/quote]


Curious to say the least. When something like this happens, there's usually so many different stories circulating about it's difficult to guage fact from fiction.

The situation will become clearer when all the facts have been assembled, the bits and pieces become more coherent and form one complete and sensible statement.

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I'd be willing to bet that he knew what was about to go down. Either way if he knew about the shooting or not I hope Mr. Iron Fist comes down hard on Vick. Enough is enoough. How come Vick can't go to a steak house and celebrate his B-day with family and close friends?? He's had so many chances to leave these leaches behind yet he still can't do it.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

The latest news is that Vick has allegedly lied about the timeline, as security camera footage proves that he was there when the shooting happened.

He's lied to Goodell before. Now he has lied again. I think this is it for him.

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[quote=Mechanix544;709404]Ya, I think thats it.

Man, am I the only one here that hates, HATES Dirtbag pieces of shit in this sport? The NFL has gotten so perverted by these POS "thugs" and "gangsters", fuckin idiots. The way they act makes me so sick. Ridiculous. I really wish character meant something nowadays, but just like the sport, the more you pay these immature dirtbag pieces of shit from da hood, the more SHIT they are gonna do to embarass themselves and the game. Its just a shame that most of the good athletes have to be from that walk of life, or from that rung on the social ladder that if they get a one hundred dollar bill, they dont know how to act.

Stay True to da hood, homies!!!!!![/quote]

You have to realize that a lot of guys that come from the hood never get in trouble. It's the media that crams the bad stuff down our throats. For every hood rat or Michael Vick, there are 50 guys that grew up poor and from the hood that don't get in trouble...like our own London Fletcher or someone like Marcellus Wiley. Keep that in mind. Remember, people can't control where they come from but they can control what they do if they get out from the hood.

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Guys I don't think this is really a night club but more of a resturant that stays open late and has a bar. This is a new area to Va. Beach and is in a nice section of town and not some thug type bar. I could be off some but I was very surprised when I heard where this happened and this is more of a business/resturant/bar type area in Va Beach. They developed this area so Va beach would have a place they could call downtown and develope over the years.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;710091]The latest news is that Vick has allegedly lied about the timeline, as security camera footage proves that he was there when the shooting happened.

He's lied to Goodell before. Now he has lied again. I think this is it for him.[/quote]

I thought the latest news has him leaving 3 minutes before the shooting, or is there a new story out?

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witnesses are now apparantley being more cooperative, and the security footage directly contradicts Vick's original statements.

Additionally, the police has changed Vick's status from a "person of no interest". They will be talking to him soon.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

The security footage shows him leaving 3 minutes before the shooting, not 30 minutes as Vick had originally said. He wasn't there when the shooting happened.

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[quote=skinsfan69;710095]You have to realize that a lot of guys that come from the hood never get in trouble. It's the media that crams the bad stuff down our throats. For every hood rat or Michael Vick, there are 50 guys that grew up poor and from the hood that don't get in trouble...like our own London Fletcher or someone like Marcellus Wiley. Keep that in mind. Remember, people can't control where they come from but they can control what they do if they get out from the hood.[/quote]

Definitely. Curtis Martin and Donald Driver also come to mind.

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[quote=Mattyk;710121]The security footage shows him leaving 3 minutes before the shooting, not 30 minutes as Vick had originally said. He wasn't there when the shooting happened.[/quote]

You could still smell is cologne until the burnt gunpowder smell over-powered it. Here's my take for what its worth:

You didn't know anything bad was going to happen and you leave three minutes before it happened, that's your story.

You or someone close to you is directly involved in either a violation of parole or the shooting itself and you leave the scene right before the incident. Your story is you left well before it happened and pray.

What really hit me, is when Marcus was mentioned as a possible shooter, and that the originally story mentioned the brothers leaving together well in advance. The fact that they had to mention that both left didn't stand out until that rumor was "reported." Who cares enough about Marcus for that to be mentioned?

Like I said I was staying neutral on this, knowing that there are powers beyond one man's control with that many people in one place. Now that the story has some holes in it I am starting to question what really happened. The truth will set you free! [SIZE="1"]Or land you back in the slammer if you are a complete dumb ass.[/SIZE]

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[quote=skinsfan69;710095]You have to realize that a lot of guys that come from the hood never get in trouble. It's the media that crams the bad stuff down our throats. For every hood rat or Michael Vick, there are 50 guys that grew up poor and from the hood that don't get in trouble...like our own London Fletcher or someone like Marcellus Wiley. Keep that in mind. Remember, people can't control where they come from but they can control what they do if they get out from the hood.[/quote]

One of the stories that sticks out in my mind was an ESPN special on Donald Driver. I loved it, and would like to see more stuff like that, but those stories take too long to tell in a "twitter" world of one-liners. And we can't feel better about ourselves if someone is doing something positive. Not hating on broadcast companies but ratings drive up ad revenue and stories that let us judge people to be worse than us mean more profit.

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I think some of you all have driven through the hood in a long time, if ever. the streets are full of people with bad intentions. The times i do have to drive thru west baltimore, its white nuckles on the wheel, head on a 360 degree swivel, ready to run red lights and take off if anyone starts to approach my car.

its not the case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch, its a bunch of bad apples with a few good ones looking for a way to move out of the hood.

sorry, but people with rosy and disney-esque visions of the hood live in the burbs.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;710115]witnesses are now apparantley being more cooperative, and the security footage directly contradicts Vick's original statements.

Additionally, the police has changed Vick's status from a "person of no interest". They will be talking to him soon.[/quote]

The local paper here said they interviewed MV yesterday ot Tuesday.

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Here is an interesting article from a local paper here in Va Beach. IT says it was an open to the public party and cost $30 to enter. It also shows the flier sent out showing D Hall coming as a guest.
[url=http://hamptonroads.com/2010/06/man-wounded-shooting-after-beach-party-michael-vick?cid=srch]Man wounded in shooting after Beach party for Michael Vick | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/url]

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[quote=over the mountain;710153]I think some of you all have driven through the hood in a long time, if ever. the streets are full of people with bad intentions. The times i do have to drive thru west baltimore, its white nuckles on the wheel, head on a 360 degree swivel, ready to run red lights and take off if anyone starts to approach my car.

its not the case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch, its a bunch of bad apples with a few good ones looking for a way to move out of the hood.

sorry, but people with rosy and disney-esque visions of the hood live in the burbs.[/quote]

My son goes to a charter school right by Carroll Park near Hollins Market in SW Baltimore. Let's just say that calling the neighborhood "rough" is an understatement (Terrific school though). Anyone who thinks the ratio of 50:1/good:thug is anything approaching reality is sadly mistaken. Not saying the reverse is true either - just that the 'hood exists and there are a looooot of bad people in it.

One of Aidan's school counselors is a 20 something, 6'4", African American dad whose kids go to the school and who is from the 'hood. About the 'hood and thug life he said to me "some get out, some don't but want to, some get out but don't actually leave, but most never want to leave 'cause they just can't function outside 'the life'".

Apparently, Vick is one of those who you take out of the Hood but you can't take the Hood outta him.

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Yup Joe. I was working with a youth outreach center in south baltimore last month. These are the people that are out there trying to do good but they say most of the kids are just rotten. Im helping them do a youth mock trial thing. The lady said it wasnt really for the kids, but hopefully the message will reach some of their parents. story after story they told me of how kids embrace the lifestyle.

The islamic guys in their huge colorful robes trying to promote islam dont go out on the streets without atleast 3 or more of them.

white, balck, yellow, purple, whether you live in the hood, just outside it or in the burbs, everyone is scared to death when driving or walking through these parts. im talking scared to death of 12 year olds on up. these lil kids bang hard.

my time in balt city central booking was nothing more than a recruitment center for the older established drug holders trying to pursuade the younger guys who are in their for drug running on the streets. this one dude had a cell phone, made threatening calls to complaining victims, gave orders to people under him regardin how they should handle biz for the next 14 hours while he is in lock up, popping pills, rolling weed. all these kids were looking and talking with him like he was a celebrity. older guys would write messages on the wall begging these young gang bangers to give up the life, saying where are your homies now?

yet another really long post from me, off topic as usual. sorry fellas.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=Player_HTTR;710141]One of the stories that sticks out in my mind was an ESPN special on Donald Driver. I loved it, and would like to see more stuff like that, but those stories take too long to tell in a "twitter" world of one-liners. And we can't feel better about ourselves if someone is doing something positive. Not hating on broadcast companies but ratings drive up ad revenue and stories that let us judge people to be worse than us mean more profit.[/quote]

I know and it's sad. I'd MUCH rather hear about stories like Driver than Michael Vick and his hood brother and friends.

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[quote=skinsfan69;710236]I know and it's sad. I'd MUCH rather hear about stories like Driver than Michael Vick and his hood brother and friends.[/quote]

That's nice to hear, but being on the other side I'll just say that when we try to tell those stories people don't seem to hear/see/read it nearly as much as many claim they would.

That said, don't miss...[url]http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/21/sportscenter-%E2%80%98my-wish%E2%80%99-series-returns-for-fifth-year-july-18-22/54793[/url]

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Michael Vick just needs to go back to jail...bad crap just follows him around. He contributes nothing to society, and is a waste of my oxygen...so is his brother.

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What I don't understand, and as someone else mentioned, why couldn't Vick just spin this another way: Have the party at Disneyland or Applebees? Sounds corny, but that's a part of the PR game.

For the record, I'm not hating on Vick or wishing him any ill, but he's just stupid.

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I hear you 12th. But Vick doesn't give a damn about his PR campaign. He was all gun ho last year when it came to saying the right things and all, but so many of Vick's problems come in the offseason, Dog fighting BS not included as that was year round crime, I am talking about his other off field issues.

He really does not seem and never has seemed sincere about his rehibilitaion or lack there of. BTW I never really got a sensse of a guy who was sorry for what he had done, just shocked that he got in trouble for it. Then coming out of jail he just said the right things to get his real money making scheme back on track. Posing as an NFL QB.

I do truly hope the guy gets it some day, but it hasn't quite sunk in to him yet how to handle yourself as an adult.