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[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;725226]Just saw on twitter Adam Scheffter reports bungholes cut him and took an 8 mil loss. Should we look at him????? Also L Coles was cut by jets[/quote]

The guy can't stay healthy. We've already got one of those. Plus Galloway seems to be having a good camp and has shown that he can still run by guys. I say we pass.

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I always like Coles. He aint gonna hurt nothing he's 31.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;725311]Don't forget Terrance Toliver from LSU or that 6'5" guy from Pittsburgh.[/quote]

Jonathan Baldwin is the one from Pittsburgh. I reviewed sum of his tape after i initially read a mock draft for us gettin him next year. He has alot of high points but he doesnt seem to be very physical. If there is a corner right there with him going up for a ball he kinda just gives up. Hopefully he gets better with it this year. A sleeper WR pick in the draft is gonna be Greg Little, WR out of North Carolina. This guy might be the 2nd coming of Terrell Owens. Dunno if thats good or not but he is def a gamer. Has a ridiculous competitive edge and attacks the ball in the air. We will see what happens.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;725341]I always like Coles. He aint gonna hurt nothing he's 31.[/quote]

I like coles to but F him he ain't want to be here the first time.

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I was reading about Bryant - failed drug test, a couple of years of injuries... Per Wikipedia (the most reliable source of info) - he had a lawsuit to get them to stop drug testing him. Great. Then he had a spat with TO for the jersey number (#81) in training camp..

Anyway, I just feel this looks too ridiculous for Cincy - there's an obvious huge RED flag. Maybe his injury is worse than we know, maybe another failed drug test, some other club incident.. I don't know. When things are too good to be true - there is something fishy going on. Haynesworth would have to kill someone for us to part ways with him after $21 million this year. I just wonder what's wrong with Bryant.

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[quote=PHazard;725369]Jonathan Baldwin is the one from Pittsburgh. I reviewed sum of his tape after i initially read a mock draft for us gettin him next year. He has alot of high points but he doesnt seem to be very physical. If there is a corner right there with him going up for a ball he kinda just gives up. Hopefully he gets better with it this year. A sleeper WR pick in the draft is gonna be Greg Little, WR out of North Carolina. This guy might be the 2nd coming of Terrell Owens. Dunno if thats good or not but he is def a gamer. Has a ridiculous competitive edge and attacks the ball in the air. We will see what happens.[/quote]

Greg Little is also a monster as well, So there are 5 or 6 sure 1st rounders coming in the draft at WR (Not to mention speedy Ryan Broyles from OU as a sleeper slot Eddie Royal type)

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[quote=vallin21;725273]If he's healthy enough to play wk 1 sign him... Bryant is a decent #1, whose better than any of our WR's we have now, plus Allen wanted to bring him in anyway.

Opening Day WR's

1. Bryant X
2. Thomas Z
3. Moss Y
4. Armstrong
5. Kelly
6. Banks[/quote]

You can dump Kelly at this point. We paid him similarly to what the Bengals did with Bryant. Except ours was over a 2 1/2 year period. We got nothing out of a 2nd round pick.

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[quote=ethat001;725375]I was reading about Bryant - failed drug test, a couple of years of injuries... Per Wikipedia (the most reliable source of info) - he had a lawsuit to get them to stop drug testing him. Great. Then he had a spat with TO for the jersey number (#81) in training camp..

Anyway, I just feel this looks too ridiculous for Cincy - there's an obvious huge RED flag. Maybe his injury is worse than we know, maybe another failed drug test, some other club incident.. I don't know. When things are too good to be true - there is something fishy going on. Haynesworth would have to kill someone for us to part ways with him after $21 million this year. I just wonder what's wrong with Bryant.[/quote]


You can forget that then. This guy is bad news!!!!!!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;725274]Opening day starter? This isn't like basketball or baseball where you can simply plug and play. Hypothetically if we signed him it would take at least 4 weeks to get up to speed on the offense.[/quote]

I doubt it would take very long at all. Plus we are 3 weeks out right now. He played in Tampa while Kyle Shanahan was there ...most likely when KS was the WR's coach so he should know him and how good he can be.

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[quote=12thMan;725304]I just don't see Shanny bringing a guy off the street who hasn't spent one day in practice nor learing the system when all he preaches is, "if you don't practice you don't play." Would he really spend all summer going back and forth with Haynesworth, chief diva, and bring in a headcase like Bryant who has practiced only once for $8 mil? Wouldn't that just be rosey?

No chance Bryant or any other warmed over body (see Vince Jackson) who hasn't spent this summer in a Redskins uniform practing. The only thing I see forcing Shanny's hand is an injury to somone like Santana Moss. Otherwise I think he's rolling with the crew he's got right now.[/quote]


You'd be correct except I believe Bryant worked with K.Shanahan while in Tampa. I would imagine if KS wants him then dad will make sure he gets him. It wouldn't be a situation where they are bringing in someone they don't know or doesn't sorta know the system.

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If healthy bring him in see if he can produce mrs then Kelly ( in other words can he get on the field) and if so... cut Kelly. We may not know what Kelly can due cause he's been injured, but we do know what he can't do and that's stay healthy long enough to show what he can do or produce on the field.

Cut Cut Cut!

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Unless he plays against the Cards and does very well, Kelly being cut is a lock. I rather get Coles than Bryant. I didn't realize Bryant was a headcase.

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Ok looking at A. Bryants #s he has had one 1000yard season and a total of 30 TDs and only 5500 yards in 8 seasons. Not that impressive at all and certainly not elite. I do not know how much he would really add to our current recieving core other than expirience and a knack for getting hurt. He is in no way better than S. Moss as others have stated.

I am somewhat shocked to think he even got a 4year 28 million dollar contract.

VJ has had 2 back to back 1000 yard season on less than 79 rec, but his average ypc has always been in the nieghborhood of 15-17 which is in that elite category. He still has alot to build on, but he may be a player that gets his payday and regresses. Buyer be wary on his production as well.

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Maybe someone can explain how Bryant is a head case? As I remember it he did well in Tampa then wanted a better contract, similar to what's happening with VJ. Didn't Tampa decide to trade him to Dallas cause he would't play for his cheap contract? Other then that what problems has he caused? Someone said he failed a drug test... how long ago was that?

Bring him in, put some rules in place, cut Kelly, and let's see if Bryant can get on the field cause we already know Kelly can't.

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Antonio Bryant once took a swing at Bill Parcells. I don't know if that makes him a bad ass or a moron, or a little of both. Either way I still take my chances with Kelly before Bryant

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[quote=GMScud;725254]Just heard on NFL Network that Bryant only practiced once with the Bengals because of his knee. $8M for one practice!!?? Wow. Good for him.[/quote]

Damn, Kelly should bargain for a new contract.

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[quote=SBXVII;725377]You can dump Kelly at this point. We paid him similarly to what the Bengals did with Bryant. Except ours was over a 2 1/2 year period. We got nothing out of a 2nd round pick.[/quote]

how is 4 years for 3.36 mil/1.6 guaranteed anything NEAR what the Bengals did with Bryant?

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[quote=SmootSmack;725389]Antonio Bryant once took a swing at Bill Parcells. I don't know if that makes him a bad ass or a moron, or a little of both. Either way I still take my chances with Kelly before Bryant[/quote]As pissed as I am that Kelly is in Taylor Jacobs' class in terms of fragility, I tend to agree. Bryant has a reputation for his attitude. I'm hoping that Kelly shows Shanny something on Thursday to make releasing him a tough call.

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How about his lack of putting up good numbers and making a big impact on a team?

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[quote=SBXVII;725388]Maybe someone can explain how Bryant is a head case? As I remember it he did well in Tampa then wanted a better contract, similar to what's happening with VJ. Didn't Tampa decide to trade him to Dallas cause he would't play for his cheap contract? Other then that what problems has he caused? Someone said he failed a drug test... how long ago was that?

Bring him in, put some rules in place, cut Kelly, and let's see if Bryant can get on the field cause we already know Kelly can't.[/quote]

Rumblings about Bryant's testy, prickly nature have followed the Miami native since his days at Pittsburgh, where he won the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top college receiver.

He infamously blew up at Dallas Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells at a preseason practice in 2004, throwing a sweaty jersey at him during an argument. He took anger management classes and was traded to Cleveland a few months later.

Rumblings about Bryant's testy, prickly nature have followed the Miami native since his days at Pittsburgh, where he won the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top college receiver.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2671010]49ers wide receiver Antonio Bryant arrested for drunken driving - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Obviously, it turned out that Bryant's knee wasn't healthy. He never got on the field for a preseason game, and I guess the Bengals had seen enough to know that he wasn't going to be able to help them in the regular season, either. Letting him go after paying him $8 million for 172 days of light jogging is an indication that they were pretty damn certain of it, actually.

Don't hold anything against Bryant, though. I'm sure he was as optimistic and hopeful about his knee as anyone else, and it's not like he held a gun to Mike Brown's(notes) head and made him give him a contract. If a team's going to sign a guy, it's their responsibility to make sure all his limbs are functional first.

Bryant's a free agent now, able to negotiate with any team that's interested. It's hard to imagine anyone beating down his door, given what everyone knows now about the health of his knee. The silver lining, though, is that the Bengals have made him financially secure enough that, if he wants to, he can take a year off and concentrate on getting that knee healthy. Let's hope he comes back in 2011, stronger than ever.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ouch-Bengals-swallow-8-million-in-release-of-A?urn=nfl-265883]Ouch: Bengals swallow $8 million in release of Antonio Bryant - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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I say just draft a WR or two next season. Why waste time with Kelly? Moss, Armstrong, Austin, Banks, Galloway, and Thomas is a solid WR corp.

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I'd still say bring him in. He's relatively cheap since we don't have to give up a draft pick, if there is no structural damage to his knee (which I'm hearing) then he will be healthy and able to participate soon as opposed to Kelly who has had 2 1/2 yrs of bench warming.

What did I mean about the Skins situation with Kelly being similar to Cinci's situation with Bryant? It's not that hard to figure out..... Kelly was a 2nd round draft pick which means he was signed to a decent contract and we have paid over a 2 yr period for one games worth of playing.

and... I was wrong about KS and Bryant being together in Tampa. KS was there in 04/05, while Bryant was there in 08

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This doesn't sound too good:

One NFL medical person -- don't want to be too specific -- told me Sunday that the injury that is apparently plaguing fired Cincinnati wideout Antonio Bryant could be Chondral Defect of the knee. "If you're not looking for it, you won't find it,'' this official said. "It's a long-term knee problem that won't go away.'' The ailment refers to a complicated cartilage injury to the knee. Whether that's the exact injury plaguing Bryant or not, it's incredible that a team investigating a free-agent wide receiver who missed most of 2009 with a knee problem would have passed him on the physical this year, handed him a four-year, $28 million contract, and then watched as he practiced one time all summer in training camp before cutting him Sunday.

I'm stunned the Bengals passed Bryant on his physical, then handed him $7.85 million in guarantees. Stunned. Whether the Bengals have good players in reserve at wide receiver -- they do -- is not the point. Wasting millions on a player clearly not ready to play is.

In the past two years, the Bengals have signed two veteran receivers to deals averaging $7 million a year. Laveranues Coles gave them a year. Antonio Bryant didn't make it out of his first August with the team. Good thing they've got the draft, because Jermaine Gresham (first round) should be an impact tight end for them and Jordan Shipley (third round) is set to be a solid slot guy. And they got Terrell Owens cheap. He'll probably start alongside Chad Ochocinco. I just can't figure out why they blew it two years in a row on receivers no other teams were very interested in.



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Bryant got $8 million for basically participating in one practice...and now his agent is going to ask the Bengals for more money

[url=http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100829/SPT02/308290023/1066/Bryant-fired-wants-a-payday]Bengals release receiver Antonio Bryant | cincinnati.com | Cincinnati.Com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;725495]This doesn't sound too good:

One NFL medical person -- don't want to be too specific -- told me Sunday that the injury that is apparently plaguing fired Cincinnati wideout Antonio Bryant could be Chondral Defect of the knee. "If you're not looking for it, you won't find it,'' this official said. "It's a long-term knee problem that won't go away.'' The ailment refers to a complicated cartilage injury to the knee. Whether that's the exact injury plaguing Bryant or not, it's incredible that a team investigating a free-agent wide receiver who missed most of 2009 with a knee problem would have passed him on the physical this year, handed him a four-year, $28 million contract, and then watched as he practiced one time all summer in training camp before cutting him Sunday.

I'm stunned the Bengals passed Bryant on his physical, then handed him $7.85 million in guarantees. Stunned. Whether the Bengals have good players in reserve at wide receiver -- they do -- is not the point. Wasting millions on a player clearly not ready to play is.

In the past two years, the Bengals have signed two veteran receivers to deals averaging $7 million a year. Laveranues Coles gave them a year. Antonio Bryant didn't make it out of his first August with the team. Good thing they've got the draft, because Jermaine Gresham (first round) should be an impact tight end for them and Jordan Shipley (third round) is set to be a solid slot guy. And they got Terrell Owens cheap. He'll probably start alongside Chad Ochocinco. I just can't figure out why they blew it two years in a row on receivers no other teams were very interested in.



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Not only that but they never in a billion trillion years should have let him practice. If they had any doubts at all about his knee then they had to hold him out. Because they let him practice they punted the chance to PUP him. Maybe the worst health related decision ever. Their doctors ought to be canned for letting it happen. Along with anyone else who should have known better.

Plus they're going to have to pay him his salary. No way around it...they owe him his salary per the CBA.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/31/rumors-swirl-that-antonio-bryant-could-be-done/]Rumors swirl that Antonio Bryant could be done | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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You know I wouldn't mind bringing him in as long as its for ............................................................

THE VET MINIMUM !!!!!

I can't believe it hasn't been said it yet

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[quote=Mattyk;725495]This doesn't sound too good:

One NFL medical person -- don't want to be too specific -- told me Sunday that the injury that is apparently plaguing fired Cincinnati wideout Antonio Bryant could be Chondral Defect of the knee. "If you're not looking for it, you won't find it,'' this official said. "It's a long-term knee problem that won't go away.'' The ailment refers to a complicated cartilage injury to the knee. Whether that's the exact injury plaguing Bryant or not, it's incredible that a team investigating a free-agent wide receiver who missed most of 2009 with a knee problem would have passed him on the physical this year, handed him a four-year, $28 million contract, and then watched as he practiced one time all summer in training camp before cutting him Sunday.

[B]I'm stunned the Bengals passed Bryant on his physical, then handed him $7.85 million in guarantees. Stunned. Whether the Bengals have good players in reserve at wide receiver -- they do -- is not the point. Wasting millions on a player clearly not ready to play is.[/B]

In the past two years, the Bengals have signed two veteran receivers to deals averaging $7 million a year. Laveranues Coles gave them a year. Antonio Bryant didn't make it out of his first August with the team. Good thing they've got the draft, because Jermaine Gresham (first round) should be an impact tight end for them and Jordan Shipley (third round) is set to be a solid slot guy. And they got Terrell Owens cheap. He'll probably start alongside Chad Ochocinco. I just can't figure out why they blew it two years in a row on receivers no other teams were very interested in.



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Why doesn't Mike Borwn just hire GM??? Why give a guy that kind of money when they know he can't make it on the field? Don't they ever do their homework? Coles was washed up but at least he got on the field. They should just stick to drafting guys cause they seem to do well in that area.

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[quote=SmootSmack;725497]Bryant got $8 million for basically participating in one practice...and now his agent is going to ask the Bengals for more money

[URL="http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100829/SPT02/308290023/1066/Bryant-fired-wants-a-payday"]Bengals release receiver Antonio Bryant | cincinnati.com | Cincinnati.Com[/URL][/quote]

If he's legally entitled to the cash then he should go after it. Doesn't matter if he couldn't get on the field.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;725896]You know I wouldn't mind bringing him in as long as its for ............................................................

THE VET MINIMUM !!!!!

I can't believe it hasn't been said it yet[/quote]

Well there is two problems with that thought process....

1- Bryant is due like 8 mill from the Bengals and if he signs with another team it releases them from the 8 mill responsibility... or so I've heard/read. So why take vet min. when you could receive 8 mill for all of 2010?

2- I've mentioned bringing him in because he would be better talent then Kelly and Bryant from what I've heard is almost back to 100%, but I was politely informed that he has issues (possibly mental) and doesn't play well with others..... and I guess now his knees are bad... I guess. So I really don't know what to believe about his knees, but he has had personality issues. Oh and a drug issue cause he failed a drug test. But anyone who throws a punch at the Tuna is alright by me..... even though I sorta like the tuna. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;725902]Well there is two problems with that thought process....

1- Bryant is due like 8 mill from the Bengals and if he signs with another team it releases them from the 8 mill responsibility... or so I've heard/read. So why take vet min. when you could receive 8 mill for all of 2010?

2- I've mentioned bringing him in because he would be better talent then Kelly and Bryant from what I've heard is almost back to 100%, but I was politely informed that he has issues (possibly mental) and doesn't play well with others..... and I guess now his knees are bad... I guess. So I really don't know what to believe about his knees, but he has had personality issues. Oh and a drug issue cause he failed a drug test. But anyone who throws a punch at the Tuna is alright by me..... even though I sorta like the tuna. lol.[/quote]

Okay 1. I wasn't serious.

2. I wasn't serious.

and finally 3. I wasn't serious.

Vet minimum used to be the go to response anytime a player was mentioned. Just tried to have a little fun while getting my work day started.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;725904]Okay 1. I wasn't serious.

2. I wasn't serious.

and finally 3. I wasn't serious.

Vet minimum used to be the go to response anytime a player was mentioned. Just tried to have a little fun while getting my work day started.[/quote]

Got it. Got it. Got it. Thanx.

It really doesn't matter.... it sounds like Bryant is washed up. I just hope the Skins handle Kelly right.... either an injury settlement or PUP list. I'd prefer to cut him with the injury settlement but they could easily put him on the PUP list and see if he is healthy in 6 weeks and ready to play and cut him then if he's not.

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Kelly is not eligible for the PUP list. At this point it's IR or cut time.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_Unable_to_Perform]Physically Unable to Perform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster, even if they take part in only the first few minutes of the first practice.

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Your response almost had me crying over here. Very clever ! As far as Bryant, if thise knee issue is as bad as it is then like many have said he could be done. As far as Kelly goes, there is a thread drdicated to it but I agree with you. I'd say to keep him and see what happens but the only thing is how long are they willing to wait ? I think for a while because Kyle spoke so highly of him during the offseason. Back to Bryant,... if he can get his knee straight then take a look. I like what we have at receiver for now though.

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People need to get over Bryant or Vincent Jackson at this point. I know we don't have a stud WR, but none of these guys are going to make us any better.

Bryant's knee was bad enough that the Bengals decided to cut their loses and give up $8 mil in cutting him.

Jackson has not seen any football action in a while, has not been to training camp, and will likely cost a lot for any team to trade for him (since SD holds all the cards on that bargain). Plus on top of that he has a suspension for a couple of games pending, and will likely want a big contract.

Let's just stick with what we have, instead of paying money or draft picks for another blunder.

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[quote=Ruhskins;725913]People need to get over Bryant or Vincent Jackson at this point. I know we don't have a stud WR, but none of these guys are going to make us any better.

Bryant's knee was bad enough that the Bengals decided to cut their loses and give up $8 mil in cutting him.

Jackson has not seen any football action in a while, has not been to training camp, and will likely cost a lot for any team to trade for him (since SD holds all the cards on that bargain). Plus on top of that he has a suspension for a couple of games pending, and will likely want a big contract.

Let's just stick with what we have, instead of paying money or draft picks for another blunder.[/quote]

Agreed. I think we'll be solid enough at WR, and our two exceptional TE's will give us more than enough targets.

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i'd rather sign marvin harrison

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^^ LOL... nah I'm good on that Philly thug.

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[quote=Ruhskins;725913]People need to get over Bryant or Vincent Jackson at this point. I know we don't have a stud WR, but none of these guys are going to make us any better.

Bryant's knee was bad enough that the Bengals decided to cut their loses and give up $8 mil in cutting him.

Jackson has not seen any football action in a while, has not been to training camp, and will likely cost a lot for any team to trade for him (since SD holds all the cards on that bargain). Plus on top of that he has a suspension for a couple of games pending, and will likely want a big contract.

Let's just stick with what we have, instead of paying money or draft picks for another blunder.[/quote]

Agreed... :food-smil

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So when will be know the 5 the Redskins are cutting today? Anyone have any ideas?