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[quote=Mattyk;744868]If any team out there was willing to trade for him, we would have gotten something for him.

The fact that nobody would even give up a 7th rounder for him says 2 things: the rest of the league agrees with Shanahan, and/or they knew he was going to be cut so there's no use in trading for him.

Anything higher than a 7th rounder would have been a pipe dream anyway. The guy hasn't done squat.[/quote]


Yeah, the guy was on the block for awhile and no takers. It just goes to show you how pathetic our overall roster is.

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

I thought he was somewhat unfairly put in the doghouse during OTAs for not being there all the time (and dropping passes didnt help I suppose) but he also came to the park before OTAs even started to get reps in and he was staying late each night. So maybe he just wasnt good enough

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I wonder who they'll replace him with. Howard Green?

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Not surprised nor am I that pissed at Vinny.

If you look at that 2008 second round--there are some real duds at WR; Jerome Simpson, Dexter Jackson, Limas Sweed, James Hardy. Only stud thus far is Desean Jackson. So it wasn't just the Skins that botched those WR evaluations. They just did it twice...

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[quote=NYCSkin;744882]Not surprised nor am I that pissed at Vinny.

If you look at that 2008 second round--there are some real duds at WR; Jerome Simpson, Dexter Jackson, Limas Sweed, James Hardy. Only stud thus far is Desean Jackson. So it wasn't just the Skins that botched those WR evaluations. They just did it twice...[/quote]

Eddie Royal was also a stud.

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Real Bad Move IMO (sarcasm)

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I'm wondering if Banks is going to take over at this spot too? I feel much more comfortable with him on KO rather than punts just because if he drops it (which I hope is behind him) he has time to pick it up and run without a huge disaster.

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;744838]Banks or Simpson.[/quote]

I don't care. I'm just glad it's not Thomas. He's provided nill on offense as a WR and on his KR's it seemed he bobbled every catch. I think in the last game he bobbled and dropped it in the end zone, picked it up, and only got to the 26 yrd line. You don't want your KR bobbling all the time.

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2008 - WORST draft in Redskins history. The pundits who rate drafts the day after should look back after 3 years to reevaluate. This would warrant an F-minus if that is possible. I'm just completely disgusted. Thanks Dan and Vinny. You set the franchise back at least another year since we will undoubtedly address WR via FA or another high draft choice after the season.

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[quote=SouperMeister;744890]2008 - WORST draft in Redskin history. The pundits who rate drafts the day after should look back after 3 years to reevaluate. This would warrant an F-minus if that is possible. I'm just completely disgusted. Thanks Dan and Vinny. You set the franchise back at least another year since we will undoubtedly address WR via FA or another high draft choice after the season.[/quote]

I wouldnt say it was the worst as that year we also got Fred Davis, Kareem Moore, and Chris Horton with the last 2 being 5th and 7th round picks. The team has done an average to great job drafting in the first round, 5th-7th round picks, and finding gems through UDFA the last few years but the 2nd thru 4th rounds seem to be a huge collection of wasted picks in that same time frame.

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I'm disappointed he got released but if the coaching staff thought he brought nothing to the table then that's what had to happen. If he finds success elsewhere, great, if not then w/e, just another bust from yesteryear. I can't believe out of the 3 second rounders from the '08 draft all we got is a backup tight end out of it.

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He should land a job in no time, don't worry about it.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;744891]I wouldnt say it was the worst as that year we also got Fred Davis, Kareem Moore, and Chris Horton with the last 2 being 5th and 7th round picks. The team has done an average to great job drafting in the first round, 5th-7th round picks, and finding gems through UDFA the last few years but the 2nd thru 4th rounds seem to be a huge collection of wasted picks in that same time frame.[/quote]Chris Horton is absolutely useless in coverage and Fred Davis was an unnecessary luxury with Cooley playing at a high level. Also consider that we selected Davis with DeSean Jackson still on the board!!! The only pick that I feel good about from that entire draft is Kareem Moore. Considering that Vinny drafted 10 players in 2008 and only has one starter to show for it, yes, I would call it our worst draft EVER!

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

I can see the colts picking Thomas up for a few reasons...
1..to pick his brain before we play in a week
2..they have injuries to Wayne,Colley and others all across the board.
3..I thought he did quite well on Kick returns

Somebody will pick him up...you can bet on that. just because nobody wanted to trade a 7th rounder for him,doesn't mean he won't get scooped up real quick

There's a bunch of teams that are getting dinged at the WR position and will take a flyer on his raw talent alone

Pats?
Panthers? (smith hurt)
Colts? (bunch of injuries)
Rams? (Mark Clayton is their #1 WR with their injuries)
Lots of teams...

VJ will be a Redskin in about a week:)

Remember what I said folks? 5th and a 3rd...lol:)

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;744891]I wouldnt say it was the worst as that year we also got Fred Davis, Kareem Moore, and Chris Horton with the last 2 being 5th and 7th round picks. The team has done an average to great job drafting in the first round, 5th-7th round picks, and finding gems through UDFA the last few years but the 2nd thru 4th rounds seem to be a huge collection of wasted picks in that same time frame.[/quote]

Not busting on you but in theory we should give away our top draft picks for a lot of lower draft picks and still pick up some UFA's? Especially since this team has done better in later rounds.

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The '08 draft is definitely in the discussion, but I still think we've seen worse.

2003 - only netted Dockery as a legit NFL starter.

2002 - only noteworthy player is Cartwright. Well, Robert Royal too I guess.

1996 - total swing and a miss on OL Andre Johnson. He didn't even make it out of training camp. Stephen Davis is the only player that came out of this one.

At least with 2008 we still have Moore, Horton, Kelly, and Davis. So I think there's still some time for this one to be salvaged.

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

[quote=NYCSkin;744882]Not surprised nor am I that pissed at Vinny.

If you look at that 2008 second round--there are some real duds at WR; Jerome Simpson, Dexter Jackson, Limas Sweed, James Hardy. Only stud thus far is Desean Jackson. So it wasn't just the Skins that botched those WR evaluations. They just did it twice...[/quote]

That doesn't make me feel any better. The reality is the two headed Snyderatto was a terrible Front Office. Period. To this day Cerratto still claims they (Kelly and Thomas) were a bargain, 1st round talent piked in the 2nd round.
[B][U]WHAT A ****ING JOKE! [/U][/B]
We are still paying the price for their poor leadership and inability to stock our team with quality players. It is not the Coaching.
Someone mentioned earlier about other teams picking up our thrown away gems. Which ones? Patrick Ramsey? HA! Ladell Betts? Oh wait....Jason Campbell. You could build a all star team with that line up.

I am surprised by some of the shock and disbelief by some on this thread about Thomas getting cut. Where have you been?
Thomas and Kelley were reaches just because we thought our biggest need at the time was tall fast WR's. All the while our offensive line was really the biggest need.

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I just find it hard to believe. It would be complete disaster if another team discovers the guy can play. Maybe he just needs a change.

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[quote=JPPT1974;744895]He should land a job in no time, don't worry about it.[/quote]

Maybe, and I think that you are correct. However, I wonder if this wasn't a calculated risk by Shanallen:

option a) someone else does pick him up and Shanallen are unconcerned since they have lost patience with DT

or

option b) he doesn't get picked up right away and Shanallen, having used their nuclear weapon motivational tool, bring him back

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

Some players are just better fits in other systems. For whatever reason DT couldn't win over Shanahan. Doesn't mean he can't play, he just can't play here.

I had high hopes for Thomas but I'm just not sure he's ever going to be elite. His hands aren't anything special and I never got the vibe he was 110% into football. He seems more interested in everything that comes along with the fame and fortune of the game.

Maybe he can be a solid #2 or #3 somewhere, who knows.

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I think they are trying to scrub every remnant of VC's decision making from the organization

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[quote=JPPT1974;744895]He should land a job in no time, don't worry about it.[/quote]

He can be a male model.
Kidding.
Maybe this will be the just the thing that will humble him and make him work harder to get become a better route runner.
I hope so, I think he is a good kid.

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[quote=Mattyk;744903]The '08 draft is definitely in the discussion, but I still think we've seen worse.

2003 - only netted Dockery as a legit NFL starter.

2002 - only noteworthy player is Cartwright. Well, Robert Royal too I guess.

1996 - total swing and a miss on OL Andre Johnson. He didn't even make it out of training camp. Stephen Davis is the only player that came out of this one.

At least with 2008 we still have Moore, Horton, Kelly, and Davis. So I think there's still some time for this one to be salvaged.[/quote]We only had 3 picks in 2003, and Dockery was a pretty good find in the 3rd, although Taylor Jacobs was as big a bust as Thomas (especially with Anquan Boldin still on the board). Good point about 2002 - that was another 10 player draft that yielded very little long term (Rock and Betts). It's depressing looking back at so many botched drafts, but we can take comfort that the FO hit home runs with Orakpo and Trent Williams as our top picks the last two years. Both will be perenniel Pro Bowlers if they remain healthy. We need Allen to maintain that trend in future drafts.

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[quote=Defensewins;744904]That doesn't make me feel any better. The reality is the two headed Snyderatto was a terrible Front Office. Period. To this day Cerratto still claims they (Kelly and Thomas) were a bargain, 1st round talent piked in the 2nd round.
[U]WHAT A ****ING JOKE! [/U]
We are still paying the price for their poor leadership and inability to stock our team with quality players. It is not the Coaching.
Someone mentioned earlier about other teams picking up our thrown away gems. Which ones? Patrick Ramsey? HA! Ladell Betts? Oh wait....Jason Campbell. You could build a all star team with that line up.

I am surprised by some of the shock and disbelief by some on this thread about Thomas getting cut. Where have you been?
Thomas and Kelley were reaches just because we thought our biggest need at the time was tall fast WR's. [B]All the while our offensive line was really the biggest need[/B].[/quote]I've been preaching this for years on this board - build a team from the inside out if you want long term success. Great line play leads to winning football, even with average talent on the perimeter. Lousy line play leads to losing football, even with elite talent elsewhere.

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[quote=SouperMeister;744914]I've been preaching this for years on this board - build a team from the inside out if you want long term success. Great line play leads to winning football, even with average talent on the perimeter. Lousy line play leads to losing football, even with elite talent elsewhere.[/quote]

Amen Brother!
There are a whole lot less good athletic 6' 5" to 6' 6" and 300+ pound people in the world than 5' 9" to 6' 4" athletic people. Statistically they are harder to find. Draft big athletic people over small unless it is someone incredibly special.
Thomas and Kelly did not qualify in that 'someone incredibly' special in college.

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[quote=Mattyk;744908]Some players are just better fits in other systems. For whatever reason DT couldn't win over Shanahan. Doesn't mean he can't play, he just can't play here.

I had high hopes for Thomas but I'm just not sure he's ever going to be elite. His hands aren't anything special and I never got the vibe he was 110% into football. He seems more interested in everything that comes along with the fame and fortune of the game.

Maybe he can be a solid #2 or #3 somewhere, who knows.[/quote]

I was about to say that. His being released could serve as motivation for him if it is his ambition to become a better football player. While he was unable to find his nitche here, that dosen't necessarily preclude him from becoming a better performer somewhere else. His future in the NFL [should he have one] wil be interesting to keep an eye on.

Thomas never impressed me as being a guy real serious about the game. There always seemed to be other things that were more important to him.

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

I know AJ Green looks great in college but let's be honest, WRs are very shaky when it's comes to the draft. There have been so many Bust in the first round at WR..

Green could be the next Randy Moss or the next Malcolm Kelly..

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

Ok, here's my crackpipe theory:

This is a gamble by Allen to see if NE picks up Thomas, he becomes an all star with Brady. NE doesn't trade for VJ, who the skins then go after, he joins the team in a week, like ACE said.

Back to reality!!

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

WTF???? I can't believe that Roydell Williams and Galloway are better than Thomas. I simply can not believe that in a million years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;744918]I know AJ Green looks great in college but let's be honest, [B]WRs are very shaky when it's comes to the draft[/B]. There have been so many Bust in the first round at WR..

Green could be the next Randy Moss or the next Malcolm Kelly..[/quote]Only QBs are tougher to predict success at the top of the draft. For that reason, I hope that we use BOTH of our top picks to select linemen, and bolster our WR situation through a trade or free agency for a proven commodity.

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[quote=SouperMeister;744929]Only QBs are tougher to predict success at the top of the draft. For that reason, I hope that we use BOTH of our top picks to select linemen, and bolster our WR situation through a trade or free agency for a proven commodity.[/quote]

Brandon Marshall(4th round)
Eddie Royal(2nd round)
Hell, even Ashley Lelie had a few productive years.

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

Can't believe we did this when I first read it, but hell, what did he do this year for us that others can't do? Exactly! Nothing! Banks will do just fine on Kick Returns.

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Davis is the only stud of the '08 class. Horton and Moore are decent, but that isn't saying much given what the team has accomplished in the past couple years.

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What we really need to do is reshuffle or totally gut our scouting team. These guys have been epic failures.

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Miles Austin is a top 5 WR and If I'm not mistaken he wasn't drafted, or if he was it was really late.. T.O was late round, Hines ward Etc.

I would like AJ Green or Juilo Jones but it's not happening unless we finish 5-11

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[quote=skinsfaninok;744937]Miles Austin is a top 5 WR and If I'm not mistaken he wasn't drafted, or if he was it was really late.. T.O was late round, Hines ward Etc.

I would like AJ Green or Juilo Jones but it's not happening unless we finish 5-11[/quote]
T.O was a third-rounder. Not exactly late.

Re: Redskins release Devin Thomas
 

this makes no sense. At least keep him in as a productive kick returner until he matures. What exactly do the skins gain by releasing him? A roster spot for a scrub running back?

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[quote=Stacks42;744943]this makes no sense. At least keep him in as a productive kick returner until he matures. What exactly do the skins gain by releasing him? A roster spot for a scrub running back?[/quote]

Sadly yes...it's going to be a tough decision with CP hurt and whether or not they keep him in the roster or IR him.

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Sigh, I've been saying this since day one. There's no way Shannahan would retain him on the roster.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;744937]Miles Austin is a top 5 WR and If I'm not mistaken he wasn't drafted, or if he was it was really late.. [B]T.O was late round, Hines ward Etc. [/B]

I would like AJ Green or Juilo Jones but it's not happening unless we finish 5-11[/quote]
Wes Welker UNDRAFTED
T.O. was a 3rd round pick
Chris Carter was a 4th round pick
Gary Clark Supplemental draft
Steve Largent 4th round
and the list goes on and on.....