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2010 Week One QB ratings

McNabb 63.4

Drum roll

JC 69.7

Just say'n

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don't get me wrong with this post, but JC would have loved to have this OL last year. Now, can we all just move on, and hope that DM and the WR corp somehow hit a stride.

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[quote=mredskins;733123]2010 Week One QB ratings

McNabb 63.4

Drum roll

JC 69.7

Just say'n[/quote]

McNabb - About 6 dropped passes, 1 being a potential TD. 5.32 YPA. 0 ints.

JC - 4.86 YPA (A stat that might be more important then Passing efficiency once you factor in a TD:INT ratio)

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[quote=mredskins;733123]2010 Week One QB ratings

McNabb 63.4

Drum roll

JC 69.7

Just say'n[/quote]

LOL. The difference was McNabb didn't turn the ball over and he only took one sack. But this thread is stupid. Not even Peyton Manning would do well out in Oak. As someone else mentioned, what is an average QB going to do on a team that is worse than the 09 Skins? This thread should be closed.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;733145]McNabb - About 6 dropped passes, 1 being a potential TD. 5.32 YPA. 0 ints.

JC - 4.86 YPA (A stat that might be more important then Passing efficiency once you factor in a TD:INT ratio)[/quote]

McNabb 1-0

JC 0-1

the more important stat

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Let's agree to [U]not[/U] continue comparing JC and McNabb all year

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[quote=Ruhskins;731198]Proving that some fans are like girls that just got dumped, just can't let something go. :doh:[/quote]

You seem especially interested in us letting it go... you didn't happen to start a thread last year where you made silly claims based on selective stats did you? Might explain why you would come into an obvious JC bashing thread with sand in your vag... Just saying... if their's anyone with a bunched up thong here it sure isn't the people taking pot shots at the Raiders new QB... :)

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[quote=Mattyk;733162]Let's agree to [U]not[/U] continue comparing JC and McNabb all year[/quote]

haha..good luck with that.

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[quote=Chico23231;733154]McNabb 1-0

JC 0-1

the more important stat[/quote]

I personally try to steer clear of that stat. From what I've seen it's not exactly fair to peg wins and losses solely on the QB. My favorite example being 2008 Drew Brees. In 2008 the Saints were 7-9 when Brees posted a 96.2 passer rating with an 8.0 YPA. 2008 also saw Aaron Rodgers post a 93.2 passer rating with 7.5 YPA for a 6-10 team.

By the Wins-Loss rational Kerry Collins, Tavaris Jackson, and Jake Delhome were all better QB's in 2008 then Brees and Rodgers.

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^ Exactly. I moved on during JC's second yr. I'm not a fan nor a basher, he was a nice kid personally, but for whatever reason not able to get over the hump.

I'll say this though seeing the thread today (obviously late) I rolled my eye's and thought "can't people just move on", and saw several people saying that very thing. When I saw the "please lock this thread" I thought yes please, lets stop trying to add insult to injury.

Now I'm thinking "please leave this thread open" otherwise we will constantly have wonderful people starting a thread each week to talk about how bad JC is playing. So instead of that lets keep this one open so the very same people who can't let go can continue to talk to themselves about JC.

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[quote=Mattyk;733162]Let's agree to [U]not[/U] continue comparing JC and McNabb all year[/quote]

Come on Matty, you sure you dont want to continue the thread from last year comparing Jay Cutler, Dirty Sanchez, and JC? We could just go ahead and add McNabb to the list. Because that was real productive:doh:

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[quote=44 70 chip;733166]You seem especially interested in us letting it go... you didn't happen to start a thread last year where you made silly claims based on selective stats did you? Might explain why you would come into an obvious JC bashing thread with sand in your vag... Just saying... if their's anyone with a bunched up thong here it sure isn't the people taking pot shots at the Raiders new QB... :)[/quote]

Think you have him confused with someone else

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[quote=44 70 chip;733166]You seem especially interested in us letting it go... you didn't happen to start a thread last year where you made silly claims based on selective stats did you? Might explain why you would come into an obvious JC bashing thread with sand in your vag... Just saying... if their's anyone with a bunched up thong here it sure isn't the people taking pot shots at the Raiders new QB... :)[/quote]

What? :confused-

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[quote=SBXVII;733175]^ Exactly. I moved on during JC's second yr. I'm not a fan nor a basher, he was a nice kid personally, but for whatever reason not able to get over the hump.

I'll say this though seeing the thread today (obviously late) I rolled my eye's and thought "can't people just move on", and saw several people saying that very thing. When I saw the "please lock this thread" I thought yes please, lets stop trying to add insult to injury.

Now I'm thinking "please leave this thread open" otherwise we will constantly have wonderful people starting a thread each week to talk about how bad JC is playing. [B]So instead of that lets keep this one open so the very same people who can't let go can continue to talk to themselves about JC.[/B][/quote]

This thread can become an episode of Dr. Phil for these people...or Jerry Springer. :laughing2

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The Raiders are not a good team.
They're WRs are sub-par.
The OL is sub-par.
They have a decent to slightly above average running game.
It would be a tall task getting production from that unit for a [I][B][U]veteran OC[/U][/B][/I] and Jackson is basically a rookie.

Bottom line JC's production goes as the OL+WRs+OC

It was the 1st game against a good team, does everyone here expect our Redskins offense to struggle the way they did Week 1 for the entire season?

I didn't think so.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;733174]I personally try to steer clear of that stat. From what I've seen it's not exactly fair to peg wins and losses solely on the QB. My favorite example being 2008 Drew Brees. In 2008 the Saints were 7-9 when Brees posted a 96.2 passer rating with an 8.0 YPA. 2008 also saw Aaron Rodgers post a 93.2 passer rating with 7.5 YPA for a 6-10 team.

By the Wins-Loss rational Kerry Collins, Tavaris Jackson, and Jake Delhome were all better QB's in 2008 then Brees and Rodgers.[/quote]

Yeah I know it not particularly fair, I think there is some truth to it. Does Redskins win that game with JC at QB Sunday nite? Its not all stats all the time.

But I was mostly just fueling this pointless debate:FIREdevil

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[quote=mredskins;733123]2010 Week One QB ratings

McNabb 63.4

Drum roll

JC 69.7

Just say'n[/quote]


Wow this sparked some debate, I personally could careless and wish JC the best.

QB rating is is like WHiP in baseball the number really doesn't tell the whole story of how good the QB or pitcher played. So many intangibles that those stats don't capture.

McNabb on the final drive was awesome he kept us alive and the ball out of the Cowboys hands, hard to measure that in a QB rating but it played a major role in the outcome of the game.

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[quote=mredskins;733123]2010 Week One QB ratings

McNabb 63.4

Drum roll

JC 69.7

Just say'n[/quote]

Irrelevant, just like this thread.

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If things continue to go the way the way they have so far in Oakland, what little confidence JC had going when he left here will soon dissipate. It won't be long before he'll finally discover the fact the NFL may not exactly be his calling.

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[quote=Longtimefan;733223]If things continue to go the way the way they have so far in Oakland, what little confidence JC had going when he left here will soon dissipate. It won't be long before he'll finally discover the fact the NFL may not exactly be his calling.[/quote]

Or that is a bad idea to be a mediocre/below average QB playing behind terrible offensive lines.

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[quote=mredskins;733210]Wow this sparked some debate, I personally could careless and wish JC the best.
[B]
QB rating is is like WHiP in baseball the number really doesn't tell the whole story of how good the QB or pitcher played. So many intangibles that those stats don't capture. [/B]

McNabb on the final drive was awesome he kept us alive and the ball out of the Cowboys hands, hard to measure that in a QB rating but it played a major role in the outcome of the game.[/quote]Good analogy. Accurate, too.

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[quote=Ruhskins;733227]Or that is a bad idea to be a mediocre/below average QB playing behind terrible offensive lines.[/quote]

His ardent supporters can now use the same excuse they used when he was here. The Raiders O/L may be sub-par to the one he just moved on from. There comes a time when excuses exhaust themselves.

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[quote=Mattyk;733162]Let's agree to [U]not[/U] continue comparing JC and McNabb all year[/quote]I think the last thing that the "Jason Campbell was the only problem with last years team" crowd wants to do is compare them over a 16 game season. I think a lot of people just want to take their shot while they can and not re-visit it.

No chance of being wrong if they play it that way.

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[quote=Longtimefan;733233]His ardent supporters can now use the same excuse they used when he was here. The Raiders O/L may be sub-par to the one he just moved on from. There comes a time when excuses exhaust themselves.[/quote]

Where did you see me use an excuse? I mean I'm sure you can be a mediocre QB and play decently behind a good offensive line (see Mark Sanchez). I'm just saying, the guy is not a good QB and he's played for bad teams, not a good combination. I'm sure he can be a decent backup after this stint in Oakland.

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I heard that you pick the fastest horse in a race by looking at the size of it's ass. The horse with biggest ass is usually the winner.

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Isn't Sanchez an example of a bad QB who plays bad behind a good offensive line?

I mean, does anyone still think we'd be better off with Sanchez than Campbell then McNabb? Anyone? At all?

I've (rightfully) criticized the Redskins of the cost it took to acquire McNabb vs. the reward, but there's no doubt that going to get Sanchez would have costed more for less, and on top of that, Mike Shanahan might not have been willing to come here to work with Mark Sanchez.

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JC would destroy McNabb in a "Screw up the English language contest".

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[quote=Ruhskins;733237]Where did you see me use an excuse? I mean I'm sure you can be a mediocre QB and play decently behind a good offensive line (see Mark Sanchez). I'm just saying, the guy is not a good QB and he's played for bad teams, not a good combination. I'm sure he can be a decent backup after this stint in Oakland.[/quote]

What I said was not directed at you personally and I really didn't view it as you using an excuse.

My only point was in making a comparison, a comparison between two less than formidable O/L's. JC's supporters have always maintained the major reason for his lack of success as a QB here was due mainly to that fact. I was always one of his staunchest supporters when he was here, supported by the feeling his shortcomings were not all his fault.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733240]Isn't Sanchez an example of a bad QB who plays bad behind a good offensive line?

I mean, does anyone still think we'd be better off with Sanchez than Campbell then McNabb? Anyone? At all?

I've (rightfully) criticized the Redskins of the cost it took to acquire McNabb vs. the reward, but there's no doubt that going to get Sanchez would have costed more for less, and on top of that, Mike Shanahan might not have been willing to come here to work with Mark Sanchez.[/quote]


Barring a miracle Sanchez is on the road to Bust. He has a good line, good RB's (LT looks good so far when given a chance) and good/great receivers. I understand the Ravens defense is good but currently their secondary is banged up; the jet's poor offense was dude to one guy last night.

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[quote=Longtimefan;733250]What I said was not directed at you personally and I really didn't view it as you using an excuse.

My only point was in making a comparison, a comparison between two less than formidable O/L's. JC's supporters have always maintained the major reason for his lack of success as a QB here was due mainly to that fact. I was always one of his staunchest supporters when he was here, supported by the feeling his shortcomings were not all his fault.[/quote]

Gotcha. I always thought he wasn't a good QB, but I could never understand how some people had the attitude that he was the only problem. As I said, a bad QB can be somewhat successful with a good offensive line, and maybe I was advocating for that when he was here. While McNabb has been a HUGE upgrade at QB, he'd be sidelined with an injury right now if we had last year's line.

I almost dare to say that some fans blame (or bash) Campbell more than our o-line and maybe even Vinny Cerrato for our terrible team.

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[quote=mredskins;733253][B]Barring a miracle Sanchez is on the road to Bust.[/B] He has a good line, good RB's (LT looks good so far when given a chance) and good/great receivers. I understand the Ravens defense is good but currently their secondary is banged up; the jet's poor offense was dude to one guy last night.[/quote]

I wouldn't call him a bust quite yet. It's just too early to say that. He had a bad game against a good defense. It's one game and it's a long season. But I do think we'll see Brunell in there at some point.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733240]Isn't Sanchez an example of a bad QB who plays bad behind a good offensive line?

I mean, does anyone still think we'd be better off with Sanchez than Campbell then McNabb? Anyone? At all?

I've (rightfully) criticized the Redskins of the cost it took to acquire McNabb vs. the reward, but there's no doubt that going to get Sanchez would have costed more for less, and on top of that, Mike Shanahan might not have been willing to come here to work with Mark Sanchez.[/quote]

Mark Sanchez is a typical example of why so many people choose to take the "wait and see" approach when it comes to collegiate QB's with impressive resumes.

It's my belief we've embarked on a course that includes a win now philosophy. I agree Shanahan may not have been willing, or had the patience to work with a young QB if indeed it's his ambition to win now. I don't think he's totally opposed to working with young QB's [he did draft Cutler] it's just that the situation here is different than the one in Denver, he obviously felt a veteran presence here was imperative, thus the price we paid for McNabb.

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[quote=Longtimefan;733233]His ardent supporters can now use the same excuse they used when he was here. The Raiders O/L may be sub-par to the one he just moved on from. There comes a time when excuses exhaust themselves.[/quote]

Your above statement is not logical.
If something is true it remains true regardless of how many times it repeated.
OL play will always effect QB play.
Its not an excuse it simple football 101.

E.g. Imagine your sprinting 100 meters with a parachute on your back against people that don't; in your 4th race does having a parachute on your back become an excuse?

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[quote=Ruhskins;733227]Or that is a bad idea to be a mediocre/below average QB playing behind terrible offensive lines.[/quote]

At least you can admit that he's mediocre.

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[quote=30gut;733270]Your above statement is not logical.
If something is true it remains true regardless of how many times it repeated.
OL play will always effect QB play.
Its not an excuse it simple football 101.

E.g. Imagine your sprinting 100 meters with a parachute on your back against people that don't; in your 4th race does having a parachute on your back become an excuse?[/quote]

Football 101 should also say that you shouldn't pump fake an open guy only to check down a player that is covered.

Ex. It's 2nd and 10 and you're in a shotgun formation. Your offesnsive line gives you good protection and you pump fake a receiver that is open only to check down to your running back in the flat. Would you balme the GM, or the owner, or the O-Line for that ?

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When we conquer Iran can we change its name to Iroll?

That way we can Iraq and Iroll right next to each other.

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[quote=Angry;733282]When we conquer Iran can we change its name to Iroll?

That way we can Iraq and Iroll right next to each other.[/quote]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!! Dude at first I was like what the hell is he talking about. Then I thought about it and laughed pretty damn hard.

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Campbell has awful pocket presence. Doug Farrar said so, and I listened to him.

Campbell also isn't as intelligent as Jay Cutler.

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Well he may no tbe smarter than Jay Cutler but he's gotta be smarter than these folks

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbalOV5v1zQ]YouTube - Stupid Idiots doing stupid things[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;733290]Campbell has awful pocket presence. Doug Farrar said so, and I listened to him.

Campbell also isn't as intelligent as Jay Cutler.[/quote]

Cutler is no rocket scientist either as far as decision making goes.