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Alvin Walton 10-19-2010 11:57 AM

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Yea, now its my Aunt Martha's NFL.

aceinthehouse 10-19-2010 03:26 PM

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BTW..The NFL is full of crap...

[B]Saying there doing it for the Safety of the Players[/B]....
If this were true,then they would draw back their push for an 18 game schedule...

With all the injuries we are having,the last thing they need to be doing is adding 2 more games during the season.

Why don't they crack down on players wearing the required uniform?
You wouldn't believe how many players don't wear Knee pads like RB's and WR's because it slows them down?

I was taught and required as a young player to always wear those things,as much as I hated them...But they do protect the knees..

These players can marrch on to te field without them and nothing is said..
Why don't they crack down on that,instead of what color your socks are?
Or the players wearing diamond stud necklaces during games that don't belong?

The NFL doesn't care about anything, but there image..(see big ben and favre)
And money!

It's that simple..

CRedskinsRule 10-19-2010 03:32 PM

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Well, you could argue the crackdown on dangerous hits is specifically because they know the 18 game schedule is coming, and so they need to make sure their best players aren't getting season ending injuries.

Don't know that that is their rationale, but it makes sense to me.

aceinthehouse 10-19-2010 06:18 PM

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BTW...
Merriweather who had the head-to-head hit on heap where he actually was trying to hurt him and was flagged for it and knocked heap out of the game was fined $50,000.

Harrison who knocked out Cribbs in a legal and non-flagged devastating hit was fined $75,000
Nobody has been suspended at the moment.

You guys still love their interpretation now?
Told ya..

Defensewins 10-19-2010 08:04 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;750050]Well, you could argue the crackdown on dangerous hits is specifically because they know the 18 game schedule is coming, and [B]so they need to make sure their best players aren't getting season ending injuries.
[/B]
Don't know that that is their rationale, but it makes sense to me.[/quote]

Thy really only make a stink about it when offensive skill position players get hurt.

I saw an interesting piece on this situation, I think it was before the Monday Night game and they made some interesting observations.
Steve Young said that some of the rule changes to encourage more offense and in turn more passing is partially to blame for this situation. Before the rule changes most Qb's went back to pass on average of 20 to 30 times. Now it is not unusual for them to throw it 30 to 40 times. This exposes QB's and receivers to more opportunities to be put in a defenseless position. I agree with it. The NFL owners unknowingly helped create this problem.

Another point was there are now more teams since expansion and not enough quality QB's to go around. Inaccurate QB's that throw a high ball over the middle are exposing their receivers and are partly to blame as well. I agree with this point. If a QB is reckless with his ball placement to a reciever over the middle, especially when he throws it late, he is exposing the receiver.

Nobody but the greedy owners want to increase the schedule to 18 games, it is a really bad move. The owners, most of who have never played in the NFL or played organized football period are passing rules that they do not understand the full results or outcome of the rule changes. Players and coaches should be the only ones on the rules committee. Owners should not because they have a financial bias that can not be denied.

#56fanatic 10-20-2010 08:10 AM

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This is such a fine line of Great hits and potentially life altering hits. From pee-wee through college you are tought to tackle a certain way. When you have these guys coming full speed to hit someone and the person they are hitting lowers their head or squats down a little, it is an accidental helmet to helmet hit. The one with Harrison and Masaqua (SP) didn't look intentional, nor did the DeShean Jacksons hit look intentional. They were both going full speed, Jackson was coming down after catching the ball and it looked like the DB was aming for his chest. I just feel this rule is going to do more harm to the game, than it is helping guys on the field.

mlmdub130 10-20-2010 08:55 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;749943]Who's "Soup"?

And, in my opinion, we got lucky on that Jarmon hit. It looked clearly like hlelmet to helmet to me. I think so long as you don't lead with your helmet you should be ok. [B][U]Wrapping up is the more fundamental way to do it, but really it's the knock out shots that cause the turnovers. I think more is being made of this right now than will actually come out of it[/U][/B].[/quote]

1, 2, and 3 right there.

1. if players actually tackle and wrap up this becomes way less of an issue

2. they have to reinforce when to go for the hit and when to wrap up

3. i'll take you back to post 18 [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/39293-nfl-might-suspend-players-violent-hits-2.html#post749798[/url] where i think you nailed it, i could see what happened in mlb with congress stepping in having an effect of the nfl's quick reaction to implement a rule

jdlea 10-20-2010 09:11 AM

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[quote=aceinthehouse;750095]BTW...
Merriweather who had the head-to-head hit on heap where he actually was trying to hurt him and was flagged for it and knocked heap out of the game was fined $50,000.[/quote]

That's not even correct.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb1CmHk9GK0&NR=1"]Meriweather hit on Heap[/ame]

If you watch that, Meriweather commits to that hit before Mayo hits Heap. Heap moves to Meriweather's left and his head comes down. That's the only reason that ends up being helmet to helmet. I think the intent on Meriweather's part was to put his shoulder/helmet somewhere around Heap's chest/ribs, but the hit from Mayo altered Heap and it ends up being helmet to helmet.

I, personally, don't like the rule because of hits like this. I think Meriweather was going to try to land a kill shot, but it ended up being infinitely worse than he intended because another player hit him a split-second earlier. That's not enough to adjust. Having the advantage of seeing things in super slow mo isn't anything these players can do. The game moves too fast for the NFL to suspend guys for hits like this.

I've honestly watched most of the big hits from this weekend (the 2 by Harrison, the Meriweather one, and the Robinson one) and I can make a case that they all could have been legal hits if not for split second events that made them look bad. Personally, I don't even believe the Robinson hit was at all dirty. His head ricochets into the helmet area of Jackson, but he initially buries it in his shoulder.

Monkeydad 10-20-2010 09:50 AM

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The Robinson hit on DeSean Jackson was clean...just a solid, hard hit that hurt an undersized guy.

I was watching the Pats/Ravens game when it happened on Heap...that was clearly an intentional headshot in my opinion.

Harrison gets no benefit of the doubt because of his history of dirty, cheap shots AND his statements this week. I didn't see his hits this week so I won't make a judgement on these particular hits, but he strikes me as a modern-day Jack Tatum...he'll try to hurt anyone in any way possible and not care.

Lotus 10-20-2010 10:31 AM

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[quote=Buster;750193][B]The Robinson hit on DeSean Jackson was clean...just a solid, hard hit that hurt an undersized guy.

I was watching the Pats/Ravens game when it happened on Heap...that was clearly an intentional headshot in my opinion.[/B]

Harrison gets no benefit of the doubt because of his history of dirty, cheap shots AND his statements this week. I didn't see his hits this week so I won't make a judgement on these particular hits, but he strikes me as a modern-day Jack Tatum...he'll try to hurt anyone in any way possible and not care.[/quote]

Agreed. Meriweather deserves a fine but Dunta Robinson got a raw deal.

firstdown 10-20-2010 10:37 AM

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[quote=jdlea;750165]That's not even correct.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb1CmHk9GK0&NR=1"]Meriweather hit on Heap[/URL]

If you watch that, Meriweather commits to that hit before Mayo hits Heap. Heap moves to Meriweather's left and his head comes down. That's the only reason that ends up being helmet to helmet. I think the intent on Meriweather's part was to put his shoulder/helmet somewhere around Heap's chest/ribs, but the hit from Mayo altered Heap and it ends up being helmet to helmet.

I, personally, don't like the rule because of hits like this. I think Meriweather was going to try to land a kill shot, but it ended up being infinitely worse than he intended because another player hit him a split-second earlier. That's not enough to adjust. Having the advantage of seeing things in super slow mo isn't anything these players can do. The game moves too fast for the NFL to suspend guys for hits like this.

I've honestly watched most of the big hits from this weekend (the 2 by Harrison, the Meriweather one, and the Robinson one) and I can make a case that they all could have been legal hits if not for split second events that made them look bad. Personally, I don't even believe the Robinson hit was at all dirty. His head ricochets into the helmet area of Jackson, but he initially buries it in his shoulder.[/quote]

Meriweather's hit is what they should flag because how he launched himself up towards Heaps head and lowered his head.

jdlea 10-20-2010 10:50 AM

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[quote=Buster;750193]The Robinson hit on DeSean Jackson was clean...just a solid, hard hit that hurt an undersized guy.

I was watching the Pats/Ravens game when it happened on Heap...that was clearly an intentional headshot in my opinion.

Harrison gets no benefit of the doubt because of his history of dirty, cheap shots AND his statements this week. I didn't see his hits this week so I won't make a judgement on these particular hits, but he strikes me as a modern-day Jack Tatum...he'll try to hurt anyone in any way possible and not care.[/quote]

I personally think the Cribbs hit was dirty, but the on Massaquoi ended up worse because he braced for the hit. On the Cribbs hit, he was going down and Harrison didn't need to do it, so I'd say that him going to helmet to helmet on that one was a dirty hit.

jdlea 10-20-2010 10:50 AM

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[quote=firstdown;750209]Meriweather's hit is what they should flag because how he launched himself up towards Heaps head and lowered his head.[/quote]

I'm aware of that, but I don't think they would have flagged it had he not made contact with Heap's head

firstdown 10-20-2010 11:06 AM

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[quote=aceinthehouse;750095]BTW...
Merriweather who had the head-to-head hit on heap where he actually was trying to hurt him and was flagged for it and knocked heap out of the game was fined $50,000.

Harrison who knocked out Cribbs in a legal and non-flagged devastating hit was fined $75,000
Nobody has been suspended at the moment.

You guys still love their interpretation now?
Told ya..[/quote]

I agree and not sure how they can call the Harrison hit illegal as the players had become a runner and you can tackle them with your head.

skinsfaninok 10-20-2010 11:14 AM

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b77d1c/article/steelers-lb-harrison-mulling-retirement-after-75k-fine-for-hit?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Steelers LB Harrison mulling retirement after $75K fine for hit[/url]

SBXVII 10-20-2010 01:30 PM

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Ok so I was wondering....

Since we keep hearing what defenders are not allowed to do, it might be easier if the NFL simply tells the defenders what they "are" allowed to do.

Also, I can see and agree with defenders being punished/suspended a game if they lead with their helmet on a helmet to helmet hit. Thats intentional, but what if the defender leads with his helmet to knock the ball out of the opponants hands and the opponant is falling to the ground and helmet to helmet is accidental?

Will offensive players get fined also for leading with their helmets? RB's especially do that when they know their about to hit by the defender.

What happens when the RB lowers his helmet to hit the defender and the defender in order to protect himself lowers his helmet and they hit helmet to helmet? who gets fined? only the defender? both? or just the player who ends up with out a concussion?

SBXVII 10-20-2010 01:38 PM

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[quote=jdlea;750165]That's not even correct.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb1CmHk9GK0&NR=1"]Meriweather hit on Heap[/URL]

If you watch that, Meriweather commits to that hit before Mayo hits Heap. Heap moves to Meriweather's left and his head comes down. That's the only reason that ends up being helmet to helmet. I think the intent on Meriweather's part was to put his shoulder/helmet somewhere around Heap's chest/ribs, but the hit from Mayo altered Heap and it ends up being helmet to helmet.

I, personally, don't like the rule because of hits like this. I think Meriweather was going to try to land a kill shot, but it ended up being infinitely worse than he intended because another player hit him a split-second earlier. That's not enough to adjust. Having the advantage of seeing things in super slow mo isn't anything these players can do. The game moves too fast for the NFL to suspend guys for hits like this.

I've honestly watched most of the big hits from this weekend (the 2 by Harrison, the Meriweather one, and the Robinson one) and I can make a case that they all could have been legal hits if not for split second events that made them look bad. Personally, I don't even believe the Robinson hit was at all dirty. His head ricochets into the helmet area of Jackson, but he initially buries it in his shoulder.[/quote]

Honestly I watched the video and thought it was not as bad as it ended up. Yeah it's helmet to helmet but I'm confused as to how the WR ended up with a concussion because it really didn't look like the hit was that hard. Helmets tap and WR goes to the ground.

Now look at the Desean Jackson hit. That to me was vicious but it looked like the shoulder hit not the helmet.

I think it goes back to this... if the players don't want to subject themselves to these type of hits they would get out of football and use their college degree. I find it funny that it's the NFL and who knows congress? that are trying to change the rules but the players themselves and owners are not. I have yet to hear a player get on tv and say we need to change the rules, or something needs to be done. All I keep hearing is "hey it's football, thats what we signed up for it could happen to any one of us."

saden1 10-20-2010 03:08 PM

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Rules are simple....don't hit another player on the head with your helmet and don't hit a defenseless receiver. These guys want to get on the highlight real instead of making solid tackles. Fck'em, suspend and fine them. And for all those whining about not being able to play football the way it is meant to be or thinking about quiting the game...the door is right there, the arena league would love to have you.

Heap hit is clearly obvious and so is the Harrison hit. Not sure about the Jackson hit but he was defenseless.

p.s. The NFL put a stop to the horse collar tackle a few years ago by [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3159063"]suspending Roy Williams [/URL]one game and I don't see anyone complaining about it anymore. This is no different and if you don't like it go f'ing watch UFC fights.

12thMan 10-20-2010 03:18 PM

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The way I understand it it's all about "intent" to hit with the helmet. I think there's a fine line between two large athletes running at full throttle, leading with the helmet and a violent collision that makes helmet contact first.

I hope the refs won't go to the extreme with this new ruling and penalize a player simply because he laid somone's ass out. It is still football.

skinsfaninok 10-20-2010 03:48 PM

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[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5706315]Schlereth Sounds Off - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

check this vid

SBXVII 10-20-2010 03:57 PM

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[quote=12thMan;750292]The way I understand it it's all about "intent" to hit with the helmet. I think there's a fine line between two large athletes running at full throttle, leading with the helmet and a violent collision that makes helmet contact first.

I hope the refs won't go to the extreme with this new ruling and penalize a player simply because he laid somone's ass out. It is still football.[/quote]

Yeah me either. Would the hit a year ago on Portis fall into the catagory?

Safety is one thing but to inact rules that keep defenders from doing their job is crazy. Can't touch the WR, can't hit WR, can't horse collar WR, soon to be can't try to take WR's legs out from under him. Hey why don't they just put flags on the WR's? every one else is fair game, but QB's and WR's will wear flags as in flag football. No hitting. Get the flag before the ball is thrown it's a sack. touch a flag prior to the WR catching the ball it's a foul. Grab it after and he's down where the flag was grabbed. ;)

Kope 10-20-2010 04:21 PM

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**** EDIT****

Deleted a big rant :) Just not a fan of the Protect the investment - I mean offensive player - at the expense of the game. Nothing to see here...move along.

saden1 10-20-2010 04:35 PM

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[quote=12thMan;750292]The way I understand it it's all about "intent" to hit with the helmet. I think there's a fine line between two large athletes running at full throttle, leading with the helmet and a violent collision that makes helmet contact first.

I hope the refs won't go to the extreme with this new ruling and penalize a player simply because he laid somone's ass out. It is still football.[/quote]

To me Intent just means "have they done this before and is it a habit?" If yes then it's clear they think it is OK to play recklessly and truly want to hurt someone. Last I checked the game is not about hurting the opposing team's players (even if they are Cowboys).

MTK 10-20-2010 04:42 PM

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Am I alone in thinking a lot of folks are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is?

Last week was a bad week as far as dangerous hits go, the NFL is making like they're dropping the hammer on this, but in reality once the dust settles they know that big hits are a part of the game. That's not going to change. They're just trying to reduce the potential for the major injuries... concussions, paralysis, etc. It's a hot button issue for the league right now and they have to at least put up the front that they are aware of it and trying to address it.

It's not going to become flag football. Yes hitting is a part of the game, but the league is right in being concerned about traumatic injuries.

Longtimefan 10-20-2010 06:08 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;749943]Who's "Soup"?

And, in my opinion, we got lucky on that Jarmon hit. It looked clearly like hlelmet to helmet to me. I think so long as you don't lead with your helmet you should be ok. Wrapping up is the more fundamental way to do it, but really it's the knock out shots that cause the turnovers. I think more is being made of this right now than will actually come out of it.[/quote]

It's the knock-out shots that gets these guys on the jacked-up replays. Players love it as long as they're not the ones getting jacked.

Swarley 10-20-2010 06:41 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;750319]Am I alone in thinking a lot of folks are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is?

Last week was a bad week as far as dangerous hits go, the NFL is making like they're dropping the hammer on this, but in reality once the dust settles they know that big hits are a part of the game. That's not going to change. They're just trying to reduce the potential for the major injuries... concussions, paralysis, etc. It's a hot button issue for the league right now and they have to at least put up the front that they are aware of it and trying to address it.

It's not going to become flag football. Yes hitting is a part of the game, but the league is right in being concerned about traumatic injuries.[/quote]

I'm with you. After reading this on the Redskins blog Ive realized we've pretty much seen this story play our before.

[quote=Redskins Blog]Back in November of 2007, two NFL players -- in two separate games -- were fined for helmet-to-helmet hits; the week prior, a young quarterback named Matt Schaub was concussed by a similar hit. The NFL reacted with shock and horror, the director of football operations said that the league would be paying special attention to shots against defenseless receivers, and officiating crews were told to eject players from the game for helmet-to-helmet hits.

Feel free to stop me when this sounds familiar.
[/quote]

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/]Redskins Blog -- The Official Blog of the Washington Redskins[/url]

MTK 10-21-2010 08:53 AM

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[quote=SBXVII;750274]Honestly I watched the video and thought it was not as bad as it ended up. [B]Yeah it's helmet to helmet but I'm confused as to how the WR ended up with a concussion because it really didn't look like the hit was that hard. Helmets tap and WR goes to the ground. [/B]

Now look at the Desean Jackson hit. That to me was vicious but it looked like the shoulder hit not the helmet.

I think it goes back to this... if the players don't want to subject themselves to these type of hits they would get out of football and use their college degree. I find it funny that it's the NFL and who knows congress? that are trying to change the rules but the players themselves and owners are not. I have yet to hear a player get on tv and say we need to change the rules, or something needs to be done. All I keep hearing is "hey it's football, thats what we signed up for it could happen to any one of us."[/quote]

You don't even need to get hit in the head to suffer a concussion. The violent whiplash motion of a big hit is enough to jar the brain against the inside of the skull.

MTK 10-21-2010 09:27 AM

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFkWTGKNLT8&feature=player_embedded#at=46]YouTube - Sport Science: NFL Concussions[/url]

Longtimefan 10-21-2010 10:23 AM

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IOTO there's a way to play the game where hard-hits can be just as inclusive as form tackling. However, what I do feel is reason for concern are the hits that appear to be blatant and administered with the intent to injure or maim. To hear a player say "It's not his intention to injure, but to hurt" creates a statement of intent difficult to decipher.

Now, I know the way the game is being played today differs greatly from the past, but consider when the protections players wore at one time would in no way suffice to adaquately protect them from the violence we see exhibited in todays game. Listening to players defend their actions on the way hits are applied now, basically saying they have no problem with it, I wonder what their stance would be if they were playing without the safeguards like their predecessors.

MTK 10-21-2010 12:42 PM

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[url=http://www.ajc.com/sports/harrison-returns-to-steelers-687130.html]Harrison returns to Steelers after cooling-off day | ajc.com[/url]

Shocker. Probably didn't take long to realize that walking away from a $50M contract wouldn't be the smartest thing in the world.

over the mountain 10-21-2010 01:11 PM

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[quote=firstdown;750209]Meriweather's hit is what they should flag because how he launched himself up towards Heaps head and lowered his head.[/quote]

yeah it is my understanding that you can not lead/launch leading with your helmet to a defenseless player. once a player establishes himself as a runner, hes fair game.

also, reading the exact words of another rule regarding the helmet to helmet hits, it doesnt matter if you hit a guy with your helmet in his chest initially, if your helmet then rides up and hits him in his helmet . . its helmet to helmet.

the merriweather hit was one that i think squarely falls into an illegal hit on 2 levels. it was helmet to helmet and he launched himself leading with his helmet into a defenseless receiver.

weve seen consussions happen on all types of hits. dallas clark got that concussion from a wrap up type tackle but his head did the slightest whiplash thing into the ground. that was a routine tackle in the nfl, clark still got concused. we cant even point nor can the skins coaching staff point to the hit that gave cooley a concussion.

also, i think the rise in reported concussions is def an attribute of team doctors become more aware of the signs of concussion as well as push to immediately pull players out and have them evaluated teh second a concussion is suspected.

Monkeydad 10-21-2010 03:07 PM

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[quote=jdlea;750216]I personally think the Cribbs hit was dirty, but the on Massaquoi ended up worse because he braced for the hit. On the Cribbs hit, he was going down and Harrison didn't need to do it, so I'd say that him going to helmet to helmet on that one was a dirty hit.[/quote]
So if MM had time to brace himself, it wasn't a hit on a "defenseless" player.

Not defending Harrison, but the only "illegal" hit I saw was the hit on Heap. The others just looked like football.

over the mountain 10-21-2010 03:17 PM

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from what i read, cribbs was the "qb" in wildcat so he is an established runner and it is legal to go helmet to helmet.

massaqoui (sp?) was a defenseless receiver so the helmet to helmet and leading with your helmet rule applies.

does anyone know the criteria for when a defenseless receiver turns into an established ball runner? is when he takes 2 steps on the field with possession of the ball? makes a "football" move?

i fear for some overreaction by the refs this week, then by seasons end things will be balanced back.

has any skin gotten a fine yet this year? i cant think of one

SmootSmack 10-21-2010 04:28 PM

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Video submitted by NFL to teams outlining what hits are legal, and which are not

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81b80962/Player-safety]NFL Videos: Player safety[/url]

Kindoy 10-21-2010 04:52 PM

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didn't read the whole thread but here's my view on the issue:

Player safety should always be first. we can say the league is getting watered down, but back then nobody knew any better. we know now that these concussions are causing life long injuries down the road.

i dont know that suspensions are in the best interest of the game however. i dont want Laron thinking twice about putting Hester on his ass this weekend. I truly believe these head to head hits are not intentional, as the decision to hit someone and how is made in less than a second. besides, if i wanted to take someone out i would go at their knees... head to head injuries put both parties at risk, not just the guy on the receiving end.

concussions are nearly unstoppable... it doesnt matter where you're hit. players are always trying to hit someone as hard as they can, and instead of telling them "dont do this or else" the NFL should be looking for better technology to protect these players when it does happen. i think the best solution for the game overall is better helmet technology (better padding on the inside, etc.) not a green sticker and not suspensions or fines.

saden1 10-21-2010 05:39 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;750556]Video submitted by NFL to teams outlining what hits are legal, and which are not

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81b80962/Player-safety]NFL Videos: Player safety[/url][/quote]


Excellent video.

mlmdub130 10-21-2010 06:29 PM

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i'm with matty on this one, i'm sure the nfl is just gettin their panties in a wad because there were some many bit hits and concussions all in one day. we will just have to see how it really is inforced this weekend. that said my biggest issue with what the nfl is trying to do is that it is all about the defense and safeties and lb's hitting people helet to helmet, but what about the offense. lavar was talkin about it today and he got pretty worked up but he brought up some really good points imo

1. a receiver isn't defenseless unless they themselves or their qb put them in that position. i mean when a receiver runs a cross route and the qb throws the ball the receiver has a choice to go up and get it or not. just ask tood pinkston, and desean jackson for that matter, anyone see his alligator arms at the end of the philly game when he was about to get pwned by laron?

2. what about when a rb truck sticks a db? like when landry got pwned. by the nfl rule that was an illegal hit because he struck him in the head with his forearm

my biggest beef is that the nfl doesn't really care that much about player safety, but they are concerned with high scoring games and an 18 game season, but i guess we'll see this weekend when fat al busts cutler up.

SirClintonPortis 10-21-2010 06:32 PM

Re: NFL Might Suspend Players for Violent Hits
 
Don't forget that Portis was sandwich hit last year on MNF. Was there an Uproar over his Concussion?

I saw Birds chirping.

over the mountain 10-22-2010 09:50 AM

Re: NFL Might Suspend Players for Violent Hits
 
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2. what about when a rb truck sticks a db? like when landry got pwned. by the nfl rule that was an illegal hit because he struck him in the head with his forearm

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to my understanding, this rule only applies to defenseless players (receivers attempting to make a catch or what i just learned from the video, a punter running down the field on coverage).

landry could have gone helmet to helmet, forearm to helmet or shoulder to helmet on jacobs and vice versa.

when a player is an established runner, you can hit him in his head.

MTK 10-22-2010 10:05 AM

Re: NFL Might Suspend Players for Violent Hits
 
A RB is fair game, he's not defenseless when he's coming through the line, head down ready to strike.


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