Re: Brandon Banks
 

Every time I see or hear Banks I just cringe because all I think about is Tony Banks.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

This guy will never start a football game in the NFL, he'll be lucky to be invited to the practice squad. Just too small.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;719416]I'd risk all but Moss. None of the guys listed are difference makers.[/quote]

Moss, Hall and Buchanon should be off returns if we're talking about risk.

Terrence Austin makes a lot of sense if Banks doesn't make it.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Buster;719432]Moss, Hall and Buchanon should be off returns if we're talking about risk.

Terrence Austin makes a lot of sense if Banks doesn't make it.[/quote]Moss only because he's our only proven 1-2 caliber NFL receiver who isn't at the end of his career. If Hall goes down, Buchanon or Barnes step up. If Buchanon goes down, Barnes/Tyron/etc. step up. Losing Hall or Buchanon isn't a "devastating blow" to the D. Orakpo, Fletch, or AH & Kemo (both), yes.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;719457]Moss only because he's our only proven 1-2 caliber NFL receiver who isn't at the end of his career. If Hall goes down, Buchanon or Barnes step up. If Buchanon goes down, Barnes/Tyron/etc. step up. Losing Hall or Buchanon isn't a "devastating blow" to the D. Orakpo, Fletch, or AH & Kemo (both), yes.[/quote]

The way he's been struggling lately, maybe Tryon's best shot is to make a name for himself as a returner on teams

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;719463]The way he's been struggling lately, maybe Tryon's best shot is to make a name for himself as a returner on teams[/quote]Sad to see him sliding down the depth chart, but if he ain't gettin' it done. ....and he's not even listed on the depth chart as a returner. I didn't see him get any reps with the punt return guys. He better make some sort of positive impression tomorrow night.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;719491]Sad to see him sliding down the depth chart, but if he ain't gettin' it done. ....and he's not even listed on the depth chart as a returner. I didn't see him get any reps with the punt return guys. He better make some sort of positive impression tomorrow night.[/quote]

Tryon in punt return drills (Gano kicking on this side of field...Bidwell had another group):
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Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=skinsfan69;719341]5'7 142 lbs isn't going to cut it in the NFL.[/quote]

Perhaps he should look into Ice Dancing after he is cut

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=FRPLG;719388] he can probably avoid 98% of the kill-type shots

Essentially if he was 4 inches taller and weighed 30 lbs more he is a top 3 draft pick. [/quote]

2 points:
You don't avoid kill shots returning kicks....you take them more than almost any other position...due to the 40 yard head of steam bearing down on your freakin' head.

You think if he was 5'11" and 185 he'd be the 3rd pick in the draft just because he's fast?....i don't think so...perhaps he would be a mid rounder if he were a different size. The dude only had 1 TD and 700 yards last year as a reciever.

Imagine this guy as a wideout...a 200 lb corner would literally throw him like a little girl off the line...I really dont see why he is wasting a NFL spot...this guy is dead meat...and it's a bit embarrasing to have a guy smaller than a 8th grader on our team...the guy is gunna get killed out there.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

If the WR spot is still an issue, and it was obvious the Skins were not going to pick up T.O., why don't they look at Keyshawn Johnson? I just saw him on ESPN and wondered why they don't try to offer him a decent contract. I mean it can't be age cause they have Galloway. lol.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=SBXVII;719560]If the WR spot is still an issue, and it was obvious the Skins were not going to pick up T.O., why don't they look at Keyshawn Johnson? I just saw him on ESPN and wondered why they don't try to offer him a decent contract. I mean it can't be age cause they have Galloway. lol.[/quote]

Players age at different rates, that rate is dependent on their offseason regiment.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;719565]Players age at different rates, that rate is dependent on their offseason regiment.[/quote]Is there any evidence that suggests that offseason regiment is a meaningful variable in age decline?

Intuitively, it probably matters, but Galloway has declined pretty far in the last two seasons despite his best efforts to keep himself in top football shape.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

Chris Chelios.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=GTripp0012;719574][B]Is there any evidence that suggests that offseason regiment is a meaningful variable in age decline?[/B]

Intuitively, it probably matters, but Galloway has declined pretty far in the last two seasons despite his best efforts to keep himself in top football shape.[/quote]

I can think of one player on the Skins where this is an obvious positive factor....Phillip Daniels...but that dude has serious issues...he's a human muscle.

But Wideout?...if your game is based on speed, good luck...only one speed player that I know of stayed fast though out all the years was Darrel Green, and I honesly think that that was a legitamate gift from God.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=skinsnut;719592]I can think of one player on the Skins where this is an obvious positive factor....Phillip Daniels...but that dude has serious issues...he's a human muscle.

But Wideout?...if your game is based on speed, good luck...only one speed player that I know of stayed fast though out all the years was Darrel Green, and I honesly think that that was a legitamate gift from God.[/quote]

And Shanahan would not notice a slowdown on Galloway's part? He's not that dumb in that he'd be blabbering out quotes like Galloway still being able to churn out a 4.4 40 yard dash. Big ego yes(Nick Sundberg), but utterly stupid no.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

Since Banks is going to be our Superman....lol. I accidently came across this while looking up wallpapers.....

Google: Megan Fox as Superwomen.

oh my god. I loved her in Transformers but she's hot in this outfit.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=GTripp0012;719574]Is there any evidence that suggests that offseason regiment is a meaningful variable in age decline?

Intuitively, it probably matters, but Galloway has declined pretty far in the last two seasons despite his best efforts to keep himself in top football shape.[/quote]

Seriously. Not only has his football skills diminished, but his appearance as well. This little gem was while he was getting water with his helmet off. Guess the camera guy caught him off guard. I'm sure he doesn't want people to see him like this....

[IMG][IMG]http://i37.tinypic.com/b8qru8.png[/IMG][/IMG]

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=saden1;719266]His weight is an issue right now but then again he did shit on Oklahoma twice and it doesn't get bigger than those beef jerks. You don't put up the numbers he did without playing big.[/quote]

like I said the college game is a lot more "wide open"

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;719295]For Friday, right now Buchanon is penciled in as the regular season starting punt returner[/quote]

that's kind of what confused me.. like why would he tweet about it if it was in a likely shortened practice the day before a game?

though Shanahan came through saying that they know what Buchanon brings to the return game

I'm guessing that Banks starts at PR

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;719599]And Shanahan would not notice a slowdown on Galloway's part? He's not that dumb in that he'd be blabbering out quotes like Galloway still being able to churn out a 4.4 40 yard dash. Big ego yes(Nick Sundberg), but utterly stupid no.[/quote]

I am only responding to the question if workouts can stop father time...it is rare.

I don't personally have a negative opinioin of Galloway. I haven't seen him.
If the guy is still fast, he is a legit #2 as any other on the roster I don't give a crap how old or ugly he is. He doesn't even have to catch a pass as long as he draws coverage away from the other receivers...it would be nice if he could catch a few too.

But that Banks kid is a wimp...we are wasting a roster space on him...if I were the Skins, I'd either bring in another fast receiver or another kicker in his spot.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

Banks reminds me of that guy who played for KC and Stl. The X factor/human joystick. I had to laugh when they said he ran a 4.4 40 with a pulled Hammy.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;720312]Banks reminds me of that guy who played for KC and Stl. The X factor/human joystick. I had to laugh when they said he ran a 4.4 40 with a pulled Hammy.[/quote]

Dante Hall? I remember him. He was Devin Hester before Hester was Hester.

Even though he returned a punt for a touchdown tonight, I don't know if Mike Shanahan would be willing to use a whole roster spot for a guy who can only return punts. I don't think Banks offers a lot of value as a wideout, like someone mentioned he'd be jammed too easily at the line to even start his route. And I'm pretty sure he'd get injured after all the kill shots he's gonna take returning punts. You can say he's too fast to take kill shots but that doesn't make it true, playing punt returner he's gonna get exposed to kill shots no matter what.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

Dante Hall was the X-Factor
[IMG]http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/193117/dantehall.jpg[/IMG]

Good times. Ironically that makes me hold out hope that we're going to be able to duplicate the Chiefs offense from earlier this decade. Now if we can only avoid duplicating the Chiefs defense.

Still I think the main thing that I feel is promising about Banks performance tonight is unlike offense and defense where you either play disinterested starters or the children of the poor is that special teams is usually stocked with a similar talent level as that seen in the regular season. On top of that, since the units are stocked with players fighting for roster spots you usually see regular season type intensity on special team plays.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=mooby;720313]Even though he returned a punt for a touchdown tonight, I don't know if Mike Shanahan would be willing to use a whole roster spot for a guy who can only return punts. [/quote]

Using up a whole roster spot or not -- I still think he's worth a chance. After Devin Thomas made the key block (which few announcers mentioned), Banks had 3-4 people to beat. If Randle El was running it, he would have just slipped and fallen down. If Rock Cartwright ran it, it would have been another 15-20 yards. But Banks did a quick juke to freeze one guy and then turned on the burners.. I'd love to see that speed on our team.

Austin also had a good return or two, but I think someone like Banks could be a game-changer. If we get 2-3 touchdowns from special teams this year, that could change those games for us. He just needs to make sure he doesn't drop the ball.. Guess we'll have to see how it goes for the next few games.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=ethat001;720330]Using up a whole roster spot or not -- I still think he's worth a chance. After Devin Thomas made the key block (which few announcers mentioned), Banks had 3-4 people to beat. If Randle El was running it, he would have just slipped and fallen down. If Rock Cartwright ran it, it would have been another 15-20 yards. But Banks did a quick juke to freeze one guy and then turned on the burners.. I'd love to see that speed on our team.

Austin also had a good return or two, but I think someone like Banks could be a game-changer. If we get 2-3 touchdowns from special teams this year, that could change those games for us. He just needs to make sure he doesn't drop the ball.. Guess we'll have to see how it goes for the next few games.[/quote]

I say yes. Teams do reserve 2 or 3 spots for special-teams only players. He can be used to stretch the field on offense too. Defenses would have to respect his 50% chance of catching a pass still.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=diehard;720340]I say yes. Teams do reserve 2 or 3 spots for special-teams only players. [B]He can be used to stretch the field on offense too.[/B] Defenses would have to respect his 50% chance of catching a pass still.[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOO!!! Darth Vader reference aside I think it's safe to say that if Banks makes this team it should be used exclusively on special teams. Smith was right, when you use a returner on offense their productivity goes down. I've seen it with Hester, Hall, and our very own ARE.

Maybe the wildcat if they decide to use that formation but not much further then that. There's no shame in being a special teams only guy, just ask Brian Mitchell. Hopefully we would have enough playmakers on offense where we won't have to distract Banks from his future special team duites.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

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Re: Brandon Banks
 

Personally I think if he keeps himself from any major fumbles and gets a few more good run backs I dont see how you could really leave him off the team.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

Seeing what Banks can do, (and assuming he can keep it up) it just makes you wonder why we held on to Cartwright and Randle El for so long.

With those guys, it was always about "locker room leadership." Eff that. Put something on the field. Banks did that. And he represents more of what we need: Young, hungry guys who are desperate to prove themselves.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Beemnseven;720382]Seeing what Banks can do, (and assuming he can keep it up) it just makes you wonder why we held on to Cartwright and Randle El for so long.

With those guys, it was always about "locker room leadership." Eff that. Put something on the field. Banks did that. And he represents more of what we need: Young, hungry guys who are desperate to prove themselves.[/quote]

I agree. Randle-El and Campbell apologists say the exact same thing, "Well if we would just block better....blah blah blah" The fact is that neither could get it done and that is why they needed to go. I think Rock was pretty productive as a returner for a while but he had no upside and is on the downside so that move was easy too. I like the fact that they are trying some fast, young, new blood instead of over-the-hill "character" guys.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

Banks has some serious speed, what's his 40 time??

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Mattyk;720408]Banks has some serious speed, what's his 40 time??[/quote]

They said he ran 4.4 in the 40 with a pulled hammy and he supposedly beat Chris Johnson in multiple sprints.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

It was reported the team used him in the Wild Cat during practice also....

I can see him being on the team. Especially if he keeps up making TD's. I'm betting one of the WR's or RB's gets dropped for a roster spot for him. Hell they did the same thing with Rock. He was not used as a RB until the 1st and 2nd went down. Out of all the yrs with the team (what- 8) Rock only played RB 2 times.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;720410]They said he ran 4.4 in the 40 with a pulled hammy and he supposedly beat Chris Johnson in multiple sprints.[/quote]

It didn't even seem like he hit full speed on that punt return, he was just coastin'. Gotta think that Shanahan finds a spot for him for special teams.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Mattyk;720414]It didn't even seem like he hit full speed on that punt return, he was just coastin'. Gotta think that Shanahan finds a spot for him for special teams.[/quote]


He may be one of those guys like Darrel Green. They run as fast as they need to. Banks is a blur.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;720410]They said he ran 4.4 in the 40 with a pulled hammy and he supposedly beat Chris Johnson in multiple sprints.[/quote]


He was clocked at a pro day at 4.26

Ran poorly at the combine.

Who cares the guiy has some serious football speed!!

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=SBXVII;720412]It was reported the team used him in the Wild Cat during practice also....

I can see him being on the team. Especially if he keeps up making TD's. I'm betting one of the WR's or RB's gets dropped for a roster spot for him. Hell they did the same thing with Rock. He was not used as a RB until the 1st and 2nd went down. Out of all the yrs with the team (what- 8) Rock only played RB 2 times.[/quote]

They did but this was for practice against the wildcat not for him to used in it. BTW he has never thrown a pass in a competitive football game. His words not mine. :)

So he really would not fool anyone.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Beemnseven;720382]Seeing what Banks can do, (and assuming he can keep it up) [B]it just makes you wonder why we held on to Cartwright and Randle El for so long. [/B]

With those guys, it was always about "locker room leadership." Eff that. Put something on the field. Banks did that. And he represents more of what we need: Young, hungry guys who are desperate to prove themselves.[/quote]

Today's daily double answer. Vinny Sorryato

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;720447]He was clocked at a pro day at 4.26

Ran poorly at the combine.

[B]Who cares the guiy has some serious football speed[/B]!![/quote]

Exactly. It would be a lot of fun to have a guy like him on the roster. Hopefully we'll be able to make room. It doesn't really matter how small you are if no one can catch you. Just ask Desean Jackson. Problem with Banks is, if all he can do is return punts, it will be tough to keep a spot for him I would think. If we can set up some offensive plays for him, maybe he'll be around.

Re: Brandon Banks
 

[quote=Beemnseven;720382]Seeing what Banks can do, (and assuming he can keep it up) [B]it just makes you wonder why we held on to Cartwright and Randle El for so long.[/B]

With those guys, it was always about "locker room leadership." Eff that. Put something on the field. Banks did that. And he represents more of what we need: Young, hungry guys who are desperate to prove themselves.[/quote]

If Banks starts fumbling, we'll see why. Rock and ARE (mostly) were good about not putting the ball on the ground.