Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

Man, I don't get why some are so uptight whenever something positive is said about the team. Of course it's ultimately going to come down to what happens on the field, but what's wrong with talking about what could [I]possibly[/I] happen?

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Mattyk;710313]Man, I don't get why some are so uptight whenever something positive is said about the team. Of course it's ultimately going to come down to what happens on the field, but what's wrong with talking about what could [I]possibly[/I] happen?[/quote]

Seriously. I think we could have the best offense, the best defense, the best special teams and win the Super Bowl. Is it likely? Probably not, but who cares? Why not think big and think positive? What good is being a fan if you're not going to get excited?

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[quote=SmootSmack;710320]Seriously. I think we could have the best offense, the best defense, the best special teams and win the Super Bowl. Is it likely? Probably not, but who cares? Why not think big and think positive? What good is being a fan if you're not going to get excited?[/quote]

Ok, ok...maybe it is not ridiculous...but it sure is unlikely.
Rookie LT, injury prone RT...RG to be determined, center is average RG is a bit above average, most have never played together...we have a completely new offense with a new blocking scheme, with a new QB....not to mention a new oline coach...and the vast majority have not played nor coached in the NFC east....on top of this....we had the arguably the worst offensive line in the franchise for 25 years....oh yeah....our oline is the BEST!

take it easy on me....I just thought I'd throw in some valid reasons that our line is in radical transition at this point..is it possible that they will be the best...yes....but highly unlikely. The best olines have been playing together for 3+ years with the same coaching. I'd expect the best result is to achieve a decent to good oline....say the 12-15th best out of 32...that is a MASSIVE improvement from 28th-32nd last year.

So don't call me a debbie downer. I expect solid improvement. I just dont expect miracles.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Mattyk;710313]Man, I don't get why some are so uptight whenever something positive is said about the team. Of course it's ultimately going to come down to what happens on the field, but what's wrong with talking about what could [I]possibly[/I] happen?[/quote]

I am not uptight about being positive. Finally, we have a decent FO that is providing real talent and Snyder is not scheduling his own press conferences. It is a Great start! That is positive.

But saying we may have the best line in the division in July after a 4-12 season...that is reverting back to our old ways of Snyerratto days.
Since Snyderraatto took over the team 10 or so years ago, we have been the kings of talk. Kings of of signing the big free agent and trying to create a big media splash. Kings of the press conferences. Talk talk talk.....[B]we were named the Champions of the off season[/B].
Last year (first half of season) we were the laughing stock of the NFL [B]on the field[/B].
We finally have some positive things, why spoil it by saying things like we have the best OL in the division? That is not positive, that is stupid.
Can we once just develop into a great team and not try to convince ourselves and [B]others[/B] in the process. Let it happen on its own.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Defensewins;710332]I am not uptight about being positive. Finally, we have a decent FO that is providing real talent and Snyder is not scheduling his own press conferences. It is a Great start! That is positive.

But saying we may have the best line in the division in July after a 4-12 season...that is reverting back to our old ways of Snyerratto days.
Since Snyderraatto took over the team 10 or so years ago, we have been the kings of talk. Kings of of signing the big free agent and trying to create a big media splash. Kings of the press conferences. Talk talk talk.....[B]we were named the Champions of the off season. [/B]
Last year (first half of season) we were the laughing stock of the NFL [B]on the field. [/B]
We finally have some positive things, why spoil it by saying things like we have the best OL in the division? That is not positive, that is stupid.
Can we once just develop into a great team and not try to convince ourselves and [B]others[/B] in the process. Let it happen on its own.[/quote]

You do realize this was simply a topic that came up on NFL radio. How is talking, which we do a lot of in the off-season, spoiling anything??

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[quote=GusFrerotte;710290]Sorry, you can't go from worst to best with the acquisition of one top draft pick and one pro bowler. If you throw in the TE then we aren't bad, but the best? Come on, we sucked last year. The rook has yet to play a down in the NFL so God only knows if he is going to pan out. He most likely will, but not in a way to make our O line go last to first in a span of one season. Brown was the best acquisition via FA in a long time, and yes I am including McNabb in that, but we just plain have no depth. Other than our two newbies who do we have that is really all that great?[/quote]

2/5.. that's 40%

2 very solid pieces on the line will help a lot.. if you look at some of the best lines not every player is the best at their position.. or even top 5..

1 great player at a line position can change the line and open up opportunities... losing one can ruin it

nobody has a very solid line vs the pass rush in our division other than the giants and most of us have a pretty decent run line so basically it's a 3-way battle with NYG to see who has the best line

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[quote=skinsnut;710304]This is a ridiculous thread[/quote]

ridiculous? there's a reason that the word "speculation" even exists

there is reason to believe that roles/positions within the division will change and due to some instances it's not silly to think that we may be at the forefront of benefiting from our additions

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[quote=skinsnut;710304]This is a ridiculous thread[/quote]

I agree, who knew there could be so much drama by asking if something COULD happen.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

our line has the most potential... looks good on paper.

Random Arbitrary List
 

[B]Best Offensive Lines in the League:[/B]
1. Jets - Any line that can protect a rookie QB and help lead a 31 year old running back to 1,400 yards rushing is always a candidate for best in the league.

2. Titans - A big part of Johnson's 2,000 yard season was the unit he had up front. The Titans have the best pair of bookends in the league with Michael Roos and David Stewart.

3. Saints - Best Guard tandem in the league by a mile and so much depth that they could afford to give us Jamamal Brown for what should qualify as nothing more than a tax write off.

4. Ravens - Gaither, Oher, Grubbs, and Birk. Guys who have either been to the pro bowl or are easily capable of making it one day. The quality in this group is scary

5. Vikings - One of the best left sides in the league with Mckinnie and Hutchinson though not as productive as they were a few years ago.

6. Dolphins - Very close to the Titans in terms of best bookends in Long and Carey.

7. Buccaneers - Say what you want about BA's time in Tampa, one area he didn't neglect was the Offensive Line. Had Aaron Sears not run into certain problems this unit would have been ranked higher.

8. Panthers - Jordan Gross and Jeff Otah round out the outside while my favorite Center Ryan Kalil is joined by former tackle Travelle Warton. Duke Robinson is a backup.

9. Browns - Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Alex Mack are a great start to this line. Tony Pashos and Floyd Womack do a nice job rounding out the right side.

10. Redskins - If Trent Williams develops into what we think he can be then this unit will shoot straight to the top 3. They also have a lot of young guys coming up on the interior.

Other great lines: 49ers, Giants, Jaguars..

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Sorry, but Schein? Adam Schein???? Who the hell is he???? Not to mention that reading that excerpt from his radio show made him sound like a goon. Or a fanboy.......

Re: Random Arbitrary List
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;710368][B]Best Offensive Lines in the League:[/B]
1. Jets - Any line that can protect a rookie QB and help lead a 31 year old running back to 1,400 yards rushing is always a candidate for best in the league.

2. Titans - A big part of Johnson's 2,000 yard season was the unit he had up front. The Titans have the best pair of bookends in the league with Michael Roos and David Stewart.

3. Saints - Best Guard tandem in the league by a mile and so much depth that they could afford to give us Jamamal Brown for what should qualify as nothing more than a tax write off.

4. Ravens - Gaither, Oher, Grubbs, and Birk. Guys who have either been to the pro bowl or are easily capable of making it one day. The quality in this group is scary

5. Vikings - One of the best left sides in the league with Mckinnie and Hutchinson though not as productive as they were a few years ago.

6. Dolphins - Very close to the Titans in terms of best bookends in Long and Carey.

7. Buccaneers - Say what you want about BA's time in Tampa, one area he didn't neglect was the Offensive Line. Had Aaron Sears not run into certain problems this unit would have been ranked higher.

8. Panthers - Jordan Gross and Jeff Otah round out the outside while my favorite Center Ryan Kalil is joined by former tackle Travelle Warton. Duke Robinson is a backup.

9. Browns - Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Alex Mack are a great start to this line. Tony Pashos and Floyd Womack do a nice job rounding out the right side.

10. Redskins - If Trent Williams develops into what we think he can be then this unit will shoot straight to the top 3. They also have a lot of young guys coming up on the interior.

Other great lines: 49ers, Giants, Jaguars..[/quote]

The one thing I notice is most of these lines are good based off of production from last year. This Skins line hasn't even been through training camp yet. I hope they will be as good as people are thinking they can be. But I like to reserve judgement until I can see something more concrete.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

The line should be better but it's time to put on the pads.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Kindoy;710366]our line has the most potential... looks good on paper.[/quote]

And at the heart of it, that's all this thread (and the original discussion on NFL radio) is about.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Kindoy;710366]our line has the most potential... looks good on paper.[/quote]


I have the maximum amount of respect for that word "potential". Somehow, it always manages to find it's way into sports discussions. So much depends on it's development.

Re: Random Arbitrary List
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;710368][B]Best Offensive Lines in the League:[/B]
1. Jets - Any line that can protect a rookie QB and help lead a 31 year old running back to 1,400 yards rushing is always a candidate for best in the league.

2. Titans - A big part of Johnson's 2,000 yard season was the unit he had up front. The Titans have the best pair of bookends in the league with Michael Roos and David Stewart.

3. Saints - Best Guard tandem in the league by a mile and so much depth that they could afford to give us Jamamal Brown for what should qualify as nothing more than a tax write off.

4. Ravens - Gaither, Oher, Grubbs, and Birk. Guys who have either been to the pro bowl or are easily capable of making it one day. The quality in this group is scary

5. Vikings - One of the best left sides in the league with Mckinnie and Hutchinson though not as productive as they were a few years ago.

6. Dolphins - Very close to the Titans in terms of best bookends in Long and Carey.

[B]7. Buccaneers - Say what you want about BA's time in Tampa, one area he didn't neglect was the Offensive Line. Had Aaron Sears not run into certain problems this unit would have been ranked higher.[/B]

8. Panthers - Jordan Gross and Jeff Otah round out the outside while my favorite Center Ryan Kalil is joined by former tackle Travelle Warton. Duke Robinson is a backup.

9. Browns - Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Alex Mack are a great start to this line. Tony Pashos and Floyd Womack do a nice job rounding out the right side.

10. Redskins - If Trent Williams develops into what we think he can be then this unit will shoot straight to the top 3. They also have a lot of young guys coming up on the interior.

Other great lines: 49ers, Giants, Jaguars..[/quote]

I highlighted the bucs for obvious reasons. I think this is more indicitive as to were the OL is heading in the future.

If BA built a line in Tampa then you know his first order of business would be to get ours fixed. He understands where it all starts in football.

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[quote=SmootSmack;710320]Seriously. I think we could have the best offense, the best defense, the best special teams and win the Super Bowl. Is it likely? Probably not, but who cares? Why not think big and think positive? What good is being a fan if you're not going to get excited?[/quote]


Ahmen Brother!

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

EX thread? Is this suppose to be funny? Someone is really retarded if they think we have the best line without having seen the line play a single down together.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

It would be interesting to see a survey that asks...
Which team currently has the most dominant line in the NFC east?
Eagles
Redskins
Cowboys
Giants

That is why I said the thread was ridiculous....because I think it is unlikely to believe the Skins would win a poll like that with the educated Skins fans that frequent this site.

Per the link provided:
"Miller continued, "That might've sealed the deal. What once was a weakness.... To me, Adam, [B]they may have the best offensive line in that division [U]right now[/U],[/B] and that's saying quite a bit."

Schein nearly blew out my headphones with enthusiasm. "Jeez," he boomed. "Wow! You just hit me over the head with that comment! You're right, Mills! I didn't even think about that! [B]You're a hundred percent right!"[/B]

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;710244]For Adam "I love the Giants and for some reason have a huge man crush on Romo" Schien to give the Redskins any love, we must have done something right. He has hated on us for so long. I am kinda shocked at how he has turned his opinion in the Redskins. God he hated on us so much I honestly quit listening to his show. Now I am a huge FAN OF T-Rock and Patty Kerwin. Those two guys have always brought it in a much different fashion. Much love for Moving the Chains from me.

It all starts up top with having guys like MS and BA in charge. Then adding Donovan back at Easter had more people believing. I have to say it again. The Redskins have spent a ton of time this offseason revamping this football team, and I for one know we will have something to show for it come September.[/quote]

Once Allen and Shanny came aboard you could really sense a change in the way the talking heads look at the organization. Honestly, the "hate" was well deserved with Danny and Vinny in charge. That has definitely changed.

I second that on Moving The Chains. That show should be required listening for all football fans. I could listen to those guys talk football all day long. PK brings it from a GM perspective, and T-Rock the player perspective. Love those guys.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

being that last year our OL was probably one of the worst in the league, if not the worst, I'd say that our OL, just by the additions of Artis Hicks, Jammal Brown, and Trent Williams should make us way way better, being that we have a former all pro LT starting for us at RT, a much better guard that was better than pretty much all over our starting guards from last year. As well as a coach who can make OLine's look good, and a QB who has a sense of awareness in the pocket. That already makes us that much better.

I'd say right now were at about the 10th best OL in the NFL, and by seasons end we could be even higher/better.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;710423]Once Allen and Shanny came aboard you could really sense a change in the way the talking heads look at the organization. Honestly, the "hate" was well deserved with Danny and Vinny in charge. That has definitely changed.

[B]I second that on Moving The Chains. That show should be required listening for all football fans. I could listen to those guys talk football all day long. PK brings it from a GM perspective, and T-Rock the player perspective. Love those guys.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Yep. Those 2 are the most informative and knowledgeable of all the guys I listen to on radio or on TV. And you are right they should be required listening for any true fan of the game.

Re: Random Arbitrary List
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;710406]I highlighted the bucs for obvious reasons. I think this is more indicitive as to were the OL is heading in the future.

If BA built a line in Tampa then you know his first order of business would be to get ours fixed. He understands where it all starts in football.[/quote]

Actually I might have jumped the gun the Buc's. Fact of the matter is that they're among the most talented units in the league but their production leaves something to be desired. Maybe in a different situation they would be a lot better, say with another running back or a more seasoned QB but the fact of the matter is that based on what we know the only thing they have going for them is their raw talent.

Of course part of it could be the coaching. The Redskins had a very talented offensive line under Spurrier but looked horrible thanks to the system. When Gibbs came in the line shot back up to among the leagues best units. Then of course Zorn came in and years of drafting skilled players over lineman came back to bite us in the ass.

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No I think you are right on the money with the Bucs, but they are a victim of thier own achilles heal in that they dont have the coaches to use what they have. Thier playbook is about as vast as ours was the last 2 years.

Now to the point of the Redskins woeful lines over the last few years. We kept relying on often innjured and old Linemen. Thomas, Jansen, and Samuels. These guys were just on bad play from missing the season time and time again.
To be fair I won't include Samuels in that list, but vinny should have been aware of Chris's problems and have been prepared. Just as how could he think we could continue to keep playing thomas year after year. He had torn muscles in his arms and broken bones time and time again. Ok enough of talking about the past for me. We all know how we had gotten to last years debacle when it came to the big guys up front.

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[quote=skinsnut;710323]Ok, ok...maybe it is not ridiculous...but it sure is unlikely.
Rookie LT, injury prone RT...RG to be determined, center is average RG is a bit above average, most have never played together...we have a completely new offense with a new blocking scheme, with a new QB....not to mention a new oline coach...and the vast majority have not played nor coached in the NFC east....on top of this....we had the arguably the worst offensive line in the franchise for 25 years....oh yeah....our oline is the BEST!

take it easy on me....I just thought I'd throw in some valid reasons that our line is in radical transition at this point..is it possible that they will be the best...yes....but highly unlikely. The best olines have been playing together for 3+ years with the same coaching. I'd expect the best result is to achieve a decent to good oline....say the 12-15th best out of 32...that is a MASSIVE improvement from 28th-32nd last year.

So don't call me a debbie downer. I expect solid improvement. I just dont expect miracles.[/quote]
One real injury doesn't exactly scream injury prone

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[quote=tryfuhl;710518]One real injury doesn't exactly scream injury prone[/quote]

Perhaps, but he is coming off a major injury and was on injured reserved...that is obviously a concern.

Are you agreeing with my other points?

Do you think the Skins have the best O-line in the NFC east?

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=skinsnut;710533]Perhaps, but he is coming off a major injury and was on injured reserved...that is obviously a concern.

Are you agreeing with my other points?

Do you think the Skins have the best O-line in the NFC east?[/quote]

I think the Giants OL is still pretty damn good, Cowboys are pretty good at protecting Romo, but then again he does run a lot to make them look good, but we'll see by seasons end if we do have the best OL in the East.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=skinsnut;710533]Perhaps, but he is coming off a major injury and was on injured reserved...that is obviously a concern.

Are you agreeing with my other points?

Do you think the Skins have the best O-line in the NFC east?[/quote]we're in the running definitely... people get paid to speculate on all sorts of things.. no harm in bringing it up

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=skinsnut;710533]Perhaps, but he is coming off a major injury and was on injured reserved...that is obviously a concern.

Are you agreeing with my other points?

Do you think the Skins have the best O-line in the NFC east?[/quote]

Why are people so hung up on Jammal Brown having a "major injury?" The guy had a hernia surgically repaired. It's not minor like a twisted ankle, but it's a far, far cry from tearing knee ligaments. He'll be just fine.

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[quote=GMScud;710556]Why are people so hung up on Jammal Brown having a "major injury?" The guy had a hernia surgically repaired. It's not minor like a twisted ankle, but it's a far, far cry from tearing knee ligaments. He'll be just fine.[/quote]
thank you

hernia isn't as big of a deal as a lot of other injuries.. he would've been able to come back later in the year they just couldn't afford the spot for him for that long.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

this is crazy talking about this!! training camp hasn't even started yet. let the boys prove it on the field. HAIL

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

Remind me to never ask a hypothetical question again, oh and check out the link backs to this thread. Good to know that Giants fans don't understand "could" too.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=GMScud;710556]Why are people so hung up on Jammal Brown having a "major injury?" The guy had a hernia surgically repaired. It's not minor like a twisted ankle, but it's a far, far cry from tearing knee ligaments. He'll be just fine.[/quote]

Actually it was also a hip injury. I think they did the hernia repair first, and then found out that it was actually the hip that was causing the problem.

[quote]
Question: How bad were the injuries?
Brown: "Well, right before I had the surgery, I played the whole year with a torn labrum. That was the last year I played, when I made the Pro Bowl (2008). I had a torn labrum and a sports hernia. The next year came, I was practicing and in the preseason, my whole left side went numb. I went and had the surgery. I recovered from that pretty well. I could've played in the playoffs last year for New Orleans. But we didn't know how long it was gonna take, so they put me on IR."

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/qa-with-jammal-brown.html]Redskins Insider - Q&A with Jammal Brown[/url]
[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk;710624]Remind me to never ask a hypothetical question again, oh and check out the link backs to this thread. Good to know that Giants fans don't understand "could" too.[/quote]

You would have been better off with a hypothetical like "Could we be 3-13 next year?"

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

So YOU think we'll go 3-13 next year???
.....Hater........

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

I liked the thread Matty, it is a hypthotical theory about how our line will do. This is what the media does in the offseason. Hell at least we aren't hearing the redskins didn't do anything in the offseason to bolster the line. I will take this kind of conjecture over the other anytime.

Keep posting good stuff about us Matty love reading it. Taking big gulps of the Redskins KoolAid on vacation this day after the 4th of July 2010!

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

24 days till training camp opens now is the time to bring up convos like this. To dream the impossible dream (I think with the right coaching) forgot the rest of the words.

HTTR.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Mattyk;710624]Remind me to never ask a hypothetical question again, oh and check out the link backs to this thread. Good to know that Giants fans don't understand "could" too.[/quote]

Sorry for my role in being a wet blanket and not going with the "hypothetical." Last year at this time I wrote that we had a decent squad and then we sucked. I am therefore hesitant to embrace such optimism again. Plus I'm tired of the offseason speculation: I don't want speculation, I want football! Come on July 27!

But your question was not a bad one. Yes, we could have the best line in the division.

Re: Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

[quote=Lotus;710674]Sorry for my role in being a wet blanket and not going with the "hypothetical." Last year at this time I wrote that we had a decent squad and then we sucked. I am therefore hesitant to embrace such optimism again. Plus I'm tired of the offseason speculation: I don't want speculation, I want football! [B] Come on July 27![/B]

But your question was not a bad one. Yes, we could have the best line in the division.[/quote]

I wish, training camp starts July 29th.

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Oops, got the date wrong. Sorry.