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Also check out these ridiculous messages:

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/glenn-becks-restoring-hon_2_n_698834.html#s132404]Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor Rally: The Most Ridiculous Messages (PHOTOS)[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;726484]Also check out these ridiculous messages:

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/glenn-becks-restoring-hon_2_n_698834.html#s132404]Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor Rally: The Most Ridiculous Messages (PHOTOS)[/url][/quote]

I don't get it. While maybe a few were over board, the event was called Restoring Honor, so why are there a bunch of T-shirts in this collection saying Restoring Honor. Unless you think that in itself is a ridiculous message, and if that's the case anything said is going to be ridiculous to you. It's like going to a RUSH concert and calling the people wearing the Farewell to Kings t-shirt bizarre.

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I think it is "wonderful" that messages of cooperation and restoration are vilified based on who they come from. Maybe that is the real problem with our system. No one wants to hear what the other side has to say...no matter what it is they are saying. Beck may be a donkey but on this day it seemed he tried for the event to be something of true value. Yet so many can't fathom that maybe, just maybe, he a few points here and there we can all agree on. Unity requires listening and discourse people...not out and out dismissal.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;726486]I don't get it. While maybe a few were over board, the event was called Restoring Honor, so why are there a bunch of T-shirts in this collection saying Restoring Honor. Unless you think that in itself is a ridiculous message, and if that's the case anything said is going to be ridiculous to you. It's like going to a RUSH concert and calling the people wearing the Farewell to Kings t-shirt bizarre.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its the Huffington Post....

I hear all the time people talk about how Beck is crazy, that’s he’s a fear monger, he lies, he’s raciest, ect. The hate that he receives is because hes so animated and occasionally goes off on tangents that its extremely easy to take clips from his program and show them on the daily show, msnbc, youtbue while making him look how you want him to look. For most people its inconvenient to watch his show because it comes on at 5pm, so they take the depictions from the clips as face value.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was hanging out with some people over the weekend in DC and the Glenn Beck rally came up. Everyone started to talk about how crazy he is and stuff. I stayed quite. So this was early in the evening. 2 of the guys talking about how crazy he is turn out to be hard core conservatives, like abolish the federal reserve and federal income taxes are illegal type stuff…. Im just thinking how did you trash Beck a couple hours ago and have these radical ideas???? Im guessing they have only watched selected clips from his show. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;726484]Also check out these ridiculous messages:

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/glenn-becks-restoring-hon_2_n_698834.html#s132404"]Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor Rally: The Most Ridiculous Messages (PHOTOS)[/URL][/quote]Huffington Post is really reaching on these.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;726490]Huffington Post is really reaching on these.[/quote]

Agreed. That's the Huff Post though...there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of the tees...a couple pins were funny. The radical right pin is really funny cause it relates to Becks twisting of history.

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[quote=FRPLG;726488]I think it is "wonderful" that messages of cooperation and restoration are vilified based on who they come from. Maybe that is the real problem with our system. No one wants to hear what the other side has to say...no matter what it is they are saying. Beck may be a donkey but on this day it seemed he tried for the event to be something of true value. Yet so many can't fathom that maybe, just maybe, he a few points here and there we can all agree on. Unity requires listening and discourse people...not out and out dismissal.[/quote]

I dismiss insanity pretty readily. When someone gets up and starts claiming that we as a nation need to turn back to a mythological being in hopes of fixing real world problems... sorry, I don't need to listen to that nonsense. I wonder... if this were someone saying that the US needs to turn to Allah for guidance in order to restore honor (whatever the hell that even means), how would that work out? Buddha? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster"]Pastafarianism[/URL]? Sorry, crazy is crazy. I don't pay attention to the guy on the train rambling about the end of the world and I likewise can't be bothered with an uneducated blowhard spouting equivalent drivel. The only reason it's even worthy of discussion is that there are at least 300,000 like minded lunatics.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726506]I dismiss insanity pretty readily. When someone gets up and starts claiming that we as a nation need to turn back to a mythological being in hopes of fixing real world problems... sorry, I don't need to listen to that nonsense. I wonder... if this were someone saying that the US needs to turn to Allah for guidance in order to restore honor (whatever the hell that even means), how would that work out? Buddha? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster"]Pastafarianism[/URL]? Sorry, crazy is crazy. I don't pay attention to the guy on the train rambling about the end of the world and I likewise can't be bothered with an uneducated blowhard spouting equivalent drivel. The only reason it's even worthy of discussion is that there are at least 300,000 like minded lunatics.[/quote]
Dam the left likes to call people names that don't agree with them. Just go through this entire thread and see the name calling. I thought the left was the party of inclusion, yea my ass. Thats all right november is just a month away.

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First, so I have a question. Do you consider me a part of the "left"? Should be fairly easy to answer.

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[quote=firstdown;726512]Dam the left likes to call people names that don't agree with them. Just go through this entire thread and see the name calling. I thought the left was the party of inclusion, yea my ass. Thats all right november is just a month away.[/quote]

I'm really only "left" on the religion thing, gets me fired up every time.

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[quote=firstdown;726512]Dam the left likes to call people names that don't agree with them. Just go through this entire thread and see the name calling. I thought the left was the party of inclusion, yea my ass. Thats all right november is just a month away.[/quote]

You might want to check your calendar there boss, wouldn't want you showing up too early

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[quote=Mattyk;726523]You might want to check your calendar there boss, wouldn't want you showing up too early[/quote]

lololololololol

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726506]I dismiss insanity pretty readily. When someone gets up and starts claiming that we as a nation need to turn back to a mythological being in hopes of fixing real world problems... sorry, I don't need to listen to that nonsense. I wonder... if this were someone saying that the US needs to turn to Allah for guidance in order to restore honor (whatever the hell that even means), how would that work out? Buddha? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster"]Pastafarianism[/URL]? Sorry, crazy is crazy. I don't pay attention to the guy on the train rambling about the end of the world and I likewise can't be bothered with an uneducated blowhard spouting equivalent drivel. The only reason it's even worthy of discussion is that there are at least 300,000 like minded lunatics.[/quote]

Totally agree. He might as well have been up there reading fairy tales.

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[quote=firstdown;726512]Dam the left likes to call people names that don't agree with them. Just go through this entire thread and see the name calling. I thought the left was the party of inclusion, yea my ass. Thats all right november is just a month away.[/quote]

Wow. Two epic fails in one thread. Those are Hall of Fame numbers right there.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726506]I dismiss insanity pretty readily. When someone gets up and starts claiming that we as a nation need to turn back to a mythological being in hopes of fixing real world problems... sorry, I don't need to listen to that nonsense. I wonder... if this were someone saying that the US needs to turn to Allah for guidance in order to restore honor (whatever the hell that even means), how would that work out? Buddha? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster"]Pastafarianism[/URL]? Sorry, crazy is crazy. I don't pay attention to the guy on the train rambling about the end of the world and I likewise can't be bothered with an uneducated blowhard spouting equivalent drivel. The only reason it's even worthy of discussion is that there are at least 300,000 like minded lunatics.[/quote]

Just an FYI there are many millions of people who believe in the "Mythological" being in this world. And many of the worlds best and brightest.

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[quote=12thMan;726513]First, so I have a question. Do you consider me a part of the "left"? Should be fairly easy to answer.[/quote]

Yes, but I don't recall you playing the name game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;726528]Wow. Two epic fails in one thread. Those are Hall of Fame numbers right there.[/quote]

First time ballot at that.

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[quote=Mattyk;726523]You might want to check your calendar there boss, wouldn't want you showing up too early[/quote]

Football season starts earlier at my house.

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[quote=FRPLG;726488]I think it is "wonderful" that messages of cooperation and restoration are vilified based on who they come from. Maybe that is the real problem with our system. No one wants to hear what the other side has to say...no matter what it is they are saying. Beck may be a donkey but on this day it seemed he tried for the event to be something of true value. Yet so many can't fathom that maybe, just maybe, he a few points here and there we can all agree on. Unity requires listening and discourse people...not out and out dismissal.[/quote]

I liked the fact that he mentioned mosques in his speech/sermon but then I thought to myself hasn't this guy been riling against the "ground zero" mosque and the imam behind it with nonsensical attacks? What part if his speech/sermon did you like and did any of it give you pause?


Beck lacks character IMO.

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[quote=Mattyk;726523]You might want to check your calendar there boss, wouldn't want you showing up too early[/quote]


LOOOL



Don't listen to them firstdown, November is a month away!

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[quote=saden1;726560]I liked the fact that he mentioned mosques in his speech/sermon but then I thought to myself hasn't this guy been riling against the "ground zero" mosque and the imam behind it with nonsensical attacks? What part if his speech/sermon did you like and did any of it give you pause?


Beck lacks character IMO.[/quote]

This is the part I most like aka found most humorous:

As for miracles, Beck cited only one. He described a V-shaped flyover by a flock of geese down the length of the Reflecting Pool on the National Mall that was caught on tape and applauded by the crowd.

"Coincidence? Maybe. I think it was God's flyover," Beck said

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[quote=Hog1;726549]Just an FYI there are many millions of people who believe in the "Mythological" being in this world. And many of the worlds best and brightest.[/quote]


Obama included!

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[quote=saden1;726568]LOOOL



Don't listen to them firstdown, November is a month away![/quote]

Thanks.LOL

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[quote=Hog1;726549][B]Just an FYI there are many millions of people who believe in the "Mythological" being in this world[/B]. And many of the worlds best and brightest.[/quote]

True, but there are millions more that believe in other mythological being(s). You've got numbers on your side right now (I'm assuming you're christian, apologies if i'm wrong), but were the ratios reversed and the vast majority of citizens hindu/buddhist/islamic/whatever, would you like your laws to reflect their beliefs?

Easiest, most rational solution is to disassociate government from all/any religion until such a time as one/all can be proven to in fact be based upon something real. That means empirical proof, not hallucinogenic interpretations of migrating fowl. Now if you see four horsemen, I reserve the right to change my stance.

And to prevent further uncomfortable bunching of female undergarments, please note that: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology"]The term "myth" is often used colloquially to refer to a false story, but academic use of the term generally does not pass judgment on truth or falsity.[/URL]

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[quote=saden1;726560]I liked the fact that he mentioned mosques in his speech/sermon but then I thought to myself hasn't this guy been riling against the "ground zero" mosque and the imam behind it with nonsensical attacks? What part if his speech/sermon did you like and did any of it give you pause?


Beck lacks character IMO.[/quote]

I don't necessarily disagree really. It just smacks me in the face how conservatives get so demonized for being noninclusive and unreasonable when there are just as many liberals with the same kind of mentality. Beck is a douche..but to dismiss every single thing the guy says, like some are want to do, adds so very little to the discourse. There are a lot of people who find common ground with some or all of what he says. They're not all stupid no matter what some believe.

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[quote=FRPLG;726610]I don't necessarily disagree really. It just smacks me in the face how conservatives get so demonized for being noninclusive and unreasonable when there are just as many liberals with the same kind of mentality. Beck is a douche..but to dismiss every single thing the guy says, like some are want to do, adds so very little to the discourse. There are a lot of people who find common ground with some or all of what he says. They're not all stupid no matter what some believe.[/quote]

I wouldn't say all of them are stupid. I would say that all of them want to force elements of their religious beliefs upon the rest of us in hopes of kick starting some magical time machine that brings back the 1950's (or whatever decade that holds nostalgic significance to them as the US's honor high-water mark). I don't dismiss, out of hand, ideas solely because of who is expressing them. I will dismiss ideas that are based on flawed logic, or in this case, the absolute lack of logic.

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[quote=saden1;726560]I liked the fact that he mentioned mosques in his speech/sermon but then I thought to myself hasn't this guy been riling against the "ground zero" mosque and the imam behind it with nonsensical attacks? What part if his speech/sermon did you like and did any of it give you pause?


Beck lacks character IMO.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]He had some Imam's on stage, and Rabbi's, Priest, Ministers and other members of the "Black Robed Army". [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]His beef with the "GZM" (i just made up that term) is that he thinks we should look into where the money that is funding it comes from, since many view the motives behind the imam wanting to build there as questionable. Also there was a Greek Orthodox Church destroyed when the twin towers fell, that has not been granted approval to rebuild. They submitted paperwork to rebuild their church pretty much immediately after their church was destroyed. I believe that the GZM only recently (last couple of years) made the request to build their mosque. The Greek church has been tired up by red tape, while the GZM was pushed to the front of the line for some reason, likely political (much like how the Skins, Lions and Vikes all cut Marko, political bs). [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]He says that they imam should be able to build the GZM if he provides proof of where the money being used to build the mosque comes from. I completely disagree with Beck on this. I say don’t make them jump through hoops to build their mosque, just let them build it just like you would any other group. If it turns out down the road that the money was tainted then take action then. But I don’t understand how you can hold the Greek church back and let this plan go through [/COLOR][/FONT]

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[quote=Chico23231;726569]This is the part I most like aka found most humorous:

As for miracles, Beck cited only one. He described a V-shaped flyover by a flock of geese down the length of the Reflecting Pool on the National Mall that was caught on tape and applauded by the crowd.

"Coincidence? Maybe. I think it was God's flyover," Beck said[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So Beck had requested a fly by at the event when it was first being planned since this was largely a tribute to military service members. It was denied, because you cant do fly bys in DC anymore (RFK-2 potential issue?). He also requested from each branch of the military to have someone present the flag, like a ceremonial raising or something. Each branch denied to offer their support because of how the public largely views Beck (inaccurately imo).[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This goose “flyby” happened at 9:59 right before the event kicked off at 10am. Im sure some may find meaning in it, while im sure some may have got shitted on. It comes down to your faith/luck or lack thereof i guess.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Its two blocks away from ground zero and cant be seen from the ground zero site. crazy this has become an issue

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[quote=Chico23231;726624]Its two blocks away from ground zero and cant be seen from the ground zero site. crazy this has become an issue[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I 100% agree, let them build it. Its just people villainizing another group of people they don’t understand and don’t take the time to look into for themselves. Kind of like some do with Beck…..[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=FRPLG;726610]I don't necessarily disagree really. It just smacks me in the face how conservatives get so demonized for being noninclusive and unreasonable when there are just as many liberals with the same kind of mentality. Beck is a douche..but to dismiss every single thing the guy says, like some are want to do, adds so very little to the discourse. There are a lot of people who find common ground with some or all of what he says. They're not all stupid no matter what some believe.[/quote]


People think we don't listen to what he says and that somehow we should heed and take stock in some of the things he says. I mean stuff like "work hard" and "love god" can't be dismissed but when it's peppered between his delusional rants it's hard not to dismiss him as a worthy messenger of ethics and love.


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has followers too.

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[quote=mlmpetert;726632][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I 100% agree, let them build it. Its just people villainizing another group of people they don’t understand and don’t take the time to look into for themselves. Kind of like some do with Beck…..[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]


Unfortunately Beck has a platform (or pulpit in this case) where he stands up and gives opinions which he is paid very well for. The message itself I agree with him 25% probably, maybe less. How he delievers that message I disagree with 100% of the time with his bullsh*t theatrics, crying, yelling, insults, lying, twisting of facts and stats, and most of all inconsistencies and hypocracies. Beck knows this type of bullsh*t, TMZ-like, pro wrestling acts sells...extremes. Sh*t I know papa bear probably grown a little jealous. Dude knows he gonna be hated and he loves it. Adds to that persona...you see how happy he was to let people know he wore a bullet proof vest for his service on Saturday? People need to wake up and see it for what it is...a damn circus

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726604]True, but there are millions more that believe in other mythological being(s). You've got numbers on your side right now (I'm assuming you're christian, apologies if i'm wrong), but were the ratios reversed and the vast majority of citizens hindu/buddhist/islamic/whatever, would you like your laws to reflect their beliefs?

Easiest, most rational solution is to disassociate government from all/any religion until such a time as one/all can be proven to in fact be based upon something real. That means empirical proof, not hallucinogenic interpretations of migrating fowl. Now if you see four horsemen, I reserve the right to change my stance.

And to prevent further uncomfortable bunching of female undergarments, please note that: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology"]The term "myth" is often used colloquially to refer to a false story, but academic use of the term generally does not pass judgment on truth or falsity.[/URL][/quote]

Well......you have drawn several conclusions (generally incorrect) and wandered....far from my simple statement.
But I charge you with this. Produce empirical data such that the only conclusion that can be drawn denies the existence of a supreme being in this universe.

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[quote=mlmpetert;726590]Obama included![/quote]

I'll have to confirm that with Reverend Wright......

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[quote=mlmpetert;726614][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]He had some Imam's on stage, and Rabbi's, Priest, Ministers and other members of the "Black Robed Army". [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]His beef with the "GZM" (i just made up that term) is that he thinks we should look into where the money that is funding it comes from, since many view the motives behind the imam wanting to build there as questionable. Also there was a Greek Orthodox Church destroyed when the twin towers fell, that has not been granted approval to rebuild. They submitted paperwork to rebuild their church pretty much immediately after their church was destroyed. I believe that the GZM only recently (last couple of years) made the request to build their mosque. The Greek church has been tired up by red tape, while the GZM was pushed to the front of the line for some reason, likely political (much like how the Skins, Lions and Vikes all cut Marko, political bs). [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]He says that they imam should be able to build the GZM if he provides proof of where the money being used to build the mosque comes from. I completely disagree with Beck on this. I say don’t make them jump through hoops to build their mosque, just let them build it just like you would any other group. If it turns out down the road that the money was tainted then take action then. But I don’t understand how you can hold the Greek church back and let this plan go through [/COLOR][/FONT][/quote]


If you want to know where the money is coming from you need only check their IRS filings. Jon Steward broke the whole [URL="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---homeland-edition?xrs=share_copy"]idiocy [/URL]of "where the money is coming from" question and his [URL="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap?xrs=share_copy"]follow up[/URL] is even more hilarious (a must see).

As for the whole Orthodox Church issue, well, you see, the ground zero mosque is actually two blocks away from ground zero and the orthodox church that was destroyed is right in front of one of the towers and within the land that belongs to ground zero. The orthodox church's inability to build is due to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey having the authority to prevent them from building while the same is not true of the planned Muslim community center building/land. The two have nothing to do with each other and I am not sure why people feel the need to make it appear as if the Muslim community center is getting preferential treatment.

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[quote=Hog1;726648]I'll have to confirm that with Reverend Wright......[/quote]


I believe he's still trapped under the bus.

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[quote=Hog1;726647]Well......you have drawn several conclusions (generally incorrect) and wandered....far from my simple statement.
But I charge you with this. Produce empirical data such that the only conclusion that can be drawn denies the existence of a supreme being in this universe.[/quote]

I take it you believe Allah exists?

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[quote=Hog1;726647]Well......you have drawn several conclusions (generally incorrect) and wandered....far from my simple statement.
But I charge you with this. Produce empirical data such that the only conclusion that can be drawn denies the existence of a supreme being in this universe.[/quote]

I cannot produce proof that Unicorns do not exist either, nor can I conclusively demonstrate the non-existence of bigfoot, leprechauns or gnomes. The lack of evidence is proof enough for a rational/[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism"]skeptica[/URL]l mind. The burden of proof lies with those claiming these "powers" exist. It is nothing short of systemic lunacy.

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Sooo.........you got ....nuthin'

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[quote=Hog1;726661]Sooo.........you got ....nuthin'[/quote]

Which would then mean I could base an entire religion around it, as has been done so many times throughout history. Like I said, I'm happy for other people to believe in these things if it helps them cope... whatever works. Just keep your crazy out of the government, thanks...