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[quote=redsk1;752200]I think it's fair for one to be a little worried about McNabb not having a contract. The fact is we traded 2 fairly high draft picks for a 1 year rental. McNabb probably should have agreed to a contract before we spent 2 draft picks for a potential one year player.

I've heard MS wants to "try him out" after 8 games or so. I don't think it's wise nor was it the intention to send 2 draft picks to Phili, for a coach to try him out or see how he performs. That's a big gamble. A trade like this to means that both sides have to be committed long term at the time of the trade for it to be made initially. That's the issue i have. If he or we decide to walk, this was a huge front office blunder.

I do think, though, that it will get done. I'm sure there are things we don't know. It is cause for concern.[/quote]

The Skins have given away 2 draft picks for a lot less return than DM has already given. I have heard he's interested in going to Minn to get back with his old coach, if that happens best wishes to him, Shanny will find another solution.

What I'd really like to see is for the Skins to make a serious running at trying to snatch Manning away from Indy.

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If the Skins were to sign McNabb to a new contract this afternoon, they would owe him a tidy sum as a signing bonus. Just for fun, let's say it's $10M because that is a round number.


There is a possibility that there will not be a season next year - - or if there is one it might be an "abbreviated season" that begins in mid to late October. Just for fun, let's say the season starts in mid-October.


When the next season starts, there will be at least some new wrinkles in the salary cap rules because there will be a new CBA. Just for fun, let's say one of the changes is that teams can still pro-rate signing bonuses over the life of the contract BUT there is also a limitation on the total amount of signing bonus money and roster bonus money that can be spent in any single football year- - and that amount is $40M. [That kind of limitation is one of the proposals on the table at the moment. I don't think it will make it into the final agreement but you never know...]


Now, with that kind of uncertainty why would the Skins want to hand McNabb a contract today instead of waiting to see which way the wind is blowing in the contract talks that will start for real in Feb 2011.? Why would Danny Boy want that putative $10M in McNabb's "bank account" instead of his for the next few months?


If the Skins sign McNabb to a new deal this season, you can be certain that Mike Shanahan is 200% sure that Donovan McNabb is the answer as the Skins' QB for at least the next 3 seasons - - because it will take 3 seasons to amortize enough of the signing bonus it will actually take to get a deal with McNabb in order to avoid a "cap collapse" down the road.

And Mike Shanahan is not going to deal with any "cap collapses"...

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;752220]If the Skins were to sign McNabb to a new contract this afternoon, they would owe him a tidy sum as a signing bonus. Just for fun, let's say it's $10M because that is a round number.


There is a possibility that there will not be a season next year - - or if there is one it might be an "abbreviated season" that begins in mid to late October. Just for fun, let's say the season starts in mid-October.


When the next season starts, there will be at least some new wrinkles in the salary cap rules because there will be a new CBA. Just for fun, let's say one of the changes is that teams can still pro-rate signing bonuses over the life of the contract BUT there is also a limitation on the total amount of signing bonus money and roster bonus money that can be spent in any single football year- - and that amount is $40M. [That kind of limitation is one of the proposals on the table at the moment. I don't think it will make it into the final agreement but you never know...]


Now, with that kind of uncertainty why would the Skins want to hand McNabb a contract today instead of waiting to see which way the wind is blowing in the contract talks that will start for real in Feb 2011.? Why would Danny Boy want that putative $10M in McNabb's "bank account" instead of his for the next few months?


If the Skins sign McNabb to a new deal this season, you can be certain that Mike Shanahan is 200% sure that Donovan McNabb is the answer as the Skins' QB for at least the next 3 seasons - - because it will take 3 seasons to amortize enough of the signing bonus it will actually take to get a deal with McNabb in order to avoid a "cap collapse" down the road.

And Mike Shanahan is not going to deal with any "cap collapses"...[/quote]

Interesting post.

It pretty much comes down to the risk of

1) What kind of play can we expect from Donovan McNabb over the next 3 years

2) Is there a viable substitute

We've got such a bad history of QB's here... it makes you want to lock up McNabb while we can.

Brings forth the other question. Is it too soon to start grooming the QB of the future next season?

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

I really want McNabb to work out, but he is looking like JC out there.

If it were not for our D, this is an 0-7 or 1-6 team at best.

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[quote=irish;752217]The Skins have given away 2 draft picks for a lot less return than DM has already given. I have heard he's interested in going to Minn to get back with his old coach, if that happens best wishes to him, Shanny will find another solution.

What I'd really like to see is for the Skins to make a serious running at trying to snatch Manning away from Indy.[/quote]


Yes, but you can't argue it was a wise move to give away 2 draft picks for a 1 year guy. True, they've done worse, but we should be a better run organization now.

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After the houston game I was like Wow,this is what its like to have a great qb.But he's been downhill since.Then when they showed that stat last week how his qb rating drops dramatically in the 2nd half,I was like damn,thats bad news.But then he had a pretty good 2nd half against the colts.
Right now Mcnabb is not near as good as I thought he was going to be,were winning games in spite of him instead of because of him.
But having said that,I would still want him back without overpaying him,but i dont see that happening.I think its going to go down to us either waiting to long to do something and pissing him offto where he wont want to sign,or we overpay to keep him.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=irish;752217]The Skins have given away 2 draft picks for a lot less return than DM has already given. I have heard he's interested in going to Minn to get back with his old coach, if that happens best wishes to him, Shanny will find another solution.

What I'd really like to see is for the Skins to make a serious running at trying to snatch Manning away from Indy.[/quote]

Wishful thinking, but no way Indy lets him sniff the open market.

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Nope

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[quote=14WOODS;752227]I really want McNabb to work out, [B]but he is looking like JC out there.[/B]

If it were not for our D, this is an 0-7 or 1-6 team at best.[/quote]

Don't you curse The McNabb like that !

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=htownskinfan;752234]After the houston game I was like Wow,this is what its like to have a great qb.But he's been downhill since.Then when they showed that stat last week how his qb rating drops dramatically in the 2nd half,I was like damn,thats bad news.But then he had a pretty good 2nd half against the colts.
Right now Mcnabb is not near as good as I thought he was going to be,were winning games in spite of him instead of because of him.
But having said that,I would still want him back without overpaying him,but i dont see that happening.I think its going to go down to us either waiting to long to do something and pissing him offto where he wont want to sign,or we overpay to keep him.[/quote]

We have won games because McNabb has made some big plays for us but you cannot survive winning of a few big plays week after week. In Phil he had some bad games but would turn around and have great games. So far here its one great game and the rest not so great except for some bog plays.

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[quote=Mattyk;752237]Wishful thinking, but no way Indy lets him sniff the open market.[/quote]

Seriously wishful thinking. That fan base would get out the torches and pitchforks if Polian let Manning escape.

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[quote=Mattyk;752237]Wishful thinking, but no way Indy lets him sniff the open market.[/quote]

It is wishful thinking but anything can happen if the timing and offer is right. I dont think anyone ever thought Joe Montana would leave SF, Joe Namath leave the Jets, Johnny U leave the Colts, or Favre not be a Packer. It unlikely but the Skins have $ and an owner that isnt afraid to spend it.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=irish;752269]It is wishful thinking but anything can happen if the timing and offer is right. I dont think anyone ever thought Joe Montana would leave SF, Joe Namath leave the Jets, Johnny U leave the Colts, or Favre not be a Packer. It unlikely but the Skins have $ and an owner that isnt afraid to spend it.[/quote]

True, but Manning is neither a shell of his former self nor do the Colts have an obvious heir apparent sitting on their bench as was the case the players and teams you mentioned

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I want us to groom or pick up a QB with some promise. Let McNabb go at the end of the year. We can win without him, because of our developing running game. If we keep him, he's gonna choke in the bigger games the next 2 or 3 years like he did the end of last year in those back to back games against Dallas. I just don't have the faith in him to win playoff games at this point. I know what he did in the past, but that was the past.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=SmootSmack;752274]True, but Manning is neither a shell of his former self nor do the Colts have an obvious heir apparent sitting on their bench as was the case the players and teams you mentioned[/quote]

True but like I said if the timing and offer are right Manning wont care what QB the Colts have waiting in the wings. Who would have imagined the Eagles would have traded McNabb to a division rival. When it comes to sports I never say never.

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[quote=firstdown;752205]The only reason we did not loose the game yesterday is because Hall had 4 ints. Cannot count on him to make 4 ints. every game. McNabb gave them 7 right away. We did not forget last year but a change in QB was not our only move and we do have new coaches. My problem with McNabb is the easy stuff he keeps throwing into the ground.[/quote]

McNabb and Cutelr were not the only good Qb's to have a bad game last Sunday. A certain Superbowl MVP Drew Brees threw FOUR interceptions against CLEVELAND! HA! F-ing Cleveland.
Should New Orleans look to dump Mr. Brees? No.
It is tough to be good every week in the NFL. That all I was trying to say.
McNabb is a solid NFL QB. Not the best, but certainly not the worst. I am fine with him. I like his leadership and ability to bring the players together. His teammates respect him. I think you Fantasy football types want us to throw the ball every down are not happy. Just win baby!

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

I would like to keep him one year and have his replacement be drafted and have a year to learn. This coming year's quarterback class is pretty deep and there's no reason we can't get a decent QB.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=BleedBurgundy;752206]I think he came pretty close to losing that game for us on Sunday. He was out 'tarded by Cutler, but except for the most exquisitely timed delay of game, he almost mind ****ed us into a pick six.[/quote]

Nobody is perfect. Mcnabb will have an occasional bad game or two or three until all the pieces come together for the Redskins offense and coaching staff. Same with our defense. Our coaches are just now stariting to let AH play. Wow,what a revelation on their part.

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Why stop at Peyton Manning. We should make a run at Adrian Peterson, DeMarcus Ware, and Andre Johnson too.

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[quote=Defensewins;752282]McNabb and Cutelr were not the only good Qb's to have a bad game last Sunday. A certain Superbowl MVP Drew Brees threw FOUR interceptions against CLEVELAND! HA! F-ing Cleveland.
Should New Orleans look to dump Mr. Brees? No.
It is tough to be good every week in the NFL. That all I was trying to say.
McNabb is a solid NFL QB. Not the best, but certainly not the worst. I am fine with him. I like his leadership and ability to bring the players together. His teammates respect him. I think you Fantasy football types want us to throw the ball every down are not happy. Just win baby![/quote]

Brees has won a SB, Mc5 hasn't. Not a good comparison.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=irish;752281]True but like I said if the timing and offer are right Manning wont care what QB the Colts have waiting in the wings. Who would have imagined the Eagles would have traded McNabb to a division rival. When it comes to sports I never say never.[/quote]

Well we beat the Eagle's but other then that its not like McNabb is lighting it up. Maybe they knew what they where doing. We play that Eagles game 10 times I think they win it 8 of 10. Not saying we cannot beat the Eagles I'm talking that game.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;752287]Brees has won a SB, Mc5 hasn't. Not a good comparison.[/quote]

That's a weak response. Just because Brees has a SB ring and McNabb doesn't doesn't mean that you can't compare the performances of both yesterday.

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Didn't Manning have a 6 pick game once? Just sayin'. Even the greats have bad games.

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[quote=Mattyk;752298]Didn't Manning have a 6 pick game once? Just sayin'. Even the greats have bad games.[/quote]

Last Superbowl...didn't he play like shit and threw a few key interceptions that cost them the game?

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Partially new to this forum

Does anyone feel like they're in Philly?? Seriously, 7 games and McNabb doesnt deserve to be a Skin? Just let him go after the season? It's the FIRST year under a totally NEW regime for the Skins on top of McNabb's first year on the team! I actually have confidence in our offense right now when on the field. Sure he hasn't been awesome but I don't believe he's lost any games for us. We still have tons of work to do to get this team to where Shanny wants it, tons. We're 4-3, you couldnt ask for anything more right now. We've also been in every game. I'm sure both sides are just fine in terms of a contract. Let's just take it a week at a time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;752294]That's a weak response. Just because Brees has a SB ring and McNabb doesn't doesn't mean that you can't compare the performances of both yesterday.[/quote]

Ok. Do you think Brees will have a few more games like yesterday? Hell no! Do you think Mc5 will? You can almost bet on it. And that is not a weak response right there...

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[quote=LavaRnChad;752307]Ok. Do you think Brees will have a few more games like yesterday? Hell no! Do you think Mc5 will? You can almost bet on it. And that is not a weak response right there...[/quote]

Uh...yeah, much stronger response right there. Shut me up, that's for sure

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Brees actually had a very similar game against Arizona so that theory can go out the window...

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[quote=Mattyk;752298]Didn't Manning have a 6 pick game once? Just sayin'. Even the greats have bad games.[/quote]

Not Rich Bartel. He's never had an NFL multi-pick game which counted. And he is certainly one of the greats.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;752280]I want us to groom or pick up a QB with some promise. Let McNabb go at the end of the year. We can win without him, because of our developing running game. If we keep him, he's gonna choke in the bigger games the next 2 or 3 years like he did the end of last year in those back to back games against Dallas. I just don't have the faith in him to win playoff games at this point. I know what he did in the past, but that was the past.[/quote]

What? We can properly groom a quarterback now and still win with McNabb. I mean jesus, what other options we got? Its like franchise QB hit the market every offseason...We have a playoff experienced, leader in the locker room, competent quarterback who has already won us games this season, Im lost?...You want us to sit through another possible bust on the field like with just got through with for 3 or 4 years like effing JC? Im tired of watching that bullsh*t, McNabb is a great option for us now. We can draft a QB and let him ride the bench and learn under a real QB...Let McNabb go after one season is an epic fail

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I like Donovan and the move we made to get him was excellent, but he isn't the superstar we had hoped him to be, and I am not so sure our FO expected him to be one. THe best way I think we can explain it is that Shanny and Allen knew JC was a wash and had to bring in a vet to keep the ship afloat and competitve while they rebuild the team. In short, Donovan is a stop gap measure til they build the team and try their hand at drafting a QB in the next two years. That is why you will probably not see a contract extension at all. Right now we are totally relying on defense to win games and have the same red zone blues as we did under Zorn.

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[quote=Deisel;752305]Partially new to this forum

Does anyone feel like they're in Philly?? Seriously, 7 games and McNabb doesnt deserve to be a Skin? Just let him go after the season? It's the FIRST year under a totally NEW regime for the Skins on top of McNabb's first year on the team! I actually have confidence in our offense right now when on the field. Sure he hasn't been awesome but I don't believe he's lost any games for us. We still have tons of work to do to get this team to where Shanny wants it, tons. We're 4-3, you couldnt ask for anything more right now. We've also been in every game. I'm sure both sides are just fine in terms of a contract. Let's just take it a week at a time.[/quote]

d-i-e-s-e-l. Are you related to firstdown by chance?

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I'm kind of medium on Donovan McNabb -- he hasn't played that well, let's be honest. But the receivers have dropped big passes on him, it's a new offense, new line, new/bad receivers etc. so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

I say we keep him 1-2 more years but look to drafting a QB to take over.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;752840]d-i-e-s-e-l. Are you related to firstdown by chance?[/quote]

Now come on. He's got about 10,000 more spelling mistakes to make before we start asking if he's related to firstdown. I actually liked his post, he makes great points. About the only thing that could've topped it off is if he seperated that into a couple paragraphs. But that's definitely not fd-level literacy, even if he did spell his name wrong.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;752852]I'm kind of medium on Donovan McNabb -- he hasn't played that well, let's be honest. But the receivers have dropped big passes on him, it's a new offense, new line, new/bad receivers etc. so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

I say we keep him 1-2 more years but look to drafting a QB to take over.[/quote]


That is what I think. WE are going to keep him through his entire contract for sure, but don't expect a contract extension. He is here to get the team on a competitive level so they have something positive to build on from the get go, but Donovan isn't going to be the QB to get us to the SB. We need at least two more FA periods and drafts to get the right personnel.

Re: Anyone bothered that McNabb STILL has no new contract??
 

[quote=Deisel;752305]Does anyone feel like they're in Philly?? Seriously, 7 games and McNabb doesnt deserve to be a Skin? Just let him go after the season? It's the FIRST year under a totally NEW regime for the Skins on top of McNabb's first year on the team! I actually have confidence in our offense right now when on the field. Sure he hasn't been awesome but I don't believe he's lost any games for us. We still have tons of work to do to get this team to where Shanny wants it, tons. We're 4-3, you couldnt ask for anything more right now. We've also been in every game. I'm sure both sides are just fine in terms of a contract. Let's just take it a week at a time.[/quote]

[quote=Chico23231;752354]What? We can properly groom a quarterback now and still win with McNabb. I mean jesus, what other options we got? Its like franchise QB hit the market every offseason...We have a playoff experienced, leader in the locker room, competent quarterback who has already won us games this season, Im lost?...You want us to sit through another possible bust on the field like with just got through with for 3 or 4 years like effing JC? Im tired of watching that bullsh*t, McNabb is a great option for us now. We can draft a QB and let him ride the bench and learn under a real QB...Let McNabb go after one season is an epic fail[/quote]

Agreed x 2

I'm surprised to see the McNabb bashing too. Not sure what team some of you guys have been watching the last few years. It reminds me of year one of Gibbs II. Guys are bashing cuz we go 6-10 but never consider the alternatives. Like they long for the 7 years of mediocrity and one playoff appearance that we got under Norv.

We are not 4-3 despite McNabb, we are 4-3 because of McNabb. Hate to pile on the JC bandwagon but [B]if JC was our QB this year we'd be 1-6[/B]. The only game we maybe win is the Philly game. As bad as McNabb was against the Bears we still lose that game with JC trust me. Philly let McNabb go cuz they have 2 viable QB options on their bench. We have zero. I agree we need to develop a young QB for 2-3 years down the road, but McNabb is perfect for us right now IMO.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;752858]Agreed x 2

I'm surprised to see the McNabb bashing too. Not sure what team some of you guys have been watching the last few years. It reminds me of year one of Gibbs II. Guys are bashing cuz we go 6-10 but never consider the alternatives. Like they long for the 7 years of mediocrity and one playoff appearance that we got under Norv.

We are not 4-3 despite McNabb, we are 4-3 because of McNabb. Hate to pile on the JC bandwagon but [B]if JC was our QB this year we'd be 1-6[/B]. The only game we maybe win is the Philly game. As bad as McNabb was against the Bears we still lose that game with JC trust me. Philly let McNabb go cuz they have 2 viable QB options on their bench. We have zero. I agree we need to develop a young QB for 2-3 years down the road, but McNabb is perfect for us right now IMO.[/quote]


Couldnt agree more, this team is winning because of DM. That's what I was always trying to point out about JC and how his stats were misleading. He looked decent on paper but didnt win games. DM's stats are also misleading, he doesnt look as good as we think he should be on paper but the team is winning games with him and winning is all that matters.

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And then there's this:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/grossman-over-mcnabb-heres-the.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Grossman over McNabb? Here's the argument against.[/url]

Some fans really want Rex?? Thankfully we haven't seen anyone suggest that here.

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[quote=Mattyk;752887]And then there's this:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/grossman-over-mcnabb-heres-the.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Grossman over McNabb? Here's the argument against.[/url]

Some fans really want Rex?? Thankfully we haven't seen anyone suggest that here.[/quote]

Thats simply retarded and a step back. Rex is a good back up and his role should remain as that.

The value with McNabb in this offense is that he can still elude, is tough to take down and still can make plays with his feet. This is pivotal right now. Our O-Line is still a considerable weakness with protection and we need to continue to build a better line. Trent is a good first step, but we need help with the interior and a healthy right tackle. A stand up pocket passer such as Rex is absolutely not the right fit at this time.

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[quote=Mattyk;752887]And then there's this:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/grossman-over-mcnabb-heres-the.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Grossman over McNabb? Here's the argument against.[/url]

Some fans really want Rex?? Thankfully we haven't seen anyone suggest that here.[/quote]

I dont support it yet, as the team is still winning, but i have wondered if Rex coming in (due to whatever reason), would mirror the effect that Collins had in 2007, as both quarterbacks were experienced with their respective offenses.

I'm not suggesting it, but what do you think? Grossman probably really does know the offense better than McNabb, and has a big arm as well. If the redskins get mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, do we start Grossman just to see??