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[quote=SirClintonPortis;712960]Now, would a rookie QB picked first by us in the first round make three years down the road for "rebuilding" come up with this?[/quote]

A rookie QB would be here working with receivers if he wanted a job. Well, not J-Russ but nearly anybody else. It might not be in AZ and who knows to what extent the training would cover but it's not like this is something foreign to NFL teams.

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[quote=wolfeskins;712972]i think it was a different kind of respect though. campbell was respected as a person and as being tough. he was well liked but he was not respected as the leader of the offense.
i don't mean to knock on campbell, i like the guy but he was way too unemotional. he needed to show more fire and leadership,imo.[/quote]

I don't know the guy personally but it seems that JC is the perfect guy for the "keep it medium" approach. Don't get too high, don't get too low. Honestly I expected a lot more out of him after tough losses. He didn't want to throw himself under the bus which is fine, but he should've shared what could've made a difference. Then again, the after game interview doesn't mean shit.. it's the game itself that means something. The real shame is that when Campbell got comfortable and would be running the late game drills he looked at his best. You can chalk that up to defenses playing a bit relaxed or whatever, but you'd actually see his technique and reads step up at the same time.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;712975]Nice to see that Devin and Malcolm are enthusiastic about working out with Donovan. Those guys do have the potential to be great ballers for us if they work hard and really strive to improve their game. [B]To me if they don't deliver for us, it is going to set back the rebuilding effort back a few seasons[/B].[/quote]

You really think we're rebuilding?

Seems to be a quick reload to me.

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[quote=saden1;713000]I'm glad they're working together but I'm pissed our did never did things like this in the past...why the heck aren't Davis/Cooley participating?

No wonder McNabb was able to win with mediocre receivers...they were on the same page.[/quote]

That's kind of what I was thinking. On both parts...

Cooley has been really quiet this offseason, I'm not sure if that's by pressure from the new administration or what. Haven't seen Fred's bro in a minute either.

Don't think that JC didn't work with receivers in the offseason though. JC was known for being here earlier and later than anybody but Gibbs.

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[quote=Mattyk;713061]You really think we're rebuilding?

Seems to be a quick reload to me.[/quote]

That's a good way to put it. To me it seems that we're kind of riding the fence as far as how the league is going to operate over the next few years.

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I heard Haynesworth is going to "hell week" for these extra non-paid workouts to build more team chemistry!

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I am glad we are hearing 99% positive this summer (excluding ah is there really any story out there that has been negative? Carlos could become one, but so far it hasn't been that publicized) I just want the training camp to get here!

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I just hope it all translates into production. Should be great for everyone involved, especially the younger receivers. I'm growing tired of hearing about what they can't do, it's about time to find out what they can do, hopefully these type workouts will help escalate matters.

Everyone is hyped for the season, new HD Video Boards, $100.00 of my season ticket package and my fan invitation for opening day of training camp. Things are looking up.

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Good to see that these guys are getting a head start. McNabb is bringing the leadership that this team needs.

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Can't help but smile about this. DMc and the WRs on the same page? Can be nothing but good

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[quote=ethat001;712997]Great to see Moss as a 31 year old veteran go out there. Hope he does *something* this year. I've had such hopes for him, only to see him have just 2-3 good games per year. So goes the careers of short fast WR's as their speed goes away..

[U]Does anyone know why the heck they pick Arizona?[/U] Why make it a "hell week" when they could rent a stadium in San Diego and practice in sunny 70 degree temperatures.. It's not like it's going to be 112 degrees when they play football September to January... Only thing I can think of is to prepare them for training camp in DC, but... why?


ps. GREAT to hear Revis out there with them. A great corner to practice against! (and we don't play him this year -- unless...)[/quote]


DMc lives in Arizona & his Training team is located out there.

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[quote=saden1;713000]I'm glad they're working together but I'm pissed our QB/WR never did things like this in the past...why the heck aren't Davis/Cooley participating?

No wonder McNabb was able to win with mediocre receivers...they were on the same page.[/quote]


DMc invited the WR's, RB's & TE's.

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Geez! Everyone knows it's best if your QB practices with HS football players.

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^^ LMAO!! Thats great C. Was listening to Sirius today and they mentioned Childress is visiting BF down there right now as he runs 7 on 7 with the highschool.

I thought I had heard that Davis was down in AZ. Although I may be misinformed.

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:FIREdevilI live out here in Scottsdale and let me say the term " Hell Week" is dead on the money considering the heat out here .. I've lived here for over 5 years but holy cow is it hot as balls in the summer .. i'm used to it but it's still a little nuts to be living in 115 weather ... HTTR ... I bet I know of one place all the Skins' will be ... At Skins' Night Club :food-smil(Skins is a strip club in AZ :)

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[quote]"Can't nothing but good come out of the situation when you go out and work out with your quarterback before the season starts," Thomas said. "It's a great time to build that chemistry without the coaches being there. You just get a little of that extra bonding time to lead into training camp."[/quote]

f-ing love it. dt grows on me more and more i hope he get's in stride this year and really comes in to his own. i really haven't been this optomistic about the future of this team in a long time
:dallas:

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[quote=DCtoAZ;713157]:FIREdevilI live out here in Scottsdale and let me say the term " Hell Week" is dead on the money considering the heat out here .. I've lived here for over 5 years but holy cow is it hot as balls in the summer .. i'm used to it but it's still a little nuts to be living in 115 weather ... HTTR ... I bet I know of one place all the Skins' will be ... At Skins' Night Club :food-smil(Skins is a strip club in AZ :)[/quote]

They didn't have to go out West for "hell week". We have had weeks of this pushin down on 100* weather and throw the index in there and bingo "hell weeks" right here in Hampton Roads. July 29 they will be used to this unusual record breaking heat right here on the East Coast.

No RAININ in the Skins' Night Club

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I would have to agree with you. I live in SC and this summer has been brutal. The F'n humidity is through the roof. With a 105 head index and the air as thick as hot fudge syrup I would have to agree it has been hellashish this summer on the east coast.

AZ is hot don't get me wrong. Went out there in June a couple of years ago. It was HOT! But no humidity it is a different kind of heat out there. Dry heat.

I hope the boys stay out of Skinz and out of trouble, nothing like going out there for some good practice but coming back with a DUI.

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This is great to hear. Can't help but smile about it. DMc and the WRs on the same page? A beautiful thing

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Get ready cowturds! McNabb is gonna play that AIR-GUITAR in your face in DC then pull down that lil skirt and spank your sorry asses!

Week 1 biatchs! CAN'T WAIT PRIME TIME!

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8159e39c/McNabb-taunts-fans]NFL Videos: McNabb taunts fans[/url]

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Q: Could you see the Redskins implementing a two-tight end system where both Fred Davis and Chris Cooley can be on the field at the same time? The Redskins have question marks at receiver, and two tight ends could help the running game and rookie tackle Trent Williams get accustomed to the NFL.

John in Chicago

A: Absolutely. Early reports are that Mike Shanahan really likes Davis, and Cooley is already an established star at tight end. The two-tight-end formation is ideal for the zone running scheme because there is no strong side or weak side to tip off strengths and weaknesses of the blocking scheme. Plus, there are questions about the depth of the Redskins' wide receiving corps. Shanahan has always operated a strong two-tight-end formation. Great point.

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Go on [url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp]Washington Redskins[/url] Kelli Johnson interviews Fred Davis he talks a little about the 2TE formations, good stuff.

HTTR.

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I am expecting Shanny to use the two TE set a lot, but even more if the WR corps seem to not live up to expectations. It really makes perfect sense to run two TE's in Shanny's zone blocking scheme to help disguise which way the play is running. I know we have some ?'s at WR, but all in all, I am extremely upbeat about the improvements we have made on offense. Not to mention the coordinator and offense scheme will be a tremendous improvement.

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Has there been any word on whether or not other major members of the offense (i.e. Cooley, Davis etc.) will be joining their teammates in Arizona? DMac made a star out of Celek so it stands to reason a good rapport with the tight ends would be desirable.

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For the two TE set to work fully, they have to be good at blocking as well. That way, the team can not only pass (ie. TE's either pass-block or run a route) but also run (ie. TE's run-block). If the defense puts LB's on them, they can beat them via pass, and if they put safeties or corners on them, then we can run over them.

From what I've seen, both Cooley & Davis are just average blockers. So although they are great passing options in two TE sets, they are sometimes liabilities due to blocking. Two TE sets will only be fun to watch as long as McNabb gets enough protection and/or Portis gets blocking. If, for example, T.Williams starts getting toasted by the NFCEast DE's, then we'll take one of the TE's out and start putting in a blocking TE instead. I think F.Davis' blocking was improving last year, but both TE's completely missed blocks at times during the season.

[side note: not to rehash old debates, but we KNEW Davis was a pass-catcher and not a power-blocker when we drafted him... which was why many of us were frustrated with this pick. anyway - hopefully he can get better at blocking over time]

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[quote=rbanerjee23;713234]Has there been any word on [B]whether or not other major members of the offense (i.e. Cooley, Davis etc.) will be joining their teammates in Arizona[/B]? DMac made a star out of Celek so it stands to reason a good rapport with the tight ends would be desirable.[/quote]

I haven't read anywhere about any of our TE's participating with McNabb and Co.

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Post #62 Kelli Johnson interviews Fred Davis he sez he's going to Arizona to workout with DMc.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;713305]Post #62 Kelli Johnson interviews Fred Davis he sez he's going to Arizona to workout with DMc.[/quote]

Had not seen that interview. Thats great! I hope 86 and 47 both show. We have a very talented TE set, the sky is the limit for this duo!

Hard work pays big dividends. I applaud all the team members that show up to work out with McNabb!

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp]Washington Redskins[/url]

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/why_chris_cooleys_not_at_hell.html#more]D.C. Sports Bog - Why Chris Cooley's not at Hell Week[/url]

It's CC's right and i understand but i really wanted him to be there gel gel gel.

HTTR.

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I honestly don't have a problem with CC not being there. He gets a pass simply because he's a proven guy and I don't think there will be much trouble with him and McNabb getting on the same page.

What McNabb is doing out there in Arizona is great, but I'm not going to hold it against anybody for not attending.

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I'd rather he be there but it's Cooley. He's been our best player for five years now. I'm not gonna get worked up over it. We know he can play and we know QBs find him. I seriously doubt it'll mean all that much. It's mroe important to get working with the WRs in my opinion anyways. Those are the relationships that matter most.

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[quote=ethat001;713289]For the two TE set to work fully, they have to be good at blocking as well. That way, the team can not only pass (ie. TE's either pass-block or run a route) but also run (ie. TE's run-block). If the defense puts LB's on them, they can beat them via pass, and if they put safeties or corners on them, then we can run over them.

From what I've seen, both Cooley & Davis are just average blockers. So although they are great passing options in two TE sets, they are sometimes liabilities due to blocking. Two TE sets will only be fun to watch as long as McNabb gets enough protection and/or Portis gets blocking. If, for example, T.Williams starts getting toasted by the NFCEast DE's, then we'll take one of the TE's out and start putting in a blocking TE instead. I think F.Davis' blocking was improving last year, but both TE's completely missed blocks at times during the season.

[side note: not to rehash old debates, but we KNEW Davis was a pass-catcher and not a power-blocker when we drafted him... which was why many of us were frustrated with this pick. anyway - hopefully he can get better at blocking over time][/quote]

If Cooley doesn't improve his blocking I would not be upset if they put Dennis Morris in his place as a blocking TE. His highlights are ridiculous.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LARorin9Aos"]Dennis Morris (#49) 2009 Highlights[/ame]

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McNabb's leadership qualities will be a definite X-factor for our new offense. Setting the tone for our young receivers with this "hell week" is a tremendous lead-in to training camp.

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[quote=SkinzWin;713573]If Cooley doesn't improve his blocking I would not be upset if they put Dennis Morris in his place as a blocking TE. His highlights are ridiculous.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LARorin9Aos"]Dennis Morris (#49) 2009 Highlights[/url][/quote]

Cooley is an adequate blocker. It's not his role to be an extra tackle and it won't be his role. Nor will it be Davis'. Neither is going to get much better at blocking because it basically isn't the same position.

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Local radio stations here in Norman are saying the skins are on the verge of cutting Malcolm Kelly.. Any word to this rumor?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;713582]Local radio stations here in Norman are saying the skins are on the verge of cutting Malcolm Kelly.. Any word to this rumor?[/quote]

making room for TO! only kidding.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;713582]Local radio stations here in Norman are saying the skins are on the verge of cutting Malcolm Kelly.. Any word to this rumor?[/quote]

Ryan O'Halloran of Comcast Sportsnet said he thought the Skins would cut Kelly. I'm not putting stock in that rumor since it seems to be an opinion, not a report.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;713582]Local radio stations here in Norman are saying the skins are on the verge of cutting Malcolm Kelly.. Any word to this rumor?[/quote]

Gross exaggeration

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I thought he actually played decent our last 2-3 games, but shanny knows talent and maybe MK just can't cut it in the NFL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;713597]I thought he actually played decent our last 2-3 games, but shanny knows talent and maybe MK just can't cut it in the NFL[/quote]

I would only agree that this would be a critical year for Kelly, being his third. He must step up.

His biggest problem to this point from my point of view have been health (bad knees) related. Which are big if your not healthy and can not perform it doesn't matter what you could do.

If Kelly were to not make the team and it this point I don't believe that. They would have to have plans to bring in a talented proven WR.