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[quote=over the mountain;722930]IMO on a fan football forum; lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish, just plain ol' stupid = putty cat.

haynesworth is a skins player, we are fans, we can type putty cat next to his name in our posts if we feel that way IMO.

[B]the whole internet tough guy, hiding behind a computer screen cliche really doesnt apply to fans talking about a professional player. [/B]

if it was 2 average joes, then yes i agree that using fighting words over the net is putty cat.

just my 2 cents.[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion. I will respect it even if I do not agree with it.
IMO Haynesworth is a member of the human race just like you and I are. To make diffrent rules for diffrent sectors of the population usually leads to problems.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;722932]Thats great in hockey, where post whistle intimidation is part of the game and enforcers are given a job. However in football that results in a 15 yard penalty. [B]It's an honor to bait your opponent into smacking you after the whistle.[/B][/quote]

It is also weak and seriously lacking of team pride to stand by and watch your teammate get his ass kicked by TWO other opponents.

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[quote=GMScud;722934]Really? [B]So if anyone here has negative opinions about a player, if they voice them from behind a computer screen they're a pussy? [/B]Nah. It's a fan forum. This whole site is based on our opinions.

Nobody else had the guts or pride? I lol'd. The guy shoved a few dudes by the sideline. Big deal. He's a hot head. It's what he does. If it really came down to it, you don't think a London Fletcher or a Philip Daniels would back up their teammates? Come on.

The way Haynesworth has acted and carried himself, well, pussy is a darn good adjective if you ask me. Along with lazy, childish, fat, and arrogant.[/quote]

Did you read my post? I said,
"Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
[B]Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?[/B]
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
[B]A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face[/B]."

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[quote=skinsfan69;722936]So you think he's worth the hassle cause he defended a teammate in a fight? This isn't MMA. To me the guy is a pussy cause he let's his teammates down. To me that's the issue, not defending guys in a push and shove match.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is worth it. Much less am I saying because he defends teamates he is worth it.
My only point is in my opinion some of you guys in an attempt to be funny [B]incorrectly[/B] threw around the word pussy and I am just trying to point it out.
Haynesworth being a selfish ass and letting his teammates and fans down is many negative things. But pussy is not the right word. That is all. A pussy is someone who backs down from a fight because he is afraid. Not someone who runs into a fight to defend a friend and teamate.

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[URL="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000473.htm"]Rhabdomyolysis: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia[/URL]

Just googled rhabdomylosis. Hopefully AH did indeed just had a bought with this. If chronic, his kidneys are in for a tough time. They better have tons of gatorade for him. I think this might be a classic the boy who cried wolf type of situation. The guy made noise/ held out too much that was BS and now folks don't believe him when he is really sick. I wouldn't be surprised if he contracted it going nuts losing all that weight. Whatever the case, this drama needs to be put to rest.

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what is RHABDOMYOLYSIS? ESPN text says AH has that condition.

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To answer my own question:
From medicinenet
[QUOTE]What is rhabdomyolysis?

Rhabdomyolysis (RAB-DOE-MY-O-LIE-SIS) is the rapid destruction of skeletal muscle resulting in leakage into the urine of the muscle protein myoglobin.

What causes rhabdomyolysis?

Rhabdomyolysis has many causes. Some of the common ones include:

* muscle trauma or crush injury,

...
[B] * prolonged lying down on the ground[/B] ...[/QUOTE]

come on, you can't tell me there aren't a Million and one jokes forming just from that one line

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[quote=Defensewins;722945]It is also weak and seriously lacking of team pride to stand by and watch your teammate get his ass kicked by TWO other opponents.[/quote]

Sorry but that just doesn't happen in football. Players only get one second to either make a push or slap a facemask and most of the time they get caught when they swing in some way shape or form. It's very easy to get ejected in the NFL and fined. He wasn't getting his ass kicked, he was getting a little shove. If they can't deal with that to draw a penalty then the player in question has a fragile ego that's in constant need of protection.

I mean fine. It was nice that he did that with us down 38-12 in a lost cause of a season. Even I can appreciate that. However as shown last night Albert can't control himself. What happens if theres a little shoving match during a close game in the playoffs? Is standing up for your boy getting a little push, that doesn't hurt at all, going to outweigh winning the game? Heck Rex Ryan set up a scuffle for Vernon Gholston in training camp. What's to stop a coach from telling his offensive line to try and bait Haynesworth to commit a penalty? Sometimes you have to swallow your pride for the greater good.

You want to get even do it like this.
[YT]Sh16xeNihDY[/YT]

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This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.

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[quote=skinsfan69;722889]I just think it's time to move on and we should cut the guy. He's really not that good of a player and the defense played well w/out him last year. They seemed to play very well w/out him last night. We've got a new regime here and he doesn't fit well with the new staff. Enough of this bullshit drama. Just cut his lazy crybaby ass.[/quote]

"Stupidest thing ever said on this board"

- I know he is a pain in our ass, but cut arguably the best DT in the entire league??????

Talk about fvckin foolish.

And Defensewins. Did you need 6 straight posts in a row to get your point across? LOL. Brainstorm, THEN post. Get it all together, THEN post!!!!!

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[quote=dblanch66;722952]This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.[/quote]

It's funny that you mentioned this about old school football, because I think that football as we know it will change drastically in the next couple of year, moving away from "old school football". Given all these issues with concussions, players' health after football, etc., etc. it seems that football will change. I didn't know about the whole rule about the play blown dead if a player's helmet comes off. Sorry for going on a tangent.

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[quote=dblanch66;722952]This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or [B]John Riggins [/B]or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.[/quote]

The same guy who sat the 1980 season. He is the original diva. Hell listen to his rants now days.

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[quote=GMScud;722924]I can't ever remember hating a Redskins player this much. I can't stand this dude. I want him off this team so badly. I mentioned in another locked thread last night- I hope we go the route that Philly/Tampa did with TO/Meshawn.[/quote]I won't waste energy hating on Fat Albert. He was a POS in Tennessee with questionable character, and Snyderatto thought it was a good idea to hand him $31M the first 14 months of his contract. Haynesworth is what he is - a selfish diva. But that was well known before he signed here, yet The Danny had to make a huge March splash in free agency. Should we be surprised how this is turning out???

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[quote=dblanch66;722952]This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.[/quote]


Can't put 100% of the blame to AH. Why do I say something like that? Our culture is all about me me me and celebrity to the nth degree. THese guys thrive on it, some more than what they do on the field. Also, the old protestant work ethic is for the most part killed off. The owners and the different pro sports leagues love this crap though( drama addicts), even if they seem to hate it publicly. It generates hype, and increases ticket sales, so this stuff is going to be part of the game for some time. In fact the hype is bigger than the game anymore, which is sad. Look at the SB anymore. Two full weeks of total BS hype and worthless stories for the most part, just to promote a game that is usually slow moving and marred with yellow flags so that the NFL and the bookies get the desired result.

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[quote=SouperMeister;722958]I won't waste energy hating on Fat Albert. He was a POS in Tennessee with questionable character, and Snyderatto thought it was a good idea to hand him $31M the first 14 months of his contract. Haynesworth is what he is - a selfish diva. But that was well known before he signed here, yet The Danny had to make a huge March splash in free agency. Should we be surprised how this is turning out???[/quote]

Good point. Unfortunately we have to now live with this big mistake by the previous front office. I'm done with this situation and I think folks should focus on talking more about other important relevant issues than this TMZ-like story.

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[quote=Ruhskins;722960]Good point. Unfortunately we have to now live with this big mistake by the previous front office. I'm done with this situation and I think folks should focus on talking more about other important relevant issues than this TMZ-like story.[/quote]


"TMZ" very funny, but so true. The story is getting very, very old.

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Dhall's one of the few who'd vouch for Albert mainly because he was the only one who did anything to come to his aid in the Atlanta game last year, and Albert wasn't the only one who deserved a 15 yard personal foul penalty in that scrum.

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[quote=over the mountain;722922]Yes, the majority of skins fans think he is a big fat putty cat just because an ESPN clerical staff member passed the fitness test he couldnt.

the majority of skins and football fans opinions are not in any way shaped by the following:

the fact that shanny and allen told him a few weeks before he was due the 21 mil dollar bonus in april that he had been paid over 12 mil for the 1st year of work which was fair and reasonable and that if he didnt want to be a part of this team and the 3-4 that they would release him out right making him free to sign with any team if he voided his contract and didnt collect the 21 mil. but if he did accept the 21 mil then he would accept whatever role the skins the wanted him to play, NT DE or safety.

he took the 21 mil dollar check.

he then tried to force a trade.

he missed the OTAs b/c he was working hard with his personal trainer.

he comes into TC and has to pass a conditioning test. he finishes the first leg then takes an over ten minute break in between. he then takes 6-7 days to pass the conditioning test.

he then had various ailments that prevent him from putting in any actual work.

he misses all of the weeks practices leading up to the ravens game.

he played half hearted against the ravens.

he then does his post game interview.[/quote]

Not sure of your point? Defending Al, or indicting? I was merely having a little spirited fun at Big's expense in a typically satirical manner........

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[quote=warpaint;722957]The same guy who sat the 1980 season. He is the original diva. Hell listen to his rants now days.[/quote]

Yeah there's always a lot of revisionist history when we talk about the "good old days"

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What outcome is Haynesworth trying to elicit with this behavior? If he wants to be traded, toxic behavior ensures that teams will be hesitant to sign him and also makes it less likely that we will get fair value for him which also hurts the cause. What is the end game here?

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[quote=warpaint;722957]The same guy who sat the 1980 season. He is the original diva. Hell listen to his rants now days.[/quote]Don't go comparing Fat Albert to Riggo. Late in Riggins' career when his back was shot, he'd spend the early part of the week in traction, but he answered the bell on Sundays and ALWAYS played hard. Haynesworth CLEARLY takes plays off, and has done so his entire career. I can't think of a more talented D-lineman that has produced so little aside from the two seasons leading up to his free agency.

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If there's a case for the massive modularity hypothesis, this thread can help as a case study.

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[quote=SouperMeister;722971]Don't go comparing Fat Albert to Riggo. Late in Riggins' career when his back was shot, he'd spend the early part of the week in traction, but he answered the bell on Sundays and ALWAYS played hard. Haynesworth CLEARLY takes plays off, and has done so his entire career. I can't think of a more talented D-lineman that has produced so little aside from the two seasons leading up to his free agency.[/quote]

Yeah, that was my point. I certainly haven't forgotten Riggins sitting out the '80 season but the difference is: he sat out the season. there was really little drama involved. When he DID suit up, though, he played with a ferocity and had more guts than any Redskin player I can remember. He was the only non-lineman HOG. says something. I don't give a rat's ass what he rants about now. He's a guy trying to get ratings. My point is that players like AH couldn't have hacked it in the old days and in the old days the game was a lot more fun to watch. not living in the past, I'm just waxing..

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[quote=SouperMeister;722971]Don't go comparing Fat Albert to Riggo. Late in Riggins' career when his back was shot, he'd spend the early part of the week in traction, but he answered the bell on Sundays and ALWAYS played hard. Haynesworth CLEARLY takes plays off, and has done so his entire career. I can't think of a more talented D-lineman that has produced so little aside from the two seasons leading up to his free agency.[/quote]

AH has showed up and he isn't sitting out this season. AH isn't at the end of his career so we cant assume how will handle a true injury like that. I cant say he takes off plays. Does he flop around on the ground? Yes. Is he selfish? Yes, but he is a beast on the field and he makes teams adjust for him. If just him being unconditioned last season means he took plays off then that goes to a piss poor run orginazation last year.

We dont know the truth of his illness but if he really does have what's being reported then how cant you compare them. They are the same type of people just diffrent times.

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Well in the good old days, the game was a game, now it is a business trying to generate revenue, with the added virus of the cult of celebrity and hype. Like I mentioned before, the good ole Protestant work ethic has been pretty much wiped out to boot. Pick your poison. The salaries and money are so out of this world you have athletes just going after the $$$$$$$$, and since the bulk of the salaries are guaranteed money, not much incentive to bust ass. That is why guys on their second or even third contracts usually have a big decline in production. The AH situation could be salvaged, but AH and MS need to come to terms and end the drama. IF AH can beat this affliction of his and stay healthy and produce this all will die away. This drama didn't have to get to the point of being a circus though.

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[quote=Defensewins;722946]Did you read my post? I said,
"Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
[B]Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?[/B]
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
[B]A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face[/B]."[/quote]

Yeah sorry. Just gonna flat out disagree with you. Me calling him a puss from "behind my computer screen" doesn't make me a pussy. If he didn't act like one, I and plenty of other fans of this team wouldn't have that opinion of him.

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[quote=Mechanix544;722953]"Stupidest thing ever said on this board"

- I know he is a pain in our ass, but cut arguably the best DT in the entire league??????

[/quote]

Then why won't he practice with the rest of the team and why would a coach whose job depends on the teams performance ....not play him?

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I thought that AH would come around, and that he was just "expressing himself" (use air quotes for full effect). But now I have no idea how this whole thing plays out. I don't see a trade as being in the best interests of the Skins, and AH definitely doesn't sound like he is getting with the program.
Here is a Fanhouse interview with Shanny:
[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/22/mike-shanahan-not-taking-albert-haynesworths-excuses/]Mike Shanahan Not Taking Albert Haynesworth's Excuses -- NFL FanHouse[/url]
[QUOTE]On Sunday afternoon, Redskins coach Mike Shanahan had his say.

"One thing for sure that is clear to me is that Albert has gotten away in the past with playing without practicing,'' Shanahan said. "That will not happen under this regime. If he's going to play, he's going to practice, and that is the same with every player here. The days of him playing without practicing are over. And that, to me, says it all.''

And as far as the condition that Haynesworth is reported to possibly have -- rhabdomyolysis -- that concerns muscle fiber damage? Shanahan said: "Not aware of that.''[/QUOTE]

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Rhabdomyolysis occurs when you work out in extreme heat without being in shape. Notice: without being in shape.

So AH's remarks, recontextualized, were: "Why did Shanny call it a headache when I have rhabdomyolysis, which you get from not being in shape. Why didn't he tell everyone that I'm out-of-shape? But I didn't have it so bad that I missed the game. So what I'll do is miss OTA's again next year and show up out-of-shape again - that will solve the problem."

Once again we see that arrogance is as stupid does.

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I think he got it(Rhabdomyolysis) when he lost the 35 lbs. He overdid it got it, then couldn't perform for the fitness test, thus the drama. Who knows how it played out in reality, since AH and the team docs only know. AH could be bullshitting of course, but it could be a case of the boy who cried wolf type thing. AH has been such a pain in the ass on his own and this stuff comes up. It could be a real issue, maybe not, but nobody is going to believe him. His outbrust though saying he is going to miss OTA's next year doesn't help his case any. I just can't see how the guy loses 35 lbs and isn't in decent shape. He had to do a lot of running, etc to lose that much.

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Wow, Sally Jenkins of the WaPo just crucified Fat Albert in a column... There are occasions when I don't agree with her, but she is right on here.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202581.html]Sally Jenkins - Albert Haynesworth has failed every test issued by Mike Shanahan[/url]

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Yeah that was a good read.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;723007]Wow, Sally Jenkins of the WaPo just crucified Fat Albert in a column... There are occasions when I don't agree with her, but she is right on here.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202581.html"]Sally Jenkins - Albert Haynesworth has failed every test issued by Mike Shanahan[/URL][/quote]

[B][SIZE=4]THAT'S[/SIZE][/B]..............my girl!
Btw...Shanny, you a BAD ass.. Damaged kidney....DAMN

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She is dead on. His antics are ruining his value not only on the team but any other team in the league that might want to acquire him.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;723021]She is dead on. His antics are ruining his value not only on the team but any other team in the league that might want to acquire him.[/quote]

Agreed. That was really good read.

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AH needs to calm down, shut up, and just get back to work. AH needs to call a truce with his coach and push a "reset" button of their own.

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Congrats Sally! You're on the money with your analysis. Knowing more about Shanahan's past heroics and Haynesworth's shenanigans, I think I know who will win this contest of wills.

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Great article by Sally. Now who's the twat? AH!!

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Great article. Who's still on Haynesworth's side?

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Awesome article by Sally. I never knew Shanahan was so much of a bad ass. Ironically that story might be why Shanahan doesn't kill his players during practice, which in turn is all the more surprising that Haynesworth has had trouble practicing. Shanahan seems to be a very veteran friendly coach. All he ask is that you when you do practice you give it your all and when you're off the field you make sure you study your playbook and the gameplan for the upcoming week. That's the thing I've noticed with Shanahan as he seems to be a more cerebral coach, even down to how he deals with players.

By the way has anyone posted this quote. Not quite as bad ass as the kidney story, but still worthy of the title.
[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/22/mike-shanahan-not-taking-albert-haynesworths-excuses/]Mike Shanahan Not Taking Albert Haynesworth's Excuses -- NFL FanHouse[/url]
[quote]"One thing for sure that is clear to me is that Albert has gotten away in the past with playing without practicing,'' Shanahan said. "That will not happen under this regime. If he's going to play, he's going to practice, and that is the same with every player here. The days of him playing without practicing are over. And that, to me, says it all.''[/quote]

[quote]Sources within the team said that Haynesworth complained of dizziness and headaches last week and was asked if he was dehydrated. He said no, but tests revealed he actually was dehydrated. When he was told he would not play in the Ravens preseason game without practice, the headaches eventually "disappeared,'' a Redskins coach said.

Shanahan said that he will continue to work to get the best from Haynesworth.

"We know what type of talent he is,'' Shanahan said. "We will keep looking for that.''[/quote]