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Bottom line folks....

When you can't stop the run and when you can't run the football, you won't win many games in this league.

Dallas will win the east at 10-6
Philly 8-8
Skins 6-10
Giants 5-11

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[quote=Skins fan 44;739760]Have faith. I am not going to give up this easy. A win or two the next 3 weeks and we are back in this thing. It is too early to give up. Come guys we will get em next week. [B]Whenever we are 2 and 6 then we can think about giving up.[/B] HTTR!!!!![/quote]

By my calculations that would be when we miraculously beat Detroit, after a 5-game losing streak.

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[quote=Ruhskins;739745]Well we've given away picks for McNabb, Jammal Brown, and I think Carriker. To me it seems that MS had a "win-now" attitude instead of rebuilding. I don't mind a "win-now" attitude, but I don't understand how you are going to win when you switch to a new defensive scheme that doesn't fit our personnel.[/quote]

it just doesn't make sense, i have been saying the same thing for weeks, you can't claim this team is re-tooling and going with a win now attitude, when you change the enitre defesive scheme. our d has been in the top ten for years and our offense has lost us games. now we have an offense that appears at first clance to be at a minimum effective, and a defense that can't stop a rookie qb without his pro bowl rb

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[quote=Ruhskins;739764]By my calculations that would be when we miraculously beat Detroit, after a 5-game losing streak.[/quote]

lolololololol:food-smil

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[quote=JWsleep;739737]We do not have the personnel for this D, that seems pretty clear. But the die has been cast: we are going this way, come hell or high water, so it seems. We're going to have to get used to being weak on D this year, and then we'll see what the draft and offseason bring. My guess is we'll get better as players get used to the system and coaches figure out the least bad group to get out there. But we're in transition and it ain't going to be pretty for a while.

Stick with the plan and build through the draft. And don't start firing people at week 3--that's been our problem (or at least thinking that way has been). We were 4-12 last year. You can't change that overnight.[/quote]

Amen brother!!!!!!! A kindred spirit!!!!!

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People may say I'm crazy and a traitor, but we should make a go for Wade Phillips when he gets ass kicked out of Dallas.

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Haslett is garbage, but we kind of have to stick it out because firing people at week 3 is just like we've done in the past, and it brings no good results.

We are heading for a nice draft pick, we are seriously seeing a team that may win only 3 or 4 games this year. We can hopefully continue to build through the draft and hope that next year things start out better...

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[quote=IrMitchell;739749]I think the biggest thing about Haslett has been that he's too easy to solve. This is the third week in a row now where we have been the better team heading into halftime and only to come out and get absolutely stomped on.

We have potential, but Haslett has to start adjusting his plays, rather than continue to blitz his linebackers because he feels like only he's able to do it.[/quote]

Can't keep blitzing like that in a 3-4. To me a 3-4 defense is more akin to a reading D, where you have the extra LB to cover an outside run or a short pass. Sure you can blitz, but you better have a monster D line, which we don't!!!!!

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[quote=saden1;739707]Your summary makes me sick. I need anti-depressants.[/quote]

The truth hurts.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;739775]Can't keep blitzing like that in a 3-4. To me a 3-4 defense is more akin to a reading D, where you have the extra LB to cover an outside run or a short pass. Sure you can bltiz, but you better have a moster D line, which we don't!!!!![/quote]

It's simpler than that. A 3-4 D has three statues up front to stuff the run and open up lanes for the LBs. I saw none of that.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739779]It's simpler than that. A 3-4 D has three statues up front to stuff the run and open up lanes for the LBs. I saw none of that.[/quote]

Plus having a whole bunch of former DEs as your LBs in the 3-4 is not the best of ideas.

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[quote=Skins fan 44;739760]Have faith. I am not going to give up this easy. A win or two the next 3 weeks and we are back in this thing. It is too early to give up. Come guys we will get em next week. Whenever we are 2 and 6 then we can think about giving up. HTTR!!!!![/quote]

That needed level of faith has a way of dissapearing when the going gets tough. I just know we don't have a bunch of fair-weather fans here do we?....sike

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739779]It's simpler than that. A 3-4 D has three statues up front to stuff the run and open up lanes for the LBs. I saw none of that.[/quote]


Yeah, but if you don't have a D line where are those gaps? Also all you have to do is have a bunch of quickie slants called to negate the rush, like the Rams did. It all boils down to the D line. If you don't have the D line to rush, play zone.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;739774]
We are heading for a nice draft pick, we are seriously seeing a team that may win only 3 or 4 games this year. We can hopefully continue to build through the draft and hope that next year things start out better...[/quote]

Mayhem that's the plan. Implement a 3-4 defense we'll suck at not having the personnel and bring McNabb in for a year to save face.

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We can't fire haslett now. That's just ****ing stupid, our players don't fit a 3-4 but that means we have to build into a 3-4.. Dallas and GB both struggled their first year in the scheme.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739773]People may say I'm crazy and a traitor, but we should make a go for Wade Phillips when he gets ass kicked out of Dallas.[/quote]

You are crazy and you are a not traitor but you are a nimrod.

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THe players can learn the 3-4 and adapt to it. THe question is do we have the talent to do it. I don't think it is fair to call for Haslett's head so soon. OVerall, our team is hurting badly with depth on both sides of the ball. Kyle has no depth at O line, no Wr corp to speak of other than Moss, and a beat up feature RB that is obviously on the downside of his career. Jim has no D line, especially no NT, no depth in the D backfield, and is a bit thin at LB to run a 3-4. I will go out on a limb as say we wouldn't be all that much better if we did run a 4-3, as we would still be woefully deficient in terms of depth.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;739789]You are crazy and you are a not traitor but your are a nimrod.[/quote]

What?
He's always suffocated the living shit out of our offense for last few 1000 years.

They had a goal line stand today. We let some backup scrub score a killer touchdown.

What he asks out of his NT would go much better in Albert Haynesworth's mind.

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We simply do not have the depth to contend at this time. I know it has been ages since we had a team that was really fun to watch( 1999 Skins were great), but like I have said, you can't build a solid foundation with changing HC, systems, and players all the time. Folks don't want to hear this, but it is true. We are probably going to have to suffer through 1 or 2 more subpar seasons of football before we see light at the end of the tunnel, unless Shanny and co get the axe and we start all over again.

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Feck Haynseworth, feck Dallas and feck Son of Bum.

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LOL, let me get this right.... the offense looks bad, has a hard time scoring TD's and it's "we just don't have all the right pieces to the puzzle and give it a year or two", but the defense has a hard time stopping the run, can't tackle, can't bat the ball away from the WR, looks bad, and it's lets fire Haslett.

Damn, now I have to go find my pitchfork........

Did anyone get the feeling like I did that the Refs were giving the game to the Rams? I could have counted holding all across the Rams OL and not one call made by the Refs. Then in the 4th quarter they call Rogers for interference but fail to call the Holding call on the Rams Center keeping us from getting a sack?

How about the Rams catch at the one yard line. It technically would not be a catch for me. It reminded me of the Lions game week one. Player caught the ball and when the ball hit the ground it moved, but no the Refs gave it to the Rams on the one yrd line.

Across the board though the Skins played horrid. Trying to force the run the whole while being 14 points down, bad play calls, not rolling McNabb out more often like they did with in the Dallas game, Heyer(nough said), Davis not being used enough, Galloway only being used on long balls, where was Armstrong?, the change up on the OL created this whole mess. Well not the whole mess but part of it.

So glad we don't need someone like VJackson on this team since our WR's are catching balls all over the field.... I mean Moss catching balls.

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Armstrong hurt his groin, so he couldn't play.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739773]People may say I'm crazy and a traitor, but we should make a go for Wade Phillips when he gets ass kicked out of Dallas.[/quote]


Haslett is fine. The switch to the 3-4 is going to take time and getting the right personnel, and add depth. What Haslett has to do to make things better is realize he can't blitiz all the time with the players he has and go back to playing zone.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;739801]Haslett is fine. The switch to the 3-4 is going to take time and getting the right personnel, and add depth. What Haslett has to do to make things better is realize he can't blitiz all the time with the players he has and go back to playing zone.[/quote]

The Phillips 3-4 has the NT penetrate the backfield. There is not bs hold your ground and sit pretty stuff going on there.

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^ I would think twice about the zone part also.... it seemed the Rams WR's found the open spot on the field all day beating our CB's for 1st downs.

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Talent wise, we don't stack up well on two fronts: overall or scheme wise. The redskins cut 10 "core" players this past offseason and barely any of them were picked up, which is one indication of our talent level. If we cut people who weren't good enough for this team and they were being picked up everywhere else, well I'd day we are in a good spot.

Then we have DE's playing OLB because that is all we have. The 3-4 can be a very aggressive defense that confuses QBs because there is so much going on. Unfortunately, we don't have the people upfront to make it work. Who would be a starter on other teams? Fletcher, Hall, Haynesworth, Orakpo and maybe Andre are the only ones. Think about that. Not only are we adjusting to a scheme, we really only have four solid starters.

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Yes the refs were garbage as usual, that wasn't a catch. They held us almost Evert damn play. But we get called forholding. Gimmie an effing break they handed them the game just as.much as we did. My sign has been that way for 2 yrs or more for a reason.

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The Haslett should be fired angle of this thread is pretty stupid. Shanahan came in here and forced a 3-4 down everyone's throat when a more aggressive 4-3 is all we needed. Not to mention the fact that he chose to focus on a pissing match with the most talented defensive player on the team.

If anyone should be fired, it should be Shanahan.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739802]The Phillips 3-4 has the NT penetrate the backfield. There is not bs hold your ground and sit pretty stuff going on there.[/quote]

I was against Haslett day one, but I have liked what I have seen up until this game. I know the stats are bad but the players look like they are actually having fun and making plays.

I don't get the NT just sitting either. I'd tell a 3 DL to rush the QB, throw in 2 LB's and let the other 2 sit back in zone and

Oh hell I don't know what the "F" I'm talking about but Baltimore and the Jets I think have the NT attacking not sitting waiting to clog a lane.

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[quote=Meks;739808]Yes the refs were garbage as usual, that wasn't a catch. They held us almost Evert damn play. But we get called forholding. Gimmie an effing break they handed them the game just as.much as we did. My sign has been that way for 2 yrs or more for a reason.[/quote]

You obviously don't partake in the NBA with the constant three steps do you?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;739809]The Haslett should be fired angle of this thread is pretty stupid. Shanahan came in here and forced a 3-4 down everyone's throat when a more aggressive 4-3 is all we needed. Not to mention the fact that he chose to focus on a pissing match with the most talented defensive player on the team.

If anyone should be fired, it should be Shanahan.[/quote]

Not quite, I think the Phillips 3-4 would have gone well with Albert as he would have been allowed to penetrate up the field and use his quickness.

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Yea I don't care for b.ball only March madness but I know the.NBA refs suck too

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739813]Not quite, I think the Phillips 3-4 would have gone well with Albert as he would have been allowed to penetrate up the field and use his quickness.[/quote]

We are a fail in anyone's 3-4. We just don't have the personnel.

This was a 4-3 team from top to bottom when Shanny arrived.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;739817]We are a fail in anyone's 3-4. We just don't have the personnel.

This was a 4-3 team from top to bottom when Shanny arrived.[/quote]

Even so, it would not be as bad a fail because the NT wouldn't be total miscast.

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I said it back when we picked up the coaching staff, call it rebuild and everyone would be sitting here with the mind set that the team is going to take 3-4 yrs to be great and make a run at the SB. I don't care that it was not the coaching staff's plan it would have left the fans not expecting much and if the team did well they would have been pleasently supprised.

Instead the team came out and said "Oh we are not going to rebuild .... thats a taboo word, we have talent on this team so we are going to make a run at the play offs/SB. and instead of lowered expectations the fans are already calling for coach's heads just after 3 games.

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probably been said on this thread...but Carlos Rogers sucks...period......he is a liability.....If I was the QB on the other team I would be focusing on him the whole game. He always seems to be giving too much cushion, can't tackle that well, and has hands like salad tongs......he has 1 interception a year for the past six years, on average. Gave up a penaltly today to get an interception and still dropped the ball.....pathetic............Hall had a terrible game also, but I have much more confidence with him, at least he can catch the ball.!........as long as Rogers is in the game....a 3rd and 5 is a gimme.......in most cases.....unless the QB has a bad pass......I hate him.....!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739802]The Phillips 3-4 has the NT penetrate the backfield. There is not bs hold your ground and sit pretty stuff going on there.[/quote]Agreed. I love the way Phillips utilizes Jay Ratliff's quickness at NT. Big Al might be more receptive to playing NT if given similar freedom to penetrate upfield.

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[quote=kjahorski;739835]probably been said on this thread...but Carlos Rogers sucks...period......he is a liability.....If I was the QB on the other team I would be focusing on him the whole game. He always seems to be giving too much cushion, can't tackle that well, and has hands like salad tongs......he has 1 interception a year for the past six years, on average. Gave up a penaltly today to get an interception and still dropped the ball.....pathetic............Hall had a terrible game also, but I have much more confidence with him, at least he can catch the ball.!........as long as Rogers is in the game....a 3rd and 5 is a gimme.......in most cases.....unless the QB has a bad pass......I hate him.....![/quote]

AMEN.. When I said 22 was bush league earlier during the game, people actually took his back.. The guy is a terrible Starting CB, he constantly gives up stupid plays and has his whole career.. It would be different if he made plays on the ball and actually got INT's, but he hardly ever does that. He talked shit on the organization last season and should have been cut then.

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[quote=kjahorski;739835]probably been said on this thread...but Carlos Rogers sucks...period......he is a liability.....If I was the QB on the other team I would be focusing on him the whole game. He always seems to be giving too much cushion, can't tackle that well, and has hands like salad tongs......he has 1 interception a year for the past six years, on average. Gave up a penaltly today to get an interception and still dropped the ball.....pathetic............Hall had a terrible game also, but I have much more confidence with him, at least he can catch the ball.!........as long as Rogers is in the game....a 3rd and 5 is a gimme.......in most cases.....unless the QB has a bad pass......I hate him.....![/quote]


I disagree but whether he is a bum or not he is the best corner on the team from a coverage standpoint. So we cannot get rid of him at this point.

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[quote=SouperMeister;739838]Agreed. I love the way Phillips utilizes Jay Ratliff's quickness at NT. Big Al might be more receptive to playing NT if given similar freedom to penetrate upfield.[/quote]

Even if we let Big Al do whatever he wants at NT we do not have the linebackers to play a 3-4. I said this as soon as it was announced as the direction that we were going.

The 3-4 is based on linebackers and we are at least an offseason or two away from getting the parts that we need to be effective.