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Not ready to give up on him yet. Mid season kicking changes rarely produce better results. The skins need to develop a long term kicker and stop the revolving door, they should give this kid the season to see if he can be that guy. At least his kickoffs are good which is important also.

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Keep him, besides who are you going to bring in? The ones that are available are so for a reason.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;752189]How many games has this guy played here? 8 maybe 9?
Can we at least give the guy a full season,before cutting him please?

We got rid of Akers and look how his career turned out?
Ask Cowboy fans how they feel about cutting the young Nick Folk,who's now 13/15 on the 5-1 Jets)?
How did the saints do,when they replaced Hartley for 1 game? Didn't work out...luckily for them,he wasn't cut,as he too would have been scooped up and gone!

The only game where you can actually blame him for the Loss,is the texans game in the 30-27 OT loss. And he originally [B]MADE THE KICK[/B] from 52 yards. Only to be iced...

I don't know..maybe give the guy a full freakin' season,before cutting him maybe?
He's made big kicks in the G.B. game
Eagles game
Colts game
and the winner for the bears game...

Way too fickle guys...way too fickle...[/quote]I totally agree. Gano is the most talented young kicker we've had since Chip Lohmiller, whom I recall lost games with big kicks as a rookie. I say ride out his growing pains, and we just might be rewarded with years of solid kicking. He's certainly the best that we've had on kickoffs in years. Don't forget the long kick he made at the end of the Dallas game. People act as if he's choking on every clutch kick, and that is certainly not the case.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;752189]How many games has this guy played here? 8 maybe 9?
Can we at least give the guy a full season,before cutting him please?

We got rid of Akers and look how his career turned out?
Ask Cowboy fans how they feel about cutting the young Nick Folk,who's now 13/15 on the 5-1 Jets)?
How did the saints do,when they replaced Hartley for 1 game? Didn't work out...luckily for them,he wasn't cut,as he too would have been scooped up and gone!

The only game where you can actually blame him for the Loss,is the texans game in the 30-27 OT loss. And he originally [B]MADE THE KICK[/B] from 52 yards. Only to be iced...

I don't know..maybe give the guy a full freakin' season,before cutting him maybe?
He's made big kicks in the G.B. game
Eagles game
Colts game
and the winner for the bears game...

Way too fickle guys...way too fickle...[/quote]

Sorry but if he made the kick we would have won. He kicked a ball through the goal but he DID NOT MAKE THE KICK.

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I'm not going to say that this is the worst thread started (though it would be if we didn't have other knee jerk goofy people posting here) or that it is from the least informed "fan" (we still have the Landry is a bust folks). However, his 75% puts him in good company historically.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fg_perc_active.htm]NFL Active Field Goal % Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Of course, nobody is Gary Anderson (who's only miss all season allowed his team to stay home instead of winning the NFC championship).

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Give the kid a break.

At least he is not an overpaid crybaby not preforming. He is a rookie kicker with a beast foot, he will get better with experience.

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The kick he missed against the bears that went boink did not and would not have cost us the game and here's why

If he makes the kick,we are up 6 and a td beats us anyways by 1 pt,if the bears score a TD.

If the bears drive down the field and tie the game up 17 all..then we go into OT and [B]THAT[/B] kick if he gets another shot in OT would decide the game.

The only kick he missed that decided the game,was the Texans miss.

Do you guys remember Suisham?
Seattle ring a bell?
Seattle again ring a bell?

[B]HE[/B] should have been cut immediately but was not...(under old administration)

The kid doesn't even have a full 16 game season for evaluation...Lets ride this one out with the kid for now please!

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During the FG miss:
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lol pretty much every fan reaction too I'm sure

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1. He kicks in a stadium where all kickers only average 67% FGP.

2. He missed a kick in Chicago where the wind swirls and its not like he was wide left, wide right or worse...short.

3. Ever since we left RFK we have not had a so called automatic guy, funny how we did cut [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Akers"]This_guy[/URL] and he went on to become one of the better kickers in the league.

I am not going to place all the blame on Gano when most kickers suck when they play here.

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It was all part of Gano's motivational techniques. He knew that if we were up by 6 our D would defend against a TD and would almost blow it (ie the dallas game), but if he missed and we were up by only three the D would play lights out and shut them down.

All hail Graham Gano, master of motivitational misses!!!

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He is still better than the worst redskins kicker of all time, John Hall. John Hall was absolutley worse than Suishit or anybody else we ever had.

Watching games in 2006, when you'd have a 30 yard attempt, you'd automatically know that Hall would blow it. He was that bad.

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Hall had leg issues at the end that derailed him. I would take a healthy Hall over Suisham any day.

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Yeah, Hall was one of the better kickers in the league when we got him from the Jets. Also, a beast of a tackler.

Like Matty said...his leg fell off when he wore our colors...and it was ugly to watch.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;751755]Word.

However, I think we should consider whether the holder is screwing things up as well.[/quote]

I'm late to this party but could it be the Center as well? Under the Red Snapper it seemed like all the balls were sent to the holder perfectly. This year I've seen more balls that look like they are skidding along the ground or sent a little high forcing the holder to get the ball down slightly late which throws off the kicker.

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[quote=Buster;752668]Yeah, Hall was one of the better kickers in the league when we got him from the Jets. Also, a beast of a tackler.

Like Matty said...his leg fell off when he wore our colors...and it was ugly to watch.[/quote]

I only remembered hall from that horrible 06 season.

Looking him up, he was signed to a 5 year contract in 2003. He was injured 4 times in 2004, once in 2005, and twice in 2006 and put on injured reserve, ending his career.

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In '06 Hall was 9/11 in 5 games... how was that horrible?

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[quote=SBXVII;752688]I'm late to this party but could it be the Center as well? Under the Red Snapper it seemed like all the balls were sent to the holder perfectly. This year I've seen more balls that look like they are skidding along the ground or sent a little high forcing the holder to get the ball down slightly late which throws off the kicker.[/quote]

Sunberg is definitely causing confusion and delay.

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[quote=Mattyk;752719]In '06 Hall was 9/11 in 5 games... how was that horrible?[/quote]

I was referring to the season as a whole. Not Hall specifically.

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Jason Reid just posted this:

Graham Gano is 31st in the NFL on field goals

Redskins place kicker Graham Gano ranks only 31st in the league in field goals made, with a 72.2 percentage. He has converted all 13 of his point-after attempts.

The strong-legged kicker has 50-plus-yard range on field-goal attempts, but he has struggled at times in his first full season in the NFL.

in Week 2, Houston Coach Gary Kubiak successfully iced Gano in Washington's 30-27 loss in overtime at FedEx Field, calling a timeout before Gano missed a potential game-winning 52-yard kick. In the fourth quarter of Sunday's 17-14 victory over Chicago, Gano missed a 37-yard field-goal attempt that would have extended Washington's lead to six points, sending the ball off the left upright.

Gano said he struck the ball well but the wind at Soldier Field didn't cooperate.

"I think he said it best, that he probably wishes he played the wind a little bit more," Coach Mike Shanahan said. "The wind was blowing pretty consistently and it hit the upright. That is football. I got a lot of confidence in him."

Gano is talented and he's a hard-working kid, special teams coordinator Danny Smith tells me. That's good enough for me.

But despite having the support of Shanahan and Smith, Gano probably needs to finish the first half with a good performance against Detroit at Ford Field. With Washington beginning its bye week after that game, it would not be surprising, if Gano struggles against the Lions, to see a place-kicking tryout at Redskins Park during the team's time off.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;752634]He is still better than the worst redskins kicker of all time, John Hall. John Hall was absolutley worse than Suishit or anybody else we ever had.

Watching games in 2006, when you'd have a 30 yard attempt, you'd automatically know that Hall would blow it. He was that bad.[/quote]

Boy SS, I'll be honest, when I read this post I cannot see a single connection between what you wrote and what you were referring to below. :confused:

That'd be like me saying DeAngelo Hall is the worst corner of all time, then trying to imply what I'm saying is that the Redskins are having a bad season.

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I dont see anything wrong or incorrect with what J.Reid is saying.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;751789]Guys..need to remember
He's still basically a rookie..
He did play at the end of last season as an official rookie,but I like him.

Yes,he's missed his share of kicks,but he's also hit some big ones too.
I actually think he's opposite of Squeezim'...

He misses the kicks that are not killers...and makes the clutch kicks...

Like today...he made the clutch 45 yarder to go up 17-14,but missed his 2nd try after a doink...but really,he was not a killer because if they kick a fg...we are in OT

If they score a TD..we lose anyway by 1

Remember...he made the big kick against the Texcans from 52...then was iced..that's no gimme

He makes the big kick against greenbay to win

No way would i dump a young kicker GUYS!! NO way!

We had a kicker on this squad a few years a go that missed his share of kicks as well..

By the name of David Akers..

No way do I give up on this young kid!
Were 4-3...enjoy it
go smoke a bowl or something[/quote]

Second this motion!

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Tell you what.... locate a kicker who's better then Gano, send him to Redskins Park, and have him try out for the Skins. He/She does better and Gano is replaced all us fans will look at you like a demi god. Maybe.

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Come on now, all of us were singing his praises a few weeks ago. Let the guy finish the season and then start a dump Gano thread if he truly sucks. Our offensive woes have a lot more to do with things not pertaining to Gano. But I think we should try and draft a K soon, preferably one that has a knack for making the clutch kicks. Thing is there isn't too many to choose from every year.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;752828]Come on now, all of us were singing his praises a few weeks ago. Let the guy finish the season and then start a dump Gano thread if he truly sucks. Our offensive woes have a lot more to do with things not pertaining to Gano. But I think we should try and draft a K soon, preferably one that has a knack for making the clutch kicks. Thing is there isn't too many to choose from every year.[/quote]

That's not always the solution, I mean we all thought Durant Brooks was the second coming of Ray Guy until we saw that he sucked something awful in games. Lets just give Gano a chance. It was hardly ideal conditions in Chicago.

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Gano will be just fine. People forget about some of the big kicks that he has made , including the FGs to tie and beat Green Bay. Who have we had better on kickoffs in the last decade, with the possible exception of John Hall before he hurt his leg? Gano will eventually be an above average kicker for a long time in this league. Hopefully Shanny will be patient enough to let it happen here, because I could see him becoming another David Akers for someone else if we cut him.

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People also forget that even the best Kickers on other teams are missing easy kicks.

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[quote=mooby;752778]Boy SS, I'll be honest, when I read this post I cannot see a single connection between what you wrote and what you were referring to below. :confused:

That'd be like me saying DeAngelo Hall is the worst corner of all time, then trying to imply what I'm saying is that the Redskins are having a bad season.[/quote]

I was unaware of Hall's history of leg injuries prior to researching him, which is when i posted it. Hall had major injuries that really affected him during his time here. he was not as horrible as I implied.

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Gano won't stuggle in Detroit, because its a dome. I would hate to be Robbie Gould and have to kick in Chicago 8 times a year. These dome kickers have it made.

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[quote=scowan;752920]Gano won't stuggle in Detroit, because its a dome. I would hate to be Robbie Gould and have to kick in Chicago 8 times a year. These dome kickers have it made.[/quote]

Or a kicker for Green Bay. Probably feels like kicking a cinder block.

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Totally agree.

[quote=SouperMeister;752197]I totally agree. Gano is the most talented young kicker we've had since Chip Lohmiller, whom I recall lost games with big kicks as a rookie. I say ride out his growing pains, and we just might be rewarded with years of solid kicking. He's certainly the best that we've had on kickoffs in years. Don't forget the long kick he made at the end of the Dallas game. People act as if he's choking on every clutch kick, and that is certainly not the case.[/quote]

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I totally agree that we should KEEP him. He is young, has a great leg, has made great kicks, and again, HE IS YOUNG! I love his kickoffs as well. I think accuracy will come with maturity.

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[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2010 SPECIAL TEAMS RATINGS[/url]

Can't underestimate the role of kick coverage in this rating, but only Atlanta, Baltimore, and Seattle have even 50% of our kickoff unit value. A lot of that is power and directional accuracy from Gano.

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i honestly can't believe all the Gano lovers on here. The fact is there is one kicker statistically worse than him. So, how much worse could it possibly get. Fact is, he is missing some pretty damn improtant field goals. Not just this year either, he missed a few important ones last year. One that comes to mind was the Cowboys game that would have won the game. He hasn't shown me anything on a consistant basis worth of giving him a pass. It isn't like the kid misses from just 45 and over. He misses from any distance. What was it last week...35, 37 yards?? Come on, that should be freaking automatic. that isn't the first one he has missed from that range either. The only reason all these lovers are here is because we haven't lost the games (except Texans) where the field goals mattered. Those ones he has missed (chicago, green bay, dallas) if we lose those games his kicks would have made all the difference. I am sorry, i was a Gano fan because the kid has a leg, no doubt. But I will take a guy that can bang 40-43 yards in on a consistant basis than a guy that "could" be good, and has a leg to make from 50+ easlily. I am tired of the freaking revolving door of kickers at Redskin park. We can never find a guy that is any good. I would be bringing someone in and giving them a chance. We have 9 games left, and all but one has come down to the last minute, and withing 3 to 5 points. Field goal kicking is brutally important and we are suffering in that part of the game.

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Suisham missed those kicks last year, Gano came in at the end and was 4 of 4.

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[quote=#56fanatic;753504]i honestly can't believe all the Gano lovers on here. The fact is there is one kicker statistically worse than him. So, how much worse could it possibly get. Fact is, he is missing some pretty damn improtant field goals. Not just this year either, he missed a few important ones last year. One that comes to mind was the Cowboys game that would have won the game. He hasn't shown me anything on a consistant basis worth of giving him a pass. It isn't like the kid misses from just 45 and over. He misses from any distance. What was it last week...35, 37 yards?? Come on, that should be freaking automatic. that isn't the first one he has missed from that range either. The only reason all these lovers are here is because we haven't lost the games (except Texans) where the field goals mattered. Those ones he has missed (chicago, green bay, dallas) if we lose those games his kicks would have made all the difference. I am sorry, i was a Gano fan because the kid has a leg, no doubt. But I will take a guy that can bang 40-43 yards in on a consistant basis than a guy that "could" be good, and has a leg to make from 50+ easlily. I am tired of the freaking revolving door of kickers at Redskin park. We can never find a guy that is any good. I would be bringing someone in and giving them a chance. We have 9 games left, and all but one has come down to the last minute, and withing 3 to 5 points. Field goal kicking is brutally important and we are suffering in that part of the game.[/quote]
The way I look at it is Gano is 50-50, when the game is on the linne. Siusham was 100% miss in those situations, so I am willing to give Gano the chance to get better.

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I love it when people are tired of the revolving door at kicker, yet they want to bring in someone else. Go figure. How about giving Gano a fair shot to develop?

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[quote=Mattyk;753515]I love it when people are tired of the revolving door at kicker, yet they want to bring in someone else. Go figure. How about giving Gano a fair shot to develop?[/quote]

I think the sentament would be different if we had lost the games this year. You can't honestly think it would be the same. the revolving door i am tired of is the inadequate kickers we have had here for the last how ever many years. the fact remains he is the worst kicker in the league, how could it get worse if we gave someone a look. With the way we play we need a reliable kicker and he just isn't AT ALL. Wait until all these close games go the other way, where his missed kicks are costing us the games, then lets see how much you want to "develop" him. You and everyone else will be saying he has to go. WIth the win now attitude, we aren't going to keep a kicker around that is costing us games.

hopefully i am wrong and he'll work out for years to come. But haven't seen any improvement from last year to this year.