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[quote=SportsFanatic;754406]Whoever the 3rd string is if it's not Mcnabb[/quote]

:doh:

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I am upset that McNabb through into triple coverage; it was foolish when the offense didn't have to do anything there since the 'skins were winning. But, He was beating into a pulp. The decision to bring Gross in was a terrible idea. We were in a position to win the game with a touchdown.

Why let someone play 58 minutes if you don't think they are your best option to score a touchdown when you need it?

Regardless, I give Mike Shanahhan 5 years before you hear a peep out of me about a bad decision. I'm tired of a coach making a bad choice or play and we tear them a part and want them fired. I think this was a terrible mistake, but McNabb and Shan together for three years is the way we are going to build a team.

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[quote=Bushead;754414]I am upset that McNabb through into triple coverage; it was foolish when the offense didn't have to do anything there since the 'skins were winning. But, He was beating into a pulp. The decision to bring Gross in was a terrible idea. We were in a position to win the game with a touchdown.

Why let someone play 58 minutes if you don't think they are your best option to score a touchdown when you need it?

Regardless, I give Mike Shanahhan 5 years before you hear a peep out of me about a bad decision. I'm tired of a coach making a bad choice or play and we tear them a part and want them fired. I think this was a terrible mistake, but McNabb and Shan together for three years is the way we are going to build a team.[/quote]


I can't believe the wisdom of Mike Shanahan is being challenged already. We're only half way through the season and if I've been listening correctly, this is not what I expected this soon. I ask myself the question, why would McNabb want to resign with the Redskins?

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The game been off more than a hour and i'm still hot as fish grease

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[quote=SportsFanatic;754421]The game been off more than a hour and i'm still hot as fish grease[/quote]

THANKFULLY........I was unable to watch it

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/31/redskins-say-mcnabb-is-still-the-starter/]Redskins say McNabb is still the starter | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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McNabb was on his ass for half the game and the other half he was inaccurate or throwing into triple coverage. I saw nothing wrong with giving Grossman a shot myself. The o-line's play was awful and McNabb's play during the first 58 minutes was less than inspiring to say the least. I saw nothing to make me think either would improve during the last 2 minutes. I'm not a big fan of Rex but he could have possibly given us a much needed spark that McNabb seemed incapable of providing.

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McNabb wasn't the sole reason for the loss, but it is very concerning that he doesn't seem to possess the ability right now to lead us to a game-winning TD or game-tying FG (Indy game) when we need him to. Also, it's not a good sign that Matthew Stafford outplayed No. 5, even when you take into account our O-line's putrid performance. McNabb's killer INT and near-Pick 6 were plays I'd expect from a second-year guy coming off a major injury not McNabb. All this said, he is the starter without question.

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McNabb needs to go to the bench. He simply misses too many routine throws. And for the big plays that he hits there are 3-4 that should've been made but weren't. They need to put in Rex and let's see what he can do. After 8 weeks I've seen enough.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;754354]The O-Line was so pathetic it didnt matter who the QB was.
Do you even watch the game?[/quote]

Agreed, but you might want to change your sig. Haynesworth has been one of the bright spots on the team.

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It's one game, the OL got straight up dominated by the DL of the lines, we couldn't stop a thing. Suh is an absolute monster and there are very few lines that could contain him all game and we matched him up with Rabach and Lichtensteiger, we weren't going to come out ahead.

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[quote=SportsFanatic;754328]The mcnabb of 2004/05 would found a way to seal the win for his team but it's been evident since the beginning of the month that he is no longer the player he used to be. Too many interceptions and he is not throwing as many TD passes. He has been bailed out by the defense in the Eagles Game, Packers Game, and the Bears game. I wasn't expcting to be benched with the team only down 6 for Rex Grossman but he is clearly not the same guy. This team is damm lucky to be 4-4 because they could easily be 2-6.[/quote]

Iv'e been a skins fan since 74' but coming from Syracuse, I've always been a McNabb fan, probably longer than some of you have been Skins fans. There is no reason to be upset with his performance today. He is the same McNabb he always was. He gets really hot and really cold. He can not play under pressure and comes off a winning week overconfient.

Why do you all think Egirls finally dumped him. McNabb is not going to take us there. It's nice to have him on board but we need to develop our own young QB of the future. Otherwise we may end up with a SB quality team in the near future with no QB.

Starting McNabb is Vinny type mentallity. We need to develop a young QB.

IMO.

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Donovan isn't getting benched for good. He had a rough day and Shanny put in Rex to try and start a spark. It obviously didn't work out. This team is still a work in progress and probably will be for another 2-3 seasons til the right pieces are put in place. That is why I am second guessing the acquisition of Donovan. He is obviously worthless(any Qb would be) with a crappy o line and the accompanying non existent ground game, so it sort of defeats the purpose of acquiring him in the first place. Those picks could have been spent on two linemen or a lineman and a WR, or even a decent LB or CB.

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[quote=SportsFanatic;754328]The mcnabb of 2004/05 would found a way to seal the win for his team but it's been evident since the beginning of the month that he is no longer the player he used to be. Too many interceptions and he is not throwing as many TD passes. He has been bailed out by the defense in the Eagles Game, Packers Game, and the Bears game. I wasn't expcting to be benched with the team only down 6 for Rex Grossman but he is clearly not the same guy. This team is damm lucky to be 4-4 because they could easily be 2-6.[/quote]

LOL...really? was Dmac the reason for the oline penalties, the poor defensive play as a unit, daniels offsides on a 4th and 1....o and was he also responsible for number 61 casey rabach? who for some reason is still the center and despite playing like crap for as long as i remember... still here?....nope

I hear what your saying about mcnabb's poor play but on the year i think he has done more good than harm, at least with him in there, there's hope of a comeback or positive play....we could trade for brady or p manning after all the reason their teams win isnt because of oline talent, or being comfortable in their offense...its because THEY CARRY THEIR TEAMS RIGHT?????

this Mcnabb bashing is so old....maybe we should get Campbell back i'm sure he'd look good in pro bowl blue..... its obviously our qb (LMFAO)

i think everyone needs to come to grips with the fact that no matter what happens with the star positions in football games are won or LOST in the trenches. at best Mcnabbs a tertiary problem

...kinda started ranting my bad..lol :insane:

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Probably TW's worst game today, and our running game would have been better if we weren't down to our third stringer

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[quote=44ever;754449]
Why do you all think Egirls finally dumped him. McNabb is not going to take us there. It's nice to have him on board but we need to develop our own young QB of the future. Otherwise we may end up with a SB quality team in the near future with no QB.
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You hit the nail on the head about needing to develop a young QB of our own (like Stafford). We need to draft a QB early in next year's draft and let McNabb mentor him.

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The Oline sucks, something [I]any[/I] good QB could overcome, or so we argued on Warpath. All. Last. Year. Enter Messiah McNabb and all his leadership skills, experience, and energy he brought from Philly. He even invited guys over for BBQ, all Washingtonian warm & fuzzy like. Cooley couldn't crawl up his ass far enough; in a few pressers, even sold out his buddy JC in the process. Fail. Time to blow up this team and start anew.

Glad I didn't drop a c-note+ McNabb's jersey. You?

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McNabb is also the reason we have won or been competitive in all games with the exception of the Rams game.

Our problem is not McNabb but the same ole issue we have had the last several years, Oline. We need some talent in there.

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Can you imagine what the game would have been like if we had traded Phat Al to Detroit!!! Chaos!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;754454]Probably TW's worst game today, and our running game would have been better if we weren't down to our third stringer[/quote]

I agree about TW. Hard to get on the rookie, because he's been so solid for us this year so far.

The one person I will get on, though is Rabach. Get this guy out of town. Since 2007, he's been a huge weak link on this offensive line. He spent so much time in the Redskins backfield it made me sick. I really hope to have two new guards and a center in 2011.

Free Agency 2011
 

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This thread is absolutely retarded. Doesn't matter what qb is under center, when you have a crappy offensive line anybody will be play like McNabb today. Even on plays where he didn't get sacked, it hurts. When you can't trust the line in front of you, your timing is off, you think too much and your play slows down, and it's evidenced just like it was today.

Not only is McNabb going to be our qb against the Eagles, but he will be against every opponent for the rest of the season most likely. Mainly because he gives us the best chance to win. Beyond this season is when the real questions will emerge, especially if McNabb doesn't impress.

I mean did anybody watch Rabach get repeatedly blown up against the Lions? He's consistently bad, he gets dominated by stronger defensive tackles and Hicks/Lichtensteiger aren't anything special either. We need a new interior offensive line.

You can keep blaming the qb all you want, no matter what season it is, but eventually people need to recognize the offensive line is ****ing our shit up.

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The O-line is a shitshow (Casey Rabach is officially my least favorite player), we only have two starting pass catchers even worthy of an NFL roster, and we were with a 3rd string UDFA RB for a large part of the game. There's really nothing redeemable about our offense at all.

McNabb certainly wasn't any part of a solution today, but he was far from the biggest problem. However if Grossman is better at the 2 minute offense and understands the offense better overall... now that's a BIG issue in my mind.

Maybe there's more than meets the eye as far as how long McNabb's extension is taking....

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[quote=GusFrerotte;754450]Donovan isn't getting benched for good. He had a rough day and Shanny put in Rex to try and start a spark. It obviously didn't work out. This team is still a work in progress and probably will be for another 2-3 seasons til the right pieces are put in place. That is why I am second guessing the acquisition of Donovan. He is obviously worthless(any Qb would be) with a crappy o line and the accompanying non existent ground game, so it sort of defeats the purpose of acquiring him in the first place. [B]Those picks could have been spent on two linemen or a lineman [/B]and a WR, or even a decent LB or CB.[/quote]

Exactly. Could not agree with you more. The problem is you don't bring in Shanahan for a rebuilding project. IMO..and I've said this before, we should've just done what Tampa Bay is doing. Instead we've got the oldest team in the NFL that is probably going to win 6-8 games, 9 if we're lucky.

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[quote=mooby;754469]This thread is absolutely retarded. Doesn't matter what qb is under center, when you have a crappy offensive line anybody will be play like McNabb today. Even on plays where he didn't get sacked, it hurts. When you can't trust the line in front of you, your timing is off, you think too much and your play slows down, and it's evidenced just like it was today.

Not only is McNabb going to be our qb against the Eagles, but he will be against every opponent for the rest of the season most likely. Mainly because he gives us the best chance to win. Beyond this season is when the real questions will emerge, especially if McNabb doesn't impress.

I mean did anybody watch Rabach get repeatedly blown up against the Lions? He's consistently bad, he gets dominated by stronger defensive tackles and Hicks/Lichtensteiger aren't anything special either. We need a new interior offensive line.

You can keep blaming the qb all you want, no matter what season it is, but eventually people need to recognize the offensive line is ****ing our shit up.[/quote]


That INT was still the reason they lost the game. Yes the O-line is crappy but that INT was the deal breaker

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[quote=GMScud;754470]The O-line is a shitshow (Casey Rabach is officially my least favorite player), we only have two starting pass catchers even worthy of an NFL roster, and we were with a 3rd string UDFA RB for a large part of the game. There's really nothing redeemable about our offense at all.

McNabb certainly wasn't any part of a solution today, but he was far from the biggest problem. However if Grossman is better at the 2 minute offense and understands the offense better overall... now that's a BIG issue in my mind.

Maybe there's more than meets the eye as far as how long McNabb's extension is taking....[/quote]

I hear what you're sayin' .. but when McNabb has time he misses guys, or throws late or throws into double, triple coverage. He's just not comfortable in this offense yet and that's why they need to go with Grossman.

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[quote=GMScud;754470][B]The O-line is a shitshow (Casey Rabach is officially my least favorite player)[/B], we only have two starting pass catchers even worthy of an NFL roster, and we were with a 3rd string UDFA RB for a large part of the game. There's really nothing redeemable about our offense at all.

McNabb certainly wasn't any part of a solution today, but he was far from the biggest problem. However if Grossman is better at the 2 minute offense and understands the offense better overall... now that's a BIG issue in my mind.

Maybe there's more than meets the eye as far as how long McNabb's extension is taking....[/quote]

How Rabach and Heyer are starters in the NFL is absolutely beyond my comprehension. Both of these blowhards should've been released last season. All they do is screw it up week in and week out.

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Even after McNabbs interception there was still plenty of time left in the game. The fumble was brutal

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I don't know why people are calling for McNabb's head either. I mean geez, why not just throw Beck in there to QB while we're at it? :doh: Come on man, we're worlds better with McNabb at the helm than we were with Campbell. If anyone deserves their heads on a platter, its the O-line. They freaking stink. Where the hell is Bugel when we need him?

I guess there's just no pleasing some people.

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Not sure what Bugel would do that he didn't last year

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[quote=DynamiteRave;754479]I don't know why people are calling for McNabb's head either. I mean geez, why not just throw Beck in there to QB while we're at it? :doh: Come on man, we're worlds better with McNabb at the helm than we were with Campbell. If anyone deserves their heads on a platter, its the O-line. They freaking stink. [SIZE=4]Where the hell is Bugel when we need him?[/SIZE]

I guess there's just no pleasing some people.[/quote]

Always the voice of reason when Apocalypse threatens.........

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[quote=skinsfan69;754437]McNabb needs to go to the bench. He simply misses too many routine throws. And for the big plays that he hits there are 3-4 that should've been made but weren't. They need to put in Rex and let's see what he can do. After 8 weeks I've seen enough.[/quote]

Didn't you make a comment last week that we didn't have anyone better?

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Some of the blame has to go to Kyle S. He's needed to go with max protection way earlier than he did.

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[quote=skinsfan69;754476]I hear what you're sayin' .. but when McNabb has time he misses guys, or throws late or throws into double, triple coverage. He's just not comfortable in this offense yet and that's why they need to go with Grossman.[/quote]

Quarterback pressure is mental as much as it is physical. When you get hit or sacked on that many plays, you lose confidence in the ability of the line to protect you, and it affects decision making and comfort in the pocket. McNabb looked shaky today because he was always expecting to be laid out, and it clearly affected his game. Does he look like this every week? No. Would grossman somehow have been able to ignore the mental stress that comes with getting destroyed all day long? No.

I don't know how you can say rex gives the skins a better chance to win... that's just simply untrue.

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I wonder if Dockery could play C or RG? I hate to see him being wasted on the bench.

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[quote=SmootSmack;754382]Not really words of encouragement for McNabb when Shanahan says Grossman understands the offense better, is better In the 2 minute and gave the team a better chance to win. Still think McNabb starts though[/quote]

I think it was a desperation move to the bullpen just looking for a spark, and perhaps to light a fire under DM's ass, still doesn't make much sense to me though. McNabb is still clearly the best QB on the roster, gotta live and die with him.

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Stupid thread. As I've always maintained on this board, consistently good teams win in the trenches, and this O-line is only marginally better than last year. Jamaal Brown has been a major disappointment, the Shanahans have it in their heads that Lichtensteiger can compete against superior competition when all evidence is to the contrary, and Rabach's best days are long past. This offense will NEVER be consistent until we upgrade across the ENTIRE line. Trent Williams was a great first step, but we need significant upgrades at every other position on the line IMO. Tom Brady would struggle behind this line every bit as much as McNabb, and that's a fact.

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The OL got blown the F up today.

Blaming McNabb is just so nearsighted it's not even funny. Yeah his play was certainly a factor to a degree, the INT certainly didn't help, but the shotty OL play is what we should be focusing on.

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After todays performance, you may see him coming out of the bye??

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[quote=Mattyk;754488]I think it was a desperation move to the bullpen just looking for a spark, and perhaps to light a fire under DM's ass, still doesn't make much sense to me though. McNabb is still clearly the best QB on the roster, gotta live and die with him.[/quote]

When the Eagles benched him, he came back really strong. I agree with some others that the O-line needs some "tuning" Can't expect DM to do it all.