Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

with how lil shanny was hyping up Kelly, his size, his strenght, his speed during the offseason and saying he can see using him as he did Andre Johnson, I highly doubt they would cut him.

If so, just another player with high expectations and never developed under out staff (Jim zorns that is)

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

I really hope Kelly does do well. I want to see our drafted guys make it. It just still blows me away with the grandpa moses WR signing. I may hate myself for saying this, but I would almost rather see TO get signed and see what he has. I mean he did put up 800+ yards in a very pedestrian Buffalo offense last year.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

TO would love nothing better than to be in the DC media, going against Dallas and Philly 2x's at least a year, and I would welcome him here for a one year incentive laden contract.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

I think of the group listed in the first post, Kelly makes it, Furrey does not.

I believe Kelly and Thomas will both be here long term. Thomas will become a star this year, Kelly will step up more than he has in the past and will contribute nicely.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

I think Shanahan has not liked what he has seen on tape or on the field with the 2009 receivers. That is why he has invited so many veterans to training camp to create competition. Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas will be given every opportunity to break out this year. I think the coach is sending a clear message that these guys better step up to professional production or else they will be gone. I like the strategy. I don't care who makes the team. I don't want to see a high school passing game again.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;709303]I haven't seen much from Kelly or Thomas since they were drafted. I had a wildly divergent opinion of the two as pro prospects since coming into the league, but their performances have been remarkably similar. Part of that is that they've had to compete with each other for playing time, because I feel that Moss had his touches scripted for him most of the Zorn era, and that Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El were sort of forced to work around him (and Cooley, when he was healthy).

It would have been nice if one had been much more prepared than the other and had taken all the reps and succeeded, but I think, legitimately, neither is ahead of the other.

It's really Shanahan's first challenge is deciding what to do with these two. He hasn't been impressed by either in minicamp. It's too early to throw up his hands and quit on these guys, but they can't be allowed to compete with each other any longer. One or the other really needs to be pushed into the spotlight and allowed to fail. With Cooley and Davis both getting their touches -- remember Cooley is learning to play all receiving positions in the offense so the Redskins can choose to get the ball to him without having to change the gameplan -- this isn't going to be a three receiver offense. That's more or less why Randle El was cut.

If Moss wins his spot in the starting lineup, one of the these two is going to have to learn to contribute on special teams for the rest of his rookie deal.[/quote]

I agree with everything you've said, but I don't necessarily think that the third receiver has to contribute to special teams. I could easily envision Moss as the #1, Thomas as the #2, Kelly as the #3, and Thomas contributing to special teams as well.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

I thought thomas made some nice tackles on specials last year. I remember at least one play where he was the first one down there and made a nice open field tackle on the returner.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;709304][B]Kelly played really well at the start of last year, [/B]but when he got that finger injury, he really allowed it to cut into parts of his game that it shouldn't have. When it healed, he finished very strong with Thomas out. I have legit questions about his ability to perform with pain.

If there's anyone here that is familiar with his performances/successes/struggles at OU, jump in here, please.[/quote]

He did???? I didn't see it.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;709357]He did???? I didn't see it.[/quote]

How quickly we forget about those 7 catches...

[SIZE=1]in the first 5 games[/SIZE] ;)

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=mattyk;709360]how quickly we forget about those 7 catches...

[size=1]in the first 5 games[/size] ;)[/quote]

lol!!!

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

RedskinsDotCom

RT @RedskinsBlog Saw WR Anthony Armstrong heading back to review film on Monday. Guess that's how you get to be a breakout guy in mini-camp.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;709328]TO would love nothing better than to be in the DC media, going against Dallas and Philly 2x's at least a year, and I would welcome him here for a one year incentive laden contract.[/quote]

I agree completely. Shanny probably doesn't want him here but if they do wind up signing him the only kind of contract I am sure they would give him would be little or no guaranteed and it would all be performance based. PS I am proud to announce this is my century mark post and I am no longer a camp scrub! HAIL!!

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;709239]he's available![/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/28/vikings-claim-marko-mitchell/]Vikings claim Marko Mitchell | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

If Farve comes back i predict huge things for the kid. Almost started a new thread, that would undoubtedly become a sticky, titled "Marko Mitchell proves everyone but me wrong".

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;709134]Link: [URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/06/21/10/Redskins-53-Man-Roster-Version-10/landing.html?blockID=257987&feedID=2993"]Redskins' 53-Man Roster, Version 1.0[/URL]

I'd really hate to lose Kelly[/quote]

Malcolm Kelly being cut is about as likely as Devin Thomas being cut.
They had virtually the exact same stats last year not to mention that Malcolm has the best hands on the team.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=SkinzWin;709307]If Kelly doesn't play well we all know what dreaded two letters are coming. T.O. [B]I bet all of my skins nick-nacks that if they Kelly does poorly and they cut him T.O. will get a nod to see what he can do.[/B] I'm still out to lunch as to whether it would be good.[/quote]

I'd take that bet because I doubt the Shanahans are going to cut a 3rd year receiver that they are just starting to work with. A better bet would be if they bring in TO at some point in camp to replace Galloway/Wade/Furrey. If you're going with an older receiver, why not go with one that's closer to his elite status than one 3 years removed or a never was like Wade or Furrey?

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=30gut;709476]Malcolm Kelly being cut is about as likely as Devin Thomas being cut.
They had virtually the exact same stats last year not to mention that Malcolm has the best hands on the team.[/quote]

That being said, regardless of all of these delusions of talent and expected production, unless they prove worthy of being a playmaker this offseason, I say they should get cut. make way for guys that will actually take their 3 years in the league and try to grow. Don't you think its time we start at least tossing around the word.......bust????


Most of the Fans on this here forum are way too forgiving. Most of ya held out for J.C, hoping he would turn it around, and the same is true for D. Thomas and M. Kelly, hoping they will EVENTUALLY turn it ON. Its funny the one guy that impressed us the most and has the prototypical build for a WR, and is also the youngest and has shown the most talent, we get rid of and let the Vikes pick him up. Tis a shame.

Right now, I'd take Marko Mitchell over both of these underachieving bums.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

I think it's pretty incredible that of the 3 pass catchers we drafted in the 2nd round of the draft 3 years ago...Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly have been utter busts but we have found an absolute gem in Fred Davis.

I mean, who would have predicted that 3 years down the road, Fred Davis would be viewed as a potential game-changer but DT and MK have shown that they suck.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

Marko Mitchell hasn't proved anything in the NFL. He doesn't have any more a prototypical WR build than either Kelly or Thomas. If either Kelly or Thomas were to get cut, they'd be picked up just as fast by another team

And remember Mitchell has already been cut by one team since he was cut by the Redskins

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;709562]I think it's pretty incredible that of the 3 pass catchers we drafted in the 2nd round of the draft 3 years ago...[B]Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly have been utter busts[/B] but we have found an absolute gem in Fred Davis.

I mean, who would have predicted that 3 years down the road, Fred Davis would be viewed as a potential game-changer but [B]DT and MK have shown that they suck.[/B][/quote]

Isn't that overstating it just a bit? Of course we want and expect more from them but Thomas had a decent year last season, especially once Zorn wasn't calling plays anymore. Kelly won a starting job out of camp and then struggled but was basically a rookie last year. I'd like to see them with at least a season with a real coaching staff before writing them off for good.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

Seems like the arguement for just "One more season" of evaluation always trumps anything else. Good players, and especially ones that are destined to be great, excel no matter the situation. Who gives a shit you have a shitty coach, produce. Run your routes, show us your potential. Lack of good coaching is no excuse for lack of production or at least a glimpse of production.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;709591]Seems like the arguement for just "One more season" of evaluation always trumps anything else. Good players, and especially ones that are destined to be great, excel no matter the situation. Who gives a shit you have a shitty coach, produce. Run your routes, show us your potential. Lack of good coaching is no excuse for lack of production [B]or at least a glimpse of production[/B].[/quote]

I think one could easily argue they have flashed their potential.

This is a put up or shut up year for both of them. It's year 3, time to step up.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=Mattyk;709595]I think one could easily argue they have flashed their potential.

This is a put up or shut up year for both of them. It's year 3, time to step up.[/quote]

I don't know if that is true. I mean, a rookie year is a year where flashes of potential can cut it for a high second rounder. But when you've gone 3 years, and you still have fans talking about "what might be" instead of "what we know we are getting" or at least "what you have done", you need to cut bait eventually. At least dangle them for a trade or sumthin.....

But I do agree, if no soup this year, out the effin door. I think the honeymoon time for skins fans is over, and their patience is wearing thin. And this from some of the most understanding fans out there, fans that give the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;709598]I don't know if that is true. I mean, a rookie year is a year where flashes of potential can cut it for a high second rounder. But when you've gone 3 years, and you still have fans talking about "what might be" instead of "what we know we are getting" or at least "what you have done", you need to cut bait eventually. At least dangle them for a trade or sumthin.....

But I do agree, if no soup this year, out the effin door. I think the honeymoon time for skins fans is over, and their patience is wearing thin. And this from some of the most understanding fans out there, fans that give the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

Well, they've got 2 years under their belts. Still premature to totally write them off. As rookies I think they were both underprepared mentally and physically. In year 2 we saw a little more from each, but considering the kindergarten type of offense Zorn was running and the overall organizational dysfunction, I'm willing to give them a pass, well sorta.

Either way, this is definitely a critical year for both. Now there are no excuses. We've got a legit HC and OC, an improved OL and QB. Time for them to produce, no doubt.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;709591]Seems like the arguement for just "One more season" of evaluation always trumps anything else. Good players, and especially ones that are destined to be great, excel no matter the situation. Who gives a shit you have a shitty coach, produce. Run your routes, show us your potential. Lack of good coaching is no excuse for lack of production or at least a glimpse of production.[/quote]

Using that logic, scrubs like TO, Steve Smith, Roddy White to name a few would have been cut or never seen the field under your regime. Sometimes it takes players, especially like Thomas who played one year of major college football, some time to 'get it'. There's a reason that the benchmark for receivers is three years. Sure, there are some that accelerate that curve, but they are not the norm.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

Think about this, remember when Moss said giants DB's knew there routes. Now if Moss who is a veteran can't shake these DB's who knows what routes their running do you really think MK & DT will be able to disguise/lose DB's it takes time we had a BS coach & WR coach.

HTTR.

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

Whatever...maybe calling them busts given the circumstances is a little raw. Would they make the starting lineup or even regular backups on the Giants, Eagles, or Cowboys? That's a better question.

It's time for them to nut up or to get out of Washington b/c if they don't perform this year, they are complete and utter BUSTS!!

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

I wouldn't cut Malcolm, but I sure would trade him with something else for a vincent jackson ..

Re: Malcolm Kelly possible cut?
 

[quote=Mattyk;709603]Well, they've got 2 years under their belts. Still premature to totally write them off. As rookies I think they were both underprepared mentally and physically. In year 2 we saw a little more from each, but considering the kindergarten type of offense Zorn was running and the overall organizational dysfunction, I'm willing to give them a pass, well sorta.

Either way, this is definitely a critical year for both. Now there are no excuses. We've got a legit HC and OC, an improved OL and QB. Time for them to produce, no doubt.[/quote]I think the "no excuses" attitude works both ways in that: if we're going to keep them on the roster for this year and give them touches, we can't then excuse the plan at the end of the year if they don't produce as "just wanting to see what we had in them." The 3rd year receivers who have breakout seasons are the ones who have inspired confidence in their coaches over the first two years (like Robert Meachem).

If there's no confidence in one or the other, it'd be pretty inexcusable to wait them out through this year to see what they can become. We should play the best receivers on this team which really doesn't have a young player in their first two years to push into the lineup. So I would probably release either Kelly or Thomas if I didn't feel good about putting them in the starting lineup.

With that said, I've seen enough from Moss over the last two years to know that he should (theoretically) be behind both Kelly and Thomas on the depth chart. So there's plenty of opportunity for the 23 year olds if they want to get their act together and score some touchdowns this year.